Cowards?

[skinme!]

Forgive me for intruding into this forum. This just isn't suitable for skinlove.

I hate people who call those who commit suicide. How DARE they comment on how others live their lives and in such a personal area? We are part of a race which has but one goal – perfection. Everything we do is orientated towards achieving perfection, or at least an ideal of perfection. “I’m not feeling well – I have a cold.” “Don’t worry – go to the *******y. They have some pills you can take to be perfect again” “When I grow up I want to be really rich. I want to be a billionaire” I hate perfection. I am not perfect. I am nearly the antithesis of perfect. We have become such an arrogant species – seaking perfection above all else. It seems we are now immune to natural selection. If we are not strong enough to collect food, someone else will do it for us. We don’t die. Animals do. Why are those who kill themselves cowards? From what are they cowering? I just wish I could kill myself without being labelled a coward.

[Vie]

Your not having a good day are you?

[skinme!]

You could say that. But it's the same day I have every now and then, and for the same causes.

[Vie]

ah, I used to get that, but the Doctor said I needed to relax more.

I'm not realy alowed to get angry anymore....

[MetallichicA]

You're not a coward for wanting to kill yourself, but it won't solve as much as it seems that it would. You ARE, however, doing an injustice to society. Think of how old you are, and how many more years you could live - and how many cool things you could do in your lifetime. What if you find a cure for something? What if you start a company that helps millions of people? What if you meet someone that needs your help, and you change their life?


It's human nature to try to be perfect.
It's human nature to not be able to acheive it.


Seriously, remember that. It sounds trite and cheesy, but really, nobody is perfect. Let's say you have someone on your back trying to get you to do something better. Let's say you try your damnedest but just can't. So what? You tried hard, right? Apparently whatever that was, just wasn't your thing - and that's fine. Any given person cannot be good at everything.

Of course we're an arrogant species. We're smart - sometimes too smart for our own good, in fact.

There's really nothing to run from. A lot of people go through this same sort of feeling, and there's nothing really wrong with it. But in the end, it won't do much good, and it ends up hurting other people. I have a feeling you do care about others, since you're talking this out a bit.

Don't be too hard on yourself. Life is hard. It really truly sucks sometimes. But a lot of people have gone through some pretty bad stuff, and come out on top.

You only have weaknesses if you let them drag you down. Just remember that you can just brush them aside and focus on your strengths instead.

*big hug* Cheer up pardner. :-\

[skinme!]

Thanks... I guess I was being a bit extreme.. it's easy to do so when you're upset. Although, my feeling's towards people's condemnation of suicide still stands.

[Jedi Gemstone]

Actually you have got a good point there.
Perfection is something thats literally cumpolsary (howeva its spelt) you aint perfect or good at anything you dont get a job.
About comitting suicide it depends on which way you look at it. If a person commits suicide because of being bullied and not doing anything about it then they would be called a coward by not doing anything. But then again it does take guts do commit suicide so in another way the were brave to do that. Or they could of tried everything and not a thing changed and commited suicide. But to me I now think that comitting suicide is useless it gets you no where. besides bad times dont last forever. But they are definatly not cowards I agree with you on that part skinme.

[skinme!]

I just have a philosophy where people should be allowed to control how they live and if they die. I support Euthanasia, not least because debilitating disease can be worse than death. I don't think suicide should be encouraged but when people are labelled cowards, it pisses me off.

[Kinetik*]

Thing is, when a person 'controls' rather or not they live or die, they have effect on more peoples lives than just their own, even if they don't know it. Sure, people should be able to control their own lives, but that's in a utopian world. In this world, it's not, believe it or not, every man for himself. I don't think you'd be a coward if you killed yourself. I think that you're not only taking your life in your own hands, your taking other peoples lives in your hands. More than your own.

And I call that Selfishness, not cowardice.

[zootm]

people who commit suicide aren't in general cowards, but the are running away from something. usually it's something that is nothing like as serious as they perceive it to be. so no, not cowardly. misled, disillusioned, more likely.

[Some1]

You ARE, however, doing an injustice to society. Think of how old you are, and how many more years you could live - and how many cool things you could do in your lifetime. What if you find a cure for something? What if you start a company that helps millions of people? What if you meet someone that needs your help, and you change their life?

It's all irrelevant...nobody is obligated to benefit society just because they can (laws create an implicit obligation not to actively harm, but this is different from an obligation to help)...the suicidal person isn't doing society an injustice, society is doing HIM an injustice by expecting him to live out a life that he does not want simply because he has the potential to benefit society (and an even greater injustice if society tries to actively force this person to help out simply by virtue of the fact that he can)...

[ertmann|CPH]

I was thinking of suicide a while ago

My life just went totaly wrong, i failed my tests in school, my girlfriend broke up, i lost my job, i was close to loosing my appartment, some of my friends stop calling me etc....

So i went into a depression, and i realy just wanted to make my life end, Just got this idea into my head that i was a total failure - so what was the point

I told some of my close friends how i was feeling, and they just couldn't understand me, they all told me that i had the coolest life, i had tried so many things, and been so many places, and had so many cool friends - so how i could i possibly feel like that.... but they couldn't convince me about it.

So one night when things realy was looking bad, and i just felt like jumping out the window (i live on the 5th floor) i sat down and reevaluated my life..... i made this plan for the next ten years of what i want to do with my life

Im still at university studying japanese and econmics, but failing all my tests, but im applying for jobs in tokyo right now - and i will go there to live for a year in september - to learn and speak the language flewently - then i will go home, finish my education - work as hard as hell for 5-6 years in some office, which will pay alot when i finish my thesis, live as cheap as i can, save up atleast 200.000 USD. And then i will open my own diveshop somewhere on an island in the pacific - just a small cozy one - hire one or two other dive instructers..... and just live a life I know i will enjoy.... and that keeps me going right now

[steak]

save up atleast 200.000 USD.
I was going to make some whity joke about being able to do anything you want with $200 but I realised that I abused you in the other thread with the heroin thing so i thought I’d give you a rest :)

Stop being so damn easy to tease :D