Whats so great about FireFox?

[jerimiah40]

I've heard lots of talk about a great new browser, called Mozilla FireFox. What is it, whats so great about it, how is it different from MS IE, where do I get it, How much does it cost, Any other questions along these lines that anyone can think of, blah blah blah, etc etc etc

Please, any info would be greatly appreciated

[cyu]

theres a great thing called google.
I'll save you the trouble: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

[roster19]

Getfirefox.com/
I would recommend this to anyone, even newbs! What seperates it from your default IE- is the fact that you can tab(middle mouse button)links instead of openning them in a new window. Why's that so good? Because you use a lot of memory using just one browser open, when you open multiple browsers you increase the crash rate. Someelse that's great is that there are zero popups and spyware when browsing.
That's honestly enough for any user to switch now that firefox is at a stable 1.0.

[deeder7001]

mozilla is also pretty good. i use firefox though.

[GarbagePoe]

Built-in pop-up blocker

[MidnightViper88]

If you like spyware, by all means, stick with IE... :D

[Cognition]

Better security too

[fwgx]

Originally posted by MidnightViper88
If you like spyware, by all means, stick with IE... :D This is what (http://www.benedelman.org/news/111804-1.html) can happen if you use IE. See the video and be amazed (http://www.benedelman.org/spyware/security-111804.wmv)

[psycho_maniac]

Originally posted by Cognition
Better security too

i do belive this but then do not. i was on my computer and a yellow bar on the top of my firefox said it prevented this web site from installing software onto my computer. the next thing i know im getting a alert from spybot telling me that software was installed. only happend the one time and i had 1.0, but its the best. its even hard for me to go to a friends house and use his computer because he does not have firefox. i love the tabs thing.
www.getfirefox.com

[mysterious_w]

All the above, plus I like the download manager.

[psycho_maniac]

oh yeah and you can get plugins that people make for firefox. i like the one that blocks ads inside the web pages, also you can get skins for firefox.

[PulseDriver]

I don't know. It's very clean in it's design, but it's too slow for me to use it.

[Wolfgang]

yes, it takes much longer to load up too. but I still use it, mainly cos of the tabbed browsing.

[ctn|chrisw]

it takes longer to load then IE because IE is built into explorer which is always running.

[PulseDriver]

For spyware, I use firewall and anti-virus. My firewall can also block adds and pop-ups, but I use mostly pages without pop-ups (they do occur, by all means) but I can deal with it. I can hardly belive Firefox can lead to not needing a firewall, so the security of my browser have very little impact of my use.

[gaekwad2]

Originally posted by psycho_maniac
i do belive this but then do not. i was on my computer and a yellow bar on the top of my firefox said it prevented this web site from installing software onto my computer. the next thing i know im getting a alert from spybot telling me that software was installed. only happend the one time and i had 1.0, but its the best. its even hard for me to go to a friends house and use his computer because he does not have firefox. i love the tabs thing.
www.getfirefox.com
What java version do you have?

There's a known vulnerability (http://software.silicon.com/security/0,39024655,39126099,00.htm) in versions before 1.5 that could be used for drive by installs.

[Wolfgang]

something that pisses me off in Firefox is a message I get sometimes, "Alert - c is not a protocol." or something to that effect.

[PulseDriver]

I run Java 2, my enviroment version is 1.4.2. But my anti-virus scans such files before it is executed.

[zootm]

Originally posted by Wolfgang
something that pisses me off in Firefox is a message I get sometimes, "Alert - c is not a protocol." or something to that effect.
That's from people who write crappy pages. If you don't understand the internet, you can make links to files on your hard drive (obviously no-one else has these files). A full URL should look like this:

http://whatever.com/hello.jpg
ftp://foo.com/bar.jpg
file://C:\files\this.jpg

Now, the letters before the ":" are the protocol - tells the computer how to find the file it's looking for. Now, if someone doens't know what they're doing, they might link to a file on their hard drive like this:

<img src="C:\files\foobar.jpg" />

IE will read that and either look for the file on your computer and realise it doesn't exist (which isn't secure - local files should not be accessible from remote ones) or just deny access to a local file (which is what I think it does, now at least). Because Firefox is more standards-compliant, it doesn't "guess" where the file is (many of IE's security flaws are a result of it "guessing" a filetype when it's wrong - including that one where you can get a JPG file to open your CD-ROM drive) and tries to parse the URL normally. Since it sees the ":", it looks for a protocol named "C". This causes the error.

In other words, if you see that message, tell the maker of the webpage to get a clue :)

[jerimiah40]

OK, just one more question:

Does it use any more memory that IE? I'm using a rather slow computer, like 32 megs ram, so will it still run okay?

[gaekwad2]

Maybe you should try K-Meleon (http://www.hch.uwnet.nl/k-meleon/) instead.

[beanboy89]

Originally posted by jerimiah40
OK, just one more question:

Does it use any more memory that IE? I'm using a rather slow computer, like 32 megs ram, so will it still run okay?
What is the processor, and operating system you are on? You could try Firefox out to see how it runs compared to IE. You could also try the Gecko based browser, K-Meleon (http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/). K-Meleon uses OS native elements and controls for its interface making it somwehat faster(on older systems) than Firefox which uses XUL for its interface.

Gaekwad2 beat me to it.

[Schmeet]

The only thing i don't like about Firefox is the fact that you can't access FTP accounts. Or can you? If you can; i'd be so greatful if somone told me how.

[MidnightViper88]

Originally posted by Schmeet
The only thing i don't like about Firefox is the fact that you can't access FTP accounts. Or can you? If you can; i'd be so greatful if somone told me how.

http://fireftp.mozdev.org/

I think...If that's it and my mind is running clearly after all...

[jerimiah40]

Originally posted by beanboy89
What is the processor, and operating system you are on?


Pentium 133 running Win98

[beanboy89]

Originally posted by jerimiah40
Pentium 133 running Win98
That dosen't meet the System Requirements (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/system-requirements.html) for the processor, but installing Firefox is worth a try. If it runs poor, try K-Meleon as recomended above.

[CraigF]

probably doesnt meet the system requirements for win98, let alone firefox.

[PulseDriver]

Internet Explorer have no CPU recomendation, nor requirment, and that's prolly because IE running under 98 will require less than running under XP or 2000.

When running Win98, they prolly assumes you meet the requirments of the OS and that is enough to run IE as well.

IE6 SP1 Requirments:

You need 16 mb of ram and 256 colors. That's what I could see in the requirments.

[deeder7001]

for IE the system requirements are something like: a 486 with 8mb of RAM and 256 colors. i forget where i read that.

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by zootm
That's from people who write crappy pages...
In other words, if you see that message, tell the maker of the webpage to get a clue :)

I feel a bit pwned. I do actually know what protocols are and I suppose I should have been able to work that out for myself. Thanks anyway, zootm.

[jerimiah40]

Well, my CPU is a piece of crap, but the video card and sound card are good enough to make up for it.

Sound card - AWE 32 w/ Line In, Line out, Speaker out, and Mic In

Video card - Who knows, but its good. 24 bit colour all the way from 640x480 to 1280xsomething

[deeder7001]

i also have a 133mhz w/32mb of RAM. i haven't tried putting firefox on it yet because it's not set up at the moment. i don't think firefox would run that well on it. i couldn't get IE and winamp to run at the same time without problems.

[gaekwad2]

K-Meleon should run:
What are the system requirements?
Windows 95, 98, 98SE, Windows ME, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000, or Windows XP and Windows 2003 Server
32 MB RAM minimum
5 MB of free hard disk space for download. 11.0 MB of free hard disk space for installation.
While a Pentium level processor is recommended, K-Meleon can run on a 486 system that meets the minimum RAM requirements.

[MagnumOne]

I've tried about every build of Firefox that has come out...

It's not my preference...I've been using Netcaptor for about 4 years now...It's never let me down, has all the toys,security features and came out with Tabbed Browsing years ago...

I've never found it's equal for what I prefer...

Large: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/Stetson11/NCL.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/Stetson11/NCS.jpg

As well as all the features needed...Netcaptor has an extremely fast and efficient clean up..One click...*All Gone*..And has different depths as to the clean up that is initiated...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/Stetson11/CU.jpg

Read up about it here..... :)

http://www.netcaptor.com/

[jerimiah40]

Well, I went on a different computer (486, win95, 64 megs ram) and installed firefox. Everything appeared to work well, even installed a couple of themes. Then, I went onto an online game, and it said i needed to install a java plugin for it to work. So i thought, okay, that makes sense. So, I installed it and it said I had to restart the browser for it to take effect. So, i exited, reopened, went back to the game, and lo and behold: it still said that it needed that same plugin! So, i tried it a couple more times, then gave up and uninstalled it. So now, back to IE until i find something better...

PS - Netcaptor looks cool, might try it l83r

[deeder7001]

i never do any games in firefox, yahoo pool for example. i use IE for that because of the java issues in firefox.

[PulseDriver]

Netscape have the same security as Mozilla doens't it? Or is it just the the way mozilla parse HTML/JavaScript/CSS?

BUT... Netscape is a pain cause of it's speed. Damn, I don't know any browser which is slower.

EDIT: I misread... forget about it, Netcaptor is a browser I haven't heard of. Might check it out.

[beanboy89]

Originally posted by PulseDriver
Netscape have the same security as Mozilla doens't it? Or is it just the the way mozilla parse HTML/JavaScript/CSS?

BUT... Netscape is a pain cause of it's speed. Damn, I don't know any browser which is slower. I find that (at least for me) Netscape 7.2 is as fast as Firefox or Mozilla because Netscape uses the same Gecko engine as Mozilla.

[PulseDriver]

Yes, I know they use the same engine, but is all the security issues based only on this engine is my question

[MagnumOne]

Originally posted by PulseDriver
Netscape have the same security as Mozilla doens't it? Or is it just the the way mozilla parse HTML/JavaScript/CSS?

BUT... Netscape is a pain cause of it's speed. Damn, I don't know any browser which is slower.

EDIT: I misread... forget about it, Netcaptor is a browser I haven't heard of. Might check it out.

Like I say..I bought it years ago..Paid for it once and own it for life..

I've spoken with Adam Stiles many times..The browsers designer...Super Guy!

It's super fast.And the cleanup and security system is equalled or excedes anything I've ever tried out..Great tabbed application and all aspects of the browsers options are easily converted to the individuals choices..

Check it out if ya get the chance..I've tried every browser out there looking for something that might match my preferences..Netcaptor's been my choice for 5/6 years. ;)

[ctn|chrisw]

Originally posted by jerimiah40
Well, I went on a different computer (486, win95, 64 megs ram) and installed firefox. Everything appeared to work well, even installed a couple of themes. Then, I went onto an online game, and it said i needed to install a java plugin for it to work. So i thought, okay, that makes sense. So, I installed it and it said I had to restart the browser for it to take effect. So, i exited, reopened, went back to the game, and lo and behold: it still said that it needed that same plugin! So, i tried it a couple more times, then gave up and uninstalled it. So now, back to IE until i find something better...

PS - Netcaptor looks cool, might try it l83r

install java via java.com

[gaekwad2]

This page (http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp), to be precise.
Get the jre offline installer (the online one didn't work for me).

[PrintScrn]

maxthon (http://www.maxthon.com) > *

tabs, built in pop-up blocker, built in content blocker, downlaod manager. ie plug-in compatable. compatable with more sites than any other broswer, extremely stable, plus, you get to keep your favourites.

not only that, but there it has great plug-ins such as save flash, enable right click, and show all pics.

/edit
I forgot. It's also skinable.

[Starbucks]

SPYWARE

If you use Internet Explorer and want to prevent spyware being installed on your computer you can do so by setting the default security level to the highest level, but it will disable your cookies, not allowing you to access things like e-mail. It gets annoying for me when I used IE because I would have to set security to high and change it the next minute if I want to access certain trusted sites.

Firefox has the same vulnerabilities, but this is where Firefox's features comes in handy. I can tell Firefox which sites are allowed to use cookies. A very nice feature that serves me well. Now I can access trusted sites without changing security settings all the time.

POP-UP BLOCKER

IE also likes a pop-up blocker, but you would need to install SP2 to get that feature. That or install the google toolbar.

DOWNLOAD MANAGER

I could care less for the Firefox download manager because my internet speed is blazing fast.

TAB BROWSING

This feature made my life a lot easier. I go through 20 to 30 pages of the net at the same time, and it's so much easier to navigate than with IE.

SKINS

Dont care for this feature, but it's a plus for anyone why wants the change the style of their programs.

Firefox jsut makes a lot of sense! Thank you firefox!

[PrintScrn]

Originally posted by Starbucks
SPYWARE

If you use Internet Explorer and want to prevent spyware being installed on your computer you can do so by setting the default security level to the highest level, but it will disable your cookies, not allowing you to access things like e-mail. It gets annoying for me when I used IE because I would have to set security to high and change it the next minute if I want to access certain trusted sites.

Firefox has the same vulnerabilities, but this is where Firefox's features comes in handy. I can tell Firefox which sites are allowed to use cookies. A very nice feature that serves me well. Now I can access trusted sites without changing security settings all the time.

POP-UP BLOCKER

IE also likes a pop-up blocker, but you would need to install SP2 to get that feature. That or install the google toolbar.

DOWNLOAD MANAGER

I could care less for the Firefox download manager because my internet speed is blazing fast.

TAB BROWSING

This feature made my life a lot easier. I go through 20 to 30 pages of the net at the same time, and it's so much easier to navigate than with IE.

SKINS

Dont care for this feature, but it's a plus for anyone why wants the change the style of their programs.

Firefox jsut makes a lot of sense! Thank you firefox!

maxthon does all of that with sp1 or sp2. (i'm not 100% sure about the cookie thing though. Medium security works fine for me, with a decent firewall and running adaware once a week).

[shakey_snake]

I'm glad you like Maxthon, and I don't feel like getting into a debate about this, but now that there is Firefox, there is no reason for people to use IE add-ons like Maxthon. You're still rendering PNG's and CSS wrong (and supporting IE only code) using the IE engine, and you still have all those wonderful IE security holes that take about 6 mo's for MS to fix. Maxthon made a great deal of sense before a practical Gecko-based alternative, but now will soon fade away with Opera, into the cult market.

[CraigF]

what snake said.

[zootm]

Originally posted by Wolfgang
I feel a bit pwned. I do actually know what protocols are and I suppose I should have been able to work that out for myself. Thanks anyway, zootm.
Sorry dude, I didn't write a long entry to make you feel bad, I wrote it because I didn't know how much you knew about the subject! Was trying to be helpful...

[Wolfgang]

No, no, that's fine! I didn't mean to sound sulky either. Even though it did.

[Starbucks]

Medium security works fine for me, with a decent firewall and running adaware once a week).Medium security will get the most annoying types of spyware installed on your computer. I had medium security level on IE when this nasty spyware got installed on my computer via activeX. What frustrated me was the fact that Ad-Aware couldn't remove it. Now I have Firefox and I'm a happy camper.

[Starbucks]

I do have a few issues with firefox. There are a few bugs that need to be worked out.

Sometimes when I save a picture, the DL manager shows up but doesn't automatically dissapear even when I tell it to. This only happens some times, but it is annoying.

Sometimes pictures won't render but will render on IE. Another annoying glitch.

[PrintScrn]

Originally posted by shakey_snake
I'm glad you like Maxthon, and I don't feel like getting into a debate about this, but now that there is Firefox, there is no reason for people to use IE add-ons like Maxthon. You're still rendering PNG's and CSS wrong (and supporting IE only code) using the IE engine, and you still have all those wonderful IE security holes that take about 6 mo's for MS to fix. Maxthon made a great deal of sense before a practical Gecko-based alternative, but now will soon fade away with Opera, into the cult market.

I'm jsut saying, everyone bases IE and says how much better firefox and other browsers are, and I am yet to find one thing that firefox can do that IE doesn't (other than the png thing which I get over, and CSS which I havvn't found any sites that are unusable because of it). There are tons of features that the "add-ons" have which firefox doesn't, but nobody goes around saying firefox sucks. I'm sure it's a great brower, I just don't find the need to use it.

I've never had any issue with a security hole in IE, I have a very very very small problem with ads, and that is aken care of with adaware and my firewall.

[Shalken Rebirth]

FireFox is also great for those of us that do not have the time or money to spend updating a system so that the problems with IE disappear. I'm stuck on a 56k modem with a local provider that has numerous problems. FireFox was the perfect choice because I don't have to sit here and pay attention to every little thing that comes through - my system couldn't handle running a firewall all the time - nor do I have the funds to go out and get anything good. Anti-Virus software? I have it - but my update subscription with Norton has expired. I don't even remember the code given to me for renewal (McAffe users - please don't try and tell me how much better it is, I've trusted Norton for a long time, and find it far better. That - and I have issues with anything AOL endorses.... with the exception of WinAmp.)

I still have an external Download acceleration program to use - the manager in Firefox is a POS.

[zootm]

Originally posted by Starbucks
Sometimes pictures won't render but will render on IE. Another annoying glitch.
I think IE's renderer is more forgiving to errors than Firefox's. Unfortunately, most methods of "forgiving" broken images also open the system to security vulnerabilities, so it's a contentious subject. Also, Firefox won't render an image when it is transmitted as the wrong type of file (which is a feature, not a bug).

edit: Shalken, using Firefox does not mean you can do without a firewall. Although you can tend to be ok on dialup, the vulnerabilities in IE are not the same as the ones that most firewalls catch, and vice versa.

[cyu]

Originally posted by Starbucks
I do have a few issues with firefox. There are a few bugs that need to be worked out.

Sometimes when I save a picture, the DL manager shows up but doesn't automatically dissapear even when I tell it to. This only happens some times, but it is annoying.

Sometimes pictures won't render but will render on IE. Another annoying glitch.
Yeah the DL manager problem is common, but the devs decide to not put it as a blocker for 1.0. Not sure about the image problem. Maybe adblock mistakenly blocked some useful material too?

[Mattress]

I couldn't get quicktime to install for firefox :(

[zootm]

Quicktime Alternative installed and worked fine for me, Mattress - try that :)

[ctn|chrisw]

Originally posted by Shalken Rebirth
FireFox is also great for those of us that do not have the time or money to spend updating a system so that the problems with IE disappear. I'm stuck on a 56k modem with a local provider that has numerous problems. FireFox was the perfect choice because I don't have to sit here and pay attention to every little thing that comes through - my system couldn't handle running a firewall all the time - nor do I have the funds to go out and get anything good. Anti-Virus software? I have it - but my update subscription with Norton has expired. I don't even remember the code given to me for renewal (McAffe users - please don't try and tell me how much better it is, I've trusted Norton for a long time, and find it far better. That - and I have issues with anything AOL endorses.... with the exception of WinAmp.)

I still have an external Download acceleration program to use - the manager in Firefox is a POS. Both norton and mcafee are shit.

[Joel]

I like Firefox because I like the tab browsing, the extensions, the themes, cookie manager, download manager... software alert... lobo likes it.

[Mattress]

Originally posted by zootm
Quicktime Alternative installed and worked fine for me, Mattress - try that :) that's the one where you download the installer and run it from your computer right? I tried that, didn't work.

[zootm]

It's the one that uses a third-party (or cracked, or something) Quicktime codec. Plugin worked for me. Strange the official one is screwed for you :S

[dlichterman]

Originally posted by PrintScrn
you get to keep your favourites.
uh, firefox imports all your IE favs

now about the whole css/png thing, it seems your have never actually had to deal with IE fucking up and trying to make the page render. i have had the experience trying to make IE render correct and its a bitch.

so basically STFU printscrn about CSS/PNG stuff

[Shalken Rebirth]

Zoot: Never said I could go without a firewall - I said my system cannot handle it. Big difference.

Ctn: Find me a better alternative and pay for the registration - then maybe I'll listen to someone that apparently doesn't read a post and use their mind before replying.

[k_rock923]

AVG

[Shalken Rebirth]

If that's to me k_rock .... might want to elaborate. If anyone else has anything to add regarding Anti-Virus software kindly PM me. Insults and other foul things will be deleted and a Mod will be notified.

[cyu]

Shalken, if you would just simply go to a beautfiul thing called www.google.com and type AVG you find your answer.

[k_rock923]

AVG Free Edition (http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/1/) Completely free antivirus software, free updates, tons of fewer system resources than norton or mcafee. Only mods can delete posts.

[Shalken Rebirth]

Let me see - I am not the type of person to sit here and run a search for something that for all intents and purposes may not even be worth the time to look for it. add to that the fact that if someone is giving a suggestion it is generally a good idea to give more than a name. Why do work that is unneeded if the person simply gives the information on what they are reccomending.

In other wird - I do not go looking for information that should have been provided - not like I'm asing for a full product description, just a general idea. I do not go looking for something unles I like what I hear or read first.

By the by - that should have gone to PM.

Edit: Thanks K_rock. as for deletion of posts - I was talking about PMs you know, Private Messages?

[toejam07]

Avast (http://www.avast.com/) is free and good, too.

[Germ]

Shalken did you used to be a hall monitor in school?

[Shalken Rebirth]

No Germ - I used to be the guy that did not take flak from people and expected others to use common sense.

[siebe83]

Who asks for something and adds this to his question:
"Insults and other foul things will be deleted and a Mod will be notified."
:weird:

If you say that, you are practically asking for comments...

[edit]
You asked for something and then later you say "I do not go looking for information that should have been provided"
Should have been?! You should be glad someone tries to help you!

[Shalken Rebirth]

Someone that wants to be up front and does not hoild back most things. Next query?

[siebe83]

Won't be mine...
Good luck.

[shakey_snake]

Originally posted by Shalken Rebirth
If that's to me k_rock .... might want to elaborate. If anyone else has anything to add regarding Anti-Virus software kindly PM me. Insults and other foul things will be deleted and a Mod will be notified.

Shalken plays ball like a girl!

I can see shalken's maxi pad!

Shalken has no friends!

Shalken has stinky armpits!

[Starbucks]

No Germ - I used to be the guy that did not take flak from people and expected others to use common sense.Someone's got sand in the vagina.

[Shalken Rebirth]

Someone has common sense enough to be a bit more mature. Amusing really - I thought there wee mature people here, I suppose not. k_rock and anyone else that made the attempt to help, thank you.

[shakey_snake]

There's a difference between being mature and being a tight ass.

[Shalken Rebirth]

apparently someone doesn't know the difference then.

By the by - in response to siebe83: since you'd edited your post after I had answered your question let me put something in crystal clear focus ... Helping someone with a software problem generaly means that some information is given on whatever piece of software is being reccomended. This is called common sense. It is something I expect from people. Do not show common sense - you get called on it, simple as that.

This is also the difference between being mature and anything else you'd like to say that could show a lack of maturity.

Now if everyone is done with the apparent lack of common sense, I think I'll move on to a different topic. If I have anything more to add - I'll be back, if anyone has anything to say about this post, please feel free to send me a Private Message - I do not bite.

[zootm]

Shalken, on the "Firewall" angle, if you're using XP, there's one built-in. It's worth turning on, even if the older versions ain't much cop.

And where the hell did all this ugliness spring from? I need to read back again...

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by zootm
And where the hell did all this ugliness spring from? I need to read back again...

I wouldn't bother.

[xzxzzx]

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST PEOPLE, WILL YOU JUST FUCKING RELAX A TINY FUCKING BIT?!

[ctn|chrisw]

Originally posted by Shalken Rebirth
Zoot: Never said I could go without a firewall - I said my system cannot handle it. Big difference.

Ctn: Find me a better alternative and pay for the registration - then maybe I'll listen to someone that apparently doesn't read a post and use their mind before replying. I do use my fucking brain, but obviously you dont. Avast home edition is good and has no registration costs. There are other good ones out there too. Norton and mcafee are just in it for the money now. Thanks for the flame though, asshole.

[shakey_snake]

Originally posted by xzxzzx
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST PEOPLE, WILL YOU JUST FUCKING RELAX A TINY FUCKING BIT?!

It's kinda interesting how one wanker provokes others, isn't it ;).

[aFfLiCtEd]

Appears to me that someone needs to go out and get laid!

[Shalken Rebirth]

ctn: let us look at your response which provoked my own And I quote, "Both norton and mcafee are shit." Were those not your exact words? Was it not stated in the post you'd responded to in such a manner that responses like that were not wanted? Simply put - you asked for the response you got. If you have a problem with people responding in kind then do not respond to a post in such a manner.

Hence the part about thinking before you post. Now if you had posted something similar to what k_rock and a few others had posted - well then perhaps you'd not have been 'flamed'. By the by - if I 'flamed' you, it is because you knowingly baited me - and guess what? I do not pass up the oportunity to give someone the response they deserve.

And as you can see I have no problem making such things Public either.

Zoot: As far as Windows XP goes - I've been through this before with people on this board and off of it. I have no assurances that all of the hardware I currently have will work properly under XP - not to mention the System Resources issues I still have as well as the lack of funds to do any major upgrades. Hell, I can't even afford a brand new computer right now.

[shakey_snake]

Shalken, please go somewhere else to get help.

Your dominatrix retardisms appal me to the point of vomithood.


I know, "why don't you just not read this thread shakey, or ignore me?"

Well, to be honest, I like letting you know how much of a wanker you really are.

[aFfLiCtEd]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/jptd202/postAbove.gif

[grumpyBB]

Originally posted by PrintScrn
maxthon (http://www.maxthon.com) > *

tabs, built in pop-up blocker, built in content blocker, downlaod manager. ie plug-in compatable. compatable with more sites than any other broswer, extremely stable, plus, you get to keep your favourites.

not only that, but there it has great plug-ins such as save flash, enable right click, and show all pics.

/edit
I forgot. It's also skinable. I like Maxthon much better than FireFox too. The only reason I keep FireFox installed is because of a plugin called Unlinker. It was made by a guy on a messageboard I post at all the time and it's very handy for displaying linked pictures in one page. As soo as somebody comes out with something similar for Maxthon I'll uninstall FireFox. The other thing I don't like about FireFox is that is has memory leaks and the longer it runs the more memory it hogs. :down:

[Shalken Rebirth]

Shake: How about I continue to respond in kind? Please, continue to give me a reason to kep coming back and 'be a wanker'. Do not want to read these types of responses? Do not provoke them.

Have a personal problem with me? Do not want these posts clogging up a thread? Send a Private/Personal Message instead.

But then I keep forgetting that this takes common sense. Nevermind then - I will not make any more suggestions that are based on such a sensible thing to do.

But wait - 'Why are you still replying here if it is common sense?' Ah the simplest of questions to answer! Want to make it public? I have no prblem with it! But perhaps you do?

As for my being a 'dominatrix' - let me see, doinating? Me? No. I just enjoy grabbing someone by the head and rolling their nose in a good heavy doese of Common Sense.

Is the message getting through? Do I have to spell it out?

I hope not.

[grumpyBB]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shalken Rebirth
blah blah blah [QUOTE]
STFU! Is the message getting through?

[Shalken Rebirth]

Let me see - the real message behind that post is that you cannot be bothered to actually read and process what is being said.

Thank you - you gave me a reason to make another comment.

That comment being thus: Want me to shut up? Don't respond to these biting posts. Simple, effective, and again comon sense.

Thank you for your time.

Post Script: Moderators - kindly bear in mind that I am responding in kind. I am not trying to be disruptive - simply making a point.

[Wolfgang]

However, you are being extremely irritating.

[gaekwad2]

http://img130.exs.cx/img130/4305/sleeping1.gif

Is this still going on?

[zootm]

Originally posted by Shalken Rebirth
Zoot: As far as Windows XP goes - I've been through this before with people on this board and off of it. I have no assurances that all of the hardware I currently have will work properly under XP - not to mention the System Resources issues I still have as well as the lack of funds to do any major upgrades. Hell, I can't even afford a brand new computer right now.
I didn't say "use XP", I said "If you're using XP...". Just suggesting things, I don't know what kind of system you're using.

[419G]

Wow. This forum is a ball of hate.

No matter. I might as well take this time to set down some of the reasons FireFox rules my localhost.

For you FireFox users. Do this.

Go to the URL area.

Type in:

about:config

Hit enter.

A. value of network.http.pipelining to "true".
B. value of network.http.pipelining.maxrequests to "100".
C. value of network.http.proxy.pipelining to "true"
D. value of nglayout.initialpaint.delay to "0"

This will give you an instant speed boost over many other clients including Opera. Internet Explorer has been redered "Vulerable" by the United States Department of Defence. FireFox, while having just released it's first security vulnerability patch, is still much more secure than IEx.

Now, some random poster will come in here, enraged, "419G! What do you speak of?! IE must be superior for it's advanced code handling! FireFox doesn't display my <STYLE> scrollbar colors!" Well, enraged poster, FireFox strikes me as a "No bullshit" client. Color scrollbars? That's fine. I'm sure colors entertain people. May I direct you to www.Apple.com . Many colors, there.

But, honestly. Flexability is in the corner of FireFox. It's very careful, and very safe. It's the latex between me and being a father, as I'd call it. No hijackware, no malware, none of that crap that spreads from Internet Explorer's flaws.

I've spoken my peace, for now.

-419G

[CraigF]

if i could be bothered to read through all the ranting and decide who was at fault, then i'd probably issue some warning or something.

If this thread wasn't an entirely valid subject I would close it.

So instead, I'll issue a global cut.
Failure to respect this means I have a point of reference to take future actions against.

<----- BITCHING ENDS HERE ----->

[xzxzzx]

Originally posted by 419G
A. value of network.http.pipelining to "true".
B. value of network.http.pipelining.maxrequests to "100".
C. value of network.http.proxy.pipelining to "true"
D. value of nglayout.initialpaint.delay to "0"

This will give you an instant speed boost over many other clients including Opera.
Bullshit. http://forums.winamp.com, for instance, loads faster in Opera than Firefox, even with those changes. The difference is relatively minimal, but don't try to tell me that Firefox renders pages faster than Opera - it's just blatantly false.

Originally posted by 419G
I've spoken my peace, for now.
Piece. You've spoken your piece.

[shakey_snake]

yeah, the difference between Gecko and the Opera engine is that Opera is lighter and faster at html, gecko renders css and javascript faster.
However, this comes at a price as Opera usually has more problems rendering bad code, while Gecko is more forgiving.
It is also because Opera is built natively for each individual OS, while gecko uses the same code for all OS's and is compiled on a native 'interpreter' so to speak.

Different strokes for different folks.

[aFfLiCtEd]

Originally posted by 419G
For you FireFox users. Do this.

Go to the URL area.

Type in:

about:config

Hit enter.

A. value of network.http.pipelining to "true".
B. value of network.http.pipelining.maxrequests to "100".
C. value of network.http.proxy.pipelining to "true"
D. value of nglayout.initialpaint.delay to "0"
Interesting . . . I did it this way though . . . Firefox Tips & Tricks (http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips#oth_rendering)

[xzxzzx]

Originally posted by shakey_snake
yeah, the difference between Gecko and the Opera engine is that Opera is lighter and faster at html, gecko renders css and javascript faster.Bzzt.

http://www.24fun.com/write/benchjsresults.html

Notice that the top 10 scores are all Opera.

As for Firefox CSS rendering speed vs. Opera CSS rendering speed, I'll see if I can make up a complex enough page that requires any significant amount of time to render.

[shakey_snake]

Found here
(http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=60991&start=45&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)
I wrote a Javascript rendering test and was amazed that Opera was six times faster than my optimized FireFox. A little checking found that Opera cheats. It didn't actually finish everything when it indicated that it was done. I'll have to say that that's pretty clever though.

[ctn|chrisw]

Originally posted by xzxzzx
Piece. You've spoken your piece. http://img84.exs.cx/img84/9687/emot-laugh.gif

[xzxzzx]

shakey_snake: I read another of that guy's posts, sounds like a great optimization in Opera. Considering, however, that all of the tests on the page mentioned display things directly on-screen, that optimization/cheat doesn't apply to this test anyway.

Look, if Firefox were better, I would use it. I would rather use Firefox for a couple of reasons, but it's just not as good as Opera, partially because it's not as fast. I don't have a fucking bias, it's not like I've even paid for Opera.

[shakey_snake]

Easy does it, killer...
it's just a browser. ;)

[xzxzzx]

*sigh*... I just can't stand the mass misinformation. Everyone thinks Firefox is faster, blah blah blah, it's all just fucking advertising, and it's blatantly false.

[419G]

Originally posted by xzxzzx
Bullshit. http://forums.winamp.com, for instance, loads faster in Opera than Firefox, even with those changes. The difference is relatively minimal, but don't try to tell me that Firefox renders pages faster than Opera - it's just blatantly false.


Piece. You've spoken your piece.

Actually, I'll correct you. It's very subjective, considering who knows what your connection is, what programs you have, and what you've done to your machine.

Currently, I have somewhere around a 1938 kbps downstream, and baseline standard copy of XP Pro.

Now, how can I be for sure FireFox loads faster on a completely clean computer?

D. value of nglayout.initialpaint.delay to "0"

This option means the browser will not wait ANY time before it spits everything back onto the client's screen. Now, the instant you get that information, is the instant you get that information. BUT! As I said, this is the variable part. This depends on MANY things that have to do with your connection.

FireFox is already the largest rival to Internet Explorer. I highly doubt it would be if Opera was a better browser.

-419G

[shakey_snake]

I can hear the hype card comming

[419G]

Originally posted by shakey_snake
I can hear the hype card comming

You called it. ;)

*Adjusts his "I work for Mozilla" badge.*

-419G

[winusr]

If IE is so insecure then how the hell I'm using it ever since IE 4 (Currently using IE 7 Beta 2/Maxthon & Avant Browser) and never got any type of malware on my PC?!(And no,My security level is set to standard.)

[ScorLibran]

Because it's level of security is judged by more users than just you.

It's like saying...
"Among all cars the Toyota Corolla has great security because mine's never been stolen."

[CraigF]

Originally posted by ScorLibran
Because it's level of security is judged by more users than just you.

It's like saying...
"Among all cars the Toyota Corolla has great security because mine's never been stolen."

QFT.

[dlichterman]

Originally posted by ScorLibran
Because it's level of security is judged by more users than just you.

It's like saying...
"Among all cars the Toyota Corolla has great security because mine's never been stolen."

My Corolla has great security.....







cause I have an alarm and put a club on it

[xzxzzx]

Originally posted by 419G
Actually, I'll correct you. It's very subjective, considering who knows what your connection is, what programs you have, and what you've done to your machine. Haha. Oh man. Too funny. I never read this back when it was posted. You're gonna tell me that software speed is subjective?!

Originally posted by shakey_snake
yeah, the difference between Gecko and the Opera engine is that Opera is lighter and faster at html, gecko renders css and javascript faster.
http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

What was that about Gecko being faster (at anything), shakey? ;)

[shakey_snake]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anachronism

[ScorLibran]

Whoa, Opera 9 is out? And it cold starts 1/3 faster than previous versions. I'm behind the times.


edit:
Wait...I'm using 8.51 and just tried to upgrade. It told me I'm using the latest version. Is 9 for a different platform?

[xzxzzx]

Originally posted by shakey_snake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anachronism :rolleyes:

Let's see, so &mdash; 2004-11-30 (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1529781#post1529781)... That'd be about Opera 7.54 (http://web.archive.org/web/20041129085748/http://www.opera.com/), and Firefox, um, 0.10 (http://web.archive.org/web/20041009144332/www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/index.html) (according to the download's file name), and Mozilla 1.7.3 (http://web.archive.org/web/20041009144332/www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/index.html). Ok. So given that Opera 7.54 is faster than Mozilla 1.8 (http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html) (or, indeed, any version of Firefox or Mozilla listed on that site), exactly how do you consider that an anacronism?

Are you saying that Mozilla has gotten that much slower from version 1.7.3?

Originally posted by ScorLibran
Wait...I'm using 8.51 and just tried to upgrade. It told me I'm using the latest version. Is 9 for a different platform? Opera 9 is a beta (I'm using it, actually &mdash; it mostly works :D).

http://snapshot.opera.com

[ScorLibran]

Ah, so I was just looking in the wrong place. I don't have time to beta test it this time around, unfortunately, so I'll wait.

[shakey_snake]

Originally posted by xzxzzx


Let's see, so 2004-11-30 (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1529781#post1529781)... That'd be about Opera 7.54 (http://web.archive.org/web/20041129085748/http://www.opera.com/), and Firefox, um, 0.10 (http://web.archive.org/web/20041009144332/www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/index.html) (according to the download's file name), and Mozilla 1.7.3 (http://web.archive.org/web/20041009144332/www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/index.html). Ok. So given that Opera 7.54 is faster than Mozilla 1.8 (http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html) (or, indeed, any version of Firefox or Mozilla listed on that site), exactly how do you consider that an anacronism?

Are you saying that Mozilla has gotten that much slower from version 1.7.3?

Opera 9 is a beta (I'm using it, actually &mdash; it mostly works :D).

http://snapshot.opera.com
I was recieving my information from a cnet review, which I can't find right now, but is undoubtedly more reliable than your source.
I personally find bumping this thread stupid and childish, but I come to not expect anything else from you in most conversation.
Besides, I refuse to browser fight any, more with you until you respond to this (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1819874#post1819874) post.

It would be anachronistic to think any more of this conversation has to do with current browsers.

[Sandman2012]

Originally posted by xzxzzx
*sigh*... I just can't stand the mass misinformation. Everyone thinks Firefox is faster, blah blah blah, it's all just fucking advertising, and it's blatantly false.
That's just the way of the world, though. In my experience a majority of people in the world choose to believe many things based on personal bias rather than subjective information.

As for browser speed, it's not really an issue. According to most tests I've seen, including the one Opera links to on their site, the difference between most modern browsers for rendering pages is usually quite small, maybe a second or two at the most. Sometimes smaller. It's not a difference that your average end user will notice or care about. At that point it becomes about features and personal preference. Coke vs Pepsi. Not even, since a majority of people browsing the web haven't heard of either Firefox or Opera.

I treat rabid Firefox fans the same way I treat rabid Star Wars fans: I get off the internet and 90% go away.

[ScorLibran]

Originally posted by Sandman2012
That's just the way of the world, though. In my experience a majority of people in the world choose to believe many things based on personal bias rather than subjective information.
Very good point. "Consensus" doesn't work for anything except voting. Following the masses is often not the best thing to do. After all, 95% of the world's population believes in a higher power, right? And for each person it's mostly because the rest do.

Also, with as bogged down with garbage as most home users' Windows PCs are, are they really going to notice moderate differences in browser speed? Many I've known are just happy to see their PC working at all on any given day.

Only us übergeeks are concerned with such things as browser component performance. :p

[EfaustuS9]

for thoughs of you who still prefer IE but love many of the features in firefox and opera... behold microsofts latest mimicing masterpice IE 7 with pop up blocking, tabbed browsing, page zooming, RSS feeds, and integrated search.

Get IE 7 Beta 2 here (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/ie7betaredirect.mspx)


im still sticking with firefox though :P

[rockouthippie]

Originally posted by EfaustuS9
for thoughs of you who still prefer IE but love many of the features in firefox and opera... behold microsofts latest mimicing masterpice IE 7 with pop up blocking, tabbed browsing, page zooming, RSS feeds, and integrated search.

Get IE 7 Beta 2 here (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/ie7betaredirect.mspx)


im still sticking with firefox though :P

One of you guys go first. I'm afraid.

I wish no one would use IE browsers or windows media. They really suck.

IE is not only a security nightmare, it's also a real pain in the neck to write web pages for.

When in Rome, I guess ......

[gaekwad2]

I'm almost curious, but from reports it seems to crash the Winamp 5.20 beta (that's a lot more interesting anyway).

[xzxzzx]

Originally posted by shakey_snake
I was recieving my information from a cnet review, which I can't find right now, but is undoubtedly more reliable than your source. That's quite possible. I don't think this guy's tests are good, per se, only that they are the only tests which have any sort of detail and lack of personal opinion in them. I've never seen anything beyond "this feels faster" anywhere else.

Originally posted by shakey_snake
I personally find bumping this thread stupid and childish, but I come to not expect anything else from you in most conversation. First, I didn't bump this thread. Second, I'm a bit saddened that you still fall back on personal insults.

Originally posted by shakey_snake
Besides, I refuse to browser fight any, more with you until you respond to this (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1819874#post1819874) post. Here you are. (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1857818#post1857818)

[Mattress]

Originally posted by rockouthippie
IE is not only a security nightmare, it's also a real pain in the neck to write web pages for. if you write standards compliant HTML/XHTML you generally shouldn't have any problems with your page in IE* or any other halfway decent browser for that matter.

I haven't bothered looking at IE7 yet but I would assume it should be standards compliant.

[zootm]

IE7 is fairly standards-compliant, there's some features missing in the current version that they say will be in later builds. Some things will be left out because they don't consider them important though (in particular they've said they won't be implementing all the stuff in Acid2, which is largely useless in practical terms).

[xzxzzx]

Originally posted by Mattress
if you write standards compliant HTML/XHTML you generally shouldn't have any problems with your page in IE* or any other halfway decent browser for that matter. IE6 has horribly broken CSS / XHTML support.

[gaekwad2]

Originally posted by zootm
IE7 is fairly standards-compliant, there's some features missing in the current version that they say will be in later builds. Some things will be left out because they don't consider them important though (in particular they've said they won't be implementing all the stuff in Acid2, which is largely useless in practical terms).
They've got the problem of having to support all the pages written for IE6 as well as standards compliant code.

[Mattress]

Originally posted by xzxzzx
IE6 has horribly broken CSS / XHTML support. I rarely have much trouble with it. I guess I just know what CSS IE doesn't support and don't use it.

[zootm]

Originally posted by gaekwad2
They've got the problem of having to support all the pages written for IE6 as well as standards compliant code.
Yeah, that seems to be their biggest problem. Many have been reporting that some sites detect IE and provide broken (but working in IE) code - which looks wrong in IE7.

Another problem is that when some problems have been fixed, and others haven't, workarounds for unfixed problems (the "* html" CSS thing, for example) no longer work.

Mwhahaha!

[Sandman2012]

Originally posted by EfaustuS9
for thoughs of you who still prefer IE but love many of the features in firefox and opera... behold microsofts latest mimicing masterpice IE 7 with pop up blocking, tabbed browsing, page zooming, RSS feeds, and integrated search.

I'm not an IE user and I'm no fan of MS, but you gotta admit they were pretty smart here. They have more than 90% of the browser market share. They stop development on their browser and let employees from other companies that design Opera and Firefox go about developing newer features and finding out what people like. Then they integrate those features into their own browser and still have over 90% of the marketshare at a fraction of the R&D cost if they'd done all that on their own.

[EfaustuS9]

Originally posted by Sandman2012
I'm not an IE user and I'm no fan of MS, but you gotta admit they were pretty smart here. They have more than 90% of the browser market share. They stop development on their browser and let employees from other companies that design Opera and Firefox go about developing newer features and finding out what people like. Then they integrate those features into their own browser and still have over 90% of the marketshare at a fraction of the R&D cost if they'd done all that on their own.

A very good point indeed sandman2012. Its not that I would expect such machinations from old Microsoft :rolleyes: , but it is fiendishly clever in all its intricices and it does seem to have some merit, doesnt it?

well it is said that imitation is the sheerest form of flattery. :D

ah hem (http://www.live.com/)

[MaTTFURY]

http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox2/Features

[Sandman2012]

Originally posted by MaTTFURY
http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox2/Features
Once it promises to make toast, we'll know we're in trouble.*







*The moral of the story? Don't eat your toast with wasabi...

[spiderbaby1958]

Like the Mozilla browser, and unlike IE, Firefox is cross-platform. I use Firefox with SUSE Linux. My daughter uses it with Mac.

I also like the extensions (https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/?application={ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}). There's a plug-in called conkerer that allows you to easily browse without a keyboard, a plug-in called "downthemall" that downloads all the links on a page in a couple of clicks, a plug-in that makes all the tabs on a page show in different colors, etc.