You Need To Know What Microsoft Is Doing! Don't Take It, It's Monopoly!

[misterjarhead]

I can't even believe it. Microsoft is trying to monopolize the software industry too. It's insane. I'm sure all of you have heard of palladium by now, it's ridiculous. We can't let this happen, it's not right. It's like Big Brother, it's a police state. I urge all of you to go to the following site to read more information on what may happen within the next year or two years. This is critical information, read! INFO ON PALLADIUM (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html) :mad:

[pixiefied]

spam spam spam spam spam spam spam

[White Raven]

Okay... It took you THIS LONG to realize that Microsoft's trying to monopolize the computing/business industry!?

What rock have you been under? :D

Meh,
Gabbi

[misterjarhead]

Believe me, I've know, lol. It's just purely insane what the hell they are trying to do now. I've know about palladium for about 6 months now, and I've been doing some heavy research. They are crazy fools if they think pc users are going to fall for this. I've been looking for a good excuse to turn to mac.

[Fickle]

Sure - unless your system administrator configures your machine in such a way that TCPA is mandatory, you can always turn it off. You can then run your PC with administrator privileges, and use insecure applications.


Hey, remember 1984 with the TV that couldn't be turned off that essencially spied on you at all times.


BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU.


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I think this is a wad of BS that will be hit pretty hard by the public.

[misterjarhead]

Here, I found another link. Read all about the lunatic in charge of passing these bills to congress, http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/03/29/hollings_bill/

[White Raven]

What if it's just some big elaborate hoax to check the reaction of the public and see just how dependent everyone actually is on Microsoft? :weird:

[misterjarhead]

Originally posted by White_Raven
What if it's just some big elaborate hoax to check the reaction of the public and see just how dependent everyone actually is on Microsoft? :weird:

I wish you were right, but I think consumer loyalty is about to be put to the ultimate test. I for one am not going to even bother with working around it, I'll just move to a better os anyways, linux is 100% better than windows, and probably more supported after all this is over.

[White Raven]

Well, I like Windows... It's the thing I grew up on. Macs are too primitive for me. I'll just sit through this like a ... Well, a sitting duck.

[misterjarhead]

Originally posted by White_Raven
Well, I like Windows... It's the thing I grew up on. Macs are too primitive for me. I'll just sit through this like a ... Well, a sitting duck.

You'll just sit through and wait for them to take away your mp3's? the sole reason you're on winamp.com in the first place? If they put this act in place, winamp will probably be gone because microsoft will want to control what media software they want people to use too. I'm being dead serious.

[White Raven]

Take away my Mp3's? HAH. They can go take that dildo they all use on each other because they can't get girl/boyfriends because they're too geeky and they can use it until their batteries run out. Fuck them, I hate them Them and the RIAA.

[misterjarhead]

Originally posted by White_Raven
Take away my Mp3's? HAH. They can go take that dildo they all use on each other because they can't get girl/boyfriends because they're too geeky and they can use it until their batteries run out. Fuck them, I hate them Them and the RIAA.

HAHA! I couldn't agree more! BAH!

[White Raven]

Just goes to show you. Anything fun, they make illegal. (Or try to, anyways.)

[henry3k56]

I thought Microsoft was already a monopoly. ;)

[Memic]

So do something about it. Fight the system!

[SemiTechGeek]

IT WILL NEVER MAKE IT

It's a simple tactic and it has been used to prevent certain CD Protection technologies from hitting the marketplace.AND IT WORKS

Just return the computer

I know it sounds retarded but think for a moment. Palladium comes out and people buy it. people try to burn their pirated CD's and cannot do that. The people then return it to where they got it and accuse the store of selling them crap. The store turns to the computer builder vendor and accuses them of selling the store X amount of units that are crap. The vendor then gives the store the speech about palladium and the store is still angry. The store and the vendor then take it out of microsoft and the huge retailers somewhat set-up a boycott with the huge computer makers. Microsoft breaks down because if they keep palladium in their systems, then they loose the trust of the vendors and the computer manufacturers. Thus palladium is wiped off the normal retail market within 4 to 6 months.

Faster if you can get the third party hardware makers angry because their stuff will most likely be not compatible with palladium or vise versa. That will be 4-5 months. Much quicker

I'm going to bed and hope Bill Gates Chokes on a $20

Sound Stupid but that's what will happen.

[m0e]

Originally posted by White_Raven
Well, I like Windows... It's the thing I grew up on. Macs are too primitive for me. I'll just sit through this like a ... Well, a sitting duck.

Boy do I feel old. When I graduated from school the only computer we had was the one they used to keep track of attendence and grades. There were no "windows", the only reason Gates had money was his family was rich and the IBM desktop was still being developed.:igor:

[psyfive]

Microsoft a monopoly?!?! NOOO!!!!! Wow start the presses

[henry3k56]

Originally posted by Memic
So do something about it. Fight the system!
Thinking about it, I'll go out this president's weekend and buy a Microsoft Xbox to please them. :D
Already I'm stuck with them for life. MSN is my ISP which I plan to just keep the same for now. Most of my productivity tools are Microsoft. Games come from Microsoft like Flight Simulator. What good comes out from Microsoft? Hey, did I mention I have a Sidewinder game pad from them? :p

[nature spirit]

SmeiTechGeek, I hope you are right. But I also hope all the people are aware of that in order to produce the right impact on the right time.

ALl what scares me is the electronics manufacturers (Stereos, etc..) join in their own way the Microsoft front.

Bill Gate is going too far this time. when did you say he's gonna choke? :D

[Bilbo Baggins]

I don't understand why people hate a company that has almost single handedly made PC's the tool of the common man rather than the scientist.

[nature spirit]

I dont hate Microsoft. On the contrary Im a fierce supporter of win OS right to the heart of the graphics field (which is known to be more Mac favored). But some practices are way bold and irritating.

/me buys a new stronger safe to protect my herd of mp3's :D

[dlinkwit27]

isn't this already talekd abuot in the bitchlist or breaking news "pallendium (sp?), teh end of privracy as we nkow it?" or somethign like that?

[nature spirit]

Originally posted by Bilbo Baggins
I don't understand why people hate a company that has almost single handedly made PC's the tool of the common man rather than the scientist.

Bilbo.. I think it's exactly what they hate about it: making radiations and back, eye, and wrist strains the daily bread for common man rather than just the scientist. :D

[nature spirit]

Yes it orbits almost about the same issue.

dlinkwit.. Either you're typing sitting on the roof of a diesel train or your keyboard is Azerty :D

[cgfiend]

PC's were around before Microsack decided to get their grubby hands on DOS. Microsoft may have made them more popular, but other computer systems were already gaining popularity. Gates built the company by stabbing other companies in the back and/or stealing technology and ideas from other companies. Most people on this board were still in diapers when I was programming BASIC on a TRS-80. It was Windows that made the PC a household item. Those of us who were already hardcore users of DOS and other operating systems looked upon Windows as the plague and despised it as a lazy person's way of using a computer. Windows eventually won over and now the internet is full of computer illiterate users who still run that executeable e-mail attachment after being burned many times before. What's my point? My point is you should count your lucky stars you have Winblows and other GUI operating systems. Otherwise, you'd probably still be one of those people who don't use computers. Back then you had to know something and it took some learning to use a computer. Nowadays it's just point and click. I'm still amazed at how many people find Windows complicated. Oh how I long for the BBS days, 2400 baud and message boards.

Ok, I'm done ranting now.

[dlinkwit27]

Originally posted by nature spirit
dlinkwit.. Either you're typing sitting on the roof of a diesel train or your keyboard is Azerty :D


I have this dyslexia problem with my hands when i type. I don't know why, but i switch letters around all the time. I had to correct this very post about (literally) 7 times. Make that 8.

[nature spirit]

thx for the info cgfiend. I heard there are still such communities somewhere oneline (the 2400 baud and BBS...) is that true?

Im sorry for that dlinkwit. Does practice help?

[cgfiend]

Yes, there are still BBS's online through TelNet... but it just isn't the same as it used to be. I used to run VBBS for my BBS (after trying many other BBS software packages). We had message boards for all kinds of subjects. My BBS would dial up to a hub and transfer messages every morning. It was great fun and the sense of community was awesome. I still have my BBS backed up somewhere. It's just as I left it those many years ago when I shut it down. If I remember right the last day was sometime in 1994. Those were the days.

[liquidmotion]

sweet fucking christ! microsoft is not evil. their software enhances the lives of most computer users. winamp was made using MS products...

come on people, show some MS love.

[StreetWalker]

Originally posted by cgfiend
Microsoft may have made them more popular, but other computer systems were already gaining popularity.

Microsoft made the computer more "personal" at a time when the cost to do so was right.

Gates built the company by stabbing other companies in the back and/or stealing technology and ideas from other companies.

That makes Microsoft very unique doesn't it.

Most people on this board were still in diapers when I was programming BASIC on a TRS-80.

I hate to say this but you were in diapers when I was programming FORTRAN for R&D projects on an IBM mainframe.

It was Windows that made the PC a household item. Those of us who were already hardcore users of DOS and other operating systems looked upon Windows as the plague and despised it as a lazy person's way of using a computer. ........Back then you had to know something and it took some learning to use a computer.

I also used UNIX systems and windowing systems on workstations long before Apple and Microsoft had their first day of business. So neither company invented windows. DOS was a scaled down command line interface quite inferior to UNIX that any simpleton could easily learn to use. You would have to be retarded to continue being a "hardcore" DOS typer when you can efficiently (not lazily) point and click to solve your problems using windows applications.

Steve

[henry3k56]

May I ask, who wishes to play Monopoly? ;)

[StreetWalker]

Originally posted by henry3k56
May I ask, who wishes to play Monopoly? ;)

Yes. I would say Microsoft. NullSoft would too if they knew how. :rolleyes:

Steve

[eleet-2k2]

Originally posted by misterjarhead
I can't even believe it. Microsoft is trying to monopolize the software industry too. It's insane. I'm sure all of you have heard of palladium by now, it's ridiculous. We can't let this happen, it's not right. It's like Big Brother, it's a police state. I urge all of you to go to the following site to read more information on what may happen within the next year or two years. This is critical information, read! INFO ON PALLADIUM (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html) :mad: 1) Microsoft has always been trying to monopolize every niche they could get their money hungry hands on after Bill and Paul Allen moved out of their garage.

2) Palladium is bad, agreed.

3) It's not right.

4) It will be a police state, at least mostly in the US at first.

5) It is Big Brother, and Orwell is already here.

6) No spam links please.

7) Stop scaremongering and being a n00b.

8) Shut up.

9) Welcome to the forums.

10) Bye.

[SemiTechGeek]

Originally posted by nature spirit
SemiTechGeek, I hope you are right. But I also hope all the people are aware of that in order to produce the right impact on the right time.

ALl what scares me is the electronics manufacturers (Stereos, etc..) join in their own way the Microsoft front.

Bill Gate is going too far this time. when did you say he's gonna choke? :D

Retail is a really powerful sector in influencing people's opinions on certain issues such as technology. Most retailers especially my employer (check avatar) are really customer focused and we have to suck-up to them in order for my employer and our competitiors to make a buck. It's simple, if the customer is unhappy, then so are the retailers and they take their anger out on microsoft and in this case the big computer manufacturers for actually going along with this shitty idea. People and investors knock off retailers for being centralized and very aggressive when it comes to customer interaction. This is our greatest strengh. Just like the music industry and TV, retailers also have a hand in preceiving what's hype and what's not.

And Bill Gates, Hell, i'll fly over to his place and shove that god damn $20 if he doesn't do it soon.:D

[dlinkwit27]

Originally posted by nature spirit
Im sorry for that dlinkwit. Does practice help?

nah, its not realy a big deal, its just (now this sounds like i brad, but i not, its true, so w/e) my brain is extremely fast, in the snece that it processes and sends things much faster than i can physical keep up with. When i was little i had a bad stuttering problem. It wasn't that i'd be like h-h-h-h-i, i'd say a word over and over again (about 8 times). Even now that i am older when i get excited or worked out about something i stil do it, but it s not bad. I attribute my bad typing to that same effect. My brain says type this much faster than my finger can go. I am a pretty good typist when i want to be but the backspace key has only the arrow, b, and "ace" left on it :p. I know when i make mistakes, just here in the forums, most the time litle thigns go unnoticed (teh instead of the) so i don't try to correct as much. It's when i make those big error like u pointed out when the ttouble is :D. Now, I don't tell y'all this cause i want you to be liek "oh im sorry, i won't ever make a spelling correction on you again" and i don't want sympathy (idk if any of you even care, lol) but its just the reason why. Well, now that you all know far more about me then you ever cared to know (:D).

i liek M$. This pallendrum thing is a bit over the line tho. Kinda like what the RIAA is doing with their corupt .mp3's

[Ghostie1]

10 PRINT "ME WAS HERE";
20 GOTO 10
30 RUN

lol sinclair where are you I loved that first loop I learnt LMFAO

btw microsoft aren't that bad really ...once you get rid of all the backdoors and the secret Goverment ones;) if you know how and where to find them of course.
Little advice, find an old commodore 64,or sinclai spectrum, learn that, then move through the earler systems and you should very quickly work out how easy it is and where the silly backdoors windows love to incorparate for there govt. buddys so much.
Oh and learn your dos and bios as well!

[cgfiend]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by StreetWalker
Microsoft made the computer more "personal" at a time when the cost to do so was right.

It doesn't change my opinion.

I hate to say this but you were in diapers when I was programming FORTRAN for R&D projects on an IBM mainframe.

I also used UNIX systems and windowing systems on workstations long before Apple and Microsoft had their first day of business. So neither company invented windows. DOS was a scaled down command line interface quite inferior to UNIX that any simpleton could easily learn to use. You would have to be retarded to continue being a "hardcore" DOS typer when you can efficiently (not lazily) point and click to solve your problems using windows applications.

Are you done with trying to inflate your ego? You might be older than me, but your ego trip puts you about 20 years younger. I guess that makes you unique, doesn't it?

The point I was trying to make was the fact that most people were LAZY back then and didn't want to learn how to type commands into a computer. Nowadays it's the same with Windows, even though it's easier to use.

As for programming languages and operating systems designed for business... those have no relevance. I was speaking of DOS and other operating systems pertaining to personal computers, not mainframes. The average personal computer of then didn't come equipped with Unix or Fortran did it? I rest my case.

DOS was what I needed for what I was into at the time. Gaming, programming, the demo scene, the MOD scene and BBSing. Windows 3.1 couldn't cut it. When Windows 95 came out I was skeptical--especially since most DOS-based games wouldn't work correctly. I tried the alternative--OS/2, but eventually I ended up with Windows 95. Yes, it's nice to have convenience, but for convenience you sacrifice control. DOS was simple, yes, but it was functional and everything you needed for a personal computer. I can't imagine using Unix back then for games or demos. MOD's maybe, if someone had written a player.

[cgfiend]

Originally posted by Ghostie1
10 PRINT "ME WAS HERE";
20 GOTO 10
30 RUN

lol sinclair where are you I loved that first loop I learnt LMFAO

btw microsoft aren't that bad really ...once you get rid of all the backdoors and the secret Goverment ones;) if you know how and where to find them of course.
Little advice, find an old commodore 64,or sinclai spectrum, learn that, then move through the earler systems and you should very quickly work out how easy it is and where the silly backdoors windows love to incorparate for there govt. buddys so much.
Oh and learn your dos and bios as well!

Ah yes... the famous loop! I loved that thing. I used to go around in the stores and start one up. Back then it was when Commodores, Vic 20's and TI's were on display. What fun! I agree. The older systems are such great fun to play around with. I still have an old CoCo and a complete PCJr. I just threw away a mint condition Kaypro because I had no room for it. *sigh* I hated to get rid of it, but I have enough old junk as it is. Wish I had a Sinclair though... that'd be worth a few bucks. :)

[Fickle]

I always loved looping different things, even in DOS.
In class we used to have this DOS batch that would copy files and then delete them, Writing things like
Deleting registry....
Deleting......
and then printing things at high speed.
so the hard drive would make noise and freak the hell out of whos computer it was. It didn't actually damage anything (actually, it removed Command and Conquer's executable if there was one). We used it once on this kid that would get the whole class in trouble for playing one particular game (guess) during class. But I'll never forget that batch. Whoo man the heart attacks we caused. We never really considered it, but we could have renamed the windows file to a bunch of random symbols, but we were only small assholes, not real ones.

[cgfiend]

Originally posted by Fickle
I always loved looping different things, even in DOS.
In class we used to have this DOS batch that would copy files and then delete them, Writing things like
Deleting registry....
Deleting......
and then printing things at high speed.
so the hard drive would make noise and freak the hell out of whos computer it was. It didn't actually damage anything (actually, it removed Command and Conquer's executable if there was one). We used it once on this kid that would get the whole class in trouble for playing one particular game (guess) during class. But I'll never forget that batch. Whoo man the heart attacks we caused. We never really considered it, but we could have renamed the windows file to a bunch of random symbols, but we were only small assholes, not real ones.

Batch files were a lot of fun... especially when you got into the meat of it. The menu features were fun to play around with. I still use batch file commands frequently. One of my favorites:

for %t in (*.*) do <mycommand> %t

[cooky560]

true, batch files are quite fun, but you can still do those with winblows 98, just shut down to dos mode!

[cgfiend]

Originally posted by cooky560
true, batch files are quite fun, but you can still do those with winblows 98, just shut down to dos mode!

You can do batch files in any of the Windows operating systems. :)

[cooky560]

wtf is going on with this anyway, are you saying your applications and vendors can raid ure hard disk for pirated mp3s and software?!?, how do they even consider that they the right to look at my hard drive, let alone raid the contents of it!

[cgfiend]

I'm dropping my computer using habits this spring, so it won't matter to me. I'm doing it for health reasons. I think I'm finally starting to get carpal tunnel after almost 25 years of computer use. I'm also overweight and need to get off my ass and do something other than sit in front of this computer. So, Microshaft can do what they want... I've got the MP3's I wanted and I have had my computer fix for long enough. I disconnected my cable internet this last month and I'm using dialup at the moment. Won't be long now... as soon as it gets warm I'll be off riding my motorcycle and having fun in the sun. :)

[Ghostie1]

Originally posted by cooky560
how do they even consider that they the right to look at my hard drive, let alone raid the contents of it!

The fact that they pay software/Operating System producers mega bucks so they can.

The argument here of course, would be, that it enables them to stop people 'Pirating' etc. yes I really do believe that[not]!
One thing about the 'Research' [Govt. funded stuff] We now are passing through the 3gig chip platform...think what they have :eek:
What I mean is that The 'reseach' is many years ahead of the home market.I believe that we could have had 2+gig chips quite a no. of years ago. I remember when the first 3-400mhz came out and even then I was hearing rumours of the 2+gig chips, which to be honest I thought was ludicrous at the time.
With what I have found in the last 2-3 years though I sharp woke up!

Back on 'Pallidium' though. What are we going to do when the Govt. pay the major search engines to 'Upgrade' to 'Palladium'? A lot of money will be spent to ensure it does happen. This is because they want TOTAL control, something which they don't have at the moment. And I bet it won't be that expensive. Basically I reckon they'll probably introduce a system upgrade changing out your current MB and Chip for the new one.All the periphials will work anyway so no need to change them. And I bet it will be subsidised. Now we techie's may moan and complain, but the ordinary home user will just gullibly sign up.






ps now what I would give to have some of there equipment:drool:;)

[Potato]

Yeah, I remember my old Commodore 64. programming on that thing was great. Guess they died after the Amegia. Anyway, whats Pallidium? I have heard of TCPA, but not Pallidium.

/quote
posted by cooky560

are you saying your applications and vendors can raid ure hard disk for pirated mp3s and software?!?,

/quote

You should go read the link that started this thread, yes its fucking long, but if you find your ass in jail in a few years you'll wish you had. But YES on a fully implemented TCPA system content on your computer can be controlled remotely, or as you put it "they can raid your fucking system"

Here is another link, and I urge people to a)spread the word b)sign the petition online.

bedtime.peace.

http://www.againsttcpa.com/index.shtml

[ertmann|CPH]

this is the exact reason i left windows for linux....

[SLASHproduction]

Go to Mac, switch to Linux, write a patch to kill the TC crap.
There are way too many ways around this.

Every time I reformatted the C: drive or copied some wma files to a friends's comp, when you tried to play them, that damn window would open up to "Migrate License"....
Well, no more.

Micro$oft is a joke. EVER single scam they have tried to pull has been met and matched by crackers, hackers and programmers world-wide.
Let them try.

"You can stop me, but you can't stop us all"

[SLASHproduction]

Commodore 64??????? HA HA HA! I still have one up and running! I use it for alot of older games. I loved the original C64 strip poker! HA HA!
I have an old Aplle IIe running too! And a working Tandy in the closet.
I am such a geek.

[Jay]

Heh I just recieved a free copy of Windows Small Business Server 2003 from Microsoft, I guess they want me to continue to develop on their platform. :)

[Fickle]

oh christ, who bumped this fucking thread?