PS3.. what to Expect

[EfaustuS9]

The successor to the PS2, here are some stats on what to expect.

Main Processor: code-named “Cell” produced by IBM on 0.10-micron SOI process.
Clock Speed: 3 GHz
Floating-Point Performance: 196 GFLOPS
Operations per Second: 2 Trillion
3D Geometric Transformations: 2 Billion Polygons per Second
New processor design specifically for broadband communication generation.

System Memory: 512MB
System Memory Bandwidth: 24 GB/sec

Secondary Processor: Emotion Engine on 0.13-micron process (backward compatible with PS2)
Clock Speed: 300 MHz or 375 MHz (selectable)

GS3 (Graphics Synthesizer 3)
Clock Speed: 750 MHz
Embedded DRAM: 32MB
Screen Resolution: variable from 320x224 to 1920x1080
Fillrate: 24 Billion Pixels per Second

Sound: SPU3 + CPU
Number of Voices: 256 ADPCM channels + software

DVD-ROM
Built-in Broadband Ethernet Port
120GB Hard Disk Drive

Japanese Release Date: Q4 2004
US Release Date: Q3 2005

Maybe they can work in some anti allaising this time :D

[j0ck3]

Holy shit! That is alot! I soooo want one of those now.

[Mattress]

hmm, I'd rather they milk the PS2 a bit longer.

[Mr Jones]

Will it make my tea and toast on a morning though?

[Cylob]

Haven't you trained your g/f to do that????? If the PS starts making your breakfast, who knows where it'll stop???? I wonder if it'll go to work on my behalf?

[sgtfuzzbubble011]

Are the lights in the house going to dim when I turn it on?... :p

Pfft. *goes back to playing Super Mario 3*

[anubis2003]

Damn that thing sounds sweet. But it also sounds like it'll be bigger than the xbox. That isn't good.:igor:

[whiteflip]

I will beleive that when I see it. Seems like a very expensive get up too me.

Will it play Ps1 games?

[laz]

"Secondary Processor: Emotion Engine on 0.13-micron process (backward compatible with PS2)
Clock Speed: 300 MHz or 375 MHz (selectable)"

err... so basicly it has the same PS2 rendering engine? thats not good. The games will still look like shit, seeing this is slow as hell.
And this looks to cost a good $600 or so, unless they pull an MS and lose money on it.

Also, I wonder how fast they will at first be able to punk out the CPU's for it, seeing it is on a not yet proven 100nm prossess. I know Intel is pushing for the 90nm die size, but they have not yet gotten to it. So.. it makes me wornder. And I sure as hell would love to have to defrag the HDD and replace it once it dies....

I now wonder what Nintendo has ups its sleeve. Seeing they where saying, they would get ther next system (AND DO NOT CALL IT THE GAMECUBE 2 THEY HAVE A BETTER NAMEING SYSTEN THEN JUST SLAPING A 2 ON IT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!) out before everyone else, and have it be more powerful.

So far it looks like a lot of stats that I am not too sure on how well it will be pulled off.
And I am very sure no games will be able to run at the 1080HD resolution, the framrate would be unplayable, even on that paper stats...

[Fickle]

egads

[EfaustuS9]

actually laz if you read the stats more carefully the processor you mentioned is a secondary processor. Just as the PS2 has a 33Mhz PSONE processor built into it for compatibility, the PS3 (not official name) will have the native 300Mhz PS2 processor in addition to the new 3GHZ IBM cell-processor. IBM coincidentally also created the current processor (458Mhz gecko) found in the gamecube. Oh and one more thing....Calm down buddy :P

[laz]

I know its the second proc in it. Only for backwards comapatability? Ok. And this "GS3 (Graphics Synthesizer 3)
Clock Speed: 750 MHz
Embedded DRAM: 32MB
Screen Resolution: variable from 320x224 to 1920x1080
Fillrate: 24 Billion Pixels per Second" will be its main GPU? And 32mb of ram is SMALL! my computers gfx card has 4x that ammont of ram! And what is the memory speed? seeing the core speed is so far at 750mhz, but I think that will get slower as the system launches.

err.... damn calm down laz.. calm down...

also what NM prossess IBM do with the gekko? I know it wasnt 100nm prossess, I dont know anything that has been built on that small of a die size for retail today. Im just thinking... thats all...

[EfaustuS9]

yes but your computer has many constrains a console does not. A console is optimized just for gaming has a much lighter streamlined OS, and considerably faster bus technology. the PS2 (32mb) gamecube (48MB) and xbox (64MB) all do impressive things with such limited ram. PCs require more ram on the video card because of the dated (early 90's) motherboard architecture which limits the flow of data (PCI), hece they can not efficiently access the system memory. Though some revisions in the last few years have quelled the deficit some what (AGP = which is just a modification to this aging standard). A significant evolution will be occurring in PC’s over the next few years, Hyper transport (much faster then both PCI&AGP), and the progression from current 32bit processors (present XP’s/P4’s) to 64bit. So if you dump a lot of doe now on a comp your just buying into the zenith of old technology (major tangent :D). anyways in the end if these stats hold true, I think Ps3 will have respectable graphics.

Oh and white flip, sony wont let me sit in on board meetings nor do I know Japanese’s, so I cant answer you question. also because of this cant I say these stats are concrete (3GHz IBM is confirmed though ). :)

[sgtfuzzbubble011]

also what NM prossess IBM do with the gekko?
"0.18 micron IBM copper wire technology" - Nintendo.com


Btw, here (http://www.nintendo.com/systems/gcn/specifications.jsp)'s the specs for the Cube.

[Mr Jones]

Tech specs are great and mean nothing anyone other than marketing bods who will always insist bigger is better...

"it has better specs therefore it must be better than (insert system name)"

Etc etc ad infinitum

[sgtfuzzbubble011]

Did I say that? I was simply posting the specs for anyone that was interested.


"it has better specs therefore it must be better than (insert system name)"
The Xbox might have better specs than my Cube, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go trade my Cube in for one...

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by sgtfuzzbubble99




The Xbox might have better specs than my Cube, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go trade my Cube in for one...

Which was exactly the point I was making, you wouldn't trade in for something bigger and better, hence the specs don't make a bit of difference to you, I'm the same, I couldn't give a rats what specs this system has over that system, as long at the end of the day it's fun to use , and the right system for me.

As I say, specs mean nothing to anyone, other than people trying to sell systems , and they are always sold on how much better those specs are than the next mans, while you or I ain't fooled by it, plenty of people are, after all it's basic human nature to want the next best biggest thing....

[J. Burnaway]

Word, Jones. I bought a Playstation after I bought a N64, even though it was 32-bit compared to 64-bit, because there were just so many more good games for the PS.

[EfaustuS9]

stats are of course secondary, to the actual content on a system. Here are the stats to one system that can still be quite fun. can you name it :).....

CPU 8-Bit CPU
MEMORY RAM: 2Kb
Video RAM: 2Kb
COLOR Colors Displayed: 16
Colors Available: 52
Sprite Colors: 4 per Sprite from the 52 possible
RESOLUTION 256 x 240
PROCESSOR 8-Bit PPU (Picture Processing Unit)
SPRITES Maximum Sprites/Line: 8
Maximum Sprite Size: 8x16 Pixels
Minimum Sprite Size: 8x8 Pixels
SCROLLING Horizontal and Vertical
CLOCK SPEED 2 Mhz
SOUND 2 Square Waves, 1 Triangle Wave, 1 White Noise

yes in this capaticalistic materialistic society, such fundamental human motivators are forever being tested. Companies flaunting the next greatest thing and our consuming presute of them,is what stutains these companies and our economy. I would rant further but this is the games center, so I will try to keep it light and on point. So... how about that next greatest thing eh? :)

[Mr Jones]

That would be a NES then, I'm playing a lot of NES games at the minute on my GBAsp, mucho fun.

[Bilbo Baggins]

I hope they remember to include a plug. Imagine the sounds of hundreds of little hearts breaking on Christmas morn when all the little kiddies cannot plug their new PS3 into the socket because in their bid for technological superiority, Sony forgot to put on a plug.

[whiteflip]

Originally posted by laz9999
...unless they pull an MS and lose money on it...


Ok I want to yell but wont. I have emotional anger Issues.

Every system since the dawn of real systems (NES) has lost money on it in order to make money in the long run on liscences. That is the console business model.

Sony i think right now loses 15 dollars on each Ps2 Sold

Xbox loses like 200 dollars. Since each xbox owner owns an average of 3 games they actually lose 50 dollars (just an example)

Since most Ps2 owners own hella games Sony makes hella money

Gamecube I dunno how much the manufacturing cost is.

Dream cast was one of the few systems to initially make money at retail. It was a damn good system too :(.

[anubis2003]

And now sega is becoming nonexistant. It surprises me that nintendo outlived it - personally I don't like the Gamecube. I have it only because of a couple of games. The PS2 and XBox have many of the same games, or rough equivalents, while the Gamecube has a different(but often worse) variety.

[J. Burnaway]

I think I hear Sarge running this way. Never talk bad about Chevys or Nintendo unless you want to hear from him! :p

[sgtfuzzbubble011]

I think I hear Sarge running this way. Never talk bad about Chevys or Nintendo unless you want to hear from him!
Damn straight...

*busts out rocket launcher*

Ok, who wants summa this?! http://www.naoneo.com/sarge/Smilies/Sarge/q3aHappySarge.gif


:D:D



Jones said...
Which was exactly the point I was making, you wouldn't trade in for something bigger and better, hence the specs don't make a bit of difference to you, I'm the same, I couldn't give a rats what specs this system has over that system, as long at the end of the day it's fun to use , and the right system for me.
Oh, ok. I thought you were saying that I'm one of those tech spec dorks. For me, specs can provide some cool and/or useful information about a system, but has nothing to do with my purchase decision.

[Merlin]

Originally posted by EfaustuS9
So if you dump a lot of doe now on a comp your just buying into the zenith of old technology
That's always true of computers though, especially PC's. :) What was worth two grand in 2001 is now only worth five hundred quid, and so on.

[laz]

specs can mean what the system can technicaly do. Like if it has some nice uber-tech that will make it have very, very nice FPS or whatnot other kick ass visual tech.
Its games that count. And ya, all systems lose money, but I was just referring to MS as they are losing the most per unit then I know of any other system (thinks of the 3DO and its $600 price tag....)
I just will wait and see on what kind of games it has, games are the key to success, just nintendo needs more in general, and every other systems needs more good ones...

[whiteflip]

Then you make a game. Its hard. I tried and failed :(

[Mr_007]

Oh very good!
ps3!

[taylormemer]

PS3 sounds really good, i want one now.:D

[itsDAhAgAo]

i heard that the ps3 would use rambus' xdr dram (http://www.rambus.com/products/xdr/) memory. and anyone know about the development of the PSX (not the original playstation) which is supposedly the interim successor to the PS2 before the PS3 comes out?

[whiteflip]

You know who else used Rambus????
Nintendo 64. And we all know how that went...

[InvincibleFX]

PS3 will be 100X better than xbox 2 i don't care what anyone says Microsoft are shit and SONY are GOD NO QUESTIONS asked:weird:

[laz]

er..... ya..... Nintendo's next system will be about 4x10^908609 better then MS next console.... ya....

[Starbucks]

GS3 (Graphics Synthesizer 3)
Clock Speed: 750 MHz
Embedded DRAM: 32MB
Screen Resolution: variable from 320x224 to 1920x1080
Fillrate: 24 Billion Pixels per Second
I sense HD resolution compadability?

I doubt that this machine will cost more than $350, because it's set to be released in 2005. The 3GHz chip is also a reality because IBM already has plans to scale the Power5 to 3GHz.

[sgtfuzzbubble011]

whiteflip said...
You know who else used Rambus????
Nintendo 64. And we all know how that went...
Yeah, but look at what the N64 was working with. It had 4 megs, just 4. It was upgradable to 8. I think they did pretty damn good with only 8 megs of RAM.

[laz]

Indeed it did. I would even say the N64 had better games then the Cube has now. Well Multiplayer that is. Man I just loved playing Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, they where amazing! But the ONLY multiplyer games I have for my cube are SSB:M and Robotech Battlecry... So I need some kick ass FPSers.
I do think, even for 2005, a lot of what is in the "PS3" will cost a lot of money, so they will most likly sell it for $400 when it is launched.
Now I wait and see what uber-paper stats the "XBox2" and nintendos next system will have. Mostly pointless, but who cares, it will give the fanboys something to post about till they are released.

[InvisableMan]

ps3 isnt even a serious console, its just being made to bridge the gap betweeen the 2 and the 4, the 4 being the major technological jump. theyve already announced development on it so the ps3 is only there to get you to buy it and then buy the ps4

[laz]

er.... that makes no sence for sony to even do. They make a console, then release another one right after it? I dont think so. Seems to be nice rumors to me.
HEY! the N64 was damn good with or without Rambus ram.

[EfaustuS9]

invis man is partially correct, Sony is releasing a system called the PSX which is pretty much a PS2 with tivo functions. Both Microsoft and sony believe one day that desktops will be a thing of the past, eventually all the functions of your computer will be atop your TV. This is one of the main motives why Microsoft even got into the console business to begin with, after the failure of the WinTV. They figure theyll get in your living room one way or another damn it ; )

here is a article breifly touching on the psx http://gamepro.com/gamepro/famitsu/games/news/29490.shtml

this one is just a elaberation and a touch on PSP
http://gamepro.com/gamepro/famitsu/games/news/30485.shtml

[whiteflip]

I think that Tivo Game console combonation thing is bull shit.

I have a VCR. Good enough. If some one made a DvD Recorder that was better than my VCR I would get that.

[itsDAhAgAo]

The PSX will have a dvd recorder and I also heard that the PS3 will not be compatible with original playstaion games. But probably when the PS3 gets release, you can probably get the PS One for like 10 bucks.

[whiteflip]

good point.
I just hope XBox 2 supports xbox 1 but it will unlikely have the same controller port (greedy bastards) and i hope its lighter too.

[Starbucks]

I'm pretty sure xbox 2 will support XBox games because they aren't going to change the DVD format. Mmm, now I'm not so sure because they might not use Intel chips. I just hope XBox 2 will be smaller.

[whiteflip]

Yeah that doesnt matter
Xbox 2 is gonna run some version of Direct X just like XBox did so There wont be a problem in support. Since both will run off of X86 architecture unless XBox2 runs off the 64bit variety :)