How was your voting experience?

[protegechris]

Anyone here go and have massive lines? I went with my mom here in texarkana (population 80,000) and there were literally hundreds of people with cantidate signs so I walked around saying "go kerry" and "bush hates black people" (:p) and then when we left we drove by and I finally shouted "BUSH SUCKS"

Sorry, my opinion on bush sucking, let's not turn this into an arguement over cantidates.

[DuaneJeffers]

Mine was rather enjoyable ... only because I was naked at the time I was voting.

-Duane

[Blayze]

Umm, yeah lets not.

But actually, we went right after I got off of work..
my boss let everyone off a half hour early to vote. But
there was no line at all. Got in and out in about 10 minutes.

[aFfLiCtEd]

My voting experience was similar to that of Blayze.

[Psythik]

Originally posted by protegechris
Anyone here go and have massive lines? I went with my mom here in texarkana (population 80,000) and there were literally hundreds of people with cantidate signs so I walked around saying "go kerry" and "bush hates black people" (:p) and then when we left we drove by and I finally shouted "BUSH SUCKS"

My experience was quite like that... 'cept many people in the 5 hour line were chanting "Bush, Bush, BUSH!" and then someone shouted "That faggot Kerry can suck my COCK!" Funny how most peoples' opinions are stronly leaning on one side or another depending on which state one is in...

[shakey_snake]

I voted absentee.

[squakMix]

Lets see...
he's:

Against abortion,
Bringing religion into the white house,
Censoring our nation (He has ties to the fcc and clearchannel)
and he started an almost completely ungrounded war.


Wow, looks good to me.

why NOT bush :rolleyes:

Fuck, ignore me: I'm just ranting.

[ctn|chrisw]

the lady at the voting place thought my 19 year old sister was 12 XD

[Myxomatosis]

Originally posted by protegechris
Anyone here go and have massive lines? I went with my mom here in texarkana (population 80,000) and there were literally hundreds of people with cantidate signs so I walked around saying "go kerry" and "bush hates black people" (:p) and then when we left we drove by and I finally shouted "BUSH SUCKS"

Sorry, my opinion on bush sucking, let's not turn this into an arguement over cantidates.

Rock on:cool:

Originally posted by squakMix
Lets see...
he's:

Against abortion,
Bringing religion into the white house,
Censoring our nation (He has ties to the fcc and clearchannel)
and he started an almost completely ungrounded war.


Wow, looks good to me.

why NOT bush :rolleyes:

Fuck, ignore me: I'm just ranting.

Don't forget gay rights and meaningless tax cuts.

[PrintScrn]

2 hour + lines at my university

[m0e]

Woke up late this morning so I didn’t have time to vote before work. Which I thought was just fine because on my way to work the radio was talking about the lines at the polls. I decided I would be better off eating than standing at line during my lunch break so I waited until after work to vote. Spent about an hour in line, listening to my iPod and playing solitaire. When my wife got home she said she went at lunch and was in and out in about five minutes, go figure.

[Psythik]

Originally posted by squakMix
Lets see...
he's: Against abortion,



That alone is enough to make me vote republican. Abortion is murder, and anyone who tries to convince me otherwise can GO FUCK THEMSELVES. :mad:

As you can see, I take the abortion matter very serously, and will never date a girl who disagrees with me on the case.


Ok I'm done now.

[squakMix]

I heard somewhere that in third world countries that didnt allow abortions, pregnant women that really really didnt want a baby would get someone to KICK them in the stomach, or they'd take illgal drugs to kill it.

[Phyltre]

Gee, I guess that makes abortion right.

[squakMix]

:rolleyes: it's their body, and their life. It's better than just dumping their baby in a dumpster after it's been born.

[InvisableMan]

falling off topic a bit? people here never seem to be able to stay on topic for more than a page anymore anyways without it resorting to liberal ranting or asking whores for titty pictures :P

my voting experience was wonderful, because i didn't vote. missed out by a couple months :(

[protegechris]

I DON'T WANT BUSH TO WIN. IT'S A WASTE OF MY LIFE.

I guess we'll move on the polls. 237 - 188 now, bush leading.

:(

[Phyltre]

I voted, it was moderately fun.

[Namelessv1]

What's with the disparity among the different news organizations on called electoral votes?

Foxnews.com:
Bush - 210
kerry - 144

CNN.com:
Bush - 207
Kerry - 188

MSNBC.com:
Bush - 207
Kerry - 199

[InvisableMan]

spin

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

ABCnews.go.com:
Bush - 237
Kerry - 188

C-Span.org
Bush - 237
Kerry - 188

[MStar]

CNN: Bush 246, Kerry 195
NBC: Bush 219, Kerry 206
CBS: Bush 246, Kerry 207
FOX: Bush 210, Kerry 144
ABC: Bush 246, Kerry 195

[Coman]

FUCK! it looks like bush is gonna win. FUCK! people are stupid.

[InvisableMan]

shouldn't this be in breaking news now?

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

Kerry NEEDS OH, MN, WI, and MI, and ANY one of the other states.

[DuaneJeffers]

Bush got OH.

-Duane

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

Which means our nation just got reamed up the ass with no lube.

[MStar]

I don't give Bush OH yet. CNN hasn't called it and Kerry is only 100k votes behind now.

[Mattress]

I voted last week, voting itself wasn't all that exciting, but talking to the big firefighter in line in front of me was cool.

What's with the dumb elections for positions where's there's only one candidate? I wrote in and voted for all my friends for those positions. I means what's the point really?

[InvisableMan]

it looks that everyone who is anti-bush seems to feel that they got cheated by the majority of the country

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

Indeed.

Know who will run in 2008 for President? Jeb Bush, with GW as VP. You watch.

[Mattress]

hahah, that'd be hilarious.

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

Not really. Insted of 8 years of Bush, he'll work around it to get 16 years of Bush.

[Mattress]

yeah but the most powerful person in the world would be named Jeb.

Come on, that's funny.

[BMWboy]

i stopped at the my pollihg place around 6:45, I wlak in the door and see a huge line, I figure this is gonna take a while. then I found out that was the K-Q line and the line I needed to be in G-J was empty. I walked in, got my card, punched in my votes on the computer, gave the card back and walked out the door. over all in and out in under 5 min

[d0rk]

Took maybe 10 minutes because I had to fill out another form because this is my first year voting.

[Wolfgang]

I will be really annoyed if Bush wins. Really. And abortion is right upto a certain age of the foetus, about 4 months I'd say.

[PrintScrn]

Originally posted by ScYtH

That alone is enough to make me vote republican. Abortion is murder, and anyone who tries to convince me otherwise can GO FUCK THEMSELVES. :mad:

As you can see, I take the abortion matter very serously, and will never date a girl who disagrees with me on the case.


Ok I'm done now. it's people like you who destroy the process. You hear "against abortion" and BAM! that's all you ever hear from then on out. You have an incredible narrow view on abobortion. What if the girl becomes pregnant from her father? She will be forced to have that child? Rape?

And nobody seems to ever give a damn about the father of the child's wishes. What if the father wants to keep the baby, even if it is his own. Does anyone have to ask him? Nope.

Right now in this god damn country everyone sees abortion as killing babies or killing some girls' "right to choose". It's more complex that that you idiots! I swear to god there should be an IQ test beofore your allowed to vote.

[Mattress]

One of my mother's good friends was concieved in a rape. Go tell her she should have been aborted.

Good point about the father though. No one cares about his wishes, but he still has to pay child support if the child is born.

Abortion is killing humans though, no matter how you look at it human fetuses/zygotes/etc. have the exact same DNA as humans who have been born.

[Vie]

Quoted from above
"That faggot Kerry can suck my COCK!"

"Hay, at least with Kerry your not the one being fucked!"


I need to read less fanfiction...

[Phyltre]

It's obvious that voting should be looked upon with as much hatred as, say, abortion or brain-eating zombies.

(sarcasm.)

[CaboWaboAddict]

BOT...

I had a good voting experience. Got there at 7:15 AM. There was a massive line, possibly 800 people, but I got out in 50 minutes. There were 16 voting machines, ATM type, large print, very easy to understand and use.

Only saw one screw up... A young guy had a registration card, but wasn't on the rolls. His parents were though and he lived at home. They let him vote on a paper ballot, after filling out a form. This caused about a 5 minute delay for him.

[PrintScrn]

Originally posted by Mattress
One of my mother's good friends was concieved in a rape. Go tell her she should have been aborted. nobody is saying she should have been aborted, but some believe the mother should have the option.

[CaboWaboAddict]

Originally posted by squakMix
:rolleyes: it's their body, and their life. It's better than just dumping their baby in a dumpster after it's been born.

Its not only their body, there is another one too.

Dumping the baby in a dumpster is the most selfish thing I can think of after having an abortion.

Why not let someone adopt? There are literally thousands of people that want to adopt that can't because there are not enough kids to adopt.

The friggin' 'ME Generation' needs to start thinking about someone else for a change.

[Mattress]

so based on the circumstances of someone's conception, you should have the option to deny that person life?

[PrintScrn]

for the record, I am against abortion. I believ it should only be used for cases of incest and if it is a health risk to the mother. I brought up the other points earlier to show that people only have a black white view.

[sandb937]

Originally posted by squakMix
Lets see...
he's:

Against abortion,
Bringing religion into the white house,
Censoring our nation (He has ties to the fcc and clearchannel)


well that looks like good family values to me. why is it when prayer was taken out of school did the major problems go from chewing bubble gum to shooting classmates and attacking teachers. But kerry wanted to sell the governing of our nation to to the un. Whats that about. Screw that lets keep our governing at home where it belongs.

Originally posted by
Myxomatosis
Don't forget gay rights and meaningless tax cuts.


as far as gay rights I dont agree with a gay couple being "married". in my opinion it is not natural and does not support a core family.

When it comes to the tax cuts I dont know of one person that got a return before tax season that complained when the check arrived in the mail. It helped the economy. what is the first thing that you do when you get the unexpected check in the mail. cash it and go shoping!!!

When it comes to the economy statistically this is one of the best times that the economy has been in.

I did vote for bush an I will continue to vote for the party that holds fast to the values that I hold dear, Republican or Democrate.

[PrintScrn]

Originally posted by sandb937
as far as gay rights I dont agree with a gay couple being "married". in my opinion it is not natural and does not support a core family. So why do we allow divorce? Surely you can't think I one parent family is a core family as well (whatever a "core family" is).

[sandb937]

Originally posted by PrintScrn
So why do we allow divorce? Surely you can't think I one parent family is a core family as well (whatever a "core family" is).

I never said that I agree with divorce. I think that people like britney spears give a bad name and a bad example of our justical laws. they think that they can get married and divorced on a whim. It is not right!! Marriage is intended to be between a man and a woman till death do them part. If God was mor a part of families and poeples lives then He would tell you that this is the person that is right for you.

[protegechris]

My conclusion is america is full of dumb motherfuckers. Can they not see that bush has not done anything but build debt, destroy lives, and stutter, and has no fucking plan for the future? Can they not see that He's making it so once the younger generation is older, we'll have to undo whatever he does?

I honestly don't believe bush won fair and square. I don't think america is that stupid.

http://video.msn.com/video/p.htm?i=aa6a82cf-9578-407a-b70a-5948cf3a3808,62378dec-21db-4afa-8f76-d68b6de855d6,919edacc-e319-4e0e-9e3c-fe95ad9901c1&m=News&mi=Decision%202004


We're doomed.

by sandb937

When it comes to the economy statistically this is one of the best times that the economy has been in.


What imaginary world are you living in?

[CaboWaboAddict]

Originally posted by protegechris
What imaginary world are you living in?

Quite possibly one that is closer to the real world than the one you are living in.

[sandb937]

Originally posted by CaboWaboAddict
Quite possibly one that is closer to the real world than the one you are living in.

CRAP!!! you beat me to it. Thanks

And for the record. Major business industries are going up at such a rate and houses are being build so rapidly that the building supply companies can not keep up. and yes I know first hand cus I am the one doing the drawings so these residence and industries can 1. invest in the economy and 2. can employ more people. The economy can not survive without people investing in it and what a better way to do so than to have a 15 to 30 yr morgage and investing in the economy all the while.

[protegechris]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/assetpool/images/04126165742_deficit.jpg


How about your children, sisters, brothers, etc., they don;t have money so they join the army to pay for college tuition. Then we send them to war. Then we extend their serving time, then we call you and say "oh by the way your *insert relative title here* is dead"

I wouldn't be against bush if he would be more efficient with the war.

[sandb937]

what does that have to due with the economy?!!! It is not the Presidents fault that the college tuition cost as much as it does. Why dont you go after the colleges. why do they charge 300 dollars for a used book. Send your kids to a tech school skip all the university bull crap and they can still get a better job then most college grads working at McDonalds.


PS. If someone works hard enough they can pay there own way to go through college.

[CaboWaboAddict]

Originally posted by sandb937
If someone works hard enough they can pay there own way to go through college.

I did.:)

[Mattress]

college isn't that expensive, in state tuition is pretty cheap ($3-4k/semester). If you really want to pay a lot, got to a private school. I go to a private art school and it's $10k/semester.

[PrintScrn]

I go to a state school, I live at home, I have two jobs, and 400 dollars to my name. When I get out I will owe about 16 grand in loans. I have an older car with full insurance (I'm not getting screwed because of some drunk frat kid runing his car into mine) and I have good student discount (b average) and no moving violates/claims discount. Insurance costs me 800 bucks every 6 months.

How again am I not working hard enough to try to pay my way through college?

/major edit
I pay bi-annual, not monthly. Huge error there :p
Next five posts were made pre-edit.

[Mattress]

switch your insurance company, that's WAY too much even with high coverage.

I pay less than that for 6 months of coverage. I have a $500 deductible 500,000 bodily injury, 100,000 property damage, 5,000 medical expence per person, 100,000 uninsured/underinsured motorist.

[Cheezychops]

Originally posted by sandb937
CRAP!!! you beat me to it. Thanks

And for the record. Major business industries are going up at such a rate and houses are being build so rapidly that the building supply companies can not keep up. and yes I know first hand cus I am the one doing the drawings so these residence and industries can 1. invest in the economy and 2. can employ more people. The economy can not survive without people investing in it and what a better way to do so than to have a 15 to 30 yr morgage and investing in the economy all the while.

Indeed, I live in ohio and do Electrical drawings for large factories to small busineses. There has been HUGE growth in the industries expanding around our area. In fact, according to my co-workers, 4 to 5 years ago, when (Clinton went out, and Bush came in)was when the real economic hardships were.
If this trend continues I see good things for the economy (at least in my area.)

[squakMix]

Originally posted by sandb937
well that looks like good family values to me.


Guess what: IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER. Just because you believe in the "wholesome" christian family doesnt mean I DO. Christianity should BE LEFT OUT of government, as specifically stated in the constitution.

There are so many things violating the constitution right now it's mind boggling. Censorship, for example.

@cabbo: No, i meant people that have children and dont want them end up just dumping them in a dumpster. It's worse than abortion by far.

/rant

Fuck me: I'm being an asshole. I'm in a bad mood. Dont take anything I said personally.

[sandb937]

@ SquakMix

Don't forget that our country was founded Christian values. But regardless of that we are not talking about a "wholesome" christian family. Family regardless of religion or non-religion has always been a man a woman and children. After hundreds if not thousand of years of that being the norm now we should change it because people want to try to prove how normal they are? We are not talking about getting seats in the front of the bus, or using the same bathroom, or even talking about voting homosexuals can do all that. But reconfiguring the family stucture to suit the homosexual "agenda" that is just asking for trouble!

[protegechris]

In 2008 I will revive this thread and we'll see what the USA is like then.

I will be 18 next election...Shit. I'll miss voting by one month. dammit. Oh well.

I've not heard one person give me a list of good things bush has done.

[Coman]

what if close relatives have a kid, its likely to have side effects and a miserable life as a result; what if its a 14 year old who's been raped by her grandfather.
everytime a male masturbates that's a potential human gets flushed down the toilet. who cares what his/her DNA would be, it would still be a human. what if a woman takes that semen and instead puts it in her uterus (much like women who want to have kids but they dont have a partner or he/she can't perform) and conceives and has a baby who matures into an adult. tell her she should have been flushed down to sewer and never live like trillians and trillians of them do. i guess we should abolish masturbation.
"Being a parent is a profound responsibility--financial, psychological, moral--across decades. Raising a child demands time, effort, thought and money. It's a full-time job for the first three years, consuming thousands of hours after that--as caretaker, supervisor, educator and mentor. To a woman who does not want it, this is a death sentence."

the country was found on christianity because it was found by few people who believed in christianity but they quickly realized for a free country there has to be separations of religions. and that's what it became famous for and a good place to live in. that's why there's a separation of church and state, which is sadly far from perfect. a man-woman relationship wasn't a norm for decades, people were just afraid of coming out because they wouldn't be accepted. there have always been homo- and bi- sexuals. and for many it's not a choice. i'm not even gonna get on what a marriage really is, or isn't, in reality, people take it too close to heart.

expanding a bit on religion, bush is gonna try and bring lots of it into state. he fucking said that abolishing Pledge of Allegiance because of "under God", which is a clear reference to religion, from public schools is a personal opinion getting in the way of judgement. help us god (pun) any of the supreme judges leave, some religious freak is gonna take their place. they been stalling for 4 years, now there is 4 more years ahead of them.

bad economy doesn't mean all industries stop and no new industries are build. the fact is the economy and job loss throughout the country wasn't as bad since great depression.

"the Bush administration has taken an aggressive approach to drug prosecution and mandatory minimum sentences for even minor drug crimes"
"Carrying 5 grams of crack cocaine (the equivalent of about five sugar packets) would land you in jail for five years. Fifty grams? Ten years." and that's just a mandatory minimum. there are murderers, rapists, manslaughters, and such who are doing less years.
"Kerry calls the current system wasteful in both human lives and tax dollars."
"John Kerry has said that progress on drug abuse depends on changing the approach to focus more heavily on treatment and education. He has promised to review the mandatory-sentencing rules that send thousands to prison for nonviolent minor drug crimes."
have one single drug abuse and you are denied on many applications such as one for federal aid, FAFSA, for life. even if you're completely cured.

i'm not even gonna touch war since evidently people just don't understand what it is to die, to lose a life, especially wasted like that. i guess it's better than abortion.

[Psythik]

Losing semen in masturbation however, is completly different than getting an abortion. Semen inside men, and the eggs inside a woman are simply DNA cells until they are joined to form a human being immediately on contact. Masturbation in itself, therefore, is not as wrong considering that semen itself is not a living thing (unlike when its joined with an egg); and anyhow, the male body will lose his semen (via wet dream) once a month anyway if he does not masturbate (kinda like how a woman has her period once a month, 'cept for her it is much less... "pleasurable").

Moreover, honestly, I do not understand what the big dilemma is about saying "under god" in the pledge. Doing so has never killed anyone.

You do, however, make a good point on the drug issue. I would have to agree with you that five years for crack is a little high.

[Coman]

Originally posted by ScYtH
Moreover, honestly, I do not understand what the big dilemma is about saying "under god" in the pledge. Doing so has never killed anyone.
little things contribute to the big scheme of things.

[Mattress]

Originally posted by Coman
"under God", which is a clear reference to religion

The constitution also references God, we should probably throw that POS out too.

honestly, who really gives a shit about this? and why?

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

Because not everyone in school believes in (a) god and a lot of those probably don't want to be forced to acknowledge the existence of (a) god by stating that they live under him.

I'm an atheist and god does not exist, therefore, I refuse to have to say "under god" during school (which is state, not church), or any other event that plays the Pledge of Allegiance. If church and sate are going to be separate, as it is supposed to be, then religion needs to be left out of politics and government, regardless if it is something as "simple" as "under god" being in the Pledge of Allegiance. My opinions and I'm sticking to them.

[Mattress]

just seems like a really piddly thing to argue about when there is bigger shit going on.

if you don't believe in god don't say that part, you shouldn't be forced to say the pledge anyway.

[squall14716]

Since when have we had seperation of church and state?

Sure, religion in the state is bullshit, but that doesn't mean there is seperation of church and state. There never has been.

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment



The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect "a wall of separation between church and State."



It is, in my opinion, that church and state are seperate, and should remain seperate.

[squall14716]

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment
Point out seperation of church and state in the actual text of the amendment and you get a cookie.

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta

It is, in my opinion, that church and state are seperate, and should remain seperate.

I never said that wasn't my opinion either, but that doesn't exactly matter.

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

I never said that the seperation of church and state are mentioned in the constitution, or any other government paper. Asking me to do something that can't be done doesn't help you. I pointed out the first ammendment, because it covers enough ground for church and state TO be seperate. It was even ruled that prayer in school was unconstitutional.

[Psythik]

..But honestly, who cares?

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

Well, obviouslly not you. But enough aparently do.

[Mattress]

prayer in school is not unconstitutional

Bill_of_rights
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

prohibiting people from praying in school is against the constitution.

forcing people to pray in school is also against the constitution.

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

"The reading of the Lord's Prayer or of the Bible in the classroom of a public schools by the teacher was ruled unconstitutional in 1963."

Engel v. Vitalep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engel_v._Vitale), 370 U.S. 421 (1962) was a landmark United States Supreme Court case that determined school prayer, even when relatively non-denominational and voluntary, is unconstitutional.


Wham, bam, thank'ya ma'am.

[Jay]

eh I think you are missing the point, I can pray if I like in a state funded school, the school cannot stop me from observing a religion just as the school cannot preach to me or force me to believe in any particular religion. The school cannot deny any particular religion from access to the school. The word God does not provide for or advocate any particular religion. If you'd like you could say that God was anyone or no one. You are stretching the meaning and context a bit.

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

Please explain what I streached the meaning and context of...

[Jay]

it seems that God becomes an extension of the christian religion, in reality God is just really the personification of a higher power. At any rate nit picking about a word just makes you look petty.

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

I never once mentioned Christianity in this post: http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1509859#post1509859 (which is on this page).

Also, I'm not nit-picking on a word. I'm arguing that the religion part (which just so happens to be the "in god" part) shouldn't be in the shcool system, or in the government. And regardless of it being a "petty" thing, it's has to do with the principle of it. Church + state = no. "in god" = religin = belongs in a church. School = state. Therefore, "in god" + school = no.

[Jay]

there are a lot of things that are done based on a principle which should be handled differently. I don't think arguing against a word proves any point.

[edit, removed, misunderstanding]

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

While that may be true, some things that are on a larger scale, things do need to be done. Not everyone in the US is of the same religion; therefore, none of them should be subjected to the practices of another religion. If someone I go to school with is a Christian, or a Muslim, or any other religion, that's fine and dandy. Good for them. But I don't need, nor want, to hear it. And given that schools are (for the most part) public places, the "if you don't want to hear it, don't listen" thing doesn't work. Just doesn't work that way.

While yes, they have the right to practice their religion, and I'm all for that, but it should be done in a church or in their homes, not in a public school, where not all of the people are of that religion. That's the point I'm trying to get across. Not really trying to argue your points, just trying to build upon and expand them.

[Jay]

I can completely agree, the endorsement for any religion by the government in any federal, state or local government funded program is inappropriate.

I just don't see 'under God' as being the endorsement of a religion. I see it as recognition that there are greater things then ourselves whether that be your religion, the universe, earth or your dog. I also believe that if the state wants to recieve money for lending the building out to religious groups during hours which school is not in session, then that should be ok as long as the offer is on the table for any and all religions or non-religions groups at the same times as well for the same amount.

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

Perhaps, but note that while I use "god", i.e.: a being of more than human attributes and powers, the Pledge of Allegiance uses “God” (note the capitalization). Ask most Americans who/what “God” is, they’ll reply (more than likely) that he is the creator of all and or lord and savior. That is the religion aspect of it, and is how it is seen by most Americans.

While there may or may not be a “god” in our universe, I wouldn’t see them AS a god, only an “extra terrestrial” that just happens to be more advance than we are (perhaps in both mind and form, and probably more technologically, too). As big as the universe is, I do believe we are not alone. Our universe is almost unfathomably gigantic. Our planet being the only one with any intelligent life on it is an awful waste of space. But, extra terrestrial life is another discussion…

[PrintScrn]

Originally posted by Mattress
The constitution also references God, we should probably throw that POS out too.

honestly, who really gives a shit about this? and why? The constitution doesn't say a word about God. Thomas Jefferson wrote the thing and he was an aethiest.

[Jay]

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
Perhaps, but note that while I use "god", i.e.: a being of more than human attributes and powers, the Pledge of Allegiance uses “God” (note the capitalization). Ask most Americans who/what “God” is, they’ll reply (more than likely) that he is the creator of all and or lord and savior. That is the religion aspect of it, and is how it is seen by most Americans.

While there may or may not be a “god” in our universe, I wouldn’t see them AS a god, only an “extra terrestrial” that just happens to be more advance than we are (perhaps in both mind and form, and probably more technologically, too). As big as the universe is, I do believe we are not alone. Our universe is almost unfathomably gigantic. Our planet being the only one with any intelligent life on it is an awful waste of space. But, extra terrestrial life is another discussion… capitalization of God is that it refers to the name of something. And saying that most americans think of God as the christian God is due in part to their previous teachings or understandings and background, if you had never been exposed to christianity you would not make such a connection. Any other religion could easily reference their own God as the being we are under. I am not going to go into a debate about the rest of your post, as that is based on your beliefs and in my opinion has nothing to do with this debate.

[Mattress]

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
While yes, they have the right to practice their religion, and I'm all for that, but it should be done in a church or in their homes, not in a public school, where not all of the people are of that religion. That's the point I'm trying to get across. Not really trying to argue your points, just trying to build upon and expand them.
Why shouldn't people be allowed to practice their religion in a public place, that is also unconstitutional, as it is 'prohibiting the free exercise thereof;' That's what freedom of religion is about. Being free to practice your religion. If you don't want to be exposed to it, stay in your home. I don't necessarily want to be exposed to a bunch of atheists yelling that there is no god, or devil worshippers telling me about how great satan is but I'm not going to force them to only be allowed to do that in their homes.

Making it illegal to practice or talk about religion or God in public places essentially makes the government pro-athiest, which would be endorsing a religious view.

A public school teacher reading a prayer to students or espousing religious views while on the job could be considered as the government endorsing a religious view, and is therefore unconstitutional, however when that teacher is not on the clock, they can do or say whatever they want. Additionally, any student should be allowed to practice their religion in a school, so long as it is not disruptive to other student's learning (eg, sacrificing a bull to Aries in the middle of class would probably be disruptive, but quietly praying to God or Allah or Shiva, would be fine).