The Cure

[Cylob]

Nice to see people are still into The Cure! Seems to be generally accepted that:


Disintegration was their finest hour (goth "White Album" and all that)
Bloodflowers was somewhat disappointing (actually is was complete crap)
Their depressing songs are much better than their happy tunes.


I supported the Cure after Lol Tolhurst left (I rate "High" as one of their best albums) but.... 2 crap albums in a row is too much. Even worse, Bloodflowers had many a song with chord-changes similar to tracks on previous albums. Out of ideas then Robert (and looking a bit fat lately).

For me, The Cure are an excellent 70's - early 90's act.

:up:

[Twilightseer]

Yus, very much into the Cure :D Thanks Cylob for opening this thread :)

If I remember correctly, High was a single, Wish being the album ;)

The Cure was the greatest music shock I had; for a long while, they were practically the only band I was listening to. It was the first time that I decided to buy all of a band's albums one by one; I like the pop stuff, it's just so awesome (especially the Head On the Door era, the b-sides of this era were simply fabulous); but the darker stuff is incredible as well - "Faith" is such a sad and intense album and the song itself... :up:
I think that today's Cure is lacking something, this is mostly due to their lame-ass drummer (Jason, if you read this, please let Boris come back :D ) : this shows incredibly on the "trilogy" DVD, this guy ruins great songs such as " A Short-Term Effect" "Hanging Garden" " Closedown", he's kinda better on the Bloodflowers stuff (I rate Bloodflowers as good even though it's not in my top 3) but on the Pornography stuff, he's just worthless, even Tolhurst was better.
I can only hope that they fire their drummer asap and get a real one. Good news is that they're working on a new album produced by Ross Robinson. Can't wait to get it :)

[Cylob]

You actually liked Bloodflowers??? From memory there was one half-decent track. Admittedly I've only played the album 3 or 4 times.

I haven't got "Faith" or any b-sides. Care to list some track names?

The Cure had a large impact on me (back in '91), I bought Mixed Up, Entreat, Disintegration, Boys Don't Cry and Staring at the Sea within a week. That was one hell of a week too! Of course I've been a fan ever since.

I've recently acquired Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me & Head on the Door. It's just getting time to listen to them (i'm sure you know what I mean).

As for the future, I think the problem goes beyond the drummer. The general rule is a band will 'become' crap with the passing of time (it just happens). The edge is lost, the blade-tip is blunted. The only exceptions I can find are New Order & Rush.... Time to go home. Hoorah!!

[ShyShy]

ahhh, home sweet home:cool: you're my hero cylob:D


i'm guessing the both of you are in england? if so, cool... i can use you guys as my updaters! anyways, i only skimmed thru "bloodflowers", didn't even really like what i was skipping. the last cd i bought from them was their 2 disc greatest hits. i forked over $32 for that and it was worth it, mainlyl because of the second disc being acoustic. most of the songs sound great that way, but there were a few that didn't just quite cut it. i never even heard of their dvd special... hmm, must ask the older brother about that.

[papadoc]

I used to be a huge Cure fan.
Disintegration was awsome, especially when I was coming down
after all-night parties at the local underground Dance Club.
My other favorite Cure album is Mixed Up (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?PID=1095602&frm=sh_google), released in 1990,
one year after Disintegration.
Mixes by Paul Oakenfold, Francois Kevorkian, William Orbit, and others.

[Cylob]

I would say Twilightseer is the resident expert on The Cure (I'll be relying on him for updates). I'm lacking much of their early 80's material ...for now! It's on my to-do list.

How about Cure-ish bands? I mean, you can't be into the Cure without having a soft-spot for similar goth/rock/indie artists. They've all lived in each other's pockets (been to the same gigs, drunk at the same bars, shared the same barber).

[Cylob]

Originally posted by papadoc
My other favorite Cure album is Mixed Up (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?PID=1095602&frm=sh_google), released in 1990,
one year after Disintegration.
Mixes by Paul Oakenfold, Francois Kevorkian, William Orbit, and others.

Mixed-up is fantastic! I had the good fortune of picking-it-up as my first Cure album. Must be a contender for the best mix album of all time.:p I can't think of a comparable album.

[Cylob]

Sorry papadoc, no disrespect (man) - my third-to-last post was despatched before I knew you had posted! This is where the ability to draw arrows on the screen would be nice.

[papadoc]

Originally posted by Cylob
Sorry papadoc, no disrespect (man) - my third-to-last post was despatched before I knew you had posted!
http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/happy/xyxthumbs.gif

[Cylob]

Cool :)

[ShyShy]

i actually used Mixed Up to get others to listen to something besides the crap that was coming out at the time... then Nirvana hit.

on a side note, does anybody else have their autobiography taht came out in 1990(?), great reading.

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
I would say Twilightseer is the resident expert on The Cure (I'll be relying on him for updates)

WOW, that's a major compliment :D :up:
shyshy, for the record, I am in France but heck, if you need any info, feel free to ask :)

Okay, some info now.

"Faith" was the band's third album following "3 Imaginary Boys" and "17 Seconds". To me, it's the darkest most mysterious album they've made (even darker than Pornography). It's a strange record because it's both very quiet and sort of terrifying, top cuts to me are "All cats are grey", "other voices", "The Drowning Man" and of course the title song "Faith". This song is particular; Smith himself says it's the best song he's ever written and like " A Forest", it has a special treament when played live : the album version is 6'43'' but the live versions especially during the Prayer Tour (for the Disintegration albums)in 1989 could reach 15 and even 17 minutes. In those versions, Smith usually adds lots of improvisations on guitar and lyrics.
Faith as an album is kind of a surreal experience, i wouldn't recommend it to young/depressed listeners for it's very dark and intense but to me it's a masterpiece.
You also have to know that the cassette version of the record includes a 26-minute track called "Carnage Visors", it was the soundtrack to the movie the band used to replace the first-act during the Picture Tour (1981). It's a repetitive drak piece, played mostly with guitar and a drum machine. If you get to grab the cassette version, pay it a listen :)
About the B-sides : in 1986, on the cassette version of Staring at the sea (called Standing on the Beach), the B-sides of all the singles released by the bands were included (except the ones that already appeared on Japanese Whispers). The B-sides are really excellent, especially those of the HOTD era : top cuts "Stop Dead" "A Man Inside My Mouth", "A Few Hours After This", "The exploding boy".
You have to know that the band plans to release a B-side compilation in 2004 as well as re-release all albums digitally remastered with additional material, in 2004 as well, so stay tuned ;)

An additional note on Mixed Up : as almost always happened with The Cure, the cassette version of the album included an additional track which was the extended version of "Why Can't I Be You?" (Absolutely awesome :) ) I don't listen to Mixed Up much, it's usually one of the most hated albums along with Wild Mood Swings and The Top. Personnally, I like it a lot especially the remixes of "Lullaby" and "The Caterpillar".

About the Greatest Hits : well, the acoustic hits didn't quite do it for me, I guess it was a way of making another compilation seem more attractive.

About the DVD : the Cure has just released a DVD called "Trilogy" : it includes 3 albums (Pornography, Disintegration and Bloodflowers) played entirely and in chronological order live in Berlin. The DVD is technically awesome but since the drummer sucks, most songs are ruined by his crappy drumming :(

About the autobiography : it was called "10 Imaginary Years", and was released in 1986. It only covers the band's first ten years, a sequel covering the rest, tentatively called "More Imaginary Years", has been in the works for years now. I don't have "10 IY" yet, I'll get it when I have the time.

Cylob : THOTD is perfect, Kiss me is different, extremely varied, but there are gems on it, the drumming is fantastic (The Kiss) and the guitars should leave you baffled. Have a great time listening to them.

There, i have finished. If you need any more info, just ask :)

[Cylob]

Thanks for the info Twilightseer, I printed it out and read it from my desk (looks as though I'm working)! I'm typing the reply into outlook express (again, looks like I'm working)!!!! It's much more fun than fiddling with a spreadsheet I can tell you.

I'll pick-up "Faith" on the way home, it was reaching the top of my list anyway. I do like a dark, atmospheric album, it sounds like "Faith" is exactly that. I've also noted those b-sides. No chance of getting them in town but there are other methods!

Have you got "Entreat"?? It really is a good live album. Fascination Street, Disintegration and Prayers for Rain are played with real energy. For me, it's the Cure's zenith.

Thanks for the feedback, may this discussion continue!:)

[Twilightseer]

:)

Yes, I do have "Entreat". Although it's quite hard to find these days, since it was a promotional record, I was luck enough to find a copy in a used cds store :)Still, it was much much easier to find than Curiosities, which is the really rare live album by this band.
"Faith" is excellent, you won't regret it. As I said, it's soothing and disturbing at the same time, very ethereal keyboards, powerful bass and precise guitar work, only two more aggressive tracks (Primary and Doubt), the rest being contemplative and very dark. You'll definitely like it, at least i hope so :)

[Cylob]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
:)You'll definitely like it, at least i hope so :)

It's a certainty.;)

[ShyShy]

twilight, thanks for the info... very cool. and acutually i do have have 10 IY, at least i bought it and i think the older brother stole it.

cylob, hmmm, i've always thought that Souixse and The Banshees were a little Cure-ish. but it's no wonder, when they would trade band members occasionally during live performances.

[Cylob]

Faith - It is sullen, however the drums manage to lift the theme a bit. I love Primary and Other Voices (probablty the most instantly accessible). No fillers - every track is decent. I don't usually agree with AMG, but they're right in saying the album is one piece - the tracks blend into each other (possibly unintentionally). A mark of a good album though when it flows from start to finish.

It'll take a week to peel off the cover of the slower tracks, particularly "Faith" itself.

The album as a whole reminds me of New Order/Movement (also 1981), only without the bleeps!

Will spin it more over the week! Fits my current mood like a glove.

[Cylob]

Originally posted by ShyShy
i've always thought that Souixse and The Banshees were a little Cure-ish. but it's no wonder, when they would trade band members occasionally during live performances.

Yeah, it was always amusing to see Robert Smith on "Top of the Pops" alongside Siouxsie. They actually looked quite similar (the hair, the clothes, the makeup)!

Both bands helped shape music in the UK. You couldn't ask for better influences really.

[Twilightseer]

Robert Smith and Steve Severin joined in 1983 to form The Glove, a group that only released one album called Blue Sunshine. Smith wasn't entitled to sing on this record because of contract purposes so a female backup singer, Jeanette Landray sang on the record. Still, Smith sang on two tracks.
Blue Sunshine is a weird but very interesting record, pretty close to "The Top" :)

[Cylob]

I bet Blue Sunshine's harder to find than polar bears in the antarctic. Harder possibly:(

[ShyShy]

my favorite Cure moment would have to be when the first Crow movie came out. Opening sequence... you hear the music buildup... theater was filled and very quiet. then you hear this voice: "omg... that's the fucking Cure playing that song!" yup, that was me. and the funny thing was, no one told me to shut up. the guy i was dating at the time had the nerve to ask me who i was talking about.

[Twilightseer]

"Burn" is an incredible song indeed. It also happens to be the last one the band recorded with Boris Williams on drums :(
It's also the best song they've written for a movie; initially, for The Crow, the director wanted to use "The Hanging Garden" and Smith said "No, we're gonna make a new song" :D

[Cylob]

Burn - there's another song I never knew existed. When you think you know a band.......

[Twilightseer]

Cylob,

You have to check it out, it's definitely awesome :)
If you're interested, other songs that The Cure wrote for movie soundtracks were "Dredd Song" (Judge Dredd), "More Than This" (X-Files, Fight The Future) and another one called " A Sign From God" for the movie Orgazmo and released under the name Cogasm.

[Cylob]

Dammit!!! More songs I've lived without. I thought Curve had cornered the action-hero blockbuster market (Spiderman, Buffy etc). This week my Cure collection will grow by about 10%.:)

[ShyShy]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
"Burn" is an incredible song indeed. It also happens to be the last one the band recorded with Boris Williams on drums :(
It's also the best song they've written for a movie; initially, for The Crow, the director wanted to use "The Hanging Garden" and Smith said "No, we're gonna make a new song" :D


that's the title of the song!!! anyways, Cylob, The Crow soundtrack is pretty good as a whole. i thought it went with the movie quite well. and i've started turning the rugrat into a Cure fan... got the greatest hits playing in the car when i drop and pick her up from daycare. she seems to like Just Like Heaven and Head On The Door so far.:up:

[Cylob]

Thanks for those tracks Twilightseer, they are now in my database (ready for the "play" button). As a matter of interest, have you got "This Twilight Garden" (B-Side of "High")? IMO, it's better than half the tracks on Wish!

ShyShy, good to see your tot growing-up on wholesome tunes. It's the same with my kids, they loathe the manistream and love what I play (obviously the Cure included).:) Killing an Arab, The Walk & Love Cats are particular favourites. It's great when you can mould your kids in your own image (it's for the best)!

[Twilightseer]

Cylob and ShyShy => Are you men or women ?

Cylob

Yes, I do have "This Twilight Garden", heck, it's where the first part of nick comes from :D
It's a fabulous song, so dreamy and eerie. Apparently, we're not the only ones who love it, in 2000, prior to the Dream Tour, the Cure asked the fans on their websites to vote for the songs that they'd like to hear most and TTG made it to n°2 (only second to Faith). Robert Smith wrote that he was flabbergasted by this :D
Sadly, I only know the Wish B-sides that were on High Single (plus a couple like Scared As You, which is fantastic as well). I can't wait for the damn B-Side boxset they've been promising for years :)

[Cylob]

I'm 100% man (110% if you take my intellect into account)!

They should've put the track on the album then!! I'd swap it for "Friday I'm In Love".

[ShyShy]

100% woman

actually i like playing Friday I'm in Love... gets the rugrat to learn her days... and as far as moulding her musical tastes, i try to expose her to lots of different genres, she especially likes latin music, it's pretty damn funny seeing the looks we get when we're out in public and she's busts out singing in spanish.

[ShyShy]

ssshhhh, i *borrowed* part of this article from, ahem, a site:


IRVINE, California — Blink-182 are continuing their fine tradition of potty humor album titles, following up 2001's Take Off Your Pants and Jacket with Use Your Erection I and II.

Drummer Travis Barker revealed the Guns N' Roses-inspired name at Saturday's KROQ Weenie Roast, where he performed with the Transplants (see "Pink Teams With Transplants, Good Charlotte Unplug For Weenie Roast"). He said the album is due October 28, although a spokesperson at the band's label said it's scheduled for November.

According to Barker, a collaboration with his friends the Neptunes is still just in talks, but Blink-182 are definitely working with a few guests, including DJ Shadow, Dan the Automator and singer Robert Smith of the Cure.

"We just got a lot of people who ... we love and we look up to," Barker said. "[The Smith collaboration] is a super downer. I mean, there's some dark songs on the record. It's pretty cool."


it seems like we're not the only ones still into the Cure... just for that alone, i'm going to *check-out* blink-182's new album.

[Cylob]

Cool - but I bet the Blink 182 record will still sound crap!!!! Throat blisters on top of throat blisters on top of throat blisters. I prefer loud music (wall of noise) with clearly audible vocals. Shouting not necessary man.

But good on them for having such role-models. :) My fear is, in 10 years time, who will be the role-models then??? There's a vaccuum in Britain (no native music and the foreign acts aren't doing well). They may have to start from scratch. Robert Smith should give-up recording and lend his hand at producing full-time.

[ShyShy]

hmmmm, Robert as a producer... that would rock. i was watching an 80's special on VH1 the other nite and laughed at the people who admitted to being closet Cure fans.


also, my brother has my Boys Don't Cry poster hanging in his room:D

[Twilightseer]

Actually, Robert Smith did produce a couple of 7" in the early 80s. :)
He had a micro-label called Dance Fools Dance and produced a couple of 7" for local bands (I mean bands from his city in the UK). Some of them were The Obtainers (a duet of 11-year old kids !) and Animation.
All of them flopped miserably :D and the records by these bands are absolutely impossible to find. This flop was the reason why Simon Gallup (The Cure's current bass player) called his band Fools Dance after The Cure briefly disbanded after the Pornography Tour (14 Explicit Moments Tour). This band was awful (Gallup SANG in it) which explains why Gallup easily rejoined the Cure in 1985 :D
Sadly, it seems that Robert Smith is now willing to collaborate with every lame-ass band that claims to like the Cure. I wish he focused on kicking the current drummer and bringing Boris back.

[Cylob]

It's always painful when a band member's replaced. Particularly at a late stage of the band's career.

Take Blur - I can't take them seriously without Graham Coxon. The delicate balance has been destroyed.

[Twilightseer]

Well, Cooper, the current drummer has been here for 8 years and I still feel Boris is missing. Cooper has the flattest drumming ever heard in the Cure, he drums as if the Cure was some lame-ass crappy teenage pop band.

[Cylob]

What was Cooper's first album - Wild Mood Swings???? If so, that would explain a lot.

[ShyShy]

see, this is why i hate living where i'm at... i never knew that Robert produced. btw... i think that Simon rejoined because he ended up marrying Robert's sister. i read that somewhere in 10 I.Y.

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
What was Cooper's first album - Wild Mood Swings???? If so, that would explain a lot.

Actually, several drummers played on Wild Mood Swings because the new drummer hadn't been chosen at that point, Cooper played most tracks though.

ShyShy

It was Porl Thompson (guitar and occasional keyboards/saxophone player) who married Smith's siter :)

[Twilightseer]

*BUMP* :)

Great news : at last, a b-side compilation is planned for October/November ! I hope they'll put all the hard-to-find songs, hell I want a goddamn boxset :D (that and Cooper to be fired ;) )

[ShyShy]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and yes, Cylob, if i save enough pennies i'll be buying that one, lol.

[Cylob]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
I hope they'll put all the hard-to-find songs, hell I want a goddamn boxset :D

You deserve it!

What took them so long anyway, not like a label to drag their heals with a B-Side compillation (there's always more juice in that lemon). I hope they get Robert's good side for the box (I bet it'll be plastered with lipstick kisses).

[Twilightseer]

Hopefully, the boxset will be an exhaustive project. They also plan to rerelease all the studio albums in remastered versions with bonus cds :)

Anyway, not exactly Cure-related but Robert Smith does the vocals on a track called Perfect Blue Sky on the new Junkie XL album "Radio Jxl", the music is fairly generic gentle electronica but Robert's vocals are absolutely excellent. Also, he has written the lyrics of a song called 'Believe' for some guy named Earl Slick, have to check out who it is :D
Also, a remixed version of A Forest by Blank And Jones, with new vocals by Robert should be available soon as well as a re-sung version of Pictures of You made for an Australian movie. Sweetness :)

Stay tuned.

[ShyShy]

see, this is why i love you twilight, :D i would NEVER know about any of this. and Earl Slick does ring a bell in the dusty corners of my mind for some odd reason. please let me know about the remix of A Forest and the re-do on Pictures of You, that's one of my favorites from them. which reminds me, time to blast my cd on the stereo!

[Twilightseer]

WOW !
The B-sides collection is apparently to be released on October 21st ! :D
It's a 4-cd boxset tentatively called "Join The Dots" :)

Yeah :D

[Cylob]

What's that - about 44 tracks????? 4 whole albums of just b-sides!!! There must be some live material in there as well (surely).

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
What's that - about 44 tracks????? 4 whole albums of just b-sides!!! There must be some live material in there as well (surely).

Well, The Cure have released about 30 singles, count at least one B-side per track, you already have 2cds filled ;)

[Cylob]

Smart. Some of their B-sides are better than the A's ('This Twilight Garden' springs to mind). I know they won't all be of that high caliber, but there must be more gems on offer.

Incidentally, there was talk in NME this week about Boris coming back.

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
Incidentally, there was talk in NME this week about Boris coming back.

OMFG :eek: That would be the most awesome news :D Heck, Cooper is so worthless, completely ruins the Trilogy DVD :mad:

Don't worry about the B-Sides' quality : I've heard quite a few of them and most of them are terrific : check out songs such as "Fear of Ghosts", "Out Of Mind", "Scared As you", all of the HOTD era...

[Cylob]

HOTD is such a good album. Replicated (almost successfully) by Hot Hot Heat! I can imagine those b-sides being good.

Actually I was bullshitting about Boris. Does this mean I'm banned?

[Twilightseer]

CYLOB BANNED !!!


:D

(I really should though ;)

[Cylob]

:eek: :D :D :D :D :D

hehehehe

[ShyShy]

Originally posted by Cylob
Actually I was bullshitting about Boris. Does this mean I'm banned?


i would've bitchslapped him and then banned him!:D but since you're closer to him, 'seer...


but:up: :up: :up: on the upcoming box collection, i'll be rolling my pennies or pray that my credit card magically resets to a zero balance!

[Twilightseer]

I'll get the collection on the very day it's released anyway :D

[Cylob]

I've got a good remix of 'A Forest' by Blank & Jones 'seer. You should check it out. Good 'getting ready to go out' music.

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
I've got a good remix of 'A Forest' by Blank & Jones 'seer. You should check it out. Good 'getting ready to go out' music.

No kidding ! :D Wonder how you found it ;)

Very good remix, way better than what is usually done with the Cure music :)

[Cylob]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
No kidding ! :D Wonder how you found it ;)


I pulled it out of a hat (I grew up watching Paul Daniels). I can also levitate the wife, always a highlight at parties.

I'll be checking out other Blank & Jones mixes. 2 good out of 2 ain't a bad start. Maybe there'll be a 'Mixed Up II' at some point in the future? A tranced-up version of 'The Walk' must already exist somewhere - if not I'll do it myself (I have a micro studio under the stairs). I'll have to think of other songs that would sound good in trance format.

[Twilightseer]

Actually, on "Mixed Up", The Walk was replayed, not remixed. Same goes for the version of A Forest on the same album. I'll try to check out some more stuff by Blank And Jones too :)

[Cylob]

It sounds like the Blank & Jones 'Forest' was replayed. I didn't detect many original features bar the vocals (and the tune of course).

[ShyShy]

*sighs* i'm feeling sooooo left out right now, no love. i'll have to search for the song laters, i'm supposed to be getting ready for work.

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
It sounds like the Blank & Jones 'Forest' was replayed. I didn't detect many original features bar the vocals (and the tune of course).

Yes it was replayed, and for a very good reason, actually, the same reason why this track was replayed on Mixed Up, that is : because the original tapes of the "Seventeen Seconds" album were accidentally deleted (the Cure manager, Chris Parry, had stored them next to his washing machine and the engine deleted them). Robert explained that when he took out the tapes to remix them, they were blank, so A Forest was rerecorded for Mixed Up. For the record, Robert couldn't remember the exact guitar solo at the end, and since none of his fellow band members had a copy of "17 seconds" handy, he just improvised on new solo :)

[Cylob]

Deleted by a washing machine! They should've written a song about it. I'm on Blank & Jones patrol, sounds like Mattress territory (your standard trance issue).

[ShyShy]

FINALLY!!! i was able to "find" the remix last nite, and now i bow down before the almighty polar bear. that rocked!

[Cylob]

The best Cure album anyone? I'd say:
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd600/d684/d68459y9nh1.jpg

The remixes/replays are just exquisite. AMG gave it 2/5, which proves that all rating-systems are bollox.

[ShyShy]

Hmm, I don't know, I've kinda given up on deciding which was their best. I kinda like the Accoustic CD of the G.H. Different twists on how some of those songs sound. And for the most part, never listen ot ctitcs/ratings, they never know squat.

[Twilightseer]

"Mixed Up" really is an oddity (one more :D) in The Cure's career. I actually like it while most "diehard fans" (:rolleyes: ) hate it because it was the period when the band was dabbling with electronica and of course, any rock band that does so is a whore. That being said, I find the Inbetween Days remix absolutely awful while I like those of Lullaby and The Caterpillar.

I've pretty much given up trying to define what the best Cure album is because my judgement changes according to my mood. Still, I think their strongest works are "Seventeen Seconds", "Faith", "Pornography" "The Head On The Door" "Kiss Me Kiss Me, Kiss Me" and "Disintegration". But the fact is I haven't really listened to The Cure lately, maybe because I sort of get tired of not having anything new to listen to. "Bloodflowers" wasn't exactly a bombastic release (awesome songs on it but also some so-so numbers), The Greatest Hits was a rehash of old material (Actually, I've never listened entirely to the acoustic hits, imho, it just lacks passion), The B-side collection has been postponed until 2004 (:() and the new album still seems far away. And my lack of interest for the current line-up doesn't help.
Currently, I'm more into other groups, especially Mogwai (who happens to be Smith's fave band), their latest album is excellent as was Rock Action and the track "Killing All The Flies" is a pure masterpiece.

Now, if only Boris and Porl would come back... ;)

[orac]

Entreat is very good and It took some finding.. better production and song versions than Disintegration (the album all the tracks come from)..

You can turn Wish (a very good album) into a complete classic.. remove all the happy songs.. i think the ones to remove are: High, doing the unstuck, friday I'm in love and a letter to elise..

I quite like Bloodflowers... wild mood swings is exactly like the title.. varied.. but too varied and with only possibly 3 good songs..

Mixed up was (again) my entry cd.. fascination street (extended mix) and lovesong (extended)... wow...

so for me its Entreat, Wish (my edit) and Mixed Up..

(reminds me - need to backup Entreat)

[Cylob]

Originally posted by orac
You can turn Wish (a very good album) into a complete classic.. remove all the happy songs.. i think the ones to remove are: High, doing the unstuck, friday I'm in love and a letter to elise..


Quite orac. :p Fridays I'm in Love was ill-conceived. They tried to make a latter day "In Between Days" but it goes against the grain of Wish. I'd get rid of it - you can't have such a track sitting smack in the middle of a downbeat album.

Imagine having Love Cats on Faith????

I'd keep "High" though, it's very "Wish".

[Cylob]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
Now, if only Boris and Porl would come back... ;)

You need therapy seer'. Face it - Boris ain't coming back, Jason's the man now. Stand in front of the mirror and say "Jason is the main man now, Jason is the main man now, Jason is the main man now". It'll help with the pain.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

I'm just wondering how you could possibly like Caterpillar from Mixed Up. It's awful. All over the place!

[ShyShy]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
[BThe B-side collection has been postponed until 2004 (:() and the new album still seems far away. [/B]


Nooooooo:cry: And welcome orac, nice to see another Cure fan in here. I was getting bored with the other two:p

[Cylob]

Originally posted by ShyShy
Nooooooo:cry: And welcome orac, nice to see another Cure fan in here. I was getting bored with the other two:p

I was getting bored with "the other two" as well. :p

[Twilightseer]

I'm bored with ALL members, guess it's a natural effect of having been a mod for so long :D

Jason sucks, Jason sucks, Jason sucks : that's my mantra :p

Would anyone sign an on-line petition for the return of Porl and Boris ? :D

[orac]

actually i looked at wish last night and letter to elise is not a removable track..

so this is it (sorry Cylob, don't agree with your opinion on High..)

1. Open (Bamonte/Gallup/Smith/Thompson/Williams) - 6:51
3. Apart (Bamonte/Gallup/Smith/Thompson/Williams) - 6:38
4. From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea (Bamonte/Gallup/Smith/Thompson/Williams) - 7:44
5. Wendy Time (Bamonte/Gallup/Smith/Thompson/Williams) - 5:13
8. Trust (Bamonte/Gallup/Smith/Thompson/Williams) - 5:33
9. A Letter to Elise (Bamonte/Gallup/Smith/Thompson/Williams) - 5:14
10. Cut (Bamonte/Gallup/Smith/Thompson/Williams) - 5:55
11. To Wish Impossible Things (Bamonte/Gallup/Smith/Thompson/Williams) - 4:43
12. End (Bamonte/Gallup/Smith/Thompson/Williams) - 6:46


If people don't have Entreat (as its rare) then Cylob will sort you!!

Entreat: - eh no track listing on allmusic - Cylob - can you post it?

[Twilightseer]

Entreat: - eh no track listing on allmusic - Cylob - can you post it?

I have it so let's go :)

1) Pictures Of You
2) Closedown
3) Last Dance
4) Fascination Street
5) Prayers For Rain
6) Disintegration
7) Homesick
8) Untitled

All songs recorded live in July 1989 @Wembley Arena.

[Cylob]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
Would anyone sign an on-line petition for the return of Porl and Boris ? :D

Start the petition and I'll sign it. I'm no fan of the Cure post 92. If it's Jason's fault then he needs a good kicking. I still say bring back Tolhurst.

I'd settle for your track listing orac, but High brings back memories from '92. Good or bad is besides the point. For me it's the above plus High, but I'd possibly move it towards the end. After Letter to Elise would be good.

Twilightseer is a Cure expert, he can recite any track listing forwards, backwards, by length or by name. Speaking of Entreat, I made the mistake of hearing it before Disintegration. Never mind.

[Twilightseer]

I really like High, it's a very nifty song, actually, Smith said it was inspired to him by a little girl, daughter of some of his relatives or friends, he said the expression "sky as a kite" was hers. It's a joyful song, and in addition, the remix that appeared on the EP was very good (Higher Mix) :)

[Cylob]

The High cd-single is a gem. It has This Twilight Garden on it.:) I like the artwork too.

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
The High cd-single is a gem. It has This Twilight Garden on it.:) I like the artwork too.

This Twilight Garden is a fabulous song, heck, it inspired my nickname :)
Yes, the artwork is cool, actually, it was done by Porl, as all sleeves of the Wish era.

[Cylob]

I didn't know Porl was so talented. Great handle then 'seer, I didn't realise the connection.

On the subject of Wish - does anyone else think "Open" sounds like Duran Duran/Is There Something I Should Know? It definitely carries the same tune.

[Twilightseer]

Never made the connection with the Duran Duran Song, guess I should clear the dust off my DD best of cd and check it.

Open is a fabulous song when it's played live and fast (as on the Show live album). When I heard the studio version, I was disappointed, it's too slow and the drum sound was not that weel chosen.

[Cylob]

I haven't got "Show"
:eek:

Must get it in immediately.

The same thing happened to me with Fascination Street - the live version was so much better. But I do appreciate both now. I'm eager to hear Open now.

[orac]

I got Show - you can borrow it mate.. will put it in a format you can understand..

Paris was disappointing... I didn't keep it..

[Cylob]

You have Show? It'd save time if I could borrow it.:) Paris has it's good points, I think I found it cheap on CD. 3 for £20 type thing. Those were the days (the bad days).

[Twilightseer]

Paris is good for some tracks (Figurehead, At Night, Dressing Up) but some others suck (Close to Me, Lovesong).

Show is most excellent, and I have it too (the 2cd set, not the one-cd US one ;) )

[orac]

yeah same here 2 cd set... picked it up for £5.00 years ago..

a few dodgy tracks - but mainly great - not upto Entreat though.. but that makes Disintegration obsolete IMO

[Twilightseer]

One thing I've never understood with Show : why are the last five tracks of the concert (To Wish Impossible Things/Primary/Why Can't I Be You ?/Boys Don't Cry/A Forest) did not make it to the cd ? heck, they had enough room. It's such a shame because the 12-minute version of a Forest they played was fantastic, with added lyrics.

[orac]

was it released as a concert video as well?

[Twilightseer]

Yes it was released in 1993 in VHS, LD and CDi.
Hopefully, it will be released on DVD.

[orac]

Have you seen this Cylob.. looks interesting 3 3/4 hours worth!

The Cure Live in Berlin (http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=114934)

[Cylob]

Nice playlist, but I'm not into DVD's. :( I'm holding out for the video hd.

[orac]

mmm well don't hold your breath...

[Cylob]

I just have great foresight. CDs are already obsolete, DVDs will follow. In 5 years time I'll own a hd containing 1,000 films in dvd quality. But we've had this discussion before. :)

[orac]

a few questions.. for Twilightseer

1) why is the 1982 album called 'Pornography' - is it likely to offend me?

2) is the trilogy dvd good? - say compare all the live Disintegration tracks on Entreat with the ones on the trilogy dvd.. I really like Entreat - am I likely to be disappointed? Overall The dvd looks very interesting - only heard about it on this thread..

I have Bloodflowers and I like it..

[ShyShy]

Originally posted by orac
a few questions.. for Twilightseer

1) why is the 1982 album called 'Pornography' - is it likely to offend me?

I have Bloodflowers and I like it..

@first quote, not sure on the reasoning, 'seer will give you hte breakdown on that, but, no, no offensive material in it.

@second quote, dude, I see jaws dropping on that one.

[Cylob]

Originally posted by ShyShy
@second quote, dude, I see jaws dropping on that one.

*tongue lolling around the floor of my mouth*

I've only heard Bloodflowers 4 times, it's the sound of a band out of ideas. But I'll listen to it again today on the way up the hill. From memory I'm not expecting much, I think there was one half-decent track.

[orac]

totally disagree - and so did most reviews.. it has at least three quarters of the album as very good tracks..

[Cylob]

By this evening I'll have heard it 5 times. You can make a definitive judgement on 5 listens.....

[orac]

Bloodflowers (2000) - Brief overview... haven't heard enough to instantly remember each track without the music playing in front of me..


Yeah good start... acousticy track..
1. Out of This World (Smith) - 6:43

Then a mammoth heavier track - which I really like..
2. Watching Me Fall (Smith) - 11:13

Good catchy song..
4. Maybe Someday (Smith) - 5:04

This one is superb.. "the fire is almost out"..
9. 39 (Smith) - 7:19

Good "distintigration" type track..
10. Bloodflowers (Smith) - 7:31

Be interested to see the whole of it live on this DVD I am getting..

[Cylob]

I've upgraded my opinion of Bloodflowers, it ain't half bad:

1. Out of This World - A nice ethereal number, great riff going.
2. Watching me Fall - Definitely a mammoth (I prefer the term 'monolithic'). It's about 2 minutes too long if anything.
3. Where the Birds Always Sing - Nice acoustic track, probably my favourite.
4. Maybe Someday - Pop tune.....
5. Coming Up - Another load of acoustics, nice percussion as well.
6. The Last Day of Summer - Not much substance to this track - probably the but-end of the album
7. TBA
8. TBA
9. TBA
10. TBA

Why didn't I like it first time round? 1 - it's a summery album that was released in mid-winter. 2 - Wild Mood Swings had lowered expectations to zero. 3 - Other releases of the time were better. I realise it's a good album now. :)

[orac]

cool.. don't like what I heard of pornography (production is dreadful.. reminds me of M25).. have to see what the live versions are like...

The live trilogy should of been - Distintigration, Wish & Bloodflowers, I reckon - thats the best of the Cure 1989 - 2000

[Cylob]

Originally posted by orac
The live trilogy should of been - Distintigration, Wish & Bloodflowers, I reckon - thats the best of the Cure 1989 - 2000
Well you couldn't count Wild Mood Swings, even the cover's bad. Anyway, I'm not one to dwell on the bad.:)

What did you mean by M25 orac???

[Cylob]

I've just realised "Out of This World" is "Pictures of You" with a riff. There's a very strong resemblance.

[ShyShy]

Hehe, I'm showing my brother this thread right now, and he was telling me that he just caught a commercial for Kodak with the song "Pictures of You" in the background. And Cylob, he's checking out "Out of This World" right now, says it sounds nothing like Pictures of you. :p

[Cylob]

Bollox!!!! It is Pictures of You. My sock puppet's nodding his head in agreement. Your brother may be thrown by the My Bloody Valentine-esq riff, but a tune's a tune.

[ShyShy]

I heard the similarity though, we got into quite the discussion on it, lol. Don't be surprised to see the bro pop up here in Music O'Rama.

[Cylob]

We'll be nice to him. ;)

[ShyShy]

That's exactly what I'm worried about. :weird: Your smilie has a shifty look to it.

[Cylob]

How can an emoticon have a persona??? It's the medication isn't it? Tell your brother we need his valued input here at the forum. He'll be among friends, I look forward to a good debate about "Out of This World". There's nothing to lose, everything to gain!

[LollipopLustKil]

I'm not about to read this entire post (a lil lazy 2day), but I love The Cure. Not to mention I just heard "Friday I'm in Love" in Spencer's Gifts the other day. :D

[ShyShy]

Yay! Another one lured in!!!! Yipee!

[Twilightseer]

WOW ! I go to Greece for 1 week, go back and this thread ha progressed. Excellent :)

Orac, to answer your questions

1) http://www.ping.be/cure/stories/013/frmain.htm

Explanation by Smith himself. :)

2) The Trilogy DVD is technically good, musically, it's sort of confusing. The band seems focused but Cooper ruins it all on the drums although he does a better job on the Bloodflowers songs. The singing itself is not that great and the Disintegration songs were clearly better on Entreat. Apparently, many fans liked the DVD (I got flak on a French Cure board for posting my opinion), let's just say I've played it once since I bought it.

[orac]

thanks for link..

I got the DVD.. from what I have seen it looks and sounds great.. Cylob and myself are going to watch the Disintigration and Bloodflowers shows this week..

Whats the best way to rip this to mp3?

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by orac
thanks for link..

I got the DVD.. from what I have seen it looks and sounds great.. Cylob and myself are going to watch the Disintigration and Bloodflowers shows this week..

Whats the best way to rip this to mp3?

Get Besweet, its gui and the Vob input plug-in here

http://dspguru.doom9.org

Rip your dvd activating the "split by chapter options". Then, unzip all the besweet stuff to a folder, fire it up, set the encoder of your choice, open the batch mode window, drag all your vobs there, click encode, done :)

[orac]

how do i "Rip your dvd activating the "split by chapter options", please

[Twilightseer]

Get DVDDecrypter to rip the DVD

www.dvddecrypter.com

Then, in the options, you should see a "file splitting" option, in the dropdown list select "by Chapters".

[orac]

dunno if I have sufficient HD space... is there another program that will record it realtime? total recorder seems to screw up my sound card settings..

[MakSa]

Originally posted by Cylob
How can an emoticon have a persona??? It's the medication isn't it? Tell your brother we need his valued input here at the forum. He'll be among friends, I look forward to a good debate about "Out of This World". There's nothing to lose, everything to gain!


Hey what's up, it's Shyshy's brother:cool:or should I say elvis has entered the forum. Yes I am a big Cure fan and other british groups that were big in the 80's.

[MakSa]

My Cure days goes back to Boys don't Cry. I can recall the first time listening to the band at a school field trip in a bus. It was the perfect tape at the moment. I do agree that Kiss Me.., and Disentigration was their best. Head On the Door is there to. I always wondered what was with the constent band member change.
I would like to know more on the DVD that the Cure released. I've pretty much listened to all of the albums except some Unreleased tracks. In Orange at Paris I think that came out in the late 80's was the only time I witness the cure perform.

[ShyShy]

Hey, MakSa, remind me that I need to go through your collection sometime this week. Gotta look for some stuff :D

[Cylob]

Hello and welcome MakSa! :up: It's very nice to meet a fellow Cure fan.:)

What other British groups are you into?? I have yet to meet a forumer who's into Siouxsie, The Jesus & Mary Chain, My Bloody Valentine, Curve, Ride, Lush, Primal Scream, any of the C86 bands that formed in 1986 (to name a few).

ShyShy has excellent taste (we love her), I assume it's in no small part to you......

[Twilightseer]

Welcome MakSa :)

Cylob,

I've always promised myself to listen to Curve stuff, considering they toured with The Cure in 1992 opening for them, they must be good.
What should I start with ?

[Cylob]

I must open a Curve thread (the temptation's too great)......

[Cylob]

The Cure DVD soon at orac's.:) I've got my 3D glasses ready.
http://www.photo3-d.com/graphics/products/800p.gif

[MakSa]

I'm a big cure fan dating from Boys Don't Cry era. I have listened to most of the albums/Cd's except for some rare B-side unreleased. I do think that Bloodflowers is pretty much the ending of the Cure, untill some old members can rejoin. I don't think that is going to happen. Kiss Me.., and Disentigration I think was the last of the true Cure sound.

Glad to join the forum. It's nice to see that people still listen to the Cure.

[Cylob]

Originally posted by MakSa
Kiss Me.., and Disentigration I think was the last of the true Cure sound.

I agree there MakSa. What happened was they saw alot of up-and-coming bands in 89,90 and 91, and wanted to imitate some of it. Which is why I can hear Ride and My Bloody Valentine in Wish and Bloodflowers.

But I suppose everyone borrows from everyone. I could name 10 bands that have borrowed heavilly from The Cure, Slowdive for instance stole various baselines.

[Twilightseer]

Wish was indeed sort of a tribute to all of the shoegazing guitar bands that emerged in the early 90s, most of which had The Cure as an obvious influence.

At least, the B-side boxset (now scheduled for Jan 2004) will allow us to hear some cool tracks with the best band members; as long as Cooper and Bamonte remain in the band, The Cure will not be able to rise to its old level :(

[Cylob]

Okay then 'seer, how about The Cure invite bands to do a second Mixed-Up album??? Seeing as the first was so good.:)

[Cylob]

What's this 'Forbidden Toxic Medicine' compilation that's sloshing around the internet??? 10 or so remixes....... I'm trying to net the thing.

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
What's this 'Forbidden Toxic Medicine' compilation that's sloshing around the internet??? 10 or so remixes....... I'm trying to net the thing.

Probably a bootleg compilation, I think I remember seeing it once, not official that's for sure :)

Never thought I'd say that but now, I'd really like Robert to release his solo record.

[sidd]

does anyone else like wish?
its my fav albumn, but no other hardcore cure fans ever seem to like it.

:|

[Twilightseer]

I like Wish, though it's never been a fave of mine. It's a pure rock record but I think that most tracks off it are way better played live (esp Open, Cut, End), the album is somehow overproduced but some songs on it are some of my fave cure numbers ( To Wish Impossible Thins, Apart, A Letter To Elise) :)

[sidd]

what about edge of the deep green sea
thats among my fav cure songs

and your totaly right, most songs on that albumn come across better live, but ive always thought that the album itself has a really cool feel.

[Cylob]

I find Wish to be eclectic, almost a compilation album. But that's what happens when your head's in 3 or 4 places. They were going to record 2 albums - 1 pop and 1 more serious, but they just did the 1 (which was neither). Some of my favourite tracks are on Wish, Open is as good as anything they've done (past, present or future).

To change subject, I think the percussion on Bloodflowers is excellent.:) Well done Jason.

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
To change subject, I think the percussion on Bloodflowers is excellent.:) Well done Jason.

Erm, smoked some bad stuff today, Cylob ? :D
Seriously what tracks in particular ? Jason may be acceptable on percussion, but for proper drumming, he's hopeless (he ruins Maybe Someday and 39 with his lousy drumming).

[Cylob]

I always thought he did a good job on Maybe Someday. He fits the melody like a glove there.:)

[orac]

many people considered Mixed Up to be a robert smith project and didn't actually like it.. I do, but they would be daft to do another one..

I agree with Cylob... whats wrong with the drumming on Bloodflowers? Sounds good to me - especially on 39

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by orac
I agree with Cylob... whats wrong with the drumming on Bloodflowers? Sounds good to me - especially on 39

Well, take a listen to "Disintegration" (the song) for real drumming :D

[ShyShy]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
Well, take a listen to "Disintegration" (the song) for real drumming :D


:up: that was an awesome one. And yeah, Cylob, I think you got a bad brew or something. :D

[Cylob]

I'm not saying Bloodflowers is up to Disintegration standards (did I say that)????? If I did, I deserve a good kicking.:)

All in all, I think Bloodflowers is good for a band 20+ years old. The percussion fits the style. It's not a great album by any standards, but good enough.

[ShyShy]

Hmm, you've seem to mellow about Bloodflowers over the last couple of pages.

And Wish was a decent album. Haven't listened to it in awhile though. I'll have to hit my brother's collection :D

[Twilightseer]

I clearly remember the first time I listened to Bloodflowers, I was lying on my bed and song after song, I thought " They've completely lost it". I hated the album, then it grew on me thanks to some excellent songs 'Watching Me Fall, Last Day Of Summer, The Loudest Sound' but I've always considered it as second-class Cure.
I really wish they released another record as important as Faith or Disintegation, but I don't think it's gonna happen, which is sad.

[ShyShy]

Hey 'seer! Any more noise on the box set yet?

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by ShyShy
Hey 'seer! Any more noise on the box set yet?

It's been officially pushed back to January 2004, which, in Cure terms, means we'll probably get our hands on it in November 2008 :rolleyes:
As to the new album, recording is supposed to start soon (has been for two years now :D), with Ross Robinson as producer and (sadly), Cooper still on drums.

[ShyShy]

Jesus freakin' christ (sorry about that). Can they quit with the mass teasing already?

[Twilightseer]

About the teasing thing : it's always been a component of the Cure and clearly not my fave. Rumours about the B-side boxset started around 97/98, rumours about Robert's solo album started in 1984, the end of the band was announced in 1982, 1987, 1989,2000 and so on... :(

[orac]

I think for a band thats been around for 25 years (dont know exact time.. Twilightseer - do you?) Bloodflowers is a very good album.. many long time bands cannot do this.. I can think of 2 that can.. New Order and U2..

I watched some of the Bloodflowers set on the Cure Trilogy DVD and it has some very good songs on it...

[Twilightseer]

To answer your question orac, The Cure has officially been in existence since 1976, releasing their first single in 1978 so that indeed makes 25 years.

Also, I don't say Bloodflowers is bad, it's just that it's not great when it had the potential to be, it was disappointing by the band's standards which still makes it superior to much of the stuff we can hear anyway :)

[orac]

but after wild mood swings who would of thought the cure would be able to do something as good as bloodflowers?

[ShyShy]

http://www.blankandjones.de/aforest/html/frame_e_video.html

Here's a clip of the Blan & Jones w/ Robert video for A Forest, WARNING: it's on Real Player.

Ohhhh, Cylob, I saw that Cure is going to do a benefit concert in London on December 11 for something or the other. Let us know about any reviews, ok? :D

[Cylob]

Check out nme.com/reviews on 12 December ShyShy. Their ferret will be at the gig (at the bar until the last possible minute).

Cheers for the Forest link dude.:)

[ShyShy]

You're welcome, Cylob, I'm just surprised no one else has linked before. And I will definitly check out that review :D

[Twilightseer]

As usual, bumping the thread for news.

First, it seems that Blank & Jones have decided to use up their "A Forest" remixes thing since they are releasing yet another CD with remixes and various other tracks for a special edition of the single. I'm ranting because I'm a tad fed up with always hearing the same songs remixed but well, Blank and Jones are good at that :)

Apart from that, "Believe", the song whose lyrics Robert wrote and sang for the next Earl Slick album will be the first single off said album and should be released in January 2004.

12 January 2004 is also the new tentative date for the release of the B-sides collection "Join the dots" (which I'm sure will be postponed to 2007 in the next news bulletin :rolleyes: ).

In short, not much happening. And in fact, I find myself less and less interested in what the band does. Considering the awful line-up is not about to change, and that I find other acts to be very interesting at the moment, my taste for Cure music is sort of going down.

Stay tuned anyway, who knows, Cooper may still be fired and then... ;) :D

[Cylob]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
Stay tuned anyway, who knows, Cooper may still be fired and then... ;) :D Give it up 'seer - Cooper's here to stay! Him and Smith are best buddies.

Their MTV Unplugged set wasn't bad, I have it in my download queue.:)

[Twilightseer]

Are you talking about the 1991 performance ? Yes, it's absolutely awesome, way better than anything on 'Acoustic hits'.

[Cylob]

Yeah, the 1991 set. I just searched for 'MTV Unplugged' and ended up with a disc full. The Duran Duran and Bjork sets are good as well.

[Cylob]

Dare I say it, the R.E.M. set was pretty good. They were a good band pre - 'Automatic for the People'.:)

[Twilightseer]

Here's this concert's setlist for anyone interested :).


Lullaby
Just Like Heaven
Let's Go To Bed
If Only Tonight We Could Sleep
The Caterpillar
In Your House
The Walk
A Letter To Elise
The Blood
Time Has Told Me ( Cover of the Nick Drake Song)
M
Boys Don't Cry

[Cylob]

That was quick! I find 'The Walk' almost comical, but back then they could do anything and get away with it.

[ShyShy]

Ker Bump!!!

My brother just bought the DVD collection. He watched it this past week, said it took him two days to do so. Soooo.... I'll be snagging it tomorrow, and start watching it myself :D:D:D

[Twilightseer]

The B-sides compilation is announced for January 13th, it's a 4-cd set indeed called "Join The Dots". Here is the track list.

THE BOXSET - 500+ MINUTES WORTH - CONTAINS...
THE CURE - JOIN THE DOTS - B-SIDES AND RARITIES 1979-2001 - THE FICTION YEARS

CD1 (1979 - 1987)
01. 10:15 SATURDAY NIGHT
02. PLASTIC PASSION
03. PILLBOX TALES
04. DO THE HANSA
05. I'M COLD
06. ANOTHER JOURNEY BY TRAIN
07. DESCENT
08. SPLINTERED IN HER HEAD
09. LAMENT (flexipop version)
10. JUST ONE KISS
11. THE DREAM
12. THE UPSTAIRS ROOM
13. LAMENT
14. SPEAK MY LANGUAGE
15. MR PINK EYES
16. HAPPY THE MAN
17. THROW YOUR FOOT
18. NEW DAY
19. THE EXPLODING BOY
20. A FEW HOURS AFTER THIS...
21. A MAN INSIDE MY MOUTH
22. STOP DEAD

CD2 (1987 - 1992)
01. A JAPANESE DREAM
02. BREATHE
03. A CHAIN OF FLOWERS
04. SNOW IN SUMMER
05. SUGAR GIRL
06. ICING SUGAR (weird remix)
07. HEY YOU!!! (kevorkian 12" remix)
08. HOW BEAUTIFUL YOU ARE (clearmountain 7" remix)
09. TO THE SKY
10. BABBLE
11. OUT OF MIND
12. 2 LATE
13. FEAR OF GHOSTS
14. HELLO I LOVE YOU (psychedelic version)
15. HELLO I LOVE YOU
16. HELLO I LOVE YOU (10sec version)
17. HAROLD AND JOE
18. JUST LIKE HEAVEN ('chuck' remix)

CD3 (1992 - 1996)
01. THIS TWILIGHT GARDEN
02. PLAY
03. HALO
04. SCARED AS YOU
05. THE BIG HAND
06. A FOOLISH ARRANGEMENT
07. DOING THE UNSTUCK (saunders 12" remix)
08. PURPLE HAZE (virgin radio version)
09. PURPLE HAZE
10. BURN
11. YOUNG AMERICANS
12. DREDD SONG
13. IT USED TO BE ME
14. OCEAN
15. ADONAIS

CD4 (1996 - 2001)
01. HOME
02. WAITING
03. A PINK DREAM
04. THIS IS A LIE (palmer remix)
05. WRONG NUMBER (smith remix)
06. MORE THAN THIS
07. WORLD IN MY EYES
08. POSSESSION
09. OUT OF THIS WORLD (oakenfold remix)
10. MAYBE SOMEDAY (hedges remix)
11. COMING UP
12. SIGNAL TO NOISE (acoustic version)
13. SIGNAL TO NOISE
14. JUST SAY YES(curve remix)
15. A FOREST (plati/slick version)

:)
One new song (Possession), lots of most excellent songs, stuff missing and some crappy remixes no one wants to hear.
Everything normal :p

[Cylob]

Is 'Halo' another Depeche Mode cover??

I'm gonna check my internet supplier to see if there's any 'advance' stock.:)

The Just Say Yes (Curve Remix) ain't that good (for Curve standards). Starts off like a fax machine, jagged guitars, ends up sounding like Atari Teenage Riot.:eek: Maybe it's a grower....

Track listing again (the page flicked).
CD1 (1979 - 1987)
01. 10:15 SATURDAY NIGHT
02. PLASTIC PASSION
03. PILLBOX TALES
04. DO THE HANSA
05. I'M COLD
06. ANOTHER JOURNEY BY TRAIN
07. DESCENT
08. SPLINTERED IN HER HEAD
09. LAMENT (flexipop version)
10. JUST ONE KISS
11. THE DREAM
12. THE UPSTAIRS ROOM
13. LAMENT
14. SPEAK MY LANGUAGE
15. MR PINK EYES
16. HAPPY THE MAN
17. THROW YOUR FOOT
18. NEW DAY
19. THE EXPLODING BOY
20. A FEW HOURS AFTER THIS...
21. A MAN INSIDE MY MOUTH
22. STOP DEAD

CD2 (1987 - 1992)
01. A JAPANESE DREAM
02. BREATHE
03. A CHAIN OF FLOWERS
04. SNOW IN SUMMER
05. SUGAR GIRL
06. ICING SUGAR (weird remix)
07. HEY YOU!!! (kevorkian 12" remix)
08. HOW BEAUTIFUL YOU ARE (clearmountain 7" remix)
09. TO THE SKY
10. BABBLE
11. OUT OF MIND
12. 2 LATE
13. FEAR OF GHOSTS
14. HELLO I LOVE YOU (psychedelic version)
15. HELLO I LOVE YOU
16. HELLO I LOVE YOU (10sec version)
17. HAROLD AND JOE
18. JUST LIKE HEAVEN ('chuck' remix)

CD3 (1992 - 1996)
01. THIS TWILIGHT GARDEN
02. PLAY
03. HALO
04. SCARED AS YOU
05. THE BIG HAND
06. A FOOLISH ARRANGEMENT
07. DOING THE UNSTUCK (saunders 12" remix)
08. PURPLE HAZE (virgin radio version)
09. PURPLE HAZE
10. BURN
11. YOUNG AMERICANS
12. DREDD SONG
13. IT USED TO BE ME
14. OCEAN
15. ADONAIS

CD4 (1996 - 2001)
01. HOME
02. WAITING
03. A PINK DREAM
04. THIS IS A LIE (palmer remix)
05. WRONG NUMBER (smith remix)
06. MORE THAN THIS
07. WORLD IN MY EYES
08. POSSESSION
09. OUT OF THIS WORLD (oakenfold remix)
10. MAYBE SOMEDAY (hedges remix)
11. COMING UP
12. SIGNAL TO NOISE (acoustic version)
13. SIGNAL TO NOISE
14. JUST SAY YES(curve remix)
15. A FOREST (plati/slick version)

[Twilightseer]

No, The Cure's "Halo" is not another DM cover, it's an original song, a b-side from the Wish era :)

Needless to say, I'll be buying the boxset. Most of the songs on this collection are incredible and heck, hearing the Cure without Cooper again is a joy I don't wanna miss :D

[ShyShy]

You've got that effigy of Cooper ready to burn, 'seer? :D

[Cylob]

I'm beginning to dislike Cooper myself. His website REALLY SUCKS (you can't right-click on the photos). Bummer, I was going to photoshop a tit on his head.

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by ShyShy
You've got that effigy of Cooper ready to burn, 'seer? :D

LOL :D

Cylob, please link to the Photoshopped pic when it's ready, I don't wanna miss that :p

Seriously, his drumming on Trilogy is terrible. On 'Plainsong', you just can't hear the drums. I checked out Muse's live video 'Hullabaloo' right after that and then, you get to see what a drummer really is :D

[ScorLibran]

The Birth Of A Cure Fan

OK, I just spent an hour of my life reading this thread. Twice. MAINLY because the people in it are people I trust implicitly in this forum, so I knew it wouldn't be time wasted. Let me start by saying that I used to hate The Cure. **ducks rotten tomatoes thrown from all directions** I grew up in their heyday, too, and somehow avoided the "addiction". I remember dating a girl who loved them, and I could not understand why.

Then, I started to "come around". Years ago I bought Staring At The Sea. Then later I bought Galore. Grrrradually listening to them more and more. Learned to play four Cure songs on electric bass, and even played them on stage a few times with a cover band we had in PA, circa 1997-1998 (Just Like Heaven, Fascination Street, Lovesong, Close To Me). The addiction still hadn't "taken hold" yet, though. The Cure was "just another band" to me.

In years since, The Cure has gotten more and more frequent playtime for me. In recent months, my (still) only two Cure albums are among my most frequently played in WA. The addiction begins to surface.

More time goes by, and then I read this thread. It was final straw. Right now, Primary is playing, as a matter of fact, and I'm admitting that I'm totally hooked. And I'm elated to hear about the upcoming box set. There's my next Amazon pre-order. And until it comes out, I'll be buying every other Cure album I can possibly find.

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone in this thread for giving me the push I needed to dive headlong into this fantastic band. I've been swimming around in psychedelic rock and riot grrrl for the past year or so. And now I'm dying to get into The Cure. I feel like a wanker for only having the "greatest hits" compilations as my only Cure albums for so long. Now I know where all the money I receive for Christmas is going to! :D

**Looking around for the Stuart Spector 4-string** Maybe I can even remember some notes from years back... :)

[Cylob]

Well, the birth of a Cure fan is much better than the death of a Cure fan.;) They've contributed much to my life.

[Twilightseer]

Glad we helped, Scor, and welcome to the club :)

Trust me, you won't be disappointed with the B-Sides compilation, masterpieces galore on that. "Primary" is such an awesome song, it's one of the songs that got me hooked on The Cure. Have lots of fun discovering their albums and of course, feel free to post here for any kind of recommendations/impressions/questions, we'll be glad to help :)

[ShyShy]

Yes, yes, welcome Scor! Great to see ya in here :D

My brother had told me that he originally planned to give me the Cure DVD set for Xmas, but he just couldn't wait to watch it, soooo I got DM's set instead! Will watch and give you a review in that particular thread in a couple of days :D

[Twilightseer]

Time for a bump :D

Just to say that Join The Dots has been released and although it's not as complete as I hoped, it still kicks ass, especially the Wish era b-sides with incredible drumming from Boris Williams :eek:
The least good part if of course the latest stuff (Cooper plays on it, that's why) but heck, this is an impressive collection :)

[Cylob]

You've convinced me 'seer - COOPER SUCKS!!!!

BTW, what is this 'Play For Today' compilation?

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
You've convinced me 'seer - COOPER SUCKS!!!!

BTW, what is this 'Play For Today' compilation?

Any link ? Sounds like it could be a bootleg. "Play For Today" is a song on "Seventeed Secondn", it was also featured on "Staring At The Sea".
Any more info ?

[Cylob]

I'll get a track listing when I get home.... it could be an unofficial collection of b-sides/demos from the Seventeen Seconds era.

[Twilightseer]

http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/boots/playfortoday.html

could it be this one ?

[Cylob]

Possibly..... I think it included Let's Go to Bed.

I'll have a look later.

[Cylob]

Yes, it did turn out to be that very compilation. A rather pointless anthology really.:(

Thanks 'seer.:)

[Twilightseer]

No problem :)

Actually, I'm listening to the Cure right now. The B-side compilation boxset is really cool, especially the B-sides from the Wish era. Now if only they decided it was high time to make such music again...

[Cylob]

I'll be very surprised if they did.... do they still have it in them?

And I'm an optimist.:D

[Twilightseer]

Well, I'm sure that Smith still has the talent. The problem I think is that the people around him influence his writing and then, it all depends on who is on your side. Porl Thompson and Boris Williams were creative as musicians: first, they had their own, well-defined style and second of all, they were not only here to play what was written for them, they suggested their own ideas and enriched the material they were given. Now, I don't see how Bamonte (tepid Thompson understudy) and Cooper (the first guy who plays drums on cushions) could have a positive influence on the things to come. "Possession", the Bloodflowers outtake featured on Join The Dots seems to show it : vapid people have vapid influences and yet, you can still feel the talent is here, it just needs better conditions to burst open.

[Cylob]

I've no doubt the talent's there, but what about the drive?

Maybe Robert should collaborate with other artists - example, Curve did alot of work on Gary Numan's latest album. Okay, so it sounded like Curve with Gary on vocals, but Robert would benefit from input from other artists.

Lock him in a studio with Kevin Sheilds and Bobby Gillespie. For fun, why not add Peaches.:D

[Cylob]

Has anyone heard of 'The Essence'?

They're a Cure clone band, they sound EXACTLY like the real thing. Discog:

1984 - Last Flight
1988 - Ecstacy
1999 - Purity
1999 - A Moment of Trust
2000 - Broken Promises
2003 - Glow

You can either love 'em for following the Cure or hate 'em for the imitation. I'm in the former camp.:):up:

[Twilightseer]

They're a Dutch band from what I remember. Never heard them but I think I'm gonna give them a listen.
Thx cylob :)

[Cylob]

Be warned, it's a shocking experience.:D

I thought I was listening to the real deal.

[Twilightseer]

INDEED :eek: It absolutely sounds like The Cure, it's frightening.

MP3 samples here for those interested :

http://www.redsunrecords.nl/main/visit.php3?id=278

:eek:

[Cylob]

Well, there you go.

Another 6 albums to collect.:)

The real bonus is, Jason ain't on drums.

[ShyShy]

Holy shit, you two are right! :eek: From the sample so kindly provided by 'seer, it does sound like The Cure. Nice find, guys :up:

[Cylob]

I'm playing the album Ecstacy at the minute. It's freaking me out... Now, I'm off to find a pic of the band.:D

Here we are....

http://www.xs4all.nl/~essence/pics/pub.jpg

From their website (http://www.xs4all.nl/~essence/).

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
Well, there you go.

Another 6 albums to collect.:)

The real bonus is, Jason ain't on drums.

You are so right :)

Their official website also has a couple of full-length mp3 for download

http://www.xs4all.nl/~essence/music.htm

Really nice stuff. So much better than "Da Hype", this horrible dance track Smith has provided vocals for :rolleyes:

[Twilightseer]

Bumping again :D

For those interested, worthwile news. Tonight, on Jay Leno, The Cure is supposed to be performing the first single taken from their new album. The single is called "The End Of World" (Somehow, I doubt it'll be a cover of the excellent PSB song of the same name :D). The new album is due on June 21st, is produced by Ross Robinson (of Korn fame), supposedly contains 14 tracks and its title is unknown so far.

And apparently, Cooper's still in the band. Anyway, I'm waiting for this with more curiosity than real excitement but who knows, maybe I'll be surprised.

Stay tuned folks :)

[ShyShy]

Ooooooo... got the rotten tomatoes handy, 'seer?

But, cool news indeed :D

[Cylob]

Says in NME June 21st release........ indeed.

They had BETTER!

[Twilightseer]

Album details here

http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000500179

I know I shouldn't judge beforehand, but the track titles look dubious to me. "Jason #3" alone makes me shiver :igor:

[lostonline]

I didn't think I had any Cure tracks when I started reading this thread then had a dig through my collection and found a couple and liked what I heard. Have now got Disintegration on it's way, and am looking forward to listening to it. :D

[Cylob]

You're in for a treat Chris.:)

The only album to avoid is 'Wild Mood Swings'. Trust me, it'll lower the tone of your whole collection! The fact that it exists keeps me awake at night.:cry:

MUGSHOT:
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c591/c59162iu6h2.jpg

Any other Cure material is worth it....

[lostonline]

I've got hold of some Cure:
The Head On The Door
Staring At The Sea (The Singles)
Disintegration
Faith
Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me
Pornography
Greatest Hits (just for the accoustic versions on second disc)

I've only properly listened to Disintegration so far and am liking what I hear so far, just need time to listen to the rest without being disturbed by other things all the time. :)

[ShyShy]

Awesome start, lostonline :D:up:

[lostonline]

Thank you! Recommendations from people with good taste in music is the best way to help find music to get :D

[Cylob]

Nice start Chris, but 3 essentials missing!

Mixed Up
Entreat
Wish

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[Twilightseer]

So Cylob, listened to "The End Of The World" ?
I'm listening to it right now but am having a hard time getting used to it. I'm really scared for the next album :(

[lostonline]

Originally posted by Cylob
Nice start Chris, but 3 essentials missing!

Mixed Up
Entreat
Wish

I've just added them to my list of music to get :D

[siebe83]

I'm posting to subscribe :D
Just bought a greatest hits cd by the Cure. Am a bit disappointed though. It turned out to be an advertising cd at the same time. Why put a 2 years old song on a greatest hits cd? How can that be a 'greatest hit'? ('Just Say Yes')
I like the older ones more...
A Forest and Lullaby (and Close to Me) are my favourites.
Yeah, I know those are the popular ones, but heh, just a beginning cure fan :)

[lostonline]

@siebe83: A good intro to the cure is Disintegration, after that try "Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me". That's just from my relatively short time listening to The Cure, obviously there are people in here who've heard more of their stuff than me but I went with the two above as a starter by recommendation (cheers ShyShy ;))

[siebe83]

ok, cool, thanks
i'll see what i can get :p
i should've read this thread before i bought :D

[Syndphrenik]

The Cure.....is poisoning the airwaves. When America decides to take after certain attributes of past generations (which usually reflect around a 10-20 year ratio), they should learn what to leave behind. The Cure is one of them. It's not that they're horrible, it's that they are deciding to jump on the 20-year nut-swinging ratio that the rest of us (except me) are doing.

If we're not careful, we'll all be sporting Bobby Brown haircuts and Hammer pants within the next 5 or 6 years.