how to stream uing a website

[tzahin]

Well, finally i figured-out how to make this NSV stream to work. :)

but now i have a new problem. my DSL service provider allows me dounload speed of 750K and upload speed of 95K, that means that it is very much impossible to brodcast NSV video files (i can't even stream to 1 person).

however i touht about a teoretic solution. i have a free hosted web site (provided by anglefire), and it looks like they provide me 10 gigs of download monthly.

my question is, is it possible that my internet server can send the video feed to this site (i uses nsv files), and my users can connect to the site and see the feed form there (channeling trouh the site)? it will solve me two problems.
1. i can brodcast to many pepole
2. i won't be handicaped by my internet service provider.

if it's possible, plz tell me how to set this up (do i need to configure a server on my site and if os how do i do that), if it's not possible plz trow me a bone here, i'm totaly despert :)

thanx a bunch!
zack

p.s. NULLSOFT WINAMP RULES ! :winamp:

[Jay]

what you describe is called on-demand, you cannot run a live stream from a website. You also have to remember that NSV is much more bandwidth intensive then that, a single stream will consume well over 50GB per month if viewed by one person for an entire month. I am not sure if NSV supports on-demand yet, I would assume so, if you want to go ahead with on-demand just upload your NSV files to your anglefire account and create a playlist that contains the url to each file and link to that playlist.

[della]

this is in fact possible, provided that:

1. you are allowed to run CGI scripts on that angelfire server (it isnt allowed me thinks..)
2. they dont limit your cpu-time (mostly cgi scripts arent allowed to run forever, they get killed by the calling server to avoid DoS attacks
3. u are a guru :) (or have access to one


if all the above applies:

1. make 2 streams (one audio only and one video only)

2. make a cgi-script that accepts images or vid data in some certain format and post this to angelfire (or do it via ftp (youll have to make a utility for this) (u could for instance create a shared file
that can do a rollover and some shared file to handle the pointers into to vid

3. next make another cgi-script that the uses the Server-Push method
and there ya go


in other words:


Main-Server --> video (nsvs vid only) --> angelfire (scripts) -->
|
|-- listeners (audio)

then the users simply connect to the script running on angelfire

*coughs*

[tzahin]

thank you KXRM, i took you advice. however, unfortunatlly angelfire support only 1 gig of data, when i placed the NSV file, i've tried it twice and in the third time i was informed that angelfire suspended my site for two hours bacause i have over-used my available speed. That also tells me that the method della sugested won't work also (and if it can be worked - i'm too dumb to do all this scripts etc.).
that takes two steps back to the drawing board :) ,
i was wondering if someone can think about another way to do this, have someone heard about someone who gives this network power for free (you know - like those companies that give free hosting and all that stuff...), is there any way to use two (or more) computers upload internet power (for example: my pc and 2 of my friends pc's) , to send one feed of video and audio (i think that all the peep to peer softeware's are doing that,i think).

please help me, i'm dieing for this!
zack.

[della]

ooooooow @ angelfire :/

I wouldnt know about those streaming companies

If you'd use 2 or more pc's to upload the audio and video
then listeners would need to have 2 players, one for vid and one for audio (applies to my first msg too).

Anyway, you have a huge bandwidth problem and the only way to solve it the good way is lowering the bitrates. Then let some friends relay
your stream and just have peace with it :) (using peercast or whatever is at hand), so yes that is possible, however..the bitrates

I used to be a webmaster/software programmer
for a temporary internet station during about 2 years with some other people, we had this golden rule of streams that where max 56 kbps (vid included). We even used less sometimes, cause we had an audience
that was still on dialup (the so called 28k Massive).
To be frank, we left the vid out most of times cause it would only clogg up the dj's connection.
And no, we didnt have smooth video, but at least ya could see what the dj was doing, and sometimes..whoo, even see the ppl dance in clubs.

Perhaps grab some cam-software and just stream audio, that saves You bandwidth, and it lets the listeners choose to stare at you (this is also practical because more people will be able to listen, not everybody has good connections yet these days)

Cheers :)

[DJ too]

50 gigs /month sounds right, so:

do you need 50 gigs/month per viewer?!

would the bandwidth equation be:

bitrate * 60seconds * 60 minutes * 24 hours * 30 days

???

i'm also trying to see the feasiblity of a nsv stream

[DJ too]

oh yeah...
don't real streams and stuff just use like one outgoing stream?
you know what i mean.. aren't streams usually just the bitrate being sent out once?

[Jeeper One]

Originally posted by KXRM
what you describe is called on-demand, you cannot run a live stream from a website.Add the words THAT YOU DO NOT OWN. As such, unless you happen to work for the Terra Lycos system (or you own it), you won't be able to set up a LIVE stream from there alone.

But you CAN pre-record a show HOWEVER, you have to keep this in mind....NSV is much more bandwidth intensive then that, a single stream will consume well over 50GB per month if viewed by one person for an entire month.Depending on the length of the show and how many times you produce new versions of it. I am not sure if NSV supports on-demand yet, I would assume so, if you want to go ahead with on-demand just upload your NSV files to your anglefire account and create a playlist that contains the url to each file and link to that playlist. The only thing you have to worry about is a little something called FILE SIZE. Being a member of Angelfire's sister network, Tripod, you're only allowed 20 MB (that's MEGABYTES, which is SMALLER than gigabytes) of OVERALL space, so you're really gonna have to go with almost a dialup bitrate (you may be able to get away with broadband depending on the size of the file, but it'd be awful tough), though I've never really tried it (yet!) so I really attest to this in full, but I know I'm AT LEAST partially right. :)

BTW....Not to sound like an NSV genius or anything (In fact, I'm quite the opposite), but I know how to encode with NSV (I finally figured that out after about 200 attempts [and being quite vocal about it in various threads in this forum in the process] :) ), I know that Winamp 3 is really THE best way to go when it comes to viewing the stuff I encode. I've pretty much got this part down pat. :) I just need to figure out out HOW to get my stuff to YOU - the viewing public. :) And producing a show using ON DEMAND NSV wouldn't be a bad way to start either. :)

Lastly, here's another thing you might look at doing. DUMP THE DSL AND GO CABLE. I did and I've NEVER had any regrets. :)

Cheers for now :)

Patrick Cook
Proud Member - Electronic Frontier Foundation - http://www.eff.org/
Program Director
Jeeper One Radio Network
KPDC Internet TV - REAL Web TV
Denver, Colorado
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[Surr3al]

If you want to stream from a website, get a shoutcast server on the site... if you want to do it for free, that's your tough call. There's little to no way you can do it unless you have either some type of shell acces, and they don't kill processes. Good luck.

Also, the latest winamp 2.9x views streams fine, you don't HAVE to have winamp 3. I prefer winamp 2.9x but it's your call. (the 2.9x media library option is a plus)

Finally, DSL will always be capable of having a higher upload bandwith so, if DSL is exceptional in your area I'd go with that since you could support more users. If it's laggy (i.e. too far from the provider) then go with cable as distance doesn't matter as much with cable, however your upload rate choices will be limited.

[lamenteinc]

Hey Bro what is the problem in my NSVCAP
this ... [yp_add] yp.shoutcast.com gave error (HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request)

what i can i do?

[Sawg]

Make sure your AIM name or IRC headers have no spaces in them.

[lamenteinc]

thanks "AMIGO".....all is quiet...all is good..very fine,,jajajaja
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thanks the sawg.......

[Matt Wilson]

Works for me. I don't use Angelfire or Lycos though. Those are lame.

I'll have to try this for serious sometime. For some reason, running a Shoutcast server doesn't work over DSL. Gives me that "buffer: 0%" problem that noone seems to feel like fixing (NO IT IS NOT A BANDWIDTH ISSUE). An Apache server, however, will work. I can just point people to the location of the NSVs on the server and they can stream them.

Or NSV Zips. That should work fine too. At least, in Winamp2 anyway.

[Surr3al]

Right right, but a live webcam stream, that's a different story. Which I think is what we were talking about to some extent...

[Matt Wilson]

Oh. That's just craaazy. Never used it for that personally.

[RusRadio]

tzahin if you have a Bandwidth problem like i do the only way to stream the video by runing a server not on your computer but on FREBSD shell some of them are free some of them are (infinity sign) $ but it worth it just tell the admion of a FRE BSD to host a shoutcast with port (ex. 8000) and say to not give this prot to any one it will work and before you do this Chack what internet speed they have maybe that only have cable who knows.
You are welcome!
---RusRadio---

[lamenteinc]

Hello, i like to know. Because not my frequency leaves of transmicion in 64 k, but I configured the NSV live capture for a transmicion of 64 k. (no 200 k)

I want to transmit to 64 k, but in winamp reproductor says that the transmicion is to 200 k

thnsk.. again

[Sawg]

Use a lower framerate and resolution. Video takes a lot of bandwidth, it would be quite hard to get anything decent at 64kbps

[Jeeper One]

Hi everyone:

What framerate and screen resolution would you suggest Sawg?? I've been encoding at 352 x 288 with a 30.00 fps. resolution. I just simply encode the audio at 64K.

Cheers for now :)

Patrick Cook
Proud Member - Electronic Frontier Foundation - http://www.eff.org/
Program Director
Jeeper One Radio Network
KPDC Internet TV - REAL Web TV
Denver, Colorado
http://kpdcnetradio.***********/
http://kpdcnettv.***********/