'Damning' Evidence Against Jackson

[MegaRock]

(CBS) Michael Jackson's molestation trial is slated to start next week, and things may already be heating up.

According to court documents, prosecutors want to admit potentially damaging evidence, including books, magazines and videos that were seized from the pop star's Neverland ranch. One book in particular contained many photographs of naked boys.

Court TV Executive Investigative Editor Diane Dimond has been following the story.

She tells The Early Show co-anchor Rene Syler that the book, called "The Boy, A Photographic Essay" was seized from Neverland in 1993.

On the front cover is a photo of a naked boy looking out at the sea. It's a coffee table book, and the experts that I have questioned about it…said this book serves two purposes. Number one, self-gratification for a pedophile and number two, it opens up a dialogue for someone who's looking for a target. They go through the book, and there are many nice pictures of boys at play, at work, in the fields and studying at school.

" 'Look at these pictures,' " Dimond suggests a pedophile might say. " 'Look at this. Oh, they're skinny dipping. Would you like to skinny dip with me?' So it's used as a recruitment tool."

Since it's a coffee table book, couldn't it be seen simply as an art book, Syler asked.

"Absolutely," Dimond responded. "It could be. However, as you turn the pages, beginning on about page 25, suddenly you're struck by these completely nude little boys, in strange, provocative poses, laying on a rock with the waterfall falling on top of them. And the mental health professionals that deal with pedophiles that I talked to were very disturbed by the book."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/26/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main669375.shtml

[ElChevelle]

Just think of what his poor monkey has had to endure.

QUADROPEDOPHILE!!!

[dlinkwit27]

the book is just dripping with sexual images too :rolleyes:
http://johnie.boyhoodparadise.com/theboy/jpptbgal.htm

[Mr Jones]

I fail to see how that is damning evidence, any good defence lawyer will argue that right out of court, if iit's a freely available to purchase book, dosn't make you paedo if you buy it does it? If I buy a book on guns does it make me a gun toting serial killer because it's encouraging me to look at guns and have thoughts about guns?

Until some prosecution lawyer produces a video tape or set of polaroids of Jacko mounting some 10 year old boy then most of these 'shock horror' evidence claims are as flakey as flakey can be.

I don't even know why they are bothering with this now other than to sensationalise an already sensational court case, I wouldn't be suprised to see Jacko's defence team come out with 'he's never gonna get a fair trial because of all the ludicrous media coverage' statement before too long.

Not that I have any time for the freak, but this is just stupid, slightly more stupid than the millions of people who will read that and say 'well, yep, he must be guilty'

dumb dumb dumb....

[bgesley]

never ever say "dripping with sexual..." anything..ever.

I know this might be a bad example, but several people who are accused rapists are put into prison because they also have magazines depicting rape. Its not "solid get-his-ass-in-jail evidence" but its very, very supportive and will convince several juries. "Oh he's got those magazines, he must a desire for that type of entertainment."

[petitechloe664y]

its about time that he paid the price for his crimes

[Mr Jones]

Crimes?, what crimes?, has he already been convicted of anything? or do they not practice 'innocent until proved guilty' in the US any more?

...oh wait........

[Michgelsen]

The king of pop is innocent man! :cool:

[Cognition]

Also, if it's true that actually he just loves children (in a non-sexual sense obviously), wouldn't it be likely that he *would* have a coffee-table book with pictures of kids in it?

[Smeggle]

Originally posted by Mr Jones
Crimes?, what crimes?, has he already been convicted of anything? or do they not practice 'innocent until proved guilty' in the US any more?

...oh wait........

If you asked that 5 years ago maybe? ;)

I agree totally with you jonsey, as much as I dislike him, he deserves a fair trial, as does anyone. Absolutely no way he is getting that with the media circus going on as usual.

So I'm actually surprised his defence haven't allready claimed it... They could keep the case out of the courts for years ...so maybe they want there day in court? Could it be he is Innocent??

[MegaRock]

They're just picking on him because he's white.

[petitechloe664y]

jacko is a wacco i tell you and its great that his victims are now speaking against his perversions against children

[spiderbaby1958]

I hope that the Michael Jackson trial doesn't interefere with my ability to get the latest news about Brad and Jen!

[Raz]

I curse the person who rhymed wacko with jacko.

[Mr Jones]

Hey I just saw on the news 'Breakin news ...michael jackson rushed to hospital...more soon'

So is this his get out of jail card being played early?

Place your bets now for the outcome, my money is on ...

Suicide
or...
Fake death so he can slip away and live the life of a reculse

/oh, and here is the breaking story...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4268477.stm

[sirebob]

Originally posted by MegaRock
They're just picking on him because he's white.

:D thats funny. I bet he gets both sides of racism

[General Geoff]

I got nothin' against the guy. I think he's a great (or at least used to be great) musician and dancer. It's very possible he just loves kids so much that outsiders would mistake it for pedophilia, which it's really not. Or maybe he really is a child molester. Who knows? Hopefully the court case will bring to light the truth.

[CaboWaboAddict]

Hmmm... decisions, decisions.

[ActivWiz]

I think Michael is 100% innocent. Reading the transcripts of the trial, I am personally confused how a grand jury could have decided to have him charged. There is so much reasonable doubt vis-a-vis the evidence, that even Stevie Wonder can see that this "alleged molestation" claim is nothing but fantasy on the part of the boy and his family.

[manthabeats]

I think and hope he is guilty. I think he is an awfully fked up person who needs jail time. He used to be good in the 80s but now he sucks ass. (Little boy ass)

[shakey_snake]

I just hope that during this whole thing, no one tempts Jackson with "a ride in a white Bronco" ;)

[ActivWiz]

Well if he is guilty he deserves whatever it is that is coming to him, if he isn't then he doesn't. From what I've read about this trial however, I dont think there is any iota of doubt about the fact that it is a setup...

Originally posted by ActivWiz
I think Michael is 100% innocent. Reading the transcripts of the trial, I am personally confused how a grand jury could have decided to have him charged. There is so much reasonable doubt vis-a-vis the evidence, that even Stevie Wonder can see that this "alleged molestation" claim is nothing but fantasy on the part of the boy and his family.

[SSJ4 Gogitta]

Originally posted by ActivWiz
Well if he is guilty he deserves whatever it is that is coming to him, if he isn't then he doesn't. From what I've read about this trial however, I dont think there is any iota of doubt about the fact that it is a setup...

What if he's guilty, but the jury finds him innocent? Or what if he's innocent, and the jury finds him guilty?

[Wolfgang]

Sometimes, I like to touch kids too. Its all good stuff.

[ActivWiz]

The US constitution does not permit double jeopardy (or whatever it's called), if he is guilty and found innocent, he is free to go. If he is innocent and found guilty, he shall appeal the verdict.

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
What if he's guilty, but the jury finds him innocent? Or what if he's innocent, and the jury finds him guilty?

[Smeggle]

Originally posted by ActivWiz
The US constitution does not permit double jeopardy (or whatever it's called), if he is guilty and found innocent, he is free to go. If he is innocent and found guilty, he shall appeal the verdict.

'If he is guilty and found innocent - he is free to go'

Yeah - thats double jeopardy. If found innocent but then proved later to be guilty - he can even openly admit it himself - he cannot be recharged.

i.e. the 'Double Jeopardy' clause disallows it.

After what I read last night though - I'd say he's got a big job to proove his innocence. Not that I ever liked the squeaky voiced little plankton of untallented crap anyway. Still no way can he get a fair trial IMHO - may not like the guy but that don't mean he doesn't deserve a fair trial - even if he is a nonce.

And as well - the 'Moon Walk' was not his. It was first done by the dancer out of Shalamar and he then tried to nick (with the help of media crap) - in actual fact the 'moon walk dance step' originates in the late 30's - early 40's. Saw a documentory on it once...

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by Wolfgang
Sometimes, I like to touch kids too. Its all good stuff.

I would like to point out that this was not me, but my anus of a flatmate.

[shakey_snake]

Originally posted by Smeggle
'If he is guilty and found innocent - he is free to go'

Yeah - thats double jeopardy. If found innocent but then proved later to be guilty - he can even openly admit it himself - he cannot be recharged.

i.e. the 'Double Jeopardy' clause disallows it.

After what I read last night though - I'd say he's got a big job to proove his innocence. Not that I ever liked the squeaky voiced little plankton of untallented crap anyway. Still no way can he get a fair trial IMHO - may not like the guy but that don't mean he doesn't deserve a fair trial - even if he is a nonce.

And as well - the 'Moon Walk' was not his. It was first done by the dancer out of Shalamar and he then tried to nick (with the help of media crap) - in actual fact the 'moon walk dance step' originates in the late 30's - early 40's. Saw a documentory on it once...
I'm pretty sure Double Jepody means that you cannot be found guilty of the same crime twice.

If he's found innocent and then new evidence is found, the case could certianly be reopened by a grand jury, if they deem it fit.

[CaboWaboAddict]

^WRONG!

You can not be tried twice for the same crime. If he is found innocent, then he can not be retried.



from dictionary.com:
Main Entry: double jeopardy
Function: noun
: the prosecution of a person for an offense for which he or she has already been prosecuted — —see also JEOPARDY, Amendment V to the CONSTITUTION in the back matter —compare MERGER 3
NOTE: The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution states that no person shall “be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb.” The double jeopardy clause bars second prosecutions after either acquittal or conviction, and prohibits multiple punishments for the same offense.

[shakey_snake]

So say he's aquitted of all charges, and then someone finds a genuine video tape of him clearly molesting one of the little kids he was tried for.

The criminal case can't be reopened?

[dlinkwit27]

Originally posted by shakey_snake
So say he's aquitted of all charges, and then someone finds a genuine video tape of him clearly molesting one of the little kids he was tried for.

The criminal case can't be reopened? correct. However, he could then be charged with a similar but diferent charge, such as being in posession of child porn paraphernalia or somethign like that.

Lets say I go out and I shhot some guy in the back for no reason. I get arrested, have a trial, and found innocent. As soon as I am found innocent, I can shout at the judge "HA HA! I DID IT! I KILLED THAT BASTARD! HAHA!" and the criminal system justice cannot do jack squat about it. I am still a free man. I could, however, then be tried for illeagle posession of a firearm or something like that (if I ddin't have a licence, etc).

[ShyShy]

Originally posted by shakey_snake
So say he's aquitted of all charges, and then someone finds a genuine video tape of him clearly molesting one of the little kids he was tried for.

The criminal case can't be reopened?

I'm unsure of the law in this case, but I think he could be brought up on a set of different charges if that were to happen.

[sideways]

He's guilty. End of story. :)

[Mattress]

you have proof?

[zootm]

I wasn't going to mention it, but...

[ActivWiz]

I think u have followed R. Kelly's case too closely...

Originally posted by shakey_snake
So say he's aquitted of all charges, and then someone finds a genuine video tape of him clearly molesting one of the little kids he was tried for.

The criminal case can't be reopened?

[MegaRock]

SANTA MARIA, California (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's former personal maid testified Tuesday that she saw the pop star showering and laughing with a young boy at Neverland Ranch -- with their underwear lying outside the shower door.

However, the woman said that in the years she worked for Jackson, she never saw him touch a child sexually, although his behavior did make her uncomfortable and "concerned" for her own preteen son, who often came to work with her at Jackson's suggestion.

Her son testified Monday that he had been fondled by Jackson on three occasions but did not tell his mother until years afterward. (Monday's testimony)

Both the mother and son in 1996 reached an out-of-court financial settlement with Jackson in which the entertainer denied wrongdoing.

Taking the stand at Jackson's child molestation trial, the former maid also said child movie star Macaulay Culkin stayed alone with Jackson in his bedroom when he visited for extended periods, though she did not say she saw any improper contact between the two.

The woman said the boy she saw showering with Jackson was about 8 years old when he started staying at Neverland for weeks at a time over about a year, starting in 1989. She said he would sleep overnight in Jackson's bedroom suite, and, when she went to change the linen, she would find only one of the two beds in the suite had been used.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/05/jackson.trial/index.html

[dlinkwit27]

funny how nobody ever sees anything. funny how nobody ever thought to mention any of this until years later.

[Mattress]

dude, what kind of parents let their kids stay over at michael jackson's house?

or any popstar's house for that matter?

seriously WTF?