yet another vice city thread

[mark]

brilliant music in it, no?

[xenosomething]

considering it has barely any original music, no.

want brilliant music?....check out chrono cross or FFT....or castlevania SoTN or any megaman or unlimited saga and even wild arms or racing lagoon.....you can also try suikoden and parasite eve.......and the hundreds of video games that have better music.

not to bash or your preferences though....its your choice.:)

[mark]

its not supposed to be origonal, i just thought they picked some good music form the 80s.

[xenosomething]

lol i guess your right about it not supposed to be original....but i just think it doesnt deserve credit.

[Merlin]

The choice of tracks does deserve credit, thankyou very much. The whole game is a complete epic, and part of its brilliance is the soundtrack.

You could have just posted this in one of the other threads though...

[xenosomething]

Originally posted by Merlin
The whole game is a complete epic, and part of its brilliance is the soundtrack.

:igor: are we talking about the same game?

[mark]

i agree with merlin. I cheated in GTA3 and it ruined it, so im going through vice city cheat free.

[Merlin]

Yes we are, xenosomething. Shock! The biggest selling video game in UK history is actually rather good. Who'd have thought it.

[xenosomething]

i never said it was bad....ive beaten GTA3 and ive played vice city.
but its not a "complete epic".....not by a longshot.

i'm obviously not a big fan of overrated games, so lets just say you guys like the soundtrack and i dont and leave it at that.;)

btw, just because it sold doesnt mean it has to be good....

[zootm]

the music is fantastic. a brilliant pick of the time that adds to the mood and atmosphere that is so well reflected in all the game's media.

as for the music in the japanese games mentioned earlier, all the stuff i've heard is very generic. not much to write home about. technically, it may be excellent, and it fits the action, but i wouldn't rate it higher than the vice city soundtrack, original or not.

[xenosomething]

::sigh:: :( this really goes to show how different people can be.

[zootm]

indeed. and i don't even like half the music in vice city :blah:

[Vie]

Erm, guys... ..I'm crap at flying planes and piloting (Driving?) a boat so I'm stuck on the Porn flying mission and the first cuban mission. Everything elce is compleat, if sombody has a savegame passed that could you please give us a coppy... ..there are cookies!

[mark]

first cuban is easy after a while. keep doing it over and over. if you fail, drown yourself and get a taxi back. its easier with analouge controlls. i assume you haev the pc one...

[Bob the Tomato]

There's nothing quite like the desctructive thrill I get by typing in "panzer" and going to town.

[Merlin]

I presume that gives you the tank, right? Why not just pick one up from the airport? You don't even need the police outfit, just ram the barrier, quickly drive up to the tank and don't hang around. You might need to pick up 90 packages (very much worth doing) or do a certain mission before the tank is available from the airport, though. Still, it avoids cheating. :up:

The flying mission is easy once you figure out a route - starting at the top of the map, it's possible to fly down the east coast (over Phil's place) then weave back up the west coast (over the ice cream factory etc) without making any sharp or blind turns. The only tricky bit is avoiding the trees on a couple of the low passes and flying past the V-ROCK building without hitting the condo across the street.

As for the boat mission, feh, just practice. It's all you can do.

[Bob the Tomato]

True, but chances are you won't make it to the other island with the tank in very good shape. I usually just do that after saving to goof around before quitting.

The mission I'm stuck on right now is the one where you have to race a guy who's in a muscle car with a Sentinel. Geez, talk about stacked odds.

[Merlin]

It's virtually impossible to destroy the tank unless your driving is *really* bad. If it starts to smoke, just take it to one of your garages, get out, close the door, and it'll be repaired.

You're on "The Driver" eh? Racing against Hilary in his slick Sabre Turbo (which you can get for yourself after buying the auto showroom). Shortly after you start, the police get on to you. If you stay closely behind Hilary's car, they can sometimes hit him and wipe him out while you carry on. However, the way I did it was by forcing him to hit a post on the corner of a road, then not making any mistakes for the rest of the race. The Sentinel is really easy to drive, so the hardest part is forcing Hilary to crash whilst keeping yourself moving.

It's kind of annoying that after all that work getting Hilary to drive for you, he gets killed in the next mission anyway...

[Vie]

Originally posted by Bob the Tomato
The mission I'm stuck on right now is the one where you have to race a guy who's in a muscle car with a Sentinel. Geez, talk about stacked odds.

Its easy, just go into your VC install folder, then go into the Data folder.

Now open "handling.cfg" with notepad, then check wich collem is speed (E I think) then look out the "SaberT" or "Saber2" dont remember wich, and change its top speed to... ..whatever you want, its in Kph

[Mr Jones]

Yeah, but if you have to cheat, where is the fun in playing?

Cheats never prosper...

[Vie]

Simple, you take pleasure in the more funny side efects of the cheats.

Driving a golf cart that runs faster than the Deluxo.

Turning a Limo into a tank like behemoth.

Converting the Bikes into little more than walking speed.

Making the physics a little more realistic.

Turning the Python into a decent millie weapon as well as a excelent pistol.

[Mr Jones]

Well, yes that's all well and good, but cheating to help get you past a bit you can't do is just , well crap.

I've used cheats on PS2 VC , driven on water and all that kind of crap, but for some reason I like to get my moneys worth out of a game and know that I can beat it , rather relying on how quickly I can edit something to allow me to beat it.

[Vie]

Where as I dont think I'm getting my moneys worth unless I DO have the chance to edit the game.

[Bob the Tomato]

Ok, I'm sick and tired of that Woody Allen reject with his overcompensation problems causing me to lose because I didn't swerve .01 pixels in the right direction, so I tried to edit the Saber Turbo's speed.

But, when I try to save the changes, it says the file is ready only, and I have to save under a different name, when I know that will negate any changes I made. Any suggestions? I do have one thing to try first...

Ok, nevermind. I figured it out.

[Vie]

Erm, turn of the Read only.

Rightclick o...

..oh good you arnt compleatly dumb :D

[Cylob]

YOUTHS FIRED AT CARS

Two teenage boys who went on a fatal gun rampage in the US have claimed they were influenced by a top-selling video game.

The boys said Grand Theft Auto had inspired them to shoot at passing cars on a motorway in Tennessee.

The game, which is available for the PC and PlayStation, allows players to "fire" on people and cars.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,31500-12786508,00.html

The game should be banned forthwith.

[xenosomething]

the game didn't cause this, irresponsible parents did.

[Mr Jones]

Quite, it's not like it's the first time a video game has been for "crime spree of the month".

Many many moons ago, a young Japanese boy was caught robbing a bank with a gun, he didn't want notes, only small coins, why?, so he could feed his pacman habit.

Realistic or not, video games have been blamed for just about everything, and this cycle seems to come around every couple of years, when the next big game hits the streets, Pacman, Invaders, Mortal Kombat, Night Trap, Doom all big games of the last 20 years that have had something to do with some crime or another, it's a poor mans excuse that says "GTA made me go shoot people", what about the dozy fuckin parents that let little Jimmy get his hands on a firearm in the first place?

[Cylob]

I guess I'm just in the moral minority.

[Mr Jones]

No, your not, but this kind of thing is hardly new, I mentioned Night Trap back there, jesus, do you remember that stories that made?, headline stuff on the 6 o clock news, because it featured a scanty clad female getting dragged off by men in black, and then had her neck drilled , that, apparently , was the end of the world because it would inspire young blokes the world over to turn into rape fiends.

How many times has Doom been cited as a reason for going on a shooting rampage, should we ban all fantasy shoot em up's as well?

Fantasy or reality , people will always latch onto whatever excuse they can to make up for their own shortcomings.

I mean, if your gonna go out and take pot shots at passing cars, at least try to wriggle out of it by saying "oooh, the nasty video game warped my mind", you might just get away with it, you stand more of a chance than saying " I'm just a warped fucker with a perchant for randomly killing people"

One might get you a few years in jail and some nice therapy, the other one will probably get you a lot of years in jail, or a trip to the gas chamber...

[Cylob]

I wouldn't class Doom and GTA as the same type of game. Yes they're both violent, but so is Space Invaders.

For me, GTA has overstepped the moral mark. You have to draw a line with these things, I consider GTA to be on the wrong side. Games are becoming ever more realistic, the graphic detail should be taken into account. Squashing match-stick figures in Turbo Esprit on the ZX Spectrum is one thing, pulling a high resolution image out of a car and taking a chainsaw to it is another.

Where will it end??? Sooner or later a game will have to be slapped down.

[xenosomething]

this game is nothing compared to all of that violent gangster rap garbage........how many gangs would we have without rap?

[Cylob]

I can equate gansta rap to GTA. It's the same thing.

In an ideal world there'd be flower-arranging rap.

[Merlin]

You want to ban GTA? Talk about a minority spoiling things for the masses! Just because two moronic parents couldn't control their kids, everyone else should be banned from playing an immensely fun game? Give me a break.

The content and realism of a movie or a game is no excuse for bad parenting. The game already carries an age limit, which these two goons were younger than. Maybe there should be a "don't buy this game if you're fucked up and your parents leave shotguns lying around" warning on the box too.

[DragonSon]

Or maybe stores should ask for id when the little idiots attempt to buy them.

[BullGawD]

Lemmie aks ya this, if you're gonna take the "games are too real" route:

Even if it is in fact the game being too realistic that causes such incidents, I fail to see how you rationalize blaming the game. Shouldn't the blame still fall on the parents (for whom the frigging rating system was put together) for:

A) Allowing their child to have the game (and it takes a pretty unobservant parent to not catch even a sneaky kid at something that's occupying 1 hour+ per day of his time).

B) Not raising their child in such a fashion that the mere subject of the game repulses that child, and said child therefore does not wish to play it. Or "play" it, in your hyper-realistic context. If they don't want to take the time to impart this via example, I think this could be achieved by shooting a beloved sibling at close range, thereby illustrating a point and saving the parent and taxpayers millions in not funding another would-be meathead.

[Cylob]

A curious kid will always get his hands on what he's not supposed to touch. If you were 10, wouldn't you sneak into your elder brother's room and give GTA a try????? Yes you would. Temptation would be too great.

Parents can't regulate their curious kids 24/7.

You can't offload 100% of the blame on parents. Try instead......
1; The developers
2; The law that allows such a game to be sold
3; The adults who buy it and bring it within reach of kids.

[xenosomething]

the whole problem is that they had access to a shotgun.(and not just one either)

my 11 year old brother loves GTA but not once have i seen him act even remotely like the game.....why? because im there to smack him if he does.

[Bob the Tomato]

For me, "realism" and "Grand Theft Auto" don't exactly mix very well. GTA is, well, cartooney. Cars don't exactly handle as they do in the game. You don't have to stand perfectly still to fire a gun. If you ever get caught stealing a car by the police, they will hunt you down and catch you, and you don't reappear at the Police Station minus your weapons and a couple hundred dollars. It's a very fun game, but it's no simulator by a very, VERY long shot.

IRT Cylob:

If the parents had been concerned about their kid's behavior, they could have just taken the PS2 away. No PS2, no GTA. It is also the kid's fault, for being foolish enough to think that you can actually do the things you can do in GTA:VC. You can blame the publisher, for creating the attractive ads that make people want to buy the game. Blame society because it's such a popular and highly talked-about game. Hell, any number of factors could have figured into their actions.

I'd also like to point out that the more the media focuses on these things, the more popularity they receive. Postal 2 received almost no publicity whatsoever, and flopped. GTA3 got a whole ton of publicity, much of it negative, and sold incredibly well. When a kid sees a report detailing the violence in a game, it suddenly appears like a drug; he's not supposed to play with it, but it looks oh-so-cool. When he sees the player jacking cars and running people over, he's gonna think that's cool and want to play it. Negative publicity can help a game's popularity as much as anything.

The kids must still be held responsible for their actions. One thing that sickens me about today's society is our tendency to shirk responsibility and blame someone/thing else. I think it all started when that lady spilled McDonald's coffee on herself, and then blamed McD's for it, rather than calling it an unfortunate accident. In today's culture, there are no accidents. If you spilt coffee on yourself then it probably was a result of your poor judgment or just a bump in the road.

I hate to sound harsh, because I do care about the plight of others, but when you do something awful like that, YOU did it. It's a black and white matter to me.

[Cylob]

I agree with everything you said Bob, if Kids go out shooting vehicles then they should be held accountable. I'd like to see them slapped-down and locked-up (hell keep them away from my kids).

But games like GTA are shifting moral boundaries. Is that good or bad?

[Merlin]

Originally posted by Cylob
Parents can't regulate their curious kids 24/7.
They can certainly check what video games junior owns, and work out if "Mature - 17+" or "over 18 years" means junior shouldn't be playing. :rolleyes:

They can also LOCK THEIR GUNS AWAY for fuck's sake. That is no-one else but the parents' fault.

[Cylob]

Originally posted by Merlin
They can certainly check what video games junior owns, and work out if "Mature - 17+" or "over 18 years" means junior shouldn't be playing. :rolleyes:

What if junior's 18 year old brother leaves his bedroom door open? Junior loves to play PS2 games. It's what kids like to do.

[Vie]

Originally posted by Merlin
They can also LOCK THEIR GUNS AWAY for fuck's sake. That is no-one else but the parents' fault. [/B]

Or if they are truly responsable, they should not HAVE guns in the house, full stop.

I love GTA, its one of the best games I have ever played, yet I dont go round beating people to death with a golfclub (Wich you do in a mission).

If you carnt tell the diference between a game and real life, you should not be alowed to play the game.

Hell, I'm a pasifist! and I like GTA, I would never go out to hurt sombody in life, but in the Game... ..(insert evil cackle)

[Merlin]

Originally posted by Cylob
What if junior's 18 year old brother leaves his bedroom door open? Junior loves to play PS2 games. It's what kids like to do.
That's hardly the game developer's fault then.
Originally posted by Vie
Or if they are truly responsable, they should not HAVE guns in the house, full stop.

I love GTA, its one of the best games I have ever played, yet I dont go round beating people to death with a golfclub (Wich you do in a mission).

If you carnt tell the diference between a game and real life, you should not be alowed to play the game.

Hell, I'm a pasifist! and I like GTA, I would never go out to hurt sombody in life, but in the Game... ..(insert evil cackle)
Exactly. 99.999% of the over eight million GTA owners (not counting people with pirate copies) have been fine. It's just these two fucked-up morons that hit the headlines.

[Cylob]

Originally posted by Merlin
That's hardly the game developer's fault then.

It's partly the developers fault. They produced the game in the first place. No game - no problem!

[Mr Jones]

Let's blame the hardware makers then, no PS2 and then they wouldn't have felt the need to make product for it.

Don't stop there though, make sure you get all available platforms as well, only fair..

[Vie]

Lets blaim Pac man for introducing violence into games.

"But I only ate all the people like Pacman did!"

If we go to the edge, then go ALL the way.

[Cylob]

Come on! Pacman bears no resemblence to GTA. At what point in Pacman do you get out the chainsaw and lay into a civilian???

[Merlin]

I don't buy that. If you start banning certain games because you think they're not suitable for the public, in what sense do you have a democracy?

People should know their own limits. They should also know the difference between a video game and real life.

[Vie]

EXACTLY! thats my point! some people might find PacMan enough to set them off, in the same way VC is enough to set others off.