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30th September 2003, 18:43
Read this. (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030930.shtml)
I'll post mine after some of you get a chance to read it.
30th September 2003, 18:55
Hhmmm, interesting. Taking the facts and not the editorial, I do find it kind of sad that this person feels "left out" of her school, socially.
I do have a problem with sections within groups defined along racial lines, even when they are trying to promote minorities. If the societies mentioned at the girls school were open to all eg, join the Latino club and experience the Latino culture, I would find that a positive and inclusive act. If the societies are eg Latino only, I would find them rather sad.
I understand the girls feelings and thoughts, but I do have a problem with a whites only style club/society. I have no doubt she means it in a unracist way, but when I look at the "About Us" section of the site, I get a nasty feeling. I'm not saying the site is racist, but here in the UK we have a few newspapers that spout the same kind of thing and they do have a racist message.
Here in Manchester, UK., the Manchester Indian community gets together once a year in a local park and put on shows, concerts, dancing and food with the express purpose of opening themselves up to the local (white) community. The event is always packed out with a very wide section of the Manchester community. If they had this kind of society at the girls school it would be an excellant idea.
Anyway, thats more than my 2 pence worth.
30th September 2003, 19:07
Hmm, I'll probably post some more on this subject when I get home from work. I can understand the girl's initial motives on starting the club, people do like feeling belonged. And while, her motives were not racist, I could see how politically sensitive folks would feel uneasy and react prematurely. Although I do wonder how someone lilke myself, being half white, would qualify for such an organization.
I've got to read the cookie part of the article again. I think I may have missed some points in it.
@marvin, one of the few nice things about living here in Washington, is the cultural diversity. The summers are usually jam-packed with different ethnic celebrations where everyone is invited. The food booths rock at a majority of these events! :D
30th September 2003, 19:31
its a very good point. here are my feelings on it. I am 16 and white by the way.
All my life, i have heard and seen so many things trying to control racism. In fact, they have worked. So well in fact that whites are now being discriminated against. Last time i checked there was no NAAWP(just change colored to white). There is none because there never needed to be. But with so much affirmitive action, other races have been given opportunities solely based on the fact that they are a minority. Take for example colleges. Many colloeges give credit on their entracne applications just for being a minority. It doesn't matter whether one of your parents went there or not. In fact, more credit is sometimes given than having an alumni as a parent. Or take sports. There are many black athletes. But I am not talking about athletes. In some sports, when a new management position is opened, the owners are required to interview at least one minority candidate. People are so concerned with taking care of minorites that they have forgotten about the majority. I am not a white supremicist though. Everyone should be given equal opportunities and neither blacks nor whites should be given an unfair advantage in the job market or in school selections or athletics. The NFL is a great example of this. The great majority of NFL players are black. They made the team and were hired not because of their race but simply because they were the best person qualified for the job.
In my opinion there shouldn't be a black white, purple or green club. There shouldn't have to be.
30th September 2003, 19:48
I for one do not object to any club, even a caucasian clubs in any schools. This "reverse" racism is what's stirring things up. I do not feel there is a need for any kind of arrirmative action, just as long as there is true equality, meaning do away with "race" as a factor. It's just going to make the white kids angrier. Would I even be classified as a minority if race was of no factor? After all, there is nothing special about me being Asian is there?
30th September 2003, 22:28
i'm a flaming liberal and i agree with the girls and her club. why the fuck not. denying to one race something given to every other race is racist, pure and simple. to suggest that there is something wrong with an all-white club is as racist as declaring an all-black one is wrong. and if an all-white club is racist, then why the hell are there all black clubs?
either way, its racist not to make the whites equal to the blacks, the same way the reverse has been ingrained in our society.
30th September 2003, 22:38
it's about time someone started a club like this up! :up:
30th September 2003, 23:21
I think there's nothing wrong with a club like that (considering all other student associations available), as long as no ethnic groups are excluded by definition. Most non-whites won't be attracted anyways, like she wasn't attracted to the other clubs (where she probably was allowed to join as well).
1st October 2003, 03:36
Ok, I've re-read the cookie issue, and damn, that was a great job by those students.
Quote stolen from article:
"The second news item comes from academia, Southern Methodist University, where a group of conservative students sold cookies at a bake sale where they posted prices based on the liberal trinity, race, gender and ethnicity: White males: $1.00, White females: $.75, Hispanics: $.50, Blacks: $.25.
A black student protested, saying he was offended, and the university shut down the booth in 45 minutes.
It is actually a positive development that a black student was offended. He certainly should be. But, of course, that was the whole point of the conservative students: Changing standards for different groups is offensive.
There is little difference between charging minorities different prices for cookies and the university "charging" different standards for minorities. And that was why the university was so embarrassed. Lest more and more students see in public what the university does privately, that booth had to be shut down."
The ironic thing, I don't think that the black student realized what he really should be offended about (I could be wrong). It is wrong to expect one race to pick-up the slack like that. It's affirmative action at it's worst. I'm female and of Asian descent, I could use A.A. like crazy, but I chose not too. Why? A.A. will be running it's course soon enough and in the end, we will all be held accountable/rewarded for our own actions, as it should be.
1st October 2003, 05:38
Liberalism has won by segregating people into clubs based on their race? How wonderful.
The thing with the bake sale was awesome though.
1st October 2003, 13:37
Literalism has won. We're taking a mere columnist's blurbs far too seriously.
1st October 2003, 15:17
Some of you are missing the point about Affirmative active, I believe.
It was brought out to put straight some fo the racism in society. Minorities have been denied access to some schools, universities etc for a long time because they are from a minority. Now the tables have been turned in a tiny, tiny, tiny way, white people start having hissy fits about racism or "reverse racism"...well, I think you're about 200 years too late in your complaints.
Did the clubs in this girls school bar her from joining because she was white? Didn't say, so I'll assume no.
Here in the UK affirmative action is not an issue. Why? Because the thought of trying to turn someone away from school or college because of the colour of their skin is different wouldn't occur to most entrance boards...not saying there is no rascism in the UK. Why? because most folks in Manchester just get on with things and mix socially at every opportunity.
in the company I work for;
the guy who trained me is black,
my first manager is black,
the person you speak to in our claims dept. if you have a problem suffers from turets,
the woman who deals with all the really arsey complaints has one arm,
the boss of the entire dept is a woman,
the guy I sit across from is gay,
and the guy I have a cig with outside, cleans the floors and empties the bins.
No affirmative action, but no discrimination either...thats way affirmative action is not really needed in the UK.
It ain't perfect and there are problems, but no where near as bad as in the US, no where near.
Some of people believe that because racism is illegal, then all is fine and happy-happy if you're a minority....oh please, can we all come back to the real world? The only way an awful lot of minorities can get into colleges is through sports scholerships.
Let's see, affirmative action has been in place for how long now? 20 years? 30 years? Yet still, minorities are vastly under-represented in colleges...dosen't that tell you that may be racial equality hasn't reached everywhere yet?
1st October 2003, 17:01
minorities are vastly under-represented in colleges
What is the ratio of minorities in college vs minorities who apply to college. How does that compare to the ratio of whites in college vs whites who apply to college?
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