Native .CUE Support

[ReasonSupreme]

It couldn't be all that hard to add native CUE sheet support to WA.

It could simply be that the .CUE files would be displayed in a similar fashion as m3u's and other playlist formats.

If this one small addition to winamp could be made, I (and many others) could purge my system of this... foobar...

[BKDotCom]

cue sheet support is my number 1 wish.. and it grows constantly (albeit slowly).

Individual tracks should appear in Media Library.. Should be able to enque up a single track in a playlist from a "cued-filed" mp3, etc.

I know it's possible, my slimp3 player does it.

[JonnyMac]

Until (and if) native cuesheet support is added...
From Sticky: Winamp 5.0 Wishlist (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64975)

Winamp Core

Playlist Editor.

Cuesheet support (.cue files)
Try mp3cue (http://www.guerillasoft.nstemp.com/mp3cue/) (may not work with modern skins)

[ReasonSupreme]

AHA, and there is the person I was waiting for all along...

The one who was going to tell me to use an old out-of-date plugin!:igor:

Not acceptable. We shouldn't have to rely on third-parties for something SIMPLE that should've been native since somewhere 'round 2.x.

I do seriously think Foobar's interface is lame. But it's capabilities still make me want more out of WA. Get with it, so I can give it the boot!

[sanosuke]

Originally posted by ReasonSupreme
Not acceptable. We shouldn't have to rely on third-parties for something SIMPLE that should've been native since somewhere 'round 2.x. The whole idea of plugins is so that you can have a player that you want.

I do not need and do not wish for winamp to have native queue sheet support.

The plugin is there for this reason. USE IT.

[BKDotCom]

The plugin is a ad-hoc tool at best..
There's no way to search for a particular track or add a particular track to the playlist

[JonnyMac]

Originally posted by ReasonSupreme
AHA, and there is the person I was waiting for all along...

The one who was going to tell me to use an old out-of-date plugin!:igor:

Not acceptable...

What I did was to simply point out to you that cuesheet support was already in the "Official" Wishlist. Rather then just saying “[I]it’s in the wishlist” I also gave you a quote. You cold have gotten flamed for posting a wish that is already in the Wishlist. Would you prefer that I did? Please read the stickies before posting.

[BartAfterDark]

Think alot of people, want cue support :D I do!!!

[ReasonSupreme]

You cold have gotten flamed for posting a wish that is already in the Wishlist. Would you prefer that I did?
As long as I can still peruse these forums, I have no problems with whatever could/should happen to my username. I only very recently signed up with the sole purpose of voicing my opinion that something is missing, which a few have seconded.

Bottom line: I've been reading these forums anonymously for years now, and as long as I can continue to do so, either as is now or as a guest, I am satisfied.

[bytemastr]

Originally posted by sanosuke
The whole idea of plugins is so that you can have a player that you want.

I do not need and do not wish for winamp to have native queue sheet support.

The plugin is there for this reason. USE IT.

Yes, I have to chime in here as well.

I've tried MP3CUE and quite frankly it's old, unsupported and just isn't up to par with WA 5.x; Furthermore, I am unable to get it to work correctly (or at all).

While it's easy for end users to ask for and demand features/functionality, versus what developers can and have time to do, I believe that there is substantial need and support for this feature so much so, that it should not be overlooked (much longer).

There are a LOT of features (and feature requests) of WA that I do not find useful, nor do they cause me trouble in attempting to do what I want/need WA to do, however, I do not begrudge people their right to ask for those features.

Lastly, even though EAC is probably the _PREMIER_ ripper for accurate, lossless (assuming use of such an output plugin) music, it still does not handle some scenarios in track-by-track mode, such as if the pregap before track #1 has anything in it other than silence (which, while uncommon) is occurring in music CDs nowadays.

I feel, that in order to experience the entire feel of the CDs (including gaps, pauses, pregap music, etc...), the only way to do that is via ripping the CD as an entire image, because Andre (author of EAC) is largely unwilling/able to account for these anomalies in track-by-track mode; Hence, the only way to accurately re-represent a CD in your home jukebox is to rip it via the image/CUE method, though alas WA does not support it.

Make it a feature of the Pro version and I'll gladly register a license for every computer I use Winamp on--it's that important to me (alot of us).

Anyhow, for more information on this issue (this necessitating the CUEsheet support), please read at least these threads on EAC:

http://www.digital-inn.de/showthread.php?t=25707
http://www.digital-inn.de/showthread.php?t=16964
http://www.digital-inn.de/showthread.php?t=22443
http://www.digital-inn.de/showthread.php?t=24921

Authors and moderators of Winamp: thank you for your time and consideration on this request.

[DrO]

There are a LOT of features (and feature requests) of WA that I do not find useful, nor do they cause me trouble in attempting to do what I want/need WA to do, however, I do not begrudge people their right to ask for those features.there is nothing wrong with asking for features, but it's when people demand things that it's not right. as was mentioned earlier in the thread about plugins not being a good idea, well seeing as everything is nearly based on plugins in Winamp, i see a conflict of ideas there ;)

will the feature be added... i have no idea. if someone will make a decent cue plugin... i have no idea. if the feature is that badly needed, then the tools are available for this to be done by someone who has more time to be able to do this ie a 3rd party developer.

at the end of the day, the wishlist is just that, a wishlist and it doesn't mean that things will/won't go in to winamp/associated plugins. that's how it is (hopefully that all makes sense ;) )

-daz

[bytemastr]

Originally posted by DrO

at the end of the day, the wishlist is just that, a wishlist and it doesn't mean that things will/won't go in to winamp/associated plugins. that's how it is (hopefully that all makes sense ;) )
-daz

...Thanks for the response, however, I would feel better, if under the CUE wish, where you guys recommend MP3CUE, that you state something like what you do here:

Option to remove duplicate entries
plCleaner plugin [ack, buggy!] :(
(to be natively implemented soon - watch this space)

Since many of us have tried MP3CUE and find that it doesn't work at all (in my case) or well for others, it would be nice to at least acknowledge that MP3CUE, while an option, really isn't an option.

For what it's worth, I've tried contacting the developer of that plugin to no avail (mail bounced back), so it looks like whether or not it's a core feature or a plugin, the wheel will have to be recreated again.

Thanks for your time.

[BKDotCom]

... nor does mp3cue add the tracks to the media library. allow you to cue up a single track.. use native winamp controls (previous, next, etc).

If a plugin can do that, I'm all for it.

I think it requires modifying in_mp3.dll to alow for local fileurls
ie file://path_to_mp3/file.mp3#start-end

[DJ Egg]

New mp3cue plugin, updated for Winamp 5 :up:
http://www.guerillasoft.co.uk

[lostonline]

I've been looking for a plugin to do this for a while :)

Until now I've been using .apl (Ape Link files) to play individual tracks in my cue/audio files.

[bytemastr]

Originally posted by lostonline
I've been looking for a plugin to do this for a while :)

Until now I've been using .apl (Ape Link files) to play individual tracks in my cue/audio files.

Hmph... I never could wrap my mind around .APL files/functionality for one reason or another.

[DJ Egg]

hmm, so is the new mp3cue plugin working alright for you guys then?

btw... damn, didn't know there was already an .apl filetype.
Winamp plans to use this extension for the new aac plus (http://www.codingtechnologies.com/products/aacPlus.htm) format...

[BKDotCom]

I haven't noticed anything different about it. (Other than requiring me to go out and find/download msvcr70.dll)

Doesn't "borrow" modern skin from playlist as advertised.

[DJ Egg]

Yeah, you're right.
I just installed it, and it's using the classic skin frame, not modern.

Might be a good idea to report it here (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=186269)


Hmm... from the homepage (http://www.guerillasoft.co.uk/mp3cue/index.html)...

Quote: "Mp3cue can either use its own skin, or use the skin currently in use by the Winamp Playlist. You can also modify the default skin (contained in 'winamp/plugins/mp3cue_skin')"

It definitely works with all classic skins, but heh, I'm sot sure if it even supports modern skins.
Let's see... I might try replacing pledit.bmp, pledit.txt and text.bmp with the versions from the Winamp5 Classified (http://www.winamp.com/skins/details.php?id=138231) skin...

Yeah, works...

[DJ Egg]

Ok, the above method works fine if you're using the default Winamp Modern Skin.
If you're using some other modern skin then you're out of luck at the moment.

Extract the files in the zip to the "Winamp\Plugins\mp3cue_skin" folder.
Note, there's also a Backup folder in the zip which contains the original default files.

[UltraZelda64]

Don't know if this is a false alarm (not going to bother installing it), but... see attachment.

[lostonline]

Originally posted by UltraZelda64
Don't know if this is a false alarm (not going to bother installing it), but... see attachment. That doesn't look good!

[DJ Egg]

Is that from Pest Patrol?
Looks like a false positive to me.
Someone else reported it on irc the other day, with the tv plugin installer.
If I were you I'd contact the Pest Patrol people and tell them that their software is wrongly detecting the new nsis (http://nsis.sourceforge.net/) installer as a BTV Industries Dialer.

Trust me, there is no malware/trojan/dialer/spyware included with the mp3cue plugin installer.

Latest SpybotSD, Adaware, Spywareblaster and SpywareGuard are all configured to detect BTV crap, but none of them detected anything here....

[UltraZelda64]

Okay, just warning. Yes, it's from Pest Patrol. I don't normally use it, I just recently downloaded a trial version, and who knows - the "real" latest version of their software (assuming like many companies they give out-of-date trial versions) may not cause this positive. Not sure how old this version is (actually, I uninstalled it a while ago), but it wasn't downloaded very long ago. I didn't bother installing the cue program either (really don't have much use for it, so decided not to). I just thought maybe I should bring this to everyone's attention since the plugin is being recommended here, just in case it is true. This is the only program that caused a pop-up like this since it's been installed.

[DJ Egg]

Yeah, but it's not true.
So report it to the Pest Patrol people.

[3ngel]

Hi, many compliments to you winamp developers for the wonderful work you've done until now.
But i sincerely don't understand why you are so blind about implementing native .cue support. Well i'll explain you some basic and interesting considerations..
1) Nowadays the standard to rip and play CD are with EAC and in the way of "CDImage.x + CDImage.cue". Pratically all ripped CD are in this format.
2) More than the half of users play (and want to play) files in this format
3) Up until now there is no perfectly working .cue plugin for winamp, and even the latest CuePlayer plugin can't seek and calculate lenght and tracks duration properly if files are played through DirectShow plugin.
4) Many, many users blame you for this, and are forced to swap to foobar2000 ONLY for the native .cue support.
5) I've read on MANY forums that people would gladly swap to winamp from foobar if there was native .cue support.

So a question :
It's your final goal to acquire as many users possible?
So why not to develop finally a SO SIMPLE playlist evolution, that support .cue in the exact way as .m3u?
Even from a "market point of view" i don't understand, why you don't understand the importance to implement this feature... mah...
Anyway much compliments again and i hope you'll understand my considerations.
Regards

[marenka]

I too have been waiting for this feature. The implimentation I would like to see would allow a cue file to be added to the playlist so that all the tracks would then appear in the playlist and there would be an "album" entry in the playlist so that the whole disc image would play straight through. That would allow for easy gapless playback of an album with all the tracks in correct order - something that is not always so easy with the current WA version.

[dorways]

Has anyone of you ever tried CUEPlayer (http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=143011) plugin?
I personaly find it much better than mp3cue...

[DJ Egg]

Yes. But CuePlayer plugin didn't exist when this thread began 15 months ago.
I did however add a link to it in the Wishlist sticky a fair few months ago.

[dorways]

:confused: Ooops ... Alrighty then!

[bytemastr]

Originally posted by bytemastr
...Thanks for the response, however, I would feel better,
...Rest of stuff deleted...
Thanks for your time.

I've tried my best to find an acceptable solution to the CUE problem and keep Winamp in the loop, however, the plug-ins out there and core Winamp support just isn't there to do it seamlessly the way I (and a lot of other people) think it should be done.

Given this, and the issue that the only way one can get an exact replica of a CD (including non-silence indecies such as (pre-)track gaps, etc. is to use EAC (and I use that name loosely because they only give you one option to do so) is in CDimage->CUE creation mode, and end up with a large file (be it a .wav or compressed).

With this in mind, it is completely unacceptable that a player cannot, will not, and/or refuses to support such a simple concept as a CUE sheet (correctly, if you take into account the present plug-ins out there).

I had resisted going to another player due to my long time association with Winamp and given the fact that FB2k is very arcane out of the box, however, I could wait no longer and took the plunge.

Now that the door is opened, I am finding a number of advantages (for my personal needs, anyhow) of FB2k with its 'less glitz' and more configurability--more configurability than I could ever dream possible with Winamp--perhaps not important for most, but important for people with large libraries and exacting/discerning needs.

I'm sorry to go and I'm sure I won't be missed, but I hope this open letter serves someone some good, besides myself, however, at least I can consider the CUE issue closed.

[3ngel]

Unfortunately, winamp developers dont's seem to understand such a basic question...
In my opinion winamp sound much better than foobar, but i now really start to miss such essential proper cue support (the plugin in the end is nothing that s*it), and in the truth i'm kinda deluded of this attitude of the developers, so even with the best intentions, i'm forced to start thinking to switch to foobar to obtain such a basic essential feauture.
I hope developers will understand now...

[Sinergie]

I also hope they implement native .cue support in winamp soon it shouldn't be that hard to program :) it would be a really nice addition and i think many people would be very happy with it

[lazerfisk]

I still would like to see my old idea of "grouping" tracks implemented with cue support.


Track 1 10:00
[+] MyCueSheet 20:00
Track 2 10:00



Track 1 10:00
[-] MyCueSheet 20:00
Track 3 05:00
Track 4 15:00
Track 2 10:00


I hope this makes sense :) Double-click the cuesheet entry (or playlist/category) to play whatever is in there... Or expand it and pick a track.

Cheers,
Christopher

[seansfoot]

I can't believe they STILL haven't implemented this.. I remember wishing Winamp could do this natively yeaars ago, and checking here, only to find that their "solution" is to use a buggy, crappy pluggin.. Bzzzt :down:

Geez, how hard would this be to add, and people without cuesheets would be none the wiser.



It's CLEARLY a highly sought-after feature, I mean look at the number of page views, replies, and the date of the thread.

Winamp developers ignoring this feature request --> :igor:

Dev's realising that good cuesheet support is a much needed feature and would make Winamp stand out from the crowd --> :cool:

[DrO]

the cueplayer plugin is less buggy now than it was at earlier posts. and as for it still not being done, stuff in the wishlist is just that, it's NEVER GUARANTEED to ever be implemented and the fact that there is even a 3rd party implementation (is at least 2 that i'm aware of is better than nothing). there is also the minor fact of little resources to devote to such a feature so if it's that much of an issue, the tools are out there for you to make your own implementation (without bugs i'd hope). so all i shall say further on this point is one man can only code so much and he's already coding his arse off on other aspects to keep people as happy as can be

-daz

[3ngel]

In this matter, they seems to be kinda like masochistic because more and more users have leaved winamp in favour of foobar ONLY BECAUSE OF .cue native support.

But at last i have to say that they haven't been so masochistic in order to not understand the importance to develop the 24 bit support :)

[thepyr0x]

Wow, CUEplayer doesn't do anything whatsoever for me....loads up the playlist with a bunch of track entries and won't play a single one. Meh, it's not the way I'd want cue sheets displayed anyways.

I'd rather have a seperate window (such as in MP3Cue, which works just fine - though it looks ugly) or have an expandable setup like what was suggested by laserfisk

I'll join in the chiming wondering why a decent solution to this has not been developed yet; but to blame this on the winamp developers and not the hoards of plugin developers wouldn't be at all right. Not like we can really harp on the totally unpaid plugin developers, but it's as much their fault as it is the winamp devs

DrO, why don't you make one for us? ;-)

[DrO]

Originally posted by thepyr0x
DrO, why don't you make one for us? ;-) because i've got far too much on my plate already and have no interest in cue files ;)

-daz

[draganmi]

So, I guess, we'll have to lick somebody's shoes to get an ordinary and very reasonable feature?

[composer]

Originally posted by DrO
...have no interest in cue files ;)
...probably because you do not understand that CD image +cue is the natural way of storing music.

It is the same as you do not have a file on CD for each track, but one with indexes.

[DrO]

well that was a great mis-quote

i don't disagree that for some people cue support is important but for me as a user, it's not something that appeals or fits in with how i handle my media (purely mp3's and most have been purchased as that so i've only a few cases where i could even have a cd image+cue setup). hence why it's not something i'd look to even work on (that and the fact i don't have anytime to work on any of my projects now).

the meaning of that mis-quoted part was that there's no point in getting a 3rd party dev to implement something (already done by other 3rd party devs) when they have no interest/normal usage of the thing being requested - it just ends up in a lack lustre/poor implementation and what use is that to those who'd end up using the feature? it'd just be a waste of time for all concerned.

-daz

[Skip197]

Sigh. I got all excited about the CUE Player plugin, but it's not working reliably.

In the absence of proper CUE support for Winamp, can someone recommend another solution for publishing long performances, in a lossily compressed format, which play seamlessly from start to finish, but still having song marker functionality? If the markers can be embedded IN the file itself, that would be a plus. I know that FLAC supports this, but that's lossless - files too large.

Greg.

[seansfoot]

...well I guess this will remain just a wish on a wishlist then... :(

[jerimiah40]

To all of the people who whine about this 'easy feature' not being implemented, and anyone who is going to in the future - Why not make it yourself? If it's so easy to do, then go ahead, make everyone happy!

I dabble in a bit of programming, and very little is actually as easy as people think it is.

[Skip197]

I never said it was easy, that's for sure. I just think it's logical for folks to request this feature. It's been a standard "feature" of CDs for decades now, and it is logical for a premium player such as Winamp to provide it.

Greg.

[bitchtow]

Whats the big deal, if it's obviously so simple to create a plugin supporting cue sheets, why don't the 4 of you (or however many) that are moaning that it's such an important feature lacking, get together and do something about it. Because it is oh so simple.

BTW, during my many years of downloading music, I have only ever seen 1 user with a big audio file and a cue with it, just 1. So I somehow doubt that half the users of winamp do, seeing as you say it has no cue support except via a terrible 3rd party plugin. I also doubt that such a proportion of foobar users use cue's either.

Funnily enough, no ripping crews I know of use cue files either, just some individuals that have been moaning for years, and are still using winamp.

EDIT: btw, jeramiah, sorry for treading on your toes, I thought it was only a 1 page long thread, my bad.

and skip, it's been a standard feature of cd's for years, yeah, because an ultra simple file table would have been the easiest way to do it. But if the reason cue support is needed is to hear the varying pauses in between tracks, then wouldn't it be more logical to sort out the ripped file instead, and moan to the EAC developer that it's not inserting the correct silence/whatever in the lead in/out of each track.

Wait, I think I read earlier that he wasn't interested

[Skip197]

Originally posted by bitchtow
and skip, it's been a standard feature of cd's for years, yeah, because an ultra simple file table would have been the easiest way to do it. But if the reason cue support is needed is to hear the varying pauses in between tracks, then wouldn't it be more logical to sort out the ripped file instead, and moan to the EAC developer that it's not inserting the correct silence/whatever in the lead in/out of each track.

No, you misunderstand completely. I want CDs which do NOT have any silence between the tracks to be stored in a single file, AND for the ability to skip between the tracks. These CDs play seamlessly from start to finish, with no gaps between the tracks. However, it is still useful to be able to navigate between the tracks.

I've been able to use the Matroska format for the time being, along with the Media Player Classic player. It's very easy to convert a single audio file plus the CUE file into a single MKA file - works a treat. I have not yet tried to play the MKA file in Winamp to see whether Winamp makes use of the chapter info.

Greg.

[bitchtow]

Well, I have a ton of albums ripped to mp3, that seamlessly transition from track to track (if of course the tracks bleed into one another, and not have a pause in the audio stream) and I'm using winamp 5.35, no additional plugins. Maybe you should try reripping your music to mp3 and see if it works for you.

[Skip197]

Ok, I'll give that a go (out of curiousity) but that doesn't solve my immediate problem, which is to convert a cassette recording to a "chaptered" MP3 recording, and an associated CD.

I agree though - there is no requirement to have a single MP3, if the player can play the seperate MP3s back to back without any glitches.

iTunes does work well for gapless playback too.

EDIT: In case you are wondering, no, I have not yet tried splitting my single MP3 into seperate MP3s with anything. I was thinking that this would produce glitches unless the authoring software was very carefully designed. But perhaps this assumption is incorrect.

Regards,
Greg.

[Skip197]

Winamp isn't even playing a *CD* back without a glitch between tracks!!

V5.35.

EDIT: Ah, I have to play with the buffering, I assume. Sorry. (I've never had to do this in Windows Media Player)

EDIT 2: I have not been able to completely eliminate the glitch between tracks yet, even after tweaking the buffer settings. Interesting. The glitch is occurring between tracks, using the "Play Folder" command to play an original CD.

Greg.

[NPeete]

I'm using the mp3cue plugin for years(it was quite hard to find - CUE player plugin just can't worked to me), but i'm wondering why winamp still hasn't got native cue sheet support.
This topic was begun in 2004, the feature has been put on the wishlist for 4 years, but no results so far... I think this thing could be quite embarrassing for the Winamp developers...
It's time to do something!

[Bakli]

hello,
my big wish: support of tag cuesheet into FLAC-files like this plugin (http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details/145581)
thx

[homes32]

nice. way to exhume a year old thread. perhaps you could read the Official Wish List (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64975) next time?

[NPeete]

Originally posted by homes32
nice. way to exhume a year old thread. perhaps you could read the Official Wish List (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64975) next time?

hmmmm just that's the point - this feature has been on the wishlist since 2004 and still no results - i'm wondering if any of the developers would remember this... no problem though, i've already bowed to it...

[bytemastr]

Although I've been a happy FB2K customer for years now, I came back here to see if this was ever resolved and much to my dismay some 4-5 years later it hasn't.

I've come to the conclusion that Winamp is geared for the kiddies who play their 'popular' MP3s versus other players w/ CUE support which are for people who care about completely and accurately duplicating their CD libraries.

Originally posted by NPeete
hmmmm just that's the point - this feature has been on the wishlist since 2004 and still no results - i'm wondering if any of the developers would remember this... no problem though, i've already bowed to it...

[DJ Egg]

Never say never ;)

[georec]

I am waiting several years now for native cue support in WA.
That's the only feature I miss in WA. Meanwhile I use the mp3cue 5.0 plugin.

[DrO]

why do it natively when there's already plugins out there to do it seeing as any 'native' implementation would probably be done as a plugin as well (just like the one i tried to do which does all of the cue parsing but was having issues with getting the playback to start at the correct point without the visualiser messing up, etc...)

this feature has been on the wishlist since 2004 and still no resultsthe wishlist is just that, it's not a set list of things that will be done.

-daz

[CycoTron]

why do it natively when there's already plugins out there to do it seeing as any 'native' implementation would probably be done as a plugin as well (just like the one i tried to do which does all of the cue parsing but was having issues with getting the playback to start at the correct point without the visualiser messing up, etc...)

the wishlist is just that, it's not a set list of things that will be done.

-daz

For the same reason that winamp assimilated ml_ipod's functions. To make things easier for everyone.

[BKDotCom]

¿Is there a plugin that actually works?

[/usr/bin/Tux]

why do it natively when there's already plugins out there to do it
B/c the plugins out there are broken with recent Winamp builds. :confused:

[DrO]

if the authors of those plug-ins aren't updating them then there's not a lot which can be done as it'd then require someone to re-create things again. there's also the thing of whether a new cue-parser should be exact to the cue specifications (like Foobar2000 does) or is it a loose implementation which will play all of the broken versions of cue files but then means broken files will still keep floating around.

either way the main hurdle here is having a lack of developer resources to implement anything unless someone wants to offer me a reasonable sum of money and i'll then do a decent version which will work with recent clients - i am genuinely serious with this offer.

-daz

[/usr/bin/Tux]

So what's "reasonable"?

[DrO]

£10 * number of non-moderators who've posted in this thread i'd say...

-daz

[/usr/bin/Tux]

OK, that's quite too reasonable for me then.

[DrO]

i'd never expect one person to stump up the funds (based on what i'm expending a month whilst i'm out of work). with the number of people requesting proper cue support it easily drops to £5/person (or less) just from the last 2-3 months.

-daz

[Bilbo9955]

DrO,
Glad to see that you have taken on this project. Do you have a feel for how long it will take?

[DrO]

er, i've not taken it on. i would if there was the financial side (and what i've roughly priced it as is probably a massive-understatement of the real coding cost of doing it).

i would assume it'd be about a months solid coding to get something to a useable / testable position if done, hence the need to cover my expenses for that time (as i've priced it as and also the value seems to be a fair amount based on the number of requests made for proper cue support - i just can't spend a month on something for free when i'm trying to learn another programming language and find a job at the same time).

however there doesn't seem to be the interest from other users to fund it so i guess it'll just go back to waiting for it not to be implemented (again).

-daz

[Bilbo9955]

Yes, I think that it is a fair price for the plugin. I would buy it, but you need an "it" to be bought.

[DrO]

and this is where the issue there-in lies as i don't have the means to work on something for a month for free upfront... so i guess i won't be doing it then.

-daz

[Bilbo9955]

I understand that it is too difficult for you. Hopefully a more experienced programmer will pike up the challenge.

[DrO]

i don't think you've quite followed what i've written in prior posts, it's not beyond me as i've already written the main part of a cue file parser back in 2007, it's just i can't keep doing things for Winamp for free all of the time when other people seem to make money out of it with doing bugger all work. either way it doesn't matter now as there's been no interest from other people so i'll just use that as an indication of the demand for a proper plug-in.

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i'll just note that people have contributed in the past to getting ipod support but there's been more posters for cue support in a comparable time-scale to when ipod support was being requested yet no one wants to contribute.

and it's not like a massive amount is being asked for - just to cover my bills for the time-scale required and it'd be a free plug-in at the end of it all like ml_ipod was with the contribution to paying for devices which no one requests back from Will despite having left the project years ago so what's the difference?

plus with the lack of response i might as well remove the offer to do it as people just don't seem to care / want it as much as they've kept claiming even though it'd be implemented a lot sooner than would ever get officially done if at all.

-daz

[MrSinatra]

DrO,

what is total amount you're looking for?

what i am finding, is that i am basically happy with HQ mp3's for most of my music. however, there are some albums where perfect album playback is preferred... beatles, pink floyd, etc... some of these are meant to be played as albums, not tracks.

for albums like that, i would like to rip the entire CD to a perfect FLAC image of the CD, with all the silences and gaps and everything bit for bit perfect. i would then want a cue sheet embedded in the FLAC tag, and i would want winamp to support that, not just playback, but ripping and burning as well.

in addition, i'd want the tracks listed separately and seekable in the ML and player, and the embedded cue sheet to be editable via the ML.

tall order i suppose, but this is the kind of thing the music maniacs are looking for. if winamp did all the above, it might be the only app that did so, and that would be good for winamp.

as an aside, winamp badly needs a "smartgain" feature, where whats cued in the playlist determines if trackgain, or albumgain should be used for playback.

[DrO]

as an aside, winamp badly needs a "smartgain" feature, where whats cued in the playlist determines if trackgain, or albumgain should be used for playback.it already sort of does that with the preferred source in the preferences being used and then trying to use the other if that isn't there.

in addition, i'd want the tracks listed separately and seekable in the ML and player, and the embedded cue sheet to be editable via the ML.the first two aspects would have been how it would work, the third not so easily but could be feasible via an additional page on the file editor dialog (only way i can think off being able to expose access to the cue file) though there's then issues with adding it for the different file formats (ideally it would be done like the album art page is but can be done in a more hackish way to still work) and getting the input plug-ins to cope with reading / saving it to the file (something that really could only be done with updating the plug-ins).


the main aim really was to get cue support working in the player more like a playlist (as cue files effectively behave like) and to allow for the correct handling of the entries as individual files as they should behave like. i'm not surprised to see the comment about being able to edit the cue file in the file(s) but that was something of a later down the road option if i'd done this.


anyway, it doesn't matter now how much i was looking to make the plug-in as there's been no interest from anyone (there's been one or two posts elsewhere complaining about the other plug-ins being broken and that's it) and things have now changed in my circumstances so i don't have a month to give away on such a project.

-daz

[stopasking]

I was looking for a working cue plungin for a really long time, I gave up. And, I uninstalled winamp, cause I need those cue sheet support. KMPlayer plays cue sheets in all colours!

[Bilbo9955]

Maybe winamp could hire some of their programmers?

[DrO]

if the community cba to fund it (at what was a very small cost per user based on the number of people wanting it) then why should it be done natively?

people want everything for free but don't consider the time and effort involved in making anything. its no wonder that plug-in and skin development for the player has drastically waned in the last few years (and probably will continue to do so) yet a few $ on an app and no one seems to bothered to pay out for it. maybe i should have gone with the shareware / nagware approach...

-daz

[MrSinatra]

it already sort of does that with the preferred source in the preferences being used and then trying to use the other if that isn't there.

i'm sorry, but it really does NOT sort of do this.

any user who knows what they are doing, will have both track and album tags. then to get the proper playback, they need to (in winamp) manually set track RG unless they are listening to an album in correct track order.

this is an easy logic to define via the playlist cue, is a whole album cued up in order, or no? slim stuff detects this automatically, and dynamically sets playback RG properly automatically. winamp should too.

its bizarre to suggest users shouldn't have both sets of tags, imho. besides, it leads to broken exp w/other apps.

the first two aspects would have been how it would work, the third not so easily but could be feasible via an additional page on the file editor dialog (only way i can think off being able to expose access to the cue file) though there's then issues with adding it for the different file formats (ideally it would be done like the album art page is but can be done in a more hackish way to still work) and getting the input plug-ins to cope with reading / saving it to the file (something that really could only be done with updating the plug-ins).


the main aim really was to get cue support working in the player more like a playlist (as cue files effectively behave like) and to allow for the correct handling of the entries as individual files as they should behave like. i'm not surprised to see the comment about being able to edit the cue file in the file(s) but that was something of a later down the road option if i'd done this.


anyway, it doesn't matter now how much i was looking to make the plug-in as there's been no interest from anyone (there's been one or two posts elsewhere complaining about the other plug-ins being broken and that's it) and things have now changed in my circumstances so i don't have a month to give away on such a project.

-daz

if the community cba to fund it (at what was a very small cost per user based on the number of people wanting it) then why should it be done natively?

people want everything for free but don't consider the time and effort involved in making anything. its no wonder that plug-in and skin development for the player has drastically waned in the last few years (and probably will continue to do so) yet a few $ on an app and no one seems to bothered to pay out for it. maybe i should have gone with the shareware / nagware approach...

-daz

i understand what you are saying but winamp itself is free, and so are its many competitors. i think a lot of people, like myself, who are askig for this or that, whether it be cue sheets, ratings, what have you, are more or less looking to keep winamp from falling behind, as opposed to breaking new ground.

an app that reads embedded cuesheets for FLACs (like slim stuff seems to do) would at the very least replace winamp for that use, ie. i'd use it instead of winamp, for listening to albums i considered worthy enough to be single FLAC rips. beatles, floyd, etc...

while its true that i could go to an all mp3tag, Slim/SBS ecosystem, and never need winamp again, i don't want to. i loike winamp much more, and my pref would be for me to only use mp3tag and slim stuff when i HAD to, which i hope to keep rare.

i can't speak to the winamp business model, but they seem to add things for free quite a bit... podcast support, android, etc... they seem interested in it. personally, i think they should stop adding some of the new bells and whistles and debug the ML, but part of that, imo, is in having features that at the very least keep it on par with competitors. i think cue sheets, esp those embedded in single file rips, will start to become a lot more normal and widespread. its stuff like that that sends people to foobar, and leave winamp.

anyway, jmo.

[/usr/bin/Tux]

I (myself) will still stick with Winamp and cue splitting applications because foobar2000 will never give me this look and feel. But I think that many of Winamp's users are not "advanced" enough to do the same.

[MrSinatra]

foobar will spilt a single file into separate files based on a cue sheet, but what i am asking for is the opposite. use (& edit) an embedded cue sheet in a single file in winamp.