Winamp 5.25 beta preview (build 868)

[A Crazy German]

The Plug-In Tips not long shows play count in the Playlist.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by Benski
Build 812 posted


w00t, go devs!

[STanger]

DrO's one click and hide plug just don't want to work in b809, after you install set winamp tp systray icon then try to use it and it won't reappear on screen..so you have to close winamp delete that particular dll then restart winamp..it's still minimized then click the systray icon and then it's back on screen at it's last position.

I'll give b812 a whirl and see what's what.

STanger

<edit>it's still not working with b812 sorry I thought it was working</edit>

[Zulithe]

build 812: options window, tag editor window (and others?) does not use Luna interace when using Luna in Win XP, instead shows up as "classic"-type

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by Zulithe
build 812: options window, tag editor window (and others?) does not use Luna interace when using Luna in Win XP, instead shows up as "classic"-type

Not having this problem...

[Zulithe]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
Not having this problem... really? hrrm :/ I will try a clean install... i installed over previous beta. Not sure what the problem is then...

[bemymonkey]

Just tried out a few visual styles, and none of them exhibit the problems you're describing... looks like something in your setup is causing it..

[Zulithe]

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/383/untitleddl3.th.png (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitleddl3.png)
I am using the Pro installer...
Notice that the entire theme shows up fine, including the scrollbars for the option window but the window itself is not "lunafied".
Any ideas?

[bemymonkey]

Holy crap, that screenshot only just made me realize what you mean... I thought you meant the window title bar, wasn't even looking at the rest.

In that case, yeah, I'm getting that too, lol... wouldn't have noticed it without your comment though, heheh.

[Zulithe]

Oh, whew. Well I'm glad I'm not crazy. Thanks for confirming, bemymonkey

[Benski]

re: non-themed controls
thanks for the heads-up, it has been fixed and will be workign again in the final version.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by Zulithe
Oh, whew. Well I'm glad I'm not crazy. Thanks for confirming, bemymonkey

No problem ;-)... lol. I know the feeling :-P - when I first noticed the Creative EAX/24-Bit problem I was drunk, so I really thought I was going a bit crazy when everything started fading in and out hahah.

Originally posted by Benski
re: non-themed controls
thanks for the heads-up, it has been fixed and will be workign again in the final version.

Hooray! :-)

[Serpher]

Originally posted by Benski
warning when selecting 24bit output


could anybody explane that?? this mean i cannot select 24bit output or what? :confused:

[DrO]

Originally posted by STanger
DrO's one click and hide plug just don't want to work in b809, after you install set winamp tp systray icon then try to use it and it won't reappear on screen..so you have to close winamp delete that particular dll then restart winamp..it's still minimized then click the systray icon and then it's back on screen at it's last position.

I'll give b812 a whirl and see what's what.

STanger

<edit>it's still not working with b812 sorry I thought it was working</edit> i'll have to check it out, if need be can you send me a copy of your winamp.ini so i can test with the same settings as possible though i'm having no issues with b809 (haven't had a chance to install the last builds and i'm out now so will see what i can get done over the weekend time/non enthusiastic socialising allows me)

-daz

[STanger]

Originally posted by DrO
i'll have to check it out, if need be can you send me a copy of your winamp.ini so i can test with the same settings as possible though i'm having no issues with b809 (haven't had a chance to install the last builds and i'm out now so will see what i can get done over the weekend time/non enthusiastic socialising allows me)

-daz

sent.

<edit>I think the multiuser bits might be the problem .. This has never happened to me before just as I've never had a reason to install winamp multiuser before. I'll also try a clean install.</edit>

STanger

[STanger]

Originally posted by Serpher
could anybody explane that?? this mean i cannot select 24bit output or what? :confused:

It's there as a warning because not every sound card in the market is capable of 24bit output, you can select it but I wouldn't unless you're 100% sure the sound card you're using is 24bit output capable.

Some examples are Creative's X-Fi line ..Audigy 4 & 2 NX line and SB Live 24bit (both internal and external) ..either Terratec or
Turtle Beach (both of them do afaik) have sound cards that can do this

[alexjoey]

Hello in 5 minutes I found an unexpected thing of this beta and I wish all of members here confirm it
in the id3tag GENRE choice, this 812 beta windows lets appears 8 lines contrary to "a lots" as before.
Thanks.

http://www.mezimages.com/image/alexjoey2/miniature/mini_genretag-801.png (http://www.mezimages.com/agrandir_membre.php?na=alexjoey2&fi=/genretag-801.png)<801 812>http://www.mezimages.com/image/alexjoey2/miniature/mini_genretag-812.png (http://www.mezimages.com/agrandir_membre.php?na=alexjoey2&fi=/genretag-812.png)

[amano]

Confirmed. On the other hand it might have been changed deliberately.

[alexjoey]

OK but it is more pleasant, one has the impression to be imprisoned in the choice, whereas there is however the same number.:rolleyes:
that cannot be the work of the developers, why else ?

[Desides]

Installed the new build, still didn't fix my problem. Yes, I'm using unicode fonts. Does the FLAC plugin have to support unicode in order to display a unicode title?

[will]

The FLAC plugin does not have unicode support.

If the author returned my AIM messages, i'd be able to help him fix that.

[Desides]

So the plugin DOES need unicode support to display unicode titles. Thank you, will!

[Bubba Smith]

Originally posted by will
The FLAC plugin does not have unicode support.

If the author returned my AIM messages, i'd be able to help him fix that. Well, the author (http://forums.winamp.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=120626) of the FLAC plugin hasn't posted in these forums since 12-21-2005. This (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1830133#post1830133) was his last post at that time. His current AIM status is offline, but there are other messenger and email contacts for him listed at his site (http://www.facquet.com/en/), on this contact page (http://www.facquet.com/en/contact-1.html) located there.

But... the RSS feed (http://www.facquet.com/en/news-1.xml) at his site (which is there to follow up on the website's activities), hasn't been worked on/updated since 11-23-2005. So, I feel he hasn't been around at all since late 2005, and may now be totally unreachable.

[darkdragon3]

Here is my Report log again same issue as before. I have the latest ffdshow codec and nothing else. I am wondering if it is the codec pack I'm using, if so maybe I need to switch back to the Divx play bundle. . .

[A Crazy German]

Should there be a Differnce with 24 bit sound right away cause I'll switch back and forth and theres no differnce at all.

[Benski]

Originally posted by A Crazy German
Should there be a Differnce with 24 bit sound right away cause I'll switch back and forth and theres no differnce at all.

No, you'll have to restart playback of the track to have the setting take effect.


In general, though, you probably won't hear much of a difference between 16 and 24 bit playback. If you're running through the preamp, EQ, and a DSP plugin, you might notice a difference. This is because with 16bit, 1bit rounding errors can be faintly audible, but are definitely not audible with 24bit.

[Desides]

Ran into a bug... using the full build, whenever I attempt to load the Modern Skins subsection of the preferences, Winamp freezes up. It also doesn't load the navigation tabs that should be at the top of the window.

[Tanookirby]

I found this one annoying problem with this build:

I have a few plugins on my winamp that play video game music files (i.e. spc's, usf's), and I usually like to set the plugins to play the files forever, which makes the time 0:00 once they are being played. However, when I import these songs onto a playlist in the Media Library menu and then select the playlist, the list of files in the Media Library do not show the 0:00 on the times. I would like to see this corrected in the next build or version. I find it really annoying for reasons too complicated to explain.

I own an XP 64bit on a dell, by the way.

[sullysnet]

why can't winamp when uninstalling have an option to keep your settings in place. I know I can backup the winamp.ini myself but it would be neat to have this in uninstall option to keep all user settings

thanks

[Cpuroast]

Hi,

I use local M3U files that reference remote http links to either M3U or PLS shoutcast playlist files which I assign to buttons on my remote.

This would work perfectly in 5.24, but in 5.25 it doesn't pull the remote playlist and starts playing. Instead, it just displays an error message : [Error synching to stream] http://etn.fm/progressive-high.m3u

If I load these remote playlists from bookmarks in winamp or from the play url option, it works fine.

This happens in all builds of 5.25 I've tried even the latest b812.

Just thought I'd point this out.

Thanks,

[roytam1]

I should take out some evidences to proof the Winamp.m3u8 bug.
my playlist atteched.

jpop.m3u8 is my original m3u8 playlist, saved in M;\song
and Winamp.m3u8 is Winamp generated in its directory.

The problem is that, Winamp doesn't seem able to process m3u8 playlist and made an accident CRLF after some #EXTINF line.

[Koopa]

Just noticed another issue with 24Bit playback.

The Signal Processing Studio plugin (dsp_sps) seems to have problems with 24Bit.

When I use e.g. the preset "justin - reverseness.sps" my left speakers just make noise. Reproduced with .ogg and .acc (in MP4 container) files.

When I uncheck "Allow 24 bit" everything is fine, the plugin works as expected.

Using Audigy 2, latest drivers, no EAX enabled, speakers setup 5.1.

Another small thing, which is annoying is, that the option to set a password in "Media Library" -> "Online Media" -> "Internet Media Rating Preferences" has no "Cancel" button, you must enter a password. It would be nice to have a "Cancel" button.

Benski, nice that you've implemented a warning, when you enable 24Bit, thanks. :)

[Benski]

Originally posted by Cpuroast
Hi,

I use local M3U files that reference remote http links to either M3U or PLS shoutcast playlist files which I assign to buttons on my remote.

This would work perfectly in 5.24, but in 5.25 it doesn't pull the remote playlist and starts playing. Instead, it just displays an error message : [Error synching to stream] http://etn.fm/progressive-high.m3u

If I load these remote playlists from bookmarks in winamp or from the play url option, it works fine.

This happens in all builds of 5.25 I've tried even the latest b812.

Just thought I'd point this out.

Thanks,

Thanks for the report. This has been fixed for the final.

[Benski]

Originally posted by roytam1
I should take out some evidences to proof the Winamp.m3u8 bug.
my playlist atteched.

jpop.m3u8 is my original m3u8 playlist, saved in M;\song
and Winamp.m3u8 is Winamp generated in its directory.

The problem is that, Winamp doesn't seem able to process m3u8 playlist and made an accident CRLF after some #EXTINF line.

I can't replicate your problem. I opened the jpop.m3u8 file and the winamp.m3u8 that was subsequently saved did not experience the problems you had.

Judging by your earlier post (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2006691#post2006691), it sounds like the ape plugin is creating bad titles (maybe with an embedded newline character)

[MasterViVi]

See this screen again:
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitleddl3.png

"High and realtime priorities are not..." what? :)

[SadEye]

Winamp Agent don't work right if it is disable.

[drewbar]

Well, if it is disabled of course it isn't going to work. That's what "Disabled" means. Can you try to explain the issue a little more clearer?

[roytam1]

Originally posted by Benski
I can't replicate your problem. I opened the jpop.m3u8 file and the winamp.m3u8 that was subsequently saved did not experience the problems you had.

Judging by your earlier post (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2006691#post2006691), it sounds like the ape plugin is creating bad titles (maybe with an embedded newline character) But the problem is that, mp3 files also affected and the problem doesn't exist in earlier versions.
If I load m3u playlist, the first time saving of Winamp.m3u8 will have no problem but the secord time will have that problem.

[Juanus]

I am getting a lockup with the latest beta 812 on my home machine. This was not happening with any of the previous betas. Clean install and no third party plugins.

In the Media Library, Click the Library button in the lower left pane > Media Library Preferences.
It automatically defaults to the Media Library preferences choice, but if I try to click on any other preferences, winamp is locked. I have to end task on it.

If I do ctrl P, I seem to be able to choose everything until I get to the Media Library Preferences, then the lock up occurs again.

I attached the crash logs if that will help.

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by Juanus
I attached the crash logs if that will help. Yes, please do, because we can't reproduce the problem.


@MasterViVi
Prefs typo is fixed. Thanks.

[SadEye]

Originally posted by drewbar
Well, if it is disabled of course it isn't going to work. That's what "Disabled" means. Can you try to explain the issue a little more clearer?

Winamp Agent still works if it is disabled.:D

[Koopa]

Winamp Agent still works if it is disabled.
Reproduced, but I guess the problem is already known.

[DJ Egg]

Nope, can't reproduce it here. What do you mean by 'still works'?

When I check 'Enable winamp agent' I see the entry added to HKLM\...\Run
and when I uncheck it the StartUp entry goes away.

Are you using some StartUp monitoring app maybe? eg. Windows Defender etc.

[X7-007]

The program freezes with CPU 99% after entering options and going through Media Libary.

If i click directly on Media Libary it freezes right away.

Have lastest DX
XFI ExtremeMusic latest drivers
WinxpSP2 lastest updates
Amd64 +2800
Nforce 3 lastest drivers


it didnt happen in the beta before this ver.

i didnt install any of the 3rd party appz, the Sonic Encoding, no Virtuallion, no Video Support, no Wave Writing, and no CD Extracting.

exacly what Juanus talked about.

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2008572#post2008572

[amano]

Juanus,X7, I don't seem to be able to reproduce. Does this happen with the classic skin as well?

X7, can you attach the crash logs?

[BugMaster]

Winamp incorrectly associates with playlist extensions during installation or when executing "Winamp.exe /REG=L". As I see in RegMon it creates registry key "HKCR\*.M3U;*.M3U8;*.PLS;*.B4S;*.WPL;*.ASX" but such actions is incorrect it must create 6 independent registry keys "HKCR\.M3U", "HKCR\.M3U8", etc. Also it creates some unreadable registry keys. I add the RegMon screenshot to illustrate this bug.
Un-association of playlist extensions is also incorrect.

P.S. I see such behaviour in all Winamp 5.25 Beta including build 812.

[DJ Egg]

@BugMaster
Thanks. Fixed :-)

[BugMaster]

Originally posted by BugMaster
Incorrect working of option "When loading multiple files, sort by filename". For example such dir (ascending order):
#DUMMY.MP3
01 - Set 1.mp3
02 - Set 2.mp3

After checking this option became:
01 - Set 1.mp3
02 - Set 2.mp3
#DUMMY.MP3

P.S. Winamp 5.24 also has this bug. Originally posted by Benski
This is because the sorting algorithm changed (a few versions back) to allow for correct sorting of filenames without leading zeroes. e.g. 1 2 3 ... 10 11, instead of 1 10 11 2 ...

Unfortunately, as a side effect, all the numbers are put first when sorting. May be it is possible to make the option in preferences to switch to old algorithm? Or completely restore the old algorithm?

[Kovenant]

hi" I am new here :D and i have tiny request... I guess it was posted earlier so sorry about... why arent unicode names shown in tray too? http://www.Image-Shed.com/uploads/9018657df8.jpg (http://www.Image-Shed.com) I hope its going to be in final or next beta :) thank you :winamp:

[Edit --> DJ Egg]
The winamp window itself still isn't a unicode window.
The fix would be a pretty major one, and alas won't make it in time for 5.25 final.
Maybe later, hopefully... we shall see.

[Giovi]

Hello, I have some problems with Winamp.

1: since Winamp was born :D I had problem with Assistant, after each next reinstall, setting of assistant's icon in systray is always turn on, even if I each reinstall turning it off. It's small problem :)

2: The bigger one, I have the latest build of :winamp:5.25 (812) (the problem was with 5.24, 5.25 Beta 1 and 5.25 build 801 too) and my winamp freezes up when the random mp3-file ends, but only sometimes, over an hour Winamp playing good and in a second, after end of some track it freezes up and what's the biggest problem - I can't close it even with TaskManager in Windows. The only solution to close and reopen Winamp is restart the machine which is very annoying, please, if you want any INIs or info about machine, ask for it, I will send you, now dunno what you need to know. The only plugin I installed to standard plugins is AMIP (Mirc now playing plugin) but it everytime was working and I am not using it when the Winamp freezes up, so dunno where's the problem ...

please help :( thank you in advance

[Koopa]

Nope, can't reproduce it here. What do you mean by 'still works'?
When I disable the agent and reboot my system, the agent is still in the systray. Reproduced on 2 systems.

Only workaround: Disable agent via msconfig or another tool.

Are you using some StartUp monitoring app maybe? eg. Windows Defender etc.
No

[Bubba Smith]

Well, no matter how many times I try, I can't reproduce the above behavior with 5.25 beta build 812. If I disable the agent, it's disabled and does not reappear, unless I re-enable it. Though, on occasion, I will have 2 instances of the agent in the systray. Simply closing one will leave the other active. This however, happens very infrequently.

[Koopa]

Bug don't mean that it's reproducible on all maschines. 1000 PCs, 1000 different configurations. ;)

I reproduced it on 2 different maschines, also reinstalled 5.24 to be sure, that this is related to 5.25 Beta.

5.24 works fine, 5.25 has this bug, at least on my systems.

[Benski]

I've noticed strange behavior with Winamp agent, and having multiple users logged into the computer.

[Giovi]

please help me :( (above)

[amano]

Giovanni, just try renaming the amip plugin to amip.dll.off when winamp is closed and see if the bug is still reproduceable. You can rename it afterwards back. But it is the only valid method to see if isn't related to this plugin. Sometimes plugins break and a mirc plugin seems to be likely to be affected by the new unicode stuff.

[Giovi]

I will try, but like I said, the problem was the same with 5.24 and there wasn't unicode support. I will try.

EDiT: I've uninstalled it. Now we will see...

[amano]

Unicode support was added partially even before 5.24, eg. in gen_ff for version 5.22. I just ask because it doesn't crash for me.

[Giovi]

ohw, okey, so now Winamp is playing correctly, I will see in few tens of minutes ... thanks anyway!

[ujay]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
When I disable the agent and reboot my system, the agent is still in the systray. Reproduced on 2 systems.

This was reported back at the start of this thread.

It is an installer problem, not a winamp problem.

If you set up the Agent in the installer it creates a 'Winamp Agent' run at boot entry in the registry.

When you then run winamp it also creates an entry 'WinampAgent' in the run at boot entries. No amount of turning this on an off will clear the 'Winamp Agent' entry. You will need to do this by editting the registry. (or use HJT if you have it).

Maybe this is only a problem with the beta install files and wil be gone in the final release.

UJ

[Benski]

agentOriginally posted by ujay
This was reported back at the start of this thread.

It is an installer problem, not a winamp problem.

If you set up the Agent in the installer it creates a 'Winamp Agent' run at boot entry in the registry.

When you then run winamp it also creates an entry 'WinampAgent' in the run at boot entries. No amount of turning this on an off will clear the 'Winamp Agent' entry. You will need to do this by editting the registry. (or use HJT if you have it).

Maybe this is only a problem with the beta install files and wil be gone in the final release.

UJ

Thanks for the details, UJ. This has been fixed for final.

[X7-007]

I forgot , i didnt say so, i havent installed the agent nor enabled it anyhow.

and i always used the Modrem skin, havent use the classic since the modren replaced it. and yes i just tried to install it when its with classic skin and it did freeze same as before.

as for the error report, i have no idea how to use it, thee is no log or file in C:\ as default location. it doest leave any logs because it closes with CTRL + ALT + DEL, end Winamp.exe.

[X7-007]

bhaa sorry for the 2posts, it said i cant post every 60 but i didnt see it the first time, it said that on the first time i tried so i was confused.

[savagcl]

Been waiting for 24 bit for the longest. Sounds great here.
Build 812, winamp pro.

Only problem i can see is no vis. Tried 5 different skins
and all give "illegal operation" message and suggesttion to
restart winamp.

sound card: Creative Audigy 2 ZX with ft. panel. Running
with 5.1 channel and EAX is off (off or on seemed to make
no difference in sound.

Well Done! Cant wait for the formal release,
savagcl

[Benski]

Originally posted by savagcl
Been waiting for 24 bit for the longest. Sounds great here.
Build 812, winamp pro.

Only problem i can see is no vis. Tried 5 different skins
and all give "illegal operation" message and suggesttion to
restart winamp.

sound card: Creative Audigy 2 ZX with ft. panel. Running
with 5.1 channel and EAX is off (off or on seemed to make
no difference in sound.

Well Done! Cant wait for the formal release,
savagcl

The crash (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251985#known) when opening the visualizer has been fixed for the final release.

[Giovi]

Well, the problem seems to be eliminated by uninstalling amip :) thanks in advance to amano

BUT AGAIN: After each reinstall of Winamp, WinampAgent icon in systray is shown even if I turned it off in previous version of Winamp ... will you fix this bug please? :)

[DJ Egg]

1. Re: amip

3rd-party plugins aren't supported here. Please do not post any issues about 3rd-party plugins in this thread, unless it is a global issue which effects all plugins of a particular category.

2. Re: AgentOriginally posted by Benski
Thanks for the details, UJ. This has been fixed for final.

[X7-007]

Guys sorry to be anoying but i want to use the prog Winamp but i cant get it configurated without it to freeze after couple seconds, after couple travels in the options it get stuck, but if u go to the media right away it stuck instant, could u get it fixed, because i just cant use it without hearing mp3 with 24bit :P

[Benski]

Originally posted by X7-007
Guys sorry to be anoying but i want to use the prog Winamp but i cant get it configurated without it to freeze after couple seconds, after couple travels in the options it get stuck, but if u go to the media right away it stuck instant, could u get it fixed, because i just cant use it without hearing mp3 with 24bit :P

Does it lock up on any particular part of the preferences? Or on any of them?

Also, have you tried deleting your C:\Program Files\Winamp directory and installing again? (to eliminate the possibility of a third party plugin causing problems)

[X7-007]

it stuck in any of the related in the Media Libary. i can change in any other of the first group, but if i just click on media llibary or any related group it freezes. and it stuck when i click on skins or any related in the group. but in all others it doesnt happen, i can click on them all day long.
i did delete the whole folder with nothing left inside , clean installion.

[alexjoey]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
@BugMaster
Thanks. Fixed :-) :up: I'm thanking you too, because me too with Ccleaner since a long time I always witness that, without beleiving that fixing was possible.

And about my GENRE of id3tags (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2007088#post2007088) something else to say ?

Good day.

[Edit --> DJ Egg]
Yes, the genre drop-down has also been fixed.

[kearnemj]

top borderline of track field box in .mp3 id3v1&2 window isnt displaying correctly. minor bug.
winamp build 812, no third party plugins. happens to all my mp3s

[Bubba Smith]

Originally posted by kearnemj
top borderline of track field box in .mp3 id3v1&2 window isnt displaying correctly. minor bug.
winamp build 812, no third party plugins. happens to all my mp3sI'm using build 812 and no such problem.
Screenshot...

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7476/mp3id3vs1.png

Track fields are fine, as you can see. Same with every MP3. No variance.

[menno]

I see you made some elaboration on the MP4 HE AAC settings page about the "accurate" and "backward compatible" information. It says "backwards compatible" will show as LC AAC in the info box, that is just a failure of your info box. Make it read the extended backwards compatible audio specific config correctly, I think what you actually mean is that it will show LC AAC as HE AAC? You can use the backwards compatible info to explicitly turn off SBR using the sbr_present_flag, if it's 0 just say LC AAC if it is 1 say HE AAC. Doing that removes all disadvantages of using backwards compatible info and makes "accurate" (not more accurate at all) info completely useless.

PS. If I select the high bitrate encoder it starts some BS about buying MP3.

[Juanus]

Hey Guys, About the preferences lock up reported in the threads listed below. I thought that I had uploaded the crash logs in my previous post and I appologize. The file was too big to be attached and I did not check.

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2008572#post2008572
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2009266#post2009266
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2009293#post2009293

crash logs attached.

[Winner2]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
Just noticed another issue with 24Bit playback.

The Signal Processing Studio plugin (dsp_sps) seems to have problems with 24Bit.

When I use e.g. the preset "justin - reverseness.sps" my left speakers just make noise. Reproduced with .ogg and .acc (in MP4 container) files.

When I uncheck "Allow 24 bit" everything is fine, the plugin works as expected.

Using Audigy 2, latest drivers, no EAX enabled, speakers setup 5.1.
I can confirm the same "reverseness" problem reported by Koopatrooper, with a similar setup, only using a 2/2.1 speaker configuration with my SoundBlaster Audigy 2ZS. There seems to be sound output trouble with other studio plugin modules as well.

[DJ Egg]

Re: dsp plugins & 24bit

maybe this will explain it best...

[Koopa]

Funny enough, that it was my idea to add this information dialog. :)

But from the changelog of Winamp 5.02:

* made SPS support 24 bit samples

So I would call it a bug, not a limitation, or am I wrong?

We don't talk about any third party DSP plug-in, it's the dsp_sps plug-in, which is bundled with Winamp 5.x.

Nevertheless, I will install 5.24 and check if I can reproduce the 24Bit problem, then I can say, if this is related to 5.25 beta. :)

[DJ Egg]

Yeah, that's input, not output.

Apparently izotope ozone plugin works with 24bit output, so it probably means that those which don't will all need some kind of update (sorry, I'm not sure of the exact details, heh).

[Koopa]

Yeah, that's input, not output.
Then sorry, I misunderstood the changelog. Thanks for pointing this out.
so it probably means that those which don't will all need some kind of update
Yeah, the information dialog when you enable 24Bit is ok, but the bundled dsp plugin should be updated and work with 24Bit too, if possible. :)

[DJ Egg]

Agreed, heh.

[amano]

In this thread Josh Coalson promised to sort out the license stuff for the next flac release: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=46898&st=25

[Benski]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
Funny enough, that it was my idea to add this information dialog. :)

But from the changelog of Winamp 5.02:



So I would call it a bug, not a limitation, or am I wrong?

We don't talk about any third party DSP plug-in, it's the dsp_sps plug-in, which is bundled with Winamp 5.x.

Nevertheless, I will install 5.24 and check if I can reproduce the 24Bit problem, then I can say, if this is related to 5.25 beta. :)

Yes, the 24bit mode of dsp_sps was broken. I just fixed it *yay*

[DJ Egg]

w00t :-)

confirmed dsp_sps now works with 24bit

[Juanus]

Any luck with the Preferences Lock Up problem that I reported? did the crash logs help?

[Benski]

Originally posted by Juanus
Any luck with the Preferences Lock Up problem that I reported? did the crash logs help?
Unfortunately, I havn't been able to reproduce it yet. Does it happen with earlier betas (787 and 801 are still available from the download site), or with 5.24? If it's ok with 801, it might be because of the Windows XP theming bug in 812.
The crashlog shows that it locked up somewhere inside of Windows and seemed to indicate it was a system problem - however, it's impossible to tell.

[Juanus]

Benski, No, this did not happen with previous betas or previous versions of any type. I am able to use 5.24 still (it is what I am using for now) and I did try 787 and 801 and everything worked fine. Is there anything that I could tell you that might help?

[Benski]

Originally posted by Juanus
Benski, No, this did not happen with previous betas or previous versions of any type. I am able to use 5.24 still (it is what I am using for now) and I did try 787 and 801 and everything worked fine. Is there anything that I could tell you that might help?

private message sent...

[amano]

Since I just glanced at that HA thread: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=40134&hl=

Maybe something like that should be added to the 24bit warning:
"* increasing the bitrate will most certainly not be audibly perceptible for plain music listening"

[wa21guy]

Just got a crash...

Winamp client version: 5.25 build 801 Beta Winamp caused an Integer Divide by Zero (0xc0000094) in module xvidcore.dll at 001b:057d54a2.

Exception handler called in Winamp.

[osmosis]

try 812

[DJ Egg]

You're still using build 801? Does it happen with build 812?
You're using XviD's poor DirectShow Filter to play XviD content instead of ffdshow (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/FFDShow.htm)?
What is the filesize of the video you're playing? Greater than 2GB?

[BenJammin]

All right, WinAmp just totally crashed and made my entire computer go crazy. Here's my problem -

By the way, I was trying to use the Media Library/in2tv feature:

Winamp client version: 5.25 build 812 Beta
Winamp caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005)
in module Winamp.exe at 001b:39444334.

I'll attach the report.zip


Thanks!

[kr4zy]

Winamp 5.25 build 812 beta crashed when enqueuing 700+ songs...

I enqueued, then they disappeared, as in weren't enqueued anymore, queued them again, back and forth like three times, then winamp.exe crashed:

Winamp client version: 5.25 build 812 Beta
winamp caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005)
in module gen_jumpex.dll at 001b:05b12bd2.

Exception handler called in Winamp.

[kr4zy]

Winamp client version: 5.25 build 812 Beta
winamp caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005)
in module gen_jumpex.dll at 001b:05b22bd2.

Exception handler called in Winamp.

Crashed again, just attached crash report now :o

[net-cruizer]

Originally posted by kr4zy
Winamp 5.25 build 812 beta crashed when enqueuing 700+ songs...

I enqueued, then they disappeared, as in weren't enqueued anymore, queued them again, back and forth like three times, then winamp.exe crashed:

Winamp client version: 5.25 build 812 Beta
winamp caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005)
in module gen_jumpex.dll at 001b:05b12bd2.

Exception handler called in Winamp.

I just tried, enqued over 2000 songs from Media Libray, no probs, then selected all mp3s from the folder itself and enqued in Winamp, no probs.
Just thought I'd try to see if there was in deed a bug when enqueing lots of mp3s.

[DJ Egg]

@kr4zy

Your report is invalid

Could be any of these 3rd-party plugins to blame:

Module 25
C:\Program Files\Winamp v5.2\Plugins\dsp_dfx.dll

Module 46
C:\Program Files\Winamp v5.2\Plugins\ml_atfext.dll

Module 56
C:\Program Files\Winamp v5.2\Plugins\gen_mp3cue.dll

Module 57
C:\Program Files\Winamp v5.2\Plugins\gen_msn.dll

Module 60
C:\Program Files\Winamp v5.2\Plugins\gen_tips.dll

_______________________________________________________


@ all audigy 2 zs users

Just found a better 'fix' for the cmss2/24bit problem
(where effects alternate on/off on seek etc)

Disable 'fade on seek' in out_ds config > fading :-)

[DJ Egg]

Build 825 posted

Winamp 5.25 Beta Full (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0825_beta_full.exe)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Pro (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0825_beta_pro.exe) (asks for key during install)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Standard (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0825_beta_std.exe) (same as Full but no ML or viz)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Lite (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0825_beta_lite.exe)

changelog between build 812 and build 825

Fixed: playlist extension registry writing
Fixed: remote playlists nested within a playlist
Fixed: dialog fixes (font change had knocked some things out of whack)
Fixed: xp themed dialogs
Fixed: rogue winamp agent registry Run key
Fixed: [dsp_sps] 24 bit fix
Fixed: [in_dshow] seek to key frame
Fixed: [in_mp3] do Viz after DSP
Fixed: [in_mp3] made genre dropdown bigger again (only effects pre-XP os's)
Fixed: [gen_jumpex] Crash when clicking 'switch to vis/video' button
Fixed: [gen_ml] tree icon fixup (working around an OS bug that was causing CreateDIBSection to sometimes crash (divide-by-zero in ICM32) using V4 bitmap header struct)
Fixed: [ml_local] fix for setting the watch folders extension list
Fixed: [ml_local] fixed crash when trying to create a new view before mldb has loaded
Improved: expanded 24bit warning
Updated: [gen_jumpex] jtfe 0.97.7h (build 57)


Update

Newer in_mp3.dll (http://stashbox.org/uploads/1155684057/in_mp3.dll)

(see posts below for details)

[YtseJam]

Seriously, guys, why is it sooooo diffecult to add this [goddamn] button (http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1079/closewinamptd2.jpg)?

Why Oh Why?

Bugs can be fixed within "minutes", but a button can't be added? And mind you, it's a button many want!

[ap1978]

Typo in the window that pops up when clicking on (more info) under Winamp Setup - Internet Connection and Language Settings

neccessary = necessary

[osmosis]

something i just noticed: you can open the preferences with winamp minimized to the systray, and once they're open you can go to General and uncheck Systray icon, but the setting doesn't actually do anything unless the main window is open.

[DJ Egg]

Hmm... that could be by design.
What if you've got Winamp set to show in the systray only?
If the icon were to disappear then you've got no way of restoring Winamp
(other than killing the process in Task Mgr and editing winamp.ini).

[Koopa]

Yes, the 24bit mode of dsp_sps was broken. I just fixed it *yay*
Thanks Benski. :) Cheers Egg. :)

[soljarag]

Windows XP SP2
512 RAM
Winamp 2.5 Build 825, 812

whenever I play almost any of my songs I hear some REALLY bad clicks or just wierd noises .... i can hear it alot when I have my headphones on


Its not really easy to hear it out of the speakers.... but if you listen closly you can hear it

when I installed 2.24 back, there are no wierd clicks or noises...


first I thought my collection got corrupted, but was relieved when I installed 2.24 back

[Benski]

Originally posted by soljarag
Windows XP SP2
512 RAM
Winamp 2.5 Build 825, 812

whenever I play almost any of my songs I hear some REALLY bad clicks or just wierd noises .... i can hear it alot when I have my headphones on

Its not really easy to hear it out of the speakers.... but if you listen closly you can hear it

when I installed 2.24 back, there are no wierd clicks or noises...

first I thought my collection got corrupted, but was relieved when I installed 2.24 back

What kind of files? MP3? Can you upload one somewhere for us to test with?

[amano]

Damn. You are right. I can reproduce that. There are clicks within my mp3 files if I listen carefully. At least with some mp3 tracks that I listen to just now.

I will investigate a bit further.

24 bit is off. Turning on/off dither doesn't change anything.
soundblaster live! 5.1 with the kx drivers installed.

EDIT: Doesn't seem to happen with all files. I will attach some seconds of a song that exposes it.

[soljarag]

Originally posted by Benski
What kind of files? MP3? Can you upload one somewhere for us to test with?

can I pm you a link, i dont want to post it to the board

[Benski]

Originally posted by soljarag
can I pm you a link, i dont want to post it to the board
of course

[amano]

Hear the click halfway the sample. Only with winamp, not with mpc eg.

And please delete the attachment when you have downloaded this.

[soljarag]

haha, the song i sent him was 10 times worse than that :)

and yeah, i agree its not every song.... more like 15% of my songs

[Giovi]

No problems for me, everything is playing fine ... (build 825)

[Benski]

in_mp3 @amano and soljarag
does this work any better?

http://stashbox.org/uploads/1155684057/in_mp3.dll

(save to the Winamp\Plugins folder)


thanks for the heads up :) was a weird corner case that I would have been unlikely to find otherwise.

[amano]

Yes. It works fine for me now :)
Thanks a lot for fixing and for being so responsive :up:

[soljarag]

yep! thanks that fixed it.... glad I could help

[wa21guy]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
You're still using build 801? Does it happen with build 812?
You're using XviD's poor DirectShow Filter to play XviD content instead of ffdshow (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/FFDShow.htm)?
What is the filesize of the video you're playing? Greater than 2GB?

- I was using build 801 because at the time I didn't know 812 was out. I've since upgraded to 825.

- You're right, I'm not using ffdshow on purpose. :) I wanted to run some tests.

- It was roughly 500 megs. It was not above 1GB.

- Unfortunately I can't test a repro on build 825 (although I'm sure it will happen) because I no longer have the specific video that caused the problem.

By the way, thanks for doing a public beta test like this. I think you'll find and fix many more bugs by doing public betas in the future. By the way, I'm a QA Lead for the company Zango.com.

[amano]

I was just playing with will's new transoder plugin ( http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~wdhf2/transcoder/ ) and had to think over winamp's encoding options again.

The current solution with all the MP4 and aac encoders listed side by side is really confusing (with 3 different choices for each file extension). Above all since there are next to no technical reasons to use the raw aac format (perhaps even with tagging on it, which cannot be safe to be/stay compatible with anything) when already the iPod set the standard with the MP4 container. I think it would be sufficient and a lot clearer just to have a checkbox '[ ] save as a raw AAC stream' within the 3 MP4/aac choices.

and menno is right: It should always default to the compatible mode.

Just my 2 cents before going to bed. n8. ;)

[osmosis]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Hmm... that could be by design.
What if you've got Winamp set to show in the systray only?
If the icon were to disappear then you've got no way of restoring Winamp
(other than killing the process in Task Mgr and editing winamp.ini).

i do have mine set to show in systray only, and i understand that losing it would be an issue, but if that were the case then it shouldn't actually let you change the option, which it does, meaning the aformentioned workaround to get it showing again would still have to be used if the person unchecked it and then closed winamp from the tray.

[Melkor]

I'm having problems with the media library.
I'm having entries that don't want to delete and don't want to recognize (possible media library corruption).
I suspect it is related to "Playlist Count Set v0.2" while the older version of winamp didn't have a problem with this plugin i think there is some incompatability issue. I beleive every file that i have changed the playlist count, is now not properly being recognized on play.

What happens when i go to play the file, it creates a new entry in the media library for it (as i have auto add turned on) if there isn't an already undoctored entry.

[Pawel]

Hi

I have got some questions about language support in Winamp.

First of all, why Winamp Installer have other languages (like Polish for example)only in Beta releases of Winamp?
I did Polish text for installer, for Benski.
Now, as you know, there are 4 languages available: english, french, polish and russian (but only in beta!).

It would be great that Installer in Official release (5.25?) have possibility to change language.


To Benski
I did this translated text for installer to v5.1 (as I remember).
Now, there ara some new options, that are not translated.
So, here it is, in Polish. Please, add this to installer translation.

English
Installer will check your Winamp component settings and download Microsoft Windows Media Codecs, if neccessar,
Polish
Instalator sprawdzi ustawienia składników Winampa i jeśli będzie to wymagane pobierze kodeki Microsoft Windows Media.

English
(more info)
Polish
(więcej info)

English
Installer will copy known plugin settings. However you can have third party plugins with unknown settings installed. In this case you need to contact plugin developer or move them by yourself.
Polish
Instalator skopiuje ustawienia znanych wtyczek. Możesz mieć jednak zainstalowane inne wtyczki, z nieznanymi ustawieniami. W takim przypadku musisz skontaktować się z twórcą wtyczki lub przenieść te ustawienia sam.

English
- iPod support
- Creative labs Support
- Microsoft Plays for Sure support
- USB devices support
Polish
- odtwarzacze iPod
- odtwarzacze Creative labs
- odtwarzacze Microsoft Plays for Sure
- wsparcie urządzeń USB

Thats all. Thanks
Pawel

Winamp rules!

[Serpher]

I have a problem with sound in all builds except 787.
I'm hearing litte noises in newsest builds. I don't now why that happens. From build to build is getting wrose :( The noises getting stronger. In b787 noises are very very silent.
Maybe is a problem with 24bit support... or other Playback Preferences? I don't now but it's seriously problem.

[DJ Egg]

and is this just with mp3 files, or all formats?
and if just mp3 does it still persist after replacing in_mp3 with this newer version?

[Serpher]

and is this just with mp3 files, or all formats?

with 'some' mp3 files (i have only mp3 files) for ex. ATB - Let U Go (2005) (192kbit, 44100Hz, Stereo) or 4 Strings - Fly Away (this same configuration) and those mp3s have this information "Encoder Delay: 576, Zero Padding: 1440(4 Strings)/1668 (ATB)" maybe it's that compression of these mp3s? i don't now

PS. Why this newer version of in_mp3 is in .exe file?? why not in .dll? and this have the same size that original file in Plugins folder. There any change log? I've replaced and this same happening.

[Koopa]

PS. Why this newer version of in_mp3 is in .exe file??
What are you talking about? The linked file is a .dll file. Benski made some changes, amano and soljarag confirmed, that it now works.

[DJ Egg]

The newer version of in_mp3 is a dll, not an exe

http://stashbox.org/uploads/1155684057/in_mp3.dll

If it's downloading as an .exe, then manually change the extension to .dll
ie. this new in_mp3.dll is supposed to overwrite the current/old version in the Winamp\Plugins folder.

[Serpher]

seriously, i've clicked > new page > save file > (i'm using Opera) save in_mp3.exe
??
but if i click command "Quick Save" it's all fine...

PS. what are changes in this new file??

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
@ all audigy 2 zs users

Just found a better 'fix' for the cmss2/24bit problem
(where effects alternate on/off on seek etc)

Disable 'fade on seek' in out_ds config > fading :-) [/B]

HUH? Any reason why that works? Just a lucky coincidence? I'm trying it right now...

Too bad seeking sounds like crap now ;-)... But at least now I can enable a totally useless placebo! :-)

[Serpher]

noises are still in winamp :( new in_mp3.dll doesn;t help
the best ex. of noises is this file: Carlo Resoort - Remover (Club Mix) check this out:
Header found at: 280 bytes
Length: 407 seconds
MPEG-1 layer 3
192kbit, approx. 15601 frames
44100Hz Stereo
CRCs: Yes, Copyrighted: Yes
Original: Yes, Emphasis: None

this file have this same conf. that previous files (192kbit, 44.1, Stereo; except Encoder Delay, Zero Padding)
maybe it is tha compression??

[Serpher]

one more thing
i don't now is that bug, but last four peaks in Spectrum analyzer doesn't move... and this happen in most of mp3s...
it is have a connection with this new in_mp3.dll?
Spectrum screen (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spectrummn9.jpg)

[stephan_g]

Hmm... could it be the new in_mp3.dll always outputs in 24 bit regardless of the setting? I have another comp with a 16-bit-only card (ESS Maestro2E driver --> Terratec DMX) and Win2k, and together with Otachan's ASIO output plugin MP3s just will not play via in_mp3 (it works via waveOut, where I guess the last bits just get thrown away in the kernel mixer). However, on my main comp and a 24-bit capable card (Audiotrak Prodigy 7.1 driver) the same combo works just fine.

I think I've also noticed some remaining crackling... that was a file encoded with LAME 3.97b2 and -V 0 -q 0 --vbr-new. What is that caused by anyway? Clipping? My radio recordings do tend to be fairly loud, with peaks up to -2dBFS in the original WAVs.

The spectrum analyzer (classic skin) is quite unexciting now indeed - maybe throw some logarithm onto it.

BTW, I find it excellent that many old issues (like 24 bit MP3 playback - I've used Otachan's mpg123 plugin, but as a standard feature it's nice to see anyway - and Unicode support) have finally been addressed. (One may want to include a note that it's not useful to enable both 24 bit output and dithering at the same time.) Luckily 5.25b no longer closes upon entering standby or hibernation, which 5.24 (annoyingly) did.

[amano]

@Melkor, Serpher and stephan_g: Remember that third party plugins are not supported here. Only report bugs that happen with a clean install without ANY third party plugins installed.


@Serpher, make sure that you disable 24 bit support since many cards and drivers have problems with it.
For the spectrum analyzer: the strong lowpass of the mp3 format is probably to blame for the bands not moving. Eg. ogg vorbis doesn't have such a strong lowpass. I think the bands reach up to 20KHz? But I agree with you and stephan_g that it has already been more exciting ;) On the other hand I prefer things done the correct way... (so no bug).
And maybe tell us what you did with your .exe/.dll file? Did you rename it? Copy it to the right location? Because the clips do not occur with any file on my computer with the new dll now.

@stephan_g: Everything works fine with the new in_mp3.dll which benski postet above and my 16-bit only soundcard. Please don't use ANY other output plugin than the default ones before reporting bugs. :mad: And if you don't know if an artifact could be caused by clipping than make sure that it isn't clipping before reporting it. Just use the no_clip setting of mp3gain on the file and try it again. And did you use benski's updated in_mp3.dll that he linked above?

@bemymonkey: :D Just for the warm fuzzy feeling :cool: But it makes sense for music production processes. You work with the high bitrate material, can now listen to it with winamp, mix it and then you can convert it to 16bit to finalize it (and without losing any perceptible quality).

[Serpher]

@amano
1. I have SB Audigy SE with 24bit/96kHz support.
2. (...)disable 24 bit support" nothigs change (still noises)
3. On my playlist are only mp3s with (standard) compression ex. 128/196kbit, 44.1 kHz, Stereo/Joint Stereo; and this problem was not in prev. builds with spectrum analyzer
4. I renamed in_mp3.exe to in_mp3.dll and copyed to Winamp\Plugins and of course doesn't helped.

PS. I'm don't using third party plugins.

[amano]

Hmm. It might also be clipping. Is your music replaygained or mp3gained? Does it work with an alternative program?

Are all your files affected, or is that a very rare case?

Since there is no standard compression for MP3s (numerours encoders, lame versions and possible parameters) and we cannot reproduce the problem with ours, a developer might have a look at one specific file. Either cut out 5 seconds which clip with mp3DirectCut, zip the result and attach it here, or send a PM to benski and ask for a mail adress where you can send the file.

[Serpher]

maybe it's fault of these mp3 files... oh well let just forget about it; it's doesn't make sens... I'll back to b787

[amano]

When it works well with the WMP or MPC, it will be the fault of Winamp. If the same things happen with other players as well, these files are probably broken. Hard to tell from the distance ;) If switching back helps, it is certainly a fault of the new winamp beta.

[DJ Egg]

We'll know if and when we get a sample file, heh.

[ujay]

What's the latest on the Station Info window then, any chance it can be switched off on exit with this build? (si_open=0 in winamp.ini). It's the last of the really amateurish looking display issues.

And from the 'Never satisfied' dept. Good to see the hole in the playlist has been fixed at last, but can playlists/bookmarks be made to use the stream title(rather than the song title) when saved :)

UJ

[papadoc]

Originally posted by ujay
but can playlists/bookmarks be made to use the stream title(rather than the song title) when saved :)

UJ
Great suggestion, ujay :):up:

[Kanpai]

My advanced title formatting is set up to display the tracknumber, but only if it exists, as in [%tracknumber%]. However, on tracks that don't have a tracknumber, i get -1 instead of a blank space. I'm almost positive this behavior didn't exist in 5.24.

[pjn123]

<Wasabi:VSlider still broken. This vertical slider isn't used that much but still.

To see what I mean install the skin attached and look how the current VSlider look then replace the...

Winamp\Plugins\freeform\xml\wasabi\xml\xui\slider\slider.xml

...with the other slider.xml(fixed) attached and refesh.

PS: For more maki related bugs please check BugAmp (http://forums.winamp.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=1992863)... This is a skin with a few of the current bugs.

All of this testing was done on a clean install.

[NiceguyRK]

Edit: Crap, still don't work, the playlist can't save playlist with other then system local characters, only seems to be capable of openning the files and show thier id3, well, another 3 years to next post or until unicode will be available and winamp will be of anygood to me...

RE: I have been waiting for proper unicode support since V2, RE: Finally Its here !!!

[NiceguyRK]

I am unsure of what is supposed to be supported in 825 but I will report this:

I am running windows xp sp2 fully updated with english as my default input language and hebrew as a secondery, for clarification my systems menues are in english and my "language for non unicode programs" is hebrew, the problem is that i can add files with characters from other languages (french\russion\greek - macrons above the letters) but when i save the playlist and the reopen the files, I am unable to play the files with the odd chars - the enteries register unfound/missing.

This now can be seen easily with Options --> Jump to File --> Missing Files --> Highlight.

I have been waiting three years for a solution for this design flaw, and it seems i'll need to wait another three... :-(

P.S: For referance this are my changes from the default:

1. Title: [%artist% - ][%album% - ][%tracknumber% - ]$if2(%title%,$filepart(%filename%))

2. Modern Skins -> Font Rendering -> Font Mapper -> Allow use of Bitmap... = No

3. Jump to File --> Missing Files --> Highlight.

This allow me atleast to see the id3 of hebrew files and in the playlist...

[DJ Egg]

"but when i save the playlist and the reopen the files"

Make sure you save them to .m3u8, not .m3u or .pls
(Pledit > List > Save > select .m3u8 (unicode playlist) from the drop-down menu)

If you were referring to saving to a stored ML playlist, then unicode support for the ml is still to be implemented, as explained in the Notes in the first post in this thread.

[Benski]

Originally posted by Serpher
with 'some' mp3 files (i have only mp3 files) for ex. ATB - Let U Go (2005) (192kbit, 44100Hz, Stereo) or 4 Strings - Fly Away (this same configuration) and those mp3s have this information "Encoder Delay: 576, Zero Padding: 1440(4 Strings)/1668 (ATB)" maybe it's that compression of these mp3s? i don't now

PS. Why this newer version of in_mp3 is in .exe file?? why not in .dll? and this have the same size that original file in Plugins folder. There any change log? I've replaced and this same happening.

Can you provide me with a file that exhibits these problems?

[Benski]

Originally posted by PepeSoft
First of all, why Winamp Installer have other languages (like Polish for example)only in Beta releases of Winamp?

It would be great that Installer in Official release (5.25?) have possibility to change language.

The main thinking in keeping the translations out of the final release, is that it would potentially cause confusion to users to have the installer in their native language, but Winamp still in English :)

[amano]

If benski is still looking for bugs and cannot find any more, here are 2 suggestions for 2 in_midi tweaks.

- remove the mode DirectMusic/Microsoft synthesizer
because there are some nasty seek bugs in its default setup

+ make "DirectMusic/Microsoft synthesizer (with output)" the standard MIDI mode. It is basically the same as above, but doesn't suffer from the search bugs. In contrary to the Microsoft mapper (the standard now) it lets you use the diskwriter, has better sound, doesn't fiddle with your souncards MIDI volume settings and seems to work well even with the out_wave plugin (at least for me in XP). And the best argument for making it the default: it is recommended here on the forums.

- amano
(president of the
benski fan club)

[NiceguyRK]

M3U8 ? Works Great !
Thankes DJ Egg !!!

I hope XMMS will support this too so i'll be able to share my playlisy with my linux installment :-).

P.S: when you devs feal comfortable with the extention\Unicode pls consider seting it to default so when someone List -> Save Playlist, he will save M3U8 by default instead of just M3U (so when folks upload their playlists other folks will be able to read them)

[fazer0815]

It seem that the CUE-Player plugin (http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=143011) does´nt work in this beta version, all virtual files are shown at playlist but can´t played. In former Winamp versions all works fine.

[DrO]

it's down to the author to fix compatability issues with newer versions of winamp and in all honesty, that plugin is hacky in it's manner so it's not a surprise that things have been broken by the changes allowing 5.25 to support unicode on all OSes

-daz

[Bubba Smith]

Yep. It's entirely up to the author(s) of 3rd-party plugins and/or skins to take care of probs. But... out of curiosity, is anybody else experiencing this completely borked and unusable Media Library with 5.25 beta and the MMD3-4-5 v1.2 (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1920354#post1920354) skin? ...

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3955/mlmmd345v12rq5.png

Problem just exists with that skin, btw, and with absolutely no others. Is it just me or is anyone else having that problem, and does eye_onus have to be contacted?

Can someone else check and download/install the skin and try it with 5.25 beta?

[amano]

bubba, see this thread: http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=181632&perpage=40&pagenumber=4

I and JonnyMac had the problem with the PL not coming up. But the ML displayed just fine.

And the horizontal winshade mode hides without pressing the button. All in all it is completely borked now. If you can, please contact him.

[Winner2]

For what it's worth, I've been using the original MMD3 skin with Winamp 5 all along, without any major problems (not even with 5.25 beta, build 825). I realize some new features and bug fixes are the goal of the revised skin, but for most of the listening and uses that I employ Winamp, it's been no problem whatever. In fact, for me the revised MMD3 skin actually exhibits some of the same problems it was intended to fix.

[BugMaster]

I have the bug discussed here (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=239886) with clean install of Winamp 5.25 Beta build 825 (no third party plugins). Can anybody also confirme this?

Actions:
1) Select Winamp Classic skin
2) make playlist containing only stream stations (for example: di.fm streams (http://forums.winamp.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=1996378)).
3) Shuffle - off; Repeat - on
4) Start first stream in playlist
5) Windowshade mode of Playlist window
6) Left click on small playlist window (for it selection as active window)
7) Spin mouse wheel down

Result: Winamp freeze forever (until you close it).

[amano]

Hmm. Nope. It works for me. But I had only 10 to 15 streams in the playlist. Spinning the wheel makes it switch to other streams.

Maybe adding quite a lot of streams would make the difference?

On the other hand: The whole "procedure" doesn't seem to be a wise idea. The great winamp stresstest :D

But maybe it is related to the internet connection? Here is a quite fast adsl.

[BugMaster]

amano:
The number of streams in playlist doesn't matter. I have such bug with only 1 stream and REPEAT - ON.

P.S. I also have ADSL (256/256) so I don't think this is the problem.

PP.S. I am talking about very quick spin of mouse wheel (not small that change only 1 stream)

[Benski]

Originally posted by BugMaster
amano:
The number of streams in playlist doesn't matter. I have such bug with only 1 stream and REPEAT - ON.

P.S. I also have ADSL (256/256) so I don't think this is the problem.

PP.S. I am talking about very quick spin of mouse wheel (not small that change only 1 stream)

what kind of streams? MP3? WMA?

[Winner2]

BugMaster, I have a Logitech ball mouse and have tried the "procedure" also with the provided playlist, but not with a clean install. No problems seen with 5.25 Beta build 825. I have a high speed 5Mbps cable connection and can't reproduce the trouble either. I have a hunch it might have something to do with streaming buffer settings for in_mp3.dll. Lowering the prebuffer size might help.

[BugMaster]

AAC, MP3. No problems with WMA (It think for about 10 seconds and then all OK).

Winner2:
I try to set both prebuffer to 0% but this doesn't help

[bemymonkey]

Hmmm, I just download Build 5.25 and it's refusing to play any MP3s... The file associations have been reset to Windows Media Player for some reason.

Opening an album from the media library results in Winamp doing nothing (the new playlist loads, but Winamp never starts to play). Pressing Play doesn't do anything either (other than cycle to the next song, as if it couldn't find the one it's trying to play).

Enqueuing/Playing from Windows Explorer doesn't work either... the files are still working fine in WiMP...

I didn't change ANYTHING from 812 to 825... Any idea what's going on/repro?

And crap, I can't find my Build 812 install file... Someone still have a link so I can revert?


-edit- The songs play fine if I double-click on the media view in the library. But if I click on the media view and then double-click on an artist or album or single song, nothing. WTF?

[Bubba Smith]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
And crap, I can't find my Build 812 install file... Someone still have a link so I can revert?http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0812_beta_full.exe

[Koopa]

Enqueuing/Playing from Windows Explorer doesn't work either...
Works fine here.
The file associations have been reset to Windows Media Player for some reason.
Cannot reproduce, just reassociate them via Winamp's preferences again.
Opening an album from the media library results in Winamp doing nothing (the new playlist loads, but Winamp never starts to play)
Cannot reproduce, maybe the entries in your playlists are wrong?

I didn't change ANYTHING from 812 to 825... Any idea what's going on/repro?
You should try a clean install.

[bemymonkey]

Thanks... I've tried a clean install... didn't help. Completely nuked my ML and rebuilt... still funky. This is weird...

Okay, I just reinstalled 5.24 over the top of the non-working 5.25 825 build. Then I reinstalled 825 over the top of that and now it's working... WTF?

[Benski]

Build 834

Winamp 5.25 Beta Full (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0834_beta_full.exe)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Pro (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0834_beta_pro.exe) (asks for key during install)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Standard (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0834_beta_std.exe) (same as Full but no ML or viz)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Lite (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0834_beta_lite.exe)

* Fixed: [in_mp4] detection of HE AAC in file info box (Alt+3)
* Fixed: [enc_aacplus] more compatible HE AAC MP4 file creation
* New: "Close Winamp" option after installation (after clicking 'Send')

5.25 beta specific bug fixes:
* Fixed: [in_mp3] decoding glitch
* Fixed: installer typo fix (necessary = neccessary)
* Fixed: [in_mp4] burning with 24bit output enabled

[SadEye]

Winamp 5.25 Beta 4 ≈ final :D

[osmosis]

please fix my installer problem:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4746/installeror2.png

It's forcing me to install ml_pmp for no reason. If I disable literally anything else in the install it doesn't do it, but I want everything else I've got checked and I shouldn't have to do that.

Here's my install.ini so maybe you can see what I mean.

Also, using the new Close Winamp option in the install (nice!) leaves (i think) a 3.45mb "mp48.tmp" file in my Winamp dir. Safe to delete? Because I did and all seems well :D

[DrO]

the ml_pmp issue is known (i've been pestering over that for a good month and a half now - well it seems like it). benski knew what the issue was, just hasn't gotten around it i think, heh. if you select the custom install type and then go back to previous then it'll update things correctly (doesn't read the setting in correctly on display of the page from what was said)

-daz

[YtseJam]

The new Close Winamp button in the installer (thanks, BTW ;)) is missing some padding. See screenshot (http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4787/missingpaddingqv1.jpg).
Compare the two buttons...

Another bit regarding the installer:
Would it be wise to add to the ML section the option to choose which ML components to extract?

For instance, I use only ml_local (and gen_ml, of course) and I find myself removing all other components manually after each install (well, I do that with a few other dlls from that folder but that's beside the point*)...

--
* those "other files" are: out_wave, lame_enc and enc_lame.
It would be nice to not have to do this after each install.

Yeah, I'm like that. :)

Basicly, it'd be nice if the installer would only update what I already have unless specified otherwise by me in the installer. Maybe something like a check box -- "Only update current Winamp configuration.", this will scan my Winamp folder and replace only the files that were found...

:D :weird: :igor: :blah:

[fisher819]

New: "Close Winamp" option after installation (after clicking 'Send')

finally. been waiting for this button for years. 10x.

keep up the good work.

[wa21guy]

Originally posted by wa21guy
Just got a crash...

Winamp client version: 5.25 build 801 Beta Winamp caused an Integer Divide by Zero (0xc0000094) in module xvidcore.dll at 001b:057d54a2.

Exception handler called in Winamp.

Is this fixed with build 834?

[DrO]

that's for you to try out, there were some video related issues (i think due to the tag reading or something like that) in beta2 but yeah, is something you'd need to test on your machine to see if things are/aren't fixed

-daz

[Benski]

Originally posted by wa21guy
Is this fixed with build 834?

xvidcore.dll isn't a library that we ship. I've seen a number of crash reports come in from this library, and it doesn't seem to be Winamp's fault that it's crashing.

[DJ Egg]

I already told you that XviD's DirectShow Filter implementation is very poor. The system codec may be ok, but the DS Filter isn't. We definitely recommend ffdshow instead.

[K3MIST]

hey benski is 24 megs a normal amount of memory winamp should be using when playing? i think its a bit high; ive even done a fresh install to see if there was a problem and its still going on.. its been going down since the 801 beta. i just wanna find out if this is normal usage :igor:

here's a screenshot: http://kemist.ic3d.net/winamp.gif

ps: im just playing a regular mp3 encoded at 192kbps(lame 3.90) and no 3rd party plugs installed.

[Benski]

Originally posted by K3MIST
hey benski is 24 megs a normal amount of memory winamp should be using when playing? i think its a bit high; ive even done a fresh install to see if there was a problem and its still going on.. its been going down since the 801 beta. i just wanna find out if this is normal usage :igor:

ps: im just playing a regular mp3 encoded at 192kbps(lame 3.90) and no 3rd party plugs installed.

Are you using the modern skinning engine? that adds quite a bit of memory usage.

Also, if you don't use Winamp to burn CDs, you can delete primosdk.dll from the Winamp folder - that'll cut down memory usage significantly.

but judging by your Commit Charge numbers, you probably have 2 gigs of RAM, I don't think 24megs of usage is going to hurt your performance :)

[alex_gamer]

Two things,

one: when i send files to the burner and switch to it, the bottem line' text is the same color as the background and remains like that until i either scroll that line off the screen or highlight it.

and two: when i open winamp, the playist in the editor is shifted up by 8 lines.

i'll attach a screen shot showing what wrong.

[wa21guy]

Originally posted by Benski
xvidcore.dll isn't a library that we ship. I've seen a number of crash reports come in from this library, and it doesn't seem to be Winamp's fault that it's crashing.

Ok thanks. Great job so far guys. How many more preview builds can we expect before the final?

[K3MIST]

nope im using the classic skin.. and the 24megs isnt bugging me at all i just wanted to know if this was normal usage thats all :D

[DrO]

other factors like the size of your current playlist, media library, etc will affect things (i can push things to ~11Mb with a cleared playlist/media library) whereas it goes upto ~24Mb with my full playlist and media library filled (with the files of that playlist) so really 24Mb isn't that much i think either :)

-daz

[kearnemj]

ok if 24 megs is about normal what about 33? i am using the resurgence skin with no plugins. latest build. at one point the cpu usage spiked to 97-100% but then dropped so i guess thats not unusual?

ps thats the tidiest process list ive ever seen

[YtseJam]

A list of the plug-ins you are using is a start for debugging the cause.

[kearnemj]

i said no plugins. do you want me to list the ones that come with winamp?

[DJ Egg]

We're only concerned with the Winamp Classic & Winamp Modern skins here, not 3rd-party skins. Contact the 3rd-party skin author if you're having cpu-usage problems with a particular modern skin (though increasing Timers Resolution value and disabling things like alpha-blending in Prefs > Modern Skins might help).

Anything between 12 to 40mb mem usage is probably about normal, depending on the skin you're using, which of the default plugins/features are present (including sonic burning engine), how many entries are in the playlist, whether the vis/eq are enabled, which component windows are open, what file format you're playing, etc etc.

If you're really bothered about such a measly amount of mem usage in this day and age, then minimize winamp to the taskbar/systray, and you should see mem usage go down to about 3mb or less.

[spacemarine]

I just installed Beta 834 (The first 5.25 Beta I installed),
and the "Remaining Time" display of VBR MP3s (Lame encoded)
seems very inaccurate and "jumpy" (i.e. sometimes it jumps by 4 seconds at once
(or even a minute or two), or it jumps backwards by a second, etc.).

This happens with EVERY VBR MP3 I throw at it
(Note that the VBR headers are OK, i.e. the files are NOT f**** up).
The displaying of the remaining time worked perfectly with v5.24
(as it did ever before).

Also, the displayed Bitrate always seems to be the "average bitrate" but the Checkbox "show average bitrate on VBR files" in the decoder properties is OFF (!). Whether I check it or not, it makes no difference, the bitrate displayed seems to be the average bitrate :(

Quite a serious showstopper :(

Cheers!
Spacemarine

PS: I can't believe no one noticed this (I searched this thread for VBR issues).
Maybe a new bug with Build 834 ?
(I can't tell because Build 834 is the first one I tried as i said in the beginning;))

[kearnemj]

oh sorry i thoguht was reporting a bug.

[Benski]

Originally posted by spacemarine
PS: I can't believe no one noticed this (I searched this thread for VBR issues).
Maybe a new bug with Build 834 ?
(I can't tell because Build 834 is the first one I tried as i said in the beginning;))

Yah, it's new to 834. Thanks for the heads up.

[spacemarine]

@Benski

Thx for confirming this.
Would have been a horrible new "feature" ;)

[Bubba Smith]

Originally posted by Benski
Yah, it's new to 834. Thanks for the heads up. Cool. :cool: It looks like we'll have a new beta build. I love all these builds! Lots of fun testing and all. Keep 'em coming! :D :up:

[wa21guy]

Possible bug:

I have an earlier build of Winamp 5 (such as 825) and I uncheck "Show in SysTray" for the Winamp Agent. Then when I install a new build on top of what I have (not uninstalling the old build), the settings for the Winamp Agent systray icon get deleted. With EVERY new build I install I have to go back into the prefrences and uncheck "Show in SysTray".

Thanks - Ethan

[STanger]

isn't b834 supposed to have the backwards compatible/accurate information settings in cd ripping prefs? if it's supposed to be there I'm not seeing it, unless that's what the mpeg-2 and mpeg-4 options are there for. If that's the case which one is which? I think the dropdown like it was previously was a lot easier to understand for obvious reasons.

[kingofchaos6669]

Does anyone run into this error when trying to start Winamp sometimes...

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4301/winamptx0.jpg

I've experienced it with every beta build so far, even when doing clean installs (using the Full version installers).

[DJ Egg]

@wa21guy
Sorry, but we can't reproduce that. Show in Taskbar is the default setting, so I'm not sure how Show in Systray can be getting auto enabled. Sure beats me anyway.

@STanger
Re: MP4/HE-AAC Encoder
'Backwards compatible' is now the hard-coded default.
The 'Accurate Information' option no longer exists.
This means that he-aac files will now be compatible with all other players which support aac.
Not happy about this decision? Go moan at menno and the other people at ha (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=46898&view=findpost&p=417329) ;-) (j/k)

@kingofchaos6669
Do you maybe have a CardReader installed?
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=248461
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=252978

@Bubba Smith
Oh you can count on it. There's still a few surprises to come yet ;-)

[Koopa]

There's still a few surprises to come yet ;-)
It seems that someone has updated the Wishlist to early, I saw interesting stuff in the wishlist under in_mp3. ;)

[Koopa]

Benski, why does Winamp now create 2 playlist files (winamp.m3u8 and winamp.m3u). Since Winamp finally has support for Unicode, winamp.m3u isn't needed anymore, or am i wrong?

[DrO]

you can blame me for that since it was going to be removed but i said there's a load of plugins which still rely on winamp.m3u for its features, etc eg gen_undo heavily relies on it until i add in version checks to use winamp.m3u8 over winamp.m3u. so it may seem like duplicating things up but otherwise 5.25 would break even more plugins (as we've already seen it's done in it's current state :) )

-daz

[Cianca]

Replay Gain / Auto Normalization built in Implemented for 5.25


more info?

[kingofchaos6669]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
@kingofchaos6669
Do you maybe have a CardReader installed?
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=248461
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=252978
Yep, I do have a built-in card reader installed. Thanks!

[Benski]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
Benski, why does Winamp now create 2 playlist files (winamp.m3u8 and winamp.m3u). Since Winamp finally has support for Unicode, winamp.m3u isn't needed anymore, or am i wrong?

Because some plugins and third party applications assume the presence of Winamp.m3u.

EDIT: Hi DrO :cool:

[Benski]

Originally posted by Cianca
more info?

It's not in build 834 :)

[Koopa]

Originally posted by DrO
you can blame me for that since it was going to be removed but i said there's a load of plugins which still rely on winamp.m3u for its features, etc eg gen_undo heavily relies on it until i add in version checks to use winamp.m3u8 over winamp.m3u. so it may seem like duplicating things up but otherwise 5.25 would break even more plugins (as we've already seen it's done in it's current state :) )

-daz
Thanks for the explanation guys. :)
It's not in build 834
Then it's time for a new build, isn't it? :p

[basteagow]

I'm happy that support for Unicode has finally been added. However, I have found one place where it still appears to be unimplemented: streaming Ogg Vorbis metadata when (and only when) displayed on the playlist. The Unicode metadata displays fine in the "Ogg Vorbis info" window for the stream.

I have an Icecast server streaming songs with Unicode characters in the Title and/or Artist tags. When I play the stream on Winamp, the metadata displayed on the playlist has question marks (?) where the Unicode characters should be. However, if I press Alt+3 on the playlist entry to see the metadata for the stream in the "Ogg Vorbis info" window, the Unicode characters in the Title and Artist fields are displayed correctly.

Here's a live stream you can use to reproduce this:

http://216.32.67.10:36800/test.ogg

I assume this should be easy to fix, since the Unicode metadata is being decoded properly at some point--otherwise, it wouldn't even display correctly in the "Ogg Vorbis info" window.

For what it's worth, foobar2000 does not have this problem. And of course, this issue does not occur in Winamp when the Ogg files are played locally.

Should I open a separate bug report thread for this?

Thanks!

[DJ Egg]

No need to make a new thread. All (first-party) 5.25 beta issues should be reported in this thread only. Will be fixed for the next build / final. Thanks.

[basteagow]

Thanks a lot; I'm eager to see this fixed. :D

BTW, while you guys are at it, how hard would it be to implement support for Unicode in streaming MP3 metadata as well? I know that (unlike Ogg Vorbis, which uses UTF-8) there's no standard that defines which encoding MP3 metadata should be in, and I guess that's why Winamp doesn't attempt to decode any UTF-8-encoded characters in streaming MP3 metadata. Would it be possible to somehow detect whether the metadata is in ISO-8859-1 or UTF-8 and decode it accordingly? Or maybe a new setting for forcing UTF-8 decoding?

Consider this MP3 stream, for example:

http://216.32.67.10:36800/test.mp3

If you take the garbage in the metadata and decode it as UTF-8, the correct characters show up, so it's just a matter of what encoding you assume the metadata is in.

Anyway, having the bug I reported in my previous post fixed would be good enough for me, but for compatibility reasons it would be nice to be able to broadcast in MP3 format sometimes.

Keep up the good work. :up:

[songochain]

Still no cue player support???

[Bubba Smith]

Originally posted by songochain
Still no cue player support??? Oh jeez. Here's another first-time poster who hasn't bothered to search (http://forums.winamp.com/search.php) the forums first for his answer, and then posts his 'request' erroneously in the beta thread.

Anyway...Originally posted by DrO
cue support is on the wishlist and has been talked about being implemented natively at some stage but there are other areas which require more of the restricted development time that the team can do. one day it may happen but that's about it really since for some it is an important feature but on the whole it's not something for everyone and that has to be taken into account when implementing such features (or whatever the men in suits want, heh)

-daz

[Melkor]

I've been scratching my head about this one for a good long while now. In a previous post I reported a problem where files wouldn't properly be recognized during playback, and with "add playing files to ml" turned on, it would generate a new entry for the item in the ml. I cannot seem to replicate this by rebuilding my library from scratch (I copied over my library from the previous build; which i have been doing from version to version). The trouble is, it would only happen on a few select files. I took the attitude it was something wrong with my ML; possibly something corrupt in the files that define the ML. So I went about reverse engineering the file format.

First thought was that it was caused by memory fragmentation. So I wrote an app to defragment the ML table and rebuild the index to reflect the changed addresses. The bug did not go away. Also I built in error checking so it would validate the different feilds. Checked the crosslinking in the index. Validated memory addresses. Even stripped those TUID2 feilds that cause winamp to crash when third party ML plugins try to update the attributes (TUID2 is generated and attached when the 'Display "Show Info" in media and album views' is enabled and info is displayed).

In the end I was unable to find any corruption what so ever in my ML that could explain why it was failing. It seemed totaly random, one thought was that attribute order effected things, but i have plenty of other files that were uneffected with the same attribute orders; though attribute order maybe a contributing factor.

I have also discovered it is more then just playing of the files that is effected, everything involving them is effected. The attributes in the ML cannot be updated at all. They cannot be delete; pressing the "Delete" key on the keyboard or selecting "Remove from library" from the menu does not raise a dialog box. If multi-selection delete is used, after the delete is completed it remains.

It is my conclusion that the internal search function is criticaly flawed. A good way of track down this bug would be to see what can cause raising the delete dialog box to fail. If any Winamp dev would like my media library please PM me.

I have run my tests with two computers, one running XP with all the latest patches, the other running Win98SE. Both computers showed the same results.
Plugins have no effect, the only media library plugin you need to illustrate this is ml_local.dll

[shon3i]

Is there new enc_aac encoder or it's same from 5.24, but only without accuratie information(backward non compatible), or?

[Benski]

Originally posted by shon3i
Is there new enc_aac encoder or it's same from 5.24, but only without accuratie information(backward non compatible), or?

It is the same AAC encoder as in 5.24. It is only the MP4 container code that has been changed.

[Tanookirby]

I would like to say a few things about the problem I posted previously in this thread. First, the problem I have does not involve a third party plugin. The same problem arise for files like MP3's when they are so short that the time is 0:00. Second, I remember doing a clean install of winamp to try to solve my problem.

I've included a picture of what usually happens. The problem area is circled in red.

[shon3i]

It is the same AAC encoder as in 5.24. It is only the MP4 container code that has been changed.

Ok Benski, thanks for info

Can you check this i found big horrible bug in decoding HE-AAC (probably and LC-AAC) files with mp4 container

here is sample (http://www.mytempdir.com/874411), cutted form Black Eyed Peas - Pump it up duration 30 seconds

Playing is horrible and sounds like fast forward

[Benski]

Originally posted by shon3i
Ok Benski, thanks for info

Can you check this i found big horrible bug in decoding HE-AAC (probably and LC-AAC) files with mp4 container

here is sample (http://www.mytempdir.com/874411), cutted form Black Eyed Peas - Pump it up duration 30 seconds

Playing is horrible and sounds like fast forward

What did you use to encode this file?

The file is messed up. It's specifying each MP4 frame's duration as being 1024, when it's actually 2048. This causes Winamp to only play back half of each frame. I've fixed for now (by only checking the duration on the last frame of the file), but you need to report the bug back to the author of the tool you used to encode this file.

[shon3i]

File is encoded to aac via winamp, but is muxed to mp4 via mp4box, i don't think that is mp4box bug because earlier versions of winamp (5.2-5.24) plays this file fine

[Benski]

Originally posted by shon3i
File is encoded to aac via winamp, but is muxed to mp4 via mp4box, i don't think that is mp4box bug because earlier versions of winamp (5.2-5.24) plays this file fine

It worked in prior versions because they were never checking the durations, but it seems to be an mp4box bug (the problem is in the MP4 container, not in the AAC data). Anyway, I've worked around the problem and you should be able to play it OK in the next build.

[shon3i]

Originally posted by Benski
It worked in prior versions because they were never checking the durations, but it seems to be an mp4box bug (the problem is in the MP4 container, not in the AAC data). Anyway, I've worked around the problem and you should be able to play it OK in the next build. Ok thank you, i am now go to report mp4box devs.

[Crackerwithagun]

Dont know if this has been posted yet but i have mp3s and AAC
i have a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS and Logitech Z-5300 5.1 speakers. In winamp with 24 bit enabled when playing a file if i skip ahead or play one song then another my sound will change from 2.1 to 5.1 and vice versa. I really like the 24 bit sound tho.

[amano]

Known Issues (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251985#known)

Audigy 2 ZS EAX effects alternating on & off in 24bit mode
(note, this is a hardware limitation, not a winamp bug/issue)
Solution: disable 'fade on seek' in out_ds config > fading.

[Cianca]

maybe a stupid question (:p) what advantage there are to pass from 16bit to the new 24bit mode?


thanx :)

[spacemarine]

Originally posted by Cianca
maybe a stupid question (:p) what advantage there are to pass from 16bit to the new 24bit mode?


I guess when it comes to audible / perceptual differences,
not much more than a placebo effect. But that placebo might
just be what causes that "warm fuzzy feeling" for you
(i.e. it leads you to "think" that it sounds better).

Correct me please if I'm wrong, though - I'm (also) interested
in technical, well founded arguments why 24 bit playback
should sound better than "old-school" 16-bit when it comes to mp3s.

Cheers,
Spacemarine

[Benski]

Originally posted by Cianca
maybe a stupid question (:p) what advantage there are to pass from 16bit to the new 24bit mode?

It's quite unlikely that you'll hear any difference at all.

However, there are some minor advantages that make it worthwhile, depending on your sound setup and hardware.

1) When a compressed audio file is decoded, the decoder maintains 32 or 64 bits of precision [depending on the decoder]. If you have a 24bit soundcard, it seems silly to reduce those 32 bits to 16, only to have the soundcard go back up to 24 and fill the extra bits with 0. You might as well go from 32 to 24 and maintain that tiny bit of quality.

2) If you are doing further processing of the audio, such as EQ, a DSP plugin, soundcard effects (e.g. EAX), then it is best to keep the bits-per-sample as high as possible, because sound processing tends to amplify distortions already present in the audio.

from http://mp3decoders.mp3-tech.org/24bit.html

# My mp3s are made from 16-bit CDs - why use a 24-bit decoder?
As you probably know, when you encode a CD to mp3 format, you don't store an exact copy of the original signal. When an mp3 is decoded, you don't get those original 16-bits back, but an approximation that should sound similar. When the decoder puts together all the elements held in the mp3 file, the arithmetical result can be very accurate in numerical terms, even if it's not exactly what was on the original CD. If you round it to 16-bits, you add a small amount of extra distortion to this reconstructed signal, getting even further away from what was on the original CD. If you round it to 24-bits, you're still adding distortion, but it's 256 times quieter than that added by rounding to 16-bits.


Here's my take: if you don't have a soundcard with 24bit output, there's very little to gain from 24bit output. If you have a soundcard with 24bit output, you might as well enable 24bit output (the difference in CPU usage is negligible on a modern processor)

[deeder7001]

I'm having the same problem as spacemarine(with the VBR being inaccurate). I'm also annoyed at the extremely slow media library(it takes 20+ seconds to do a search of a selected artist's songs). The ML used to be very fast. I have about 30.6GB(5924 songs) of music in the ML. These aren't critical but happen to be fairly annoying.

[The Absorbant]

Could you make the doubleclick behavior in searches etc in the portables section of the media library to follow the general setting? I really prefer for double clicking one file to open just that one file and not all of the search results/the full album, and that's how I have it set in the regular media library.

[Cianca]

Originally posted by Benski
It's quite unlikely that you'll hear any difference at all.

However, there are some minor advantages that make it worthwhile, depending on your sound setup and hardware.

1) When a compressed audio file is decoded, the decoder maintains 32 or 64 bits of precision [depending on the decoder]. If you have a 24bit soundcard, it seems silly to reduce those 32 bits to 16, only to have the soundcard go back up to 24 and fill the extra bits with 0. You might as well go from 32 to 24 and maintain that tiny bit of quality.

2) If you are doing further processing of the audio, such as EQ, a DSP plugin, soundcard effects (e.g. EAX), then it is best to keep the bits-per-sample as high as possible, because sound processing tends to amplify distortions already present in the audio.

from http://mp3decoders.mp3-tech.org/24bit.html


Here's my take: if you don't have a soundcard with 24bit output, there's very little to gain from 24bit output. If you have a soundcard with 24bit output, you might as well enable 24bit output (the difference in CPU usage is negligible on a modern processor)

thanx for the explanation :up:

[MP_chefkoch]

Originally posted by Benski
[B]Build 834
* New: "Close Winamp" option after installation (after clicking 'Send')


Good news ;)
Will there be full support for the /S switch of the installer in future builds?

with "full support" i mean:
- not automatically running winamp at the end of the setup
- not ignoring an existing install.ini

Best regards
hanshans

[OdessaCubbage]

I don't use a playlist, I have a folder full of shortcuts to other folders with mp3s in.. 5.24 and below all worked perfectly like this. 5.25 just pops up the "open file" requester when I try to load such a folder..
Was this deliberately changed or is it a bug?

[Benski]

Originally posted by OdessaCubbage
I don't use a playlist, I have a folder full of shortcuts to other folders with mp3s in.. 5.24 and below all worked perfectly like this. 5.25 just pops up the "open file" requester when I try to load such a folder..
Was this deliberately changed or is it a bug?

It's a bug. thanks for the heads up.

[YungMike513]

im running Winamp 5.25 build 834 beta
when I play a song, the total time for the song goes up and down.

[amano]

That is a known bug and it is fixed already AFAIK. Just wait for the next build, this will contain the fix ;)

[CraigF]

Request that the "Close Winamp" button in the initial run dialogs be changed to a simple "Finish" to the right side of "Run Winamp", akin to most installers.

[DJ Egg]

Winamp 5.25 Beta, build 843

Winamp 5.25 Beta Full (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0843_beta_full.exe)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Pro (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0843_beta_pro.exe) (asks for key during install)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Standard (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0843_beta_std.exe) (same as Full but no ML or viz)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Lite (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0843_beta_lite.exe)

* Fixed: unicode titles for streams (build 834-specific bug)
* Fixed: [in_mp3] icecast utf-8 stream title support
* Fixed: [in_mp3] lame vbr header reading (build 834-specific bug)
* Fixed: [ml_local] crash when deleting files (via watcher) before ml has loaded
* Improved: bumped up gain of spectral analyzer
* Improved: [in_mp4] better sample duration calculation when the decoder is outputting at a different samplerate than specified in the MP4 data
* Improved: [pmp_usb] metadata reading in background, general touch-ups
* Improved: [in_mp3] faster preparation during burning, transcoder (http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~wdhf2/transcoder) support
* New: [in_mp3] replaygain support for MP3 playback (enable in Prefs > Playback)
* New: [ml_rg] replaygain scanner (beta only, for now - access via Send To menu)
* Updated: [enc_lame] LAME 3.97b3


ATF now supports:

%replaygain_track_gain%
%replaygain_album_gain%
%replaygain_track_peak%
%replaygain_album_peak%
%gain%

eg. [ '( Gain:' %replaygain_track_gain% ')']

Note: %gain% currently only works for mp3


Updates

Newer pmp_usb.dll available: info (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2015117#post2015117) | download (http://stashbox.org/uploads/1156287106/pmp_usb.dll)

[amano]

Woot. Killer. Nothing more to say.

EDIT: Great that the spectrum analyzer is much more impressive now. Like it wayyyy more now again. ;)

Thanks Benski :up:

EDIT2: Now the transcoder works really fine with MP3s as well. IMHO the transcoder would be really worth bundling with Winamp. Great functionality and great ease of use.

I love this build, that for sure. Thanks Will, Thanks Benski, :up: :up:


* Fixed: [in_mp3] icecast utf-8 stream title support

hmm. is this really fixed? See http://222.122.131.21:22000 (Republic of Korea Top Radio). The stream title doesn't seem to be unicodified (great word, copyright by amano). But I cannot know if these should be korean fonts, I just guess. It is hard to tell because on its site (see link) parts of the stream title seem to be garbled as well. :weird:

EDIT3: Damn. DJ Egg is right (as usual, see post below). It is a shoutcast server stream. Nothing to do with icecast. :confused: And after some thinking it might be related to the fact that my windows doesn't have support for eastern asian languages installed. Maybe it would work if it had.

[DJ Egg]

That's a SHOUTcast Server, not Icecast. But yeah, there's some funky double-byte Korean characters in there, and I think it's more than likely a SHOUTcast DNAS issue (where it's writing titles using 'system language' instead of utf-8/16).

[Edit] Yes, hopefully the Transcoder will be bundled with the Winamp 5.25 distro

[Koopa]

Nice. :)

* New: [ml_rg] replaygain scanner (beta only, for now - access via Send To menu)
Will this work with vorbis files too?

Found a tiny typo in the changelog:

* ImproveD: "Close Winamp" option after installation (after clicking 'Send')

[DJ Egg]

Note: I've updated the Notes & Known Issues section of the main post :-)

Yes, RG Scanner works for mp3 & ogg

[edit]

not! (see below)

[Koopa]

Thanks. Just amazing, now I can use Winamp and haven't to use the commandline based vorbisgain.exe. :)

[Benski]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
Will this work with vorbis files too?

Not yet :( It will before final release, tho

[DJ Egg]

Ahh crap. Looks like I'm getting too far ahead of myself :-o

Dang. It actually crashes with ogg's, heh.

/me updates the main post

[Edit]

gotta love internal updates (http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/winamp/screenshots/Vorbis_RG_Results.png) ;-)

[Koopa]

Not yet It will before final release, tho
No problem. :) (I wondered, because the file size of the 2 new .dll files is a little bit to small to contain vorbisgain.exe.

Or are their other abilities to scan ogg vorbis files, which I'm not aware about?)

Keep on your good work. This will be the best Winamp release.

[amano]

In the Replay Gain settings: What does this do '[ ] Disable if preferred source is not available'?

Hmm. Is there a way to set a special target gain level (like 89db for mp3gain)? I'm not really used to dealing with replaygain, so excuse my probably dumb question (and blame MP3gain).

[Benski]

In the Replay Gain settings: What does this do '[ ] Disable if preferred source is not available'?

If you have your source set to 'Album' but only 'Track' information is present, it will use 'Track' gain unless you tick this option. The option might go away, I admit it's a bit dumb :)

Hmm. Is there a way to set a special target gain level (like 89db for mp3gain)? I'm not really used to dealing with replaygain, so excuse my probably dumb question (and blame MP3gain).

Use the pre-amp in the EQ if you don't like 89dB (or turn the volume up to avoid clipping :)

[amano]

No problem. Just wanted to know the target value.

If I am not mistaken the activation of replayGAIN will not affect my MP3 files at all, since they are already MP3gained to 89db. Just my (very few) wma and ogg files (from the moment on that they are supported)?

And where are the replay gain values stored? is there a database or do use tags?

[Benski]

Originally posted by amano
And where are the replay gain values stored? is there a database or do use tags?

They are written to tags

[Psychonaut]

sry if it has posted already but i have there a question to the new 24 bit mode. the option is called "Allow 24 bit". what i have read here is that when you enable it, winamp ALWAYS plays files in 24 bit and extrapolate when files are in 16 bit. is that true or does winamp ONLY play the files in 24 bit when they are encoded in 24 bit? because i have a 'creative x-fi xtrememusic' soundcard and there is a option called "24 Bit Crystalizer" which should increase the sound... ;-)
so i don't like something that extrapolate or interpolate 24 bit sound

[Benski]

Originally posted by Psychonaut
sry if it has posted already but i have there a question to the new 24 bit mode. the option is called "Allow 24 bit". what i have read here is that when you enable it, winamp ALWAYS plays files in 24 bit and extrapolate when files are in 16 bit. is that true or does winamp ONLY play the files in 24 bit when they are encoded in 24 bit? because i have a 'creative x-fi xtrememusic' soundcard and there is a option called "24 Bit Crystalizer" which should increase the sound... ;-)
so i don't like something that extrapolate or interpolate 24 bit sound

No. The new 24 bit mode just downconverts 32 bit floating-point (mathematical results from MP3, AAC, Vorbis, etc) to 24 bits instead of 16 bits. It never "upconverts" 16 to 24 bits

[amano]

OK. I thought about the whole thing again. So is it advisable to ReplayGain your already MP3gained Mp3s? To make sure that Winamp doesn't apply the general -6db gain to them. They are exempted from this global gain reduction only with a ReplayGain value in the tag, thus trying to make them equally loud with waves, wmas and others. Am I right?

Or does Winamp already detect mp3gained files somehow and exempts them from the global -6db gain reduction?

[Benski]

Originally posted by amano
OK. I thought about the whole thing again. So is it advisable to ReplayGain your already MP3gained Mp3s? To make sure that Winamp doesn't apply the general -6db gain to them. They are exempted from this global gain reduction only with a ReplayGain value in the tag, thus trying to make them equally loud with waves, wmas and others. Am I right?

Or does Winamp already detect mp3gained files somehow and exempts them from the global -6db gain reduction?

Nope, it's going to apply the -6dB (mp3gain just adjusts the scalefactors, if I'm correct?). Since we're using the same loudness calculation algorithm as mp3gain, it should come out to 0dB adjustment (although doesn't mp3gain only has a resolution of 1.5dB - thought I read that somewhere).

[amano]

Yeah. There will actually be an adjustment between 0 to 1.5db for those mp3gained files.

If I understand you correctly it is better to apply replaygain also for them. Because mp3gained files are already quiet and I do not want the -6db for them. I want that only for those files that are not as quiet yet (ie wma files which don't support any gain support yet). That would provide a pretty equal sound level for all sound formats (with or without gain support).

And thanks for your elaboration. I will stop to annoy you now :up:

[will]

Looks like I missed the build for my new pmp_usb.

Anyway, here you go usb fans: http://stashbox.org/uploads/1156287106/pmp_usb.dll

(note, there's an even newer version in the latest 5.25 public beta)

The new thing is, when it detects a drive, it will ask you if you want winamp to manage it or not. If you select not, then it will never ask you again about that particular drive.

This should fix pmp-related issues with winamp hanging on startup for people with funky encrypted partitions *cough*'seer*cough* (they can just select no when asked about it).

[djsolidsnake86]

i have a little question about 24 bit.. in the plug in_mod.dll i must set the 24bit output format? and enable 48000? and for max voices what i must set?
i have an xfi xtreme music
thank you!

[Logy]

you can change in with notepad, just open what whatsnew.txt!
adios!

[jmbattle]

Hello, just upgraded to the latest beta and noticed that opening podcasts through the ML crash WinAMP.

Cheers,
James
x

EDIT: reverting back to in_mp3.dll from b834 fixes the issue - it appears to be related to all mp3 http:// streaming.

[DJ Egg]

@jmbattle
Hmm, can't reproduce the problem here.
Is this with one/all of the listed podcasts, or one that you're entering manually?

[edit]

Strange. Yeah, I can see in your log that it's crashing in in_mp3.
Not sure why though, but I'm sure Benski will look into it tomorrow.

_____________________________________________________________

@djsolidsnake86

The Output Format, Stereo, Surround options will be moved out of in_mod for the next build/final, and will be configurable via the global settings in Prefs > Playback instead. But yeah, in the current public betas, modules only use the settings from in_mod config.

[engine]

:D New: Unicode filename and title support
Very nice!
Wish for the final version...