Winamp 5.25 beta preview (build 868)

[djsolidsnake86]

Originally posted by DJ Egg

@djsolidsnake86

The Output Format, Stereo, Surround options will be moved out of in_mod for the next build/final, and will be configurable via the global settings in Prefs > Playback instead. But yeah, in the current public betas, modules only use the settings from in_mod config.
ok so now how i can configure the options of this plug ins?

[Thunder Pussy]

Oh my... replaygain support. Very very nice.

People have been asking for replaygain for years.

Thanks.

[MasterViVi]

Is it possible to:
- Make files sound the same volume;
- Not overly lower the volume?

I'm new to this replaygain stuff. :)

[Serpher]

When i'm usig the ML Winamp freezes. When track starting, seeking is freezes too but less. "Calculate RG" freezes and crashing Winamp.

[rxbbx]

thnx for the update.. :)

[DJ Egg]

@Serpher
Please read all the notes at the end of the first post in the thread.
We can't reproduce the ML freezing problem. We'll need more info.
What file formats are crashing with the RG Analyzer?
As the notes say, only mp3 is supported in the current beta, with ogg and aac/m4a to follow soon. Scanning ogg's will crash the beta, as will scanning some 3rd-party formats like flac (as previously mentioned, we're waiting for the flac plugin license to be changed to lgpl before we can add things like rg calculation support).

@djsolidsnake86
Re: in_mod
Yes, with an X-Fi card you can safely enable 24-bit and 48000 KHz.
The 'max voices' is pretty irrelevant. Set it to whatever you want. I can't even remember what the default setting is, but I've currently got mine set to 256 (it's rare that any modules will ever have that many voices anyway).

Originally posted by MasterViVi
Is it possible to:
- Make files sound the same volume I think that is the whole point of ReplayGain. Naturally, it'll be more useful when more formats are supported (only mp3 is supported in the current beta, though ogg & aac are now working in the internal build, with m4a to follow shortly - not sure about the likes of wma & wav, forget about mod & midi).
Note that the preamp slider value in Prefs > Playback is 1) only enabled when RG is enabled, 2) only affects files without RG info, and 3) always resets to -6dB after closing & reopening Winamp (bug is fixed in latest internal build). Setting the preamp to 0 dB will not lower the volume on any files without RG info (or any formats that don't support it).

@engine
Umm, pardon my ignorance, but what is it? Heh.

[flocksoft]

just a reminder...

MP3Gain (http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/) adds the RG informations in ape tags, foobar2000 (http://www.foobar2000.org/) in id3 v2.4 tags and winamp in id3 v2.3 tags

Musepack (http://www.musepack.net/) has already the RG support (album & track mode), but the new ATF labels doesn't support it

[DJ Egg]

Winamp actually uses id3 v2.4 now.
(hmm, maybe it currently just reads id3 v2.4, but writes as v2.3)...?

Musepack will need to update their plugin.

[Koopa]

Found another minor glitch, when you delete in_dshow and in_nsv, then there is no more video window. (already known I guess ;))

Result: .wmv videos just play with sound.

(Problem is, that users maybe uncheck DirectShow and NSV support in installer)

[DJ Egg]

Strange. I can't reproduce that problem here.
The video window (which is actually always there because it's part of winamp.exe) is visible/accessible for me when any of in_dshow, in_nsv or in_wm are present. This is also assuming that you've not removed WMV from in_wm config... which I suppose you can't have done because then wmv wouldn't play at all.

[Koopa]

Yeah in the modern skin there ist still a video window, but in the right click menu the entry Video is missing.

I tried it just with .wmv support then I hear just sound, I can reproduce it on 2 maschines with clean install. Can anyone else confirm this?
is visible/accessible for me when any of in_dshow, in_nsv or in_wm are present.
Right click menu etc is just aviable when in_dsshow or in_nsv are present.

It's not there for me when just in_wm with .wmv support is installed. .wmv playback with classic skins just brings sound. If one of the other plug-ins is present (in_dsshow or in_nsv) wmv playback works fine and video menu is present via right click menu.

[flocksoft]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Winamp actually uses id3 v2.4 now.
(hmm, maybe it currently just reads id3 v2.4, but writes as v2.3)...?

maybe it's so, indeed using Mp3tag (http://www.mp3tag.de/en/) to discover the tag format written by Winamp, I read id3 v2.3

anyway I use Unicode [UTF-16] format in mp3 input plugin to write tags

winamp 5.25 843

[Koopa]

maybe it's so, indeed using Mp3tag to discover the tag format written by Winamp, I read id3 v2.3
I guess Egg means that preliminary support for ID3v2.4 is there or He plays with a newer build as we.

[DJ Egg]

@Koopatrooper
Right you are! My bad. I forgot I also had in_qt installed.
After disabling all of in_dshow, in_nsv & in_qt, then there's no video window or menu if in_wm is present (with asf & wmv properly associated). Thanks.

You're also right about the 'preliminary id3 2.4 support' theory, but wrong about any further developments in a newer build. It's still the same in that department.

From what I can gather, foobar writes to id3v2.4 and Winamp sees it, and Winamp writes to id3v2.3 and foobar sees it - so I can't see any problems there. However, as already mentioned, Winamp/in_mp3 doesn't see/support ape tags.

[Benski]

Originally posted by jmbattle
Hello, just upgraded to the latest beta and noticed that opening podcasts through the ML crash WinAMP.

Cheers,
James
x

EDIT: reverting back to in_mp3.dll from b834 fixes the issue - it appears to be related to all mp3 http:// streaming.

Did you by any chance delete aacPlusDecoder.w5s from the Winamp\System folder?

[Squashed]

I'm still holding thumbs that this MP3 Stream Info Box bug gets fixed after all this years.
Maybe in 5.25?

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=243169
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=250822
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=244755
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86420
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=181961

[jdwis]

Hi

Clean installed this 5.25 beta version on XP-SP2, everything seems to be working fine except MID files.

Volume does not work in log with MID files but for rest MP3 and WAV it works smooth, what I mean is while playing MID files, the volume goes high if moving Volume Bar from 0% to 1%, but then moving the volume bar from 2% to 100% the change does not seem noticable.

I generally work on MID files & this bug was there in 5.24 also but does not seem to be noticed by anybody.

Could you please check on this please.

rest seems good...
thanks m8..

[amano]

Hmn. In the configuration dialog of in_mid try to switch to the 'Direct Music/Microsoft Synthesiser (with output)' mode. This one seems to be the most robust Midi mode, with the diskwriter working, the vis working etc and thus should be used anyway. At least for me the volume works fine in this mode.

Would be great if this mode could be made the default.

[ujay]

Originally posted by Squashed
I'm still holding thumbs that this MP3 Stream Info Box bug gets fixed after all this years.
Maybe in 5.25?

Use the Station Info window.

UJ

[MasterViVi]

Bug:
- create playlist of several songs
- start to play "song X"
- delete "song X" from playlist
- hit pause
- see title of "song X" in main window change to something else, but still play the song. :)

[BugMaster]

Originally posted by MasterViVi
Bug:
- create playlist of several songs
- start to play "song X"
- delete "song X" from playlist
- hit pause
- see title of "song X" in main window change to something else, but still play the song. :)
Yes. I also can see this bug but only with Modern Skins. No such problems with Classic Skins.

[spacemarine]

Originally posted by flocksoft

MP3Gain (http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/) adds the RG informations in ape tags, foobar2000 (http://www.foobar2000.org/) in id3 v2.4 tags and winamp in id3 v2.3 tags


I was wondering about the same thing.
I think the goal should be to aim for interoperability here,
not to have winamp, foobar & mp3gain write three different
replaygain tag flavours.

AFAIK mp3gain doesn't store "gain information" in its
tags but rather "undo information" that enables you to undo the changes -
so count out mp3gain when it comes to tags with usable
replaygain info (uh, correct me if im wrong ;))

But (IMHO) at least compatibility between foobar and winamp
would be desirable (regarding mp3s), which would imply using ID3v2.4 ...
but then again that wouldn't work for OGGs & AACs ... hmm ... difficult ;)


Cheers,
Spacemarine

[Benski]

Originally posted by spacemarine
But (IMHO) at least compatibility between foobar and winamp
would be desirable (regarding mp3s), which would imply using ID3v2.4 ...
The replaygain values show up shared between Winamp and foobar. Winamp will read id3v2.4. foobar will read id3v2.3. The frame that's being used (TXXX) exists unchanged in both 2.3 and 2.4. I'm failing to see the problem here ...


but then again that wouldn't work for OGGs & AACs ... hmm ... difficult ;)

Ogg Vorbis replaygain info is written to the vorbis comments. MP4 AAC replaygain (not yet implemented!) will be written into the user metadata box.

[spacemarine]

Originally posted by Benski
The replaygain values show up shared between Winamp and foobar. Winamp will read id3v2.4. foobar will read id3v2.3. The frame that's being used (TXXX) exists unchanged in both 2.3 and 2.4. I'm failing to see the problem here ...

If that is so, there is no problem, my fault ;)

PS: An option to make winamp write v2.4 UTF-8 tags
in the future would be nice nonetheless ;) (for people that
want their tags to be nice & tidy and stick to a single tag
flavour - "out of principle" if you want to call it that :D)

[jmbattle]

Originally posted by Benski
Did you by any chance delete aacPlusDecoder.w5s from the Winamp\System folder?

Ah, guilty as charged, my apologies. I will pop this file back in to the system/ folder when I return home later and report back my findings.

However, is there any particular reason why aacPlusDecoder.w5s is now required in the latest version of in_mp3.dll when it was not previously? I use a rather stripped down version of WinAMP, installing only the formats I will use (ogg and mp3), removing extra libraries one by one until something breaks.

I particularly like the modularity of WinAMP (applauding the recent splitting-up of the ML) - when minimised WinAMP utilises a miniscule 1.3mb or so. Indeed, it would be lovely to extract further functionality from the main executable into external libraries (the video player for example).

Well anyway, once again, my apologies.

Take care,
James
x

[Benski]

Originally posted by jmbattle
However, is there any particular reason why aacPlusDecoder.w5s is now required in the latest version of in_mp3.dll when it was not previously? I use a rather stripped down version of WinAMP, installing only the formats I will use (ogg and mp3), removing extra libraries one by one until something breaks.

It's fixed now :)

[Squashed]

Originally posted by ujay
Use the Station Info window.W00t! Honestly, I never saw this window before, thanks. :igor: Don't tell me that it existed for a long time and I was always fighting with that small info box for nothing :eek:

[3ngel]

24bit EQ support
:cool: In the end you make it! Great! :)

The only thing that miss is the native .cue support.

And then this will be THE player.

Waiting with impatience.

Good work!

[TheUniqueTiger]

I read about some interesting changes in the spectrum analyser, but couldn't get around it. Previously bass->left and treble->right, but now I find the behavior to be different & cannot locate bass on any of the bars. Also in which direction is the bass & treble. With most of my MP3s (Stereo, 128kbps) the last two bars to the right seldom jump, which wasn't the case till 5.24.

(5.25 beta 843, the first of 5.25 betas I've installed)

***Praises for 24bit playback & RG***Long live Winamp***

[amano]

As a feature request for the future: It would be great if I could see the RG value in the info box (or see that there is none available).

Or even have an own column in the ML in addition, so that I can see which media has

a) still no RG value
b) RG values up to 1,5 db
c) high RG values (to see those files that are still not mp3gained/vorbisgained --> this info could be handy for portables that don't support ReplayGain)

[Squashed]

Originally posted by Squashed
W00t! Let me take this back. The Station Info Window apparently only works when you connected through Shoutcast. :down:
When listening streams through direct addresses the window stays blank (while the MP3 Stream Info Box shows the data).
So please keep the bugfix request above in mind.

[DJ Egg]

What is it that you actually want to get from the File Info box?
Is it just the stream title?
If so, then why not just enable the Copy Title hotkey in Prefs > Global Hotkeys...

[Stone Free]

Hi I have just installed 5.25 Build 843 Beta on Windows XP Service Pack 2 here at work.

The soundcard is an onboard SoundMAX, and since I installed the latest version there is trouble with CD playback. Absolutely no sound comes out the speakers, the settings (in_cdda.dll v3.21) had been reset to "Use Sonic engine when possible", with "Enable digital audio extraction when possible" cleared.

I then changed the settings to my usual, by clearing "Use Sonic.." and still no sound. When I ticked "Enable Digital.." everything sprang into life (restarting tracks each time between settings").

Basically no sound will play until "Enable Digital.." is checked. I have tried each output plugin, but it makes no difference.

Although sound now plays it is very choppy as if there is no spare CPU, but Process Explorer does not show high CPU usage.

[Squashed]

If so, then why not just enable the Copy Title hotkey in Prefs > Global Hotkeys... Thanks for the info; that one comes handy when you want to copy the info but I need it mostly for *displaying* the title.
I have the station name and title scrolling in the Winamp window. But there are a lot of stations with loooong names. With a decent scrolling you have to wait for ages to see the title. So the fastest way (apart from the Station info box with a Shoutcast connection) is the MP3 info box.

[DJ Egg]

So uncheck "include station name in title" in "in_mp3 config > streaming" tab then...?

Other than that, maybe someone can look into improving the stream info/name & current title display in the MP3 Stream Info box, eg. make it so it all displays with no cut-offs. Note it's a feature request (or gui improvement anyway) not a bug (and this isn't the wishlist).


@Stone Free

DAE is always enabled (checkmarked) by default, unless you manually uncheck it yourself. 'Use Sonic Engine' is only checkmarked by default if you don't uncheck "Sonic Burning/Ripping Engine" in the installer options... ie. I can't reproduce the behaviour you describe.

Other than that, CD playback works fine here, with both Sonic and ASPI methods. If you've got problems (eg. choppy playback) with the ASPI method then that'll either be something to do with whatever 3rd-party aspi driver you're using (we recommend using nero aspi (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1223065#post1223065) with win2k/xp) or maybe your cd drive is running in pio mode instead of ultra dma (check Device Manager > IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers > IDE Channel > Properties > Advanced).

[Benski]

Originally posted by Squashed
Thanks for the info; that one comes handy when you want to copy the info but I need it mostly for *displaying* the title.
I have the station name and title scrolling in the Winamp window. But there are a lot of stations with loooong names. With a decent scrolling you have to wait for ages to see the title. So the fastest way (apart from the Station info box with a Shoutcast connection) is the MP3 info box.

For the next release:
http://stashbox.org/uploads/1156443944/MP3_Stream_Info_Box.png

[DJ Egg]

Wayhey! :):up:

[Squashed]

:up: :up: :up: This-was-fast *gasp* :)

[MrX_1980]

Hello

I installed 5.25 build 843 (clean install) an use the Shoutcast TV.

First:
I switched to some TV stations and noticed, that the text "DJ CrazyDean radio..." doesn't go away, when the next station begins.

Second:
The sort order in the Media Library are not saved.
That would be nice, if it will be saved.

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by MrX_1980
The sort order in the Media Library are not saved.
That would be nice, if it will be saved. Could you please be more specific? What/where do you mean exactly?

If you're talking about ML > Online Services > Shoutcast TV
then afaik, nothing's changed in that department in 5.25

(also, the subtitle overlay issue isn't 5.25-specific either)

What version # were you using before? Was it not the same in there too?
(assuming you were using a 5.2x build with Online Services, and not the old 5.0x-5.1x Online Media thing)

[MrX_1980]

I just noticed by "Shoutcast Radio" in the config:
"Remember last View"
I enabled this, but if I set it to "Top500" and sort by Bitrate and then switch to Shoutcast TV and back to Shoutcast Radio, I see the standard view (Quick Genre and sort by Listeners)

By Shoutcast TV there is no option "Remember last View"

[EDIT] I always use the latest Version. So befor I used 5.24 but there I don't noticed the overlay bug. It is also longer ago that I used the Shoutcast TV.

[DJ Egg]

Yeah, "Remember last view" just remembers whatever genre you've selected (or search results), it doesn't remember the column header sorting options.

There's only one view for Shoutcast TV (show all), so there's no point in having a 'remember' option for it.

Also, it always remembers it for me in SC Radio, so I'm not sure what's going on there (can't reproduce that particular problem).

And as I said, it was like this in 5.2-5.24
Nothing's changed in that department whatsoever.

[MrX_1980]

It is late :-)
Ok the genre is being saved. I over see it, beacuse the drop down shows "Quick Genre" but below it shows "500 Strems in Top500".
Will be the sort order saved too in next version?

"(also, the title overlay issue isn't 5.25-specific either)"
Could it be a video driver problem?

[Stone Free]

Originally posted by DJ Egg

@Stone Free

DAE is always enabled (checkmarked) by default, unless you manually uncheck it yourself. 'Use Sonic Engine' is only checkmarked by default if you don't uncheck "Sonic Burning/Ripping Engine" in the installer options... ie. I can't reproduce the behaviour you describe.

Other than that, CD playback works fine here, with both Sonic and ASPI methods. If you've got problems (eg. choppy playback) with the ASPI method then that'll either be something to do with whatever 3rd-party aspi driver you're using (we recommend using nero aspi (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1223065#post1223065) with win2k/xp) or maybe your cd drive is running in pio mode instead of ultra dma (check Device Manager > IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers > IDE Channel > Properties > Advanced).
DJ Egg, I did not do a fresh install maybe that is my problem and the reason why DAE was unchecked.

The ASPI driver above is the one I am using.

How do I know what is the correct one as I have two "Primary IDE Channel"s showing up?. One of them does say "PIO Only" and Current Transfer Mode "PIO Mode" for device 0, and the other has "DMA If Available" and Current Transfer Mode "Ultra DMA Mode 5".

I thought maybe one was the disk drive with DMA, but when I looked up the hard disk HDS728080PLA380 it is shown as a Serial-ATA.

Which leaves me confused as there is only one device left the CD Drive and yet supposedly two IDE devices.

I have no idea how to identify from the CD Drive which one it is connected to.

[Stone Free]

DJ Egg, just uninstalled and reinstalled and that has fixed the non-playing problem, but still have choppy playback.

[DJ Egg]

Change the one which says PIO to DMA If Available, then reboot.
If it's still saying PIO for Current Mode then see here for info on how to edit the registry to reset everything:
http://sniptools.com/tipstricks/getting-back-to-dma-mode-in-windows-xp

Unless the drive is really old (like pre 1998 or something) then all modern drives support DMA/uDMA Mode. No drives should be running in PIO Mode under WinXP.

When a drive goes into PIO mode it's probably a sign of faulty hardware or imminent failure (eg. a drive will start in uDMA Mode 4/5/6, but after each critical error it'll reduce in increments of 1, until after another error in uDMA Mode 1 where it'll then go down to PIO mode).

To find out which drives are located where (Primary or Secondary IDE Channel, Device 0 or 1) either open up the case and look, or enter the BIOS on bootup (Standard CMOS Features section). Sure there's probably Windows apps/tools out there which you can use, but that's the way I've always done it, heh.

Generally though, if either the CD-ROM Drive (usually but not always: Secondary IDE Channel, Device 0) or Hard Drive where Windows is located (usually: Primary IDE Channel, Device 0, C: Drive) is running in PIO mode then that's bound to be the cause of choppy CD playback (amongst other general slowness issues).

One thing's for sure though is it's not a Winamp problem, and certainly not a 5.25-beta-specific issue. That I can gurarantee.


[edit]

the above was just an example, and not based on your particular system/settings

[osmosis]

i just want to report that my random chinese filename displays correctly now, although i don't even have it set to override the default skin font anymore. go figure. i'm not gonna question it though. :)

[Stone Free]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
To find out which drives are located where (Primary or Secondary IDE Channel, Device 0 or 1) either open up the case and look, or enter the BIOS on bootup (Standard CMOS Features section). Sure there's probably Windows apps/tools out there which you can use, but that's the way I've always done it, heh.

Generally though, if either the CD-ROM Drive (usually but not always: Secondary IDE Channel, Device 0) or Hard Drive where Windows is located (usually: Primary IDE Channel, Device 0, C: Drive) is running in PIO mode then that's bound to be the cause of choppy CD playback (amongst other general slowness issues).

Unfortunately as I said in my message both of them are listed as Primary, I will try changing the mode anyway but it is bizzare that there is only one IDE device on the system as the other one is SATA and yet according to device manager Device 0 is active on both sets of "Primary IDE Channel"/

[basteagow]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
* Fixed: unicode titles for streams (build 834-specific bug)
* Fixed: icecast utf-8 stream title support
OMG, thank you so much for fixing these. I didn't think you would go all the way and implement the latter as well. Thanks!!!

[i]Originally posted by amano
hmm. is this really fixed? See http://222.122.131.21:22000 (Republic of Korea Top Radio). The stream title doesn't seem to be unicodified (great word, copyright by amano). But I cannot know if these should be korean fonts, I just guess. It is hard to tell because on its site (see link) parts of the stream title seem to be garbled as well.
Originally posted by DJ Egg
That's a SHOUTcast Server, not Icecast. But yeah, there's some funky double-byte Korean characters in there, and I think it's more than likely a SHOUTcast DNAS issue (where it's writing titles using 'system language' instead of utf-8/16).
Just for the record, I never managed to get the SHOUTcast DNAS, the SHOUTcast source plug-in for Winamp, and UTF-8 working together. It's my understanding that either the DNAS or the plug-in (or both) don't support UTF-8 in stream titles. So I tried Icecast instead. While the Icecast server does support UTF-8 in stream titles, IceS (the "official" source client) only supports it in version 2.0, which can only broadcast in Ogg Vorbis format. So I hacked the source code of IceS v0.4 (the version that broadcasts in MP3 format) to support UTF-8 ID3v2 tags. At this point I had two working streams with UTF-8 titles in them, one in Ogg Vorbis and the other in MP3 format. However, I then realized that build 834 of Winamp wouldn't display the characters properly for either stream: They would show up as question marks for the Ogg Vorbis stream, and as undecoded UTF-8 for the MP3 stream. Build 843 of Winamp finally fixes/implements both of these things. You guys rock. :D

[mark-dub]

Hi Dj EGG.

Loving 5.25 beta...hooked up the wife's mp3 player and voila, could see it under portables and she went to town.

However, when I ripped a new cd, the artist/album/ track info etc did not automatically show up in the ML...as it did in 5.24. Had to manually "add media to library."

Under "Media Library/ Cd ripping / Output file settings, tagging settings" that option is checked ON.

Am I misssing something or is this just turned off for the 5.25 beta testing?

Thanks.

[Hanschke]

winamp crashed unter vista pre rc 1 if i want to save a playlist under the same name but i have done changes like deleting or adding songs.

if i save under other folder it worked but cannot overwrite playlists with the same name.

[jdwis]

Originally posted by amano
Hmn. In the configuration dialog of in_mid try to switch to the 'Direct Music/Microsoft Synthesiser (with output)' mode. This one seems to be the most robust Midi mode, with the diskwriter working, the vis working etc and thus should be used anyway. At least for me the volume works fine in this mode.

Would be great if this mode could be made the default.

thanks m8
sorted the problem...

excellent..
cheers..

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by mark-dub
when I ripped a new cd, the artist/album/ track info etc did not automatically show up in the ML...as it did in 5.24. Had to manually "add media to library."

Under "Media Library/ Cd ripping / Output file settings, tagging settings" that option is checked ON. Yup, we also recently discovered this bug. Auto add ripped files to mldb is broken. Should be fixed for next build / final. Thanks.

[alex_gamer]

Besides my other two problem (link (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2012243#post2012243)),
i found another problem, in preferences > Media libary > Shoutcast wire > Subscription Updates > Update Every: it is always set to never, no matter how many times i set it.

[Koopa]

i found another problem, in preferences > Media libary > Shoutcast wire > Subscription Updates > Update Every: it is always set to never, no matter how many times i set it.
Works fine here.

[Tr0ll]

cueplayer 0.5b plugin does not work with beta :\ ....
with in_mp3.dll from .24 it woks fine ....

(dont forget the .nsv thing) *G*

[Koopa]

cueplayer 0.5b plugin does not work with beta :\ ....
It's a third party plug-in, it's up to the author of the plug-in to provide an update for better 5.25 compatibility. ;)

[DrO]

and if cueplayer is doing what i remember it said it's meant to do, it is very unlikely it'll ever work with anything from 5.25 and up (since unicows which is providing the unicode support for older OSes completely breaks most hooking techniques i can think of). basically unless someone comes up with another way/that one is fixed/it's natively implemented there's little that can be done.

so to sum it up once again, 3rd party plugins are not supported and it's down to authors to update their plugins accordingly (i've had to do it and i'm nearer a 2nd party than 3rd party but it's still afftected me).

-daz

[alex_gamer]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
Works fine here.

Why not here? Last time i checked, it was still set to never.

Just wondering, is the media libary prefs section stored in winamp.ini?

[TheUniqueTiger]

What about my query about the changes in the spectrum analyser?

(link) (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2016031#post2016031)

[amano]

Hmm. Above 16kHz there is rather noise, but no music. And compressed music should always have a lowpass that might be even lower than 16kHz. Maybe the bands go even up to 20Khz, I do not really know. The human ear hears best up to 6kHz and this is what most music covers.

So all in all it is rather expected behaviour that there is little to see on the right bands. With wav files and certain songs there is sometimes a peak visible even on the rightmost bands.

But generally you are right. The bass bands are on the left side, treble rather on the right side, but rightmost there should be only noise.

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by alex_gamer
i found another problem, in preferences > Media libary > Shoutcast wire > Subscription Updates > Update Every: it is always set to never, no matter how many times i set it. I can actually reproduce that. It saves per session, but on Winamp restart it always resets to 'never'. However, I'm not sure if it's been like this for a while or if it's 5.25-specific. Can anyone else reproduce it?
And btw, the SC Wire settings are saved in plugins\ml\rss.xml

[Squashed]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
I can actually reproduce that. It saves per session, but on Winamp restart it always resets to 'never'. However, I'm not sure if it's been like this for a while or if it's 5.25-specific.
No problem here with 5.24, the setting sticks between restarts.

[OdessaCubbage]

Hurray.. Finally a way of making those pesky mp3s play at the same volume in winamp.. :)
But, please can there be a way of using this very useful feature without having to alter any tags etc.
Saving the values to a database/text file/library/anything instead. foobar2000 could do this.
This would also mean it would be usable for read-only media.

[alex_gamer]

What about the other problems i found? (link (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2012243#post2012243))

[TheUniqueTiger]

Hmm.. tried to 'Calculate ReplayGain' for a few MP3s which were too low on volume originally, and of course saved 'Track Data' in the calculation window. But on playing such 'gained' MP3s I found no difference in volume. Then I tried some other testing, in which I picked up a random 'ungained' MP3 track, calculated ReplayGain and it showed track gain as -1.4dB. (I had also kept Windows Explorer open showing the containing folder). After I clicked 'Save Track Data', I found that there was no change in filesize (in terms of bytes). Also I had checked 'Use Replay Gain' in Prefs->Playback & the file was not read-only. So it seems that the replaygain data is not applied because its not written to the file.
(I also tried to use ATF with %replaygain_track_gain% but showed nothing for that track, I also feel there's nothing wrong with installing the plugin since it calculates the replaygain, I guess, correctly.)

Using Winamp 5.25 beta build 843.

Is this happening to me because I'm doing sth wrong? or some bug which needs to be fixd?

[DJ Egg]

Do those mp3's only have ID3v1 tags (but no ID3v2 tags)?
If so, then it is a known bug (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251985#known), and already fixed internally.

(note, the 1st post in the thread is always updated with every new beta)

[TheUniqueTiger]

@DJ Egg: Yes you're right. Thanks. (I forgot to check out the first post)

Also like in mp3gain, what is the target volume (in dB) which is compared with? (like default 89dB in mp3gain), or is there nothing like that?

BTW, when is the much awaited final 5.25 being released? Or there's going to be one or more betas further?

@DJ Egg & amano: The bass (typical remix beats) is not shown on any of the bars of the spectrum analyser, although treble & the far right bars are understood. Initially bass & voice were shown on the far left bars, but now only voice can be located on the second-fourth bars from left but no such bar corresponds to the beat bass.

[Cianca]

Transcoding plugin will be integrated by default in WA 5.25?

[Serpher]

hey for those who have SoundBlaster X-Fi & nForce 4 is an interesing article
check this out:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33913

[amano]

@TheUniqueTiger:

You cannot reduce voice and bass to certain bars. bass and voice as they are percepted will cover a lot of frequencies. bass - of course - rather the left bars. you would need special test tones which cover certain frequencies only to see if the spectrum analyzer or the eq work properly. EQs are tested with "white noise" for example. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_noise . With white noise the spectrum analyser should display a flat line since all frequencies are covered equally. Judging from the ogg sample which is attached on this wikipedia site there could indeed be an issue with the 2 bands on the far left. From my understanding there should be a full peak there as well. Maybe benski can have a look at it?

the target volume of replaygain is 89db.

You told that you had tried to correct silent files with replay gain. mp3gaining or Replaygaining is rather a process to make loud sounds more quiet, not the other way round. those quiet files had probably been mp3gained before and thus didn't change their volume. Volume steps up to 1,5 db are supposed not to be perceptible by the ear. mp3gain can only alter the volume in 1,5 db steps, so RG values of up to 1,5 db can be possible if you analyse already mp3gained files. the target volume is 89 db in both cases, but mp3gain won't ever hit this target exactly, so RG values (up to 1,5 db) are perfectly normal for them.

[TheUniqueTiger]

Thanks. Looking forward to 5.25 final.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by amano
the target volume of replaygain is 89db.

You told that you had tried to correct silent files with replay gain. mp3gaining or Replaygaining is rather a process to make loud sounds more quiet, not the other way round. those quiet files had probably been mp3gained before and thus didn't change their volume. Volume steps up to 1,5 db are supposed not to be perceptible by the ear. mp3gain can only alter the volume in 1,5 db steps, so RG values of up to 1,5 db can be possible if you analyse already mp3gained files. the target volume is 89 db in both cases, but mp3gain won't ever hit this target exactly, so RG values (up to 1,5 db) are perfectly normal for them.

Whaaa? Doesn't that work both ways? I thought quiet files are boosted in volume...?

So does using MP3Gain simply write the tags for ReplayGain? Or are the two things completely separate? How do I go about getting all my tracks to the same level with Winamp? (never MP3Gained them...). Just use the thing in the send-to menu and hit save album gain? That doesn't have the slightest chance of killing my MP3s, does it?...

[amano]

Yes. In theory it would even boost up quiet files, but normally you will not find many tracks that are that quiet, especially in these times of overcompressed sounds. I just wanted to stress that if they are quiet, they would have probably been mp3gained before.

Mp3gain first calculates the ReplayGain values, but it doesn't write it to a tag but adjusts the volume of the file itself. It is a lossless operation, so no data is lost.

ReplayGain in winamp just adds an info to the tag which shouldn't be riskier than adding the artist info. But, well, in theory any program could kill your files ;)

[bemymonkey]

So since this is a beta... I should just use Foobar2000 to add the tags? Winamp's ReplayGain implementation will read those properly, right?

[osmosis]

the Winamp beta can properly read the ID3v2.4 tags for RG that foobar2k makes, and foobar2k can also read the ID3v2.3 tags that the Winamp beta makes for RG, so you should be able to use either with no problem.

[amano]

Here in the winamp forums, I wouldn't advise you to use foobar, hey!

But as it was told, winamp should be able to read the IDv2.4 tags from foobar now.

I would rather wait for the next beta and help testing out if this feature works ;)

EDIT: Doh! osmosis was fast :rolleyes:

[bemymonkey]

Well, since Winamp apparently can't create the replaygain tags for anything other than MP3s yet, I'll just create those with Foobar2k... and use Winamp to play them, obviously :P... ;)

[DJ Egg]

FYI, Winamp analyzes/writes RG for .mp3, .ogg, .aac & .m4a in the latest internal :-)

[bemymonkey]

Coooooool... is Flac support planned?

[DJ Egg]

Yes, but as explained previously, we're still waiting for the FLAC author to change the licence for the Winamp plugin/source to LGPL (because we can't include any GPL code with the Winamp distro).
Originally posted by Cianca
Transcoding plugin will be integrated by default in WA 5.25? Would be nice, but the answer to that question is currently unknown.

[Cianca]

Media Library: Portable Device Support
Transcoding
Done for Winamp 5.25

What is? :confused:

[DJ Egg]

Transcoding for pmp, eg. if you send an unsupported .ogg to a Zen or iPod it'll transcode it to eg. mp3 or m4a on the fly first.

[YtseJam]

Oh dude that's wicked. Good feature!

[Cianca]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Transcoding for pmp, eg. if you send an unsupported .ogg to a Zen or iPod it'll transcode it to eg. mp3 or m4a on the fly first.


:up:

[{_trueparuex^}]

I love you all Winamp Devs. Though just one whimper. Fullscreen controls have been buggy, since the first version with them. This bug doesn't seems occur as often as it use to in the latest beta, but honestly I am pretty fed up with this bug.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by {_trueparuex^}
I love you all Winamp Devs. Though just one whimper. Fullscreen controls have been buggy, since the first version with them. This bug doesn't seems occur as often as it use to in the latest beta, but honestly I am pretty fed up with this bug.

Heheh, this has been mentioned at least 3 times in this thread already, and nobody seems to care.

It's bugging the hell out of me too :(...

[Koopa]

Heheh, this has been mentioned at least 3 times in this thread already, and nobody seems to care.
Nope, Winamp OSD is buggy since 2.90 (it never really worked 100% for me, heh), but the bug is hard to reproduce, on most systems the OSD seems to work fine and on a few not.

You can just fix bugs, if you are able to reproduce the bug.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
Nope, Winamp OSD is buggy since 2.90 (it never really worked 100% for me, heh), but the bug is hard to reproduce, on most systems the OSD seems to work fine and on a few not.

You can just fix bugs, if you are able to reproduce the bug.

Hard to reproduce?? I've got five systems here (including my roommate's stuff), and they've all got the same OSD bug... Two of the PCs are running XP Home Edition and three are running (two different versions of) XP Pro... I don't see how this bug can be so hard to reproduce if I'm getting it on 5 different kinds of hardware and 2 (3 if you count X64 as a different OS) different OS's...

[Koopa]

I can reproduce it on 2 maschines too, but for most other users it seems to work. Maybe video support don't like German people, who knows? ;)

Important is, that the devs are able to reproduce it on 1 maschine, doesn't matter on how many maschines we can reproduce it.

[Edit]Dro you're to slow :p

[DrO]

because the devs can't repro it. i know benski has done a fair bit of work on the matter but has never really been able to repro the issue his end which obviously makes it hard to try and fix when you can't see what it is you're trying to fix in front of you (generally the worst bug for a coder i think to have)

-daz

[bemymonkey]

Hmmmm... weird heheh. Koopatrooper, you want to PM me your PC specs/Windows data? Maybe we can find some common ground...

[The Earthquaker]

Sorry I cannot read this thread now - out of Internet time (and credit), even save to offline. Will see it later.
Case:

Post (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2018421#post2018421)

[Koopa]

No need for writing 3 postings. DrO already awnsered (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=254322) to your question:

for the moment the fixed version is available in the latest 5.25 beta.
So you've posted in the beta thread too and the bundled JTFE version in the beta is already fixed...:rolleyes:

[Benski]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
Hmmmm... weird heheh. Koopatrooper, you want to PM me your PC specs/Windows data? Maybe we can find some common ground...

Can you send me your webdings font? maybe it differs slightly for the german language? Also, what font are you using for your playlist?

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by Benski
Can you send me your wingdings font? maybe it differs slightly for the german language? Also, what font are you using for your playlist?

I'm running a US English version of XP Pro with nothing German installed whatsoever... And I haven't changed the playlist font from the default. Only one of the systems is running XP Home in German, and the problem appears on all of them... I can get you the Wingdings file from that on Thursday if you want, since that's my roommate's laptop and he's coming back from a vaction then...

I don't think it's because of the font though, because that would probably just change the spacings, etc. And anyway, sometimes the OSD works fine - just every now and then it jumbles up or disappears completely, heheh...

[DJ Egg]

I think the OSD uses Webdings font for the nav buttons (not Wingdings).
Maybe it's missing or something?

And the text uses whatever font you've specified in Prefs > Playlist (which is Arial by default, if you've not unchecked 'use skin font' and you're using Winamp Classic or Winamp Modern skin).

[bemymonkey]

Hmmm... nope, webdings and wingdings are both present, heheh...

[DJ Egg]

The plot thickens

Anyway, send Benski your Webdings font, just to make sure...

Other than that, I'm not sure what else could be causing it.
Some other concurrently running process interfering maybe...?

[Koopa]

Using Winamp's standard settings.

I'll send you the file.
Some other concurrently running process interfering maybe...?
Nope, when I test beta versions or try to reproduce a bug I always make sure that no application runs, which could be the reason for the problem :)

[Benski]

Also, what resolution are you at?

[Koopa]

1024 x 768 32Bit on both maschines.

[Edit]Mail is out

[bemymonkey]

Hmmm... how do I send my font somewhere? I can't even move the damn things to a different folder :P

[bemymonkey]

Weee, found it.

1024x768 on one machine
1280x800 on two
Dual screen 1760x1320 & 1600x1200 on another
1600x1200 on the last

[Koopa]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
Hmmm... how do I send my font somewhere? I can't even move the damn things to a different folder :P
%WINDIR%\Fonts (usually C:\WINDOWS\Fonts)

Search for Webdings.ttf, copy the file, zip the file and then send the file.

Some other people have problems with older releases too:
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=245081&highlight=osd
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=241999&highlight=osd
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1796977#post1796977

[Hanschke]

will be a new release soon? and when will vista support be added? if we can load the rc 1 or until the final comes out?

[OdessaCubbage]

Unicode doesn't display correctly on the taskbar button.. Comes out as ??.

[Rocker]

winamp should work with all flavours of vista already unless microsoft stuffed something up.

[Benski]

Originally posted by Hanschke
will be a new release soon? and when will vista support be added? if we can load the rc 1 or until the final comes out?

There were some issues with Vista Beta 2 and Winamp, but they have been resolved for quite some time (and were Microsoft's fault). Winamp should work perfectly OK on rc1.

[Benski]

Originally posted by OdessaCubbage
Unicode doesn't display correctly on the taskbar button.. Comes out as ??.

Yep, that one is known. Don't expect it to be fixed for final. Sorry :(

[Serpher]

there is a chance to add 96 kHz Mixing rate to in_mod.dll ??

[DJ Egg]

Winamp 5.25 Beta, build 857

Winamp 5.25 Beta Full (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0857_beta_full.exe)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Pro (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0857_beta_pro.exe) (asks for key during install)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Standard (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0857_beta_std.exe) (same as Full but no ML or viz)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Lite (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0857_beta_lite.exe)

* Fixed: crash when aacPlusDecoder.w5s isn't present
* Fixed: Sonic Engine install under Win98SE/ME
* Fixed: ReplayGain preamp resets to -6.0 dB (b843-specific)
* Fixed: ReplayGain info not being saved for files with id3v1 tags only (b843-specific)
* Fixed: [in_mp3] %bitrate% & time display in pledit for mp3 streams (5.25-specific)
* Fixed: [in_wm] freeze on seek with right keyboard cursor (5.25-specific)
* Fixed: [ml_disc] auto add ripped files to mldb (5.25-specific)
* Fixed: [ml_rg] crash on unsupported formats (b843-specific)
* Fixed: [ml_rg] Abort button now working (b843-specific)
* Improved: fixes for video plugin detection
* Improved: [in_mp3] minor id3v2.4 tag reading fixes
* Improved: [in_mod] 24bit/surround/stereo options moved to Prefs > Playback
* Improved: [in_mp3] increased streaming info box size
* New: aac/m4a/ogg replaygain support
* New: [in_mp3] aac/mp3 replaygain in alt+3 dialog box
* New: [ml_pmp] auto-transcoding for incompatible formats
* New: [ml_playlists] added 'playlist entry' and 'read extended info' to menus
* Updated: Sonic Burning/Ripping Library (requires reboot)

[Serpher]

2 min. after post about new build of Winamp i want to download it but links are incorrect o_O

[will]

* New: [ml_pmp] auto-transcoding for incompatible formatsCheck this out guys. I think it's pretty damn awesome.

Example, you have some ogg vorbis files you want sent to your iPod/Zen/Whatever. No more messing around with oggdrop, just right click send to your device and they get automatically converted to mp3 on-the-fly (if you have pro or m4a/wma otherwise). The source files don't get modified.

Of course, you can configure which formats you'd prefer your music to be encoded to, and tweak the individual settings of the encoders. These settings will be kept separate from your cd rip settings. Just check the portables preferences page.

[DJ Egg]

ps. Ooh, look what I found...

FLAC plugin with ml & transcoder support
http://stashbox.org/uploads/1156258877/in_flac.dll

(note: looks like there's no rg support yet though, heh)

[Koopa]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
ps. Ooh, look what I found...

FLAC plugin with ml & transcoder support
http://stashbox.org/uploads/1156258877/in_flac.dll
Lol, this is good Egg, really good. :D :up:


Just for people, who don't know where to find the result of the Ogg Vorbis RG scan.

Winamp writes the values in the vorbis comment field, like VorbisGain.exe does.

You have to uncheck "Hide special fields" to see the values.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9589/unbenanntks1.th.png (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenanntks1.png)

[Serpher]

* Improved: [in_mod] 24bit/surround/stereo options moved to Prefs > Playback
huh :weird: and all these options are in those:
24bit -> "Allow 24bit",
surround -> "Allow surround sound",
stereo -> ???
because i don't see those old options in Prefs > Playback

PS.
Why computer must be rebooted after Winamp b857 installation?

PS2.
sry if i flooding my question but...
Winamp > in_mod.dll will be support 96 kHz mixing rate?

[DJ Egg]

'stereo' is enabled by default. To disable it checkmark 'force mono'.
Other than that, in_mod now uses the same 'allow 24bit' and 'allow surround sound' options in Prefs > Playback that all of in_mp3, in_vorbis, in_wave & in_mp4 use.

_______________________________________________________


Re: reboot* Updated: Sonic Burning/Ripping Library (requires reboot)
Note, Winamp will still work without the need to reboot, but Burning and Ripping with Sonic won't (ripping with ASPI will work ok).
Of course, if you uncheck 'Sonic Burning/Ripping Support' in the installer options, then you won't be prompted to reboot.

_______________________________________________________

Re: 96 KHz for in_mod
Sorry, but feature requests go in the Wishlist.

[BugMaster]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
ps. Ooh, look what I found...

FLAC plugin with ml & transcoder support
http://stashbox.org/uploads/1156258877/in_flac.dll

(note: looks like there's no rg support yet though, heh)
This version is old. On Author's Website there is version 1.1.2a (based on last 1.1.2 flac lib)

[Sawg]

But that version doesn't support the ML or transcoding, IIRC.

[DrO]

and of course, isn't something better than nothing??

-daz

[A Crazy German]

* New: [in_mp3] aac/mp3 replaygain in alt+3 dialog box

Whats this do?

[DrO]

it shows the replaygain info from mp3 files (is added in at the bottom of the id3v2 part of the alt+3 (file info) dialog

-daz

[BugMaster]

Originally posted by Sawg
But that version doesn't support the ML or transcoding, IIRC.
I mean this (http://www.facquet.com/en/projects-4/winamp-plug-ins-9/flac-bundle-65/flac-input-67/download-78.html) Author's Website. And it support ML and transcoding.

[DJ Egg]

afaik, that version does NOT have support for the latest Transcoder v2.0 (http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~wdhf2/transcoder/) (which uses the new native transcoding api in Winamp 5.25), whereas that mysterious plugin I found does ;-)

And to quote the page you linked to...

"The following source files correspond to my modified plugin v1.1.1. As soon as the testing period for the plug-in v1.1.2 is over, I’ll publish the sources here."

"It’s to be merged with the FLAC 1.1.1 source package."

In other words, the mysterious new plugin must be based on the 1.1.1 source, because the 1.1.2x source isn't available, and apparently M Flacquet has disappeared off the face of the earth and is currently unreachable - and he says on that page that the code should be merged with flac 1.1.1, heh.

[A Crazy German]

Originally posted by DrO
it shows the replaygain info from mp3 files (is added in at the bottom of the id3v2 part of the alt+3 (file info) dialog

-daz

Is it used for any thing at all?

[DrO]

yes, it shows the replaygain values (if in the file being viewed). no offence but it does exactly what it says - shows the replaygain info of the track.

-daz

[A Crazy German]

But is it of use to the average user? Who is this usefull for people editing stuff? Should everyone get their stuff done to see the replaygain values?

[DrO]

replaygain has been explained in detail a page or two back in this thread. if you're not aware of what it is then i'd suggest a read/search of the internet to find out some more info. as for how useful, it's just 2 edit boxes at the bottom of a dialog so it's not going to be the end of the world if you never use it.

-daz

[DJ Egg]

It's useful for people who apply replaygain to their mp3's.
If you don't apply rg (via: right-click files in ml or pledit > send to > calculate replaygain) then, unless some other rg scanner has applied the info, those fields will be blank in the ID3 Tag Editor.

If you don't know what ReplayGain is/does, then see here (http://replaygain.org).

[A Crazy German]

Thanks that what i wanted to know :)

[amano]

Well. I guess the last thing to be desired for the die-hard winamp fan would be an enc_flac plugin which works with the transcoder...

Is there any known (3rd party?) solution?

well, then happy transcoding.

(but remember --> TRANSCODING is EVIL, just for those who don't know ;) )

[STanger]

flac or wav to whatever isn't ev|l, or is it?

[will]

Originally posted by amano
Well. I guess the last thing to be desired for the die-hard winamp fan would be an enc_flac plugin which works with the transcoder... http://www.winamp.com/plugins/browse.php?category=12

[amano]

Originally posted by STanger
flac or wav to whatever isn't ev|l, or is it?

:D Well, if they transform to a lossy codec, then indeed because you lose file information that cannot be restored by transcoding back to flac or wave. This has to be understood. I know a lot of people that burn their mp3s for backup reasons to audio cds and rip it back to their hd if they need it (in MP3 format of course). They don't know of their evil cruelty.

But you are right: Transcoding from one lossy format to another is absolutely the worst idea around (sacrificing a lot of quality). But for portable uses it might be necessary sometimes...


@will: thanks a lot. I will give it a try (tomorrow).

[EmuChicken]

I know its a known bug, but when you drag albums with japanese characters within the mp3s, they dont go into the media library- but DOES work if you throw em in the playlist- any clue to when this will be cleared up? (major problem IMO)

Good job on the updating though! Some new nifty features!

[Aura89]

This bug i've noticed since the first 5.25, at least i think it's a bug, i don't really know how to explain it, but under the Misc - File Info, where you get all of the MP3's info, there's a missing line, the first line under "MPEG Info", and that line is how big the file is, ever since i got the first 5.25 build it's been like this

[DJ Egg]

You are not wrong. The "Size: x bytes" line is indeed missing.
This will be fixed for the next beta / final. Thanks.

[alex_gamer]

In the latest build (build 857), my three problems (1 , 2 (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2012243#post2012243), and 3 (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2017241#post2017241)) are still there.

[DJ Egg]

In the first link you said you'd post a screenshot, but didn't.
Alas, we have no idea what you're talking about.

See the Notes in the first post for #3

[alex_gamer]

i could've sworn that i attached a screen shot.

oh, for #3, im running a clean install of winamp.

[DJ Egg]

#2 isn't 5.25-specific. It's been like that since the very first 5.0
and is a modern skin / scrollbar related issue.

I'm not sure what I'm meant to be looking at for #1
but whatever it is, I'm pretty certain that I can't reproduce it.
You probably just need to resize the ml window a bit, or something.

And for #3, I've got the same problem with my main install (which is an upgrade and with loads of extra plugins) but can't reproduce it on a clean install. Both Benski & DrO said they couldn't repro it, and a few others also said they couldn't repro it when you first reported it a few pages back.

[alex_gamer]

when i first noticed it (#1), i changed to the classic skin and resized it to repro. it and the same thing happened. I'll attach a pic for that.

[MrX_1980]

hello

as you can see, the uninstaller (build 843) shows "Execute: C:\Programme\Audio\Winamp5\Winamp /UNREG"
But my installation folder is C:\Programme\Audio\Winamp5\

Is it right or a bug?

[Squashed]

Sorry for the dumb question, but just to make sure I understood the Replay Gain thing right:
when I wipe the id3v2 infos in my files (e.g. with a third-party application) and keep only the id3v1 tags, the replay gain settings are gone (so having only id3v1 wouldn't be a good idea)?
And when I set a new Replay Gain on only-id3v1-files an id3v2 tag is added?

[ujay]

Originally posted by MrX_1980
hello

as you can see, the uninstaller (build 843) shows "Execute: C:\Programme\Audio\Winamp5\Winamp /UNREG"
But my installation folder is C:\Programme\Audio\Winamp5\

Is it right or a bug? It's referring to 'C:\Programme\Audio\Winamp5\Winamp.exe' - i.e. the main winamp program rather than a path.

UJ

[.lennon]

There is NO WAY to create\play library playlists with cyrillic filepaths in all betas from 1 to 7. It makes betas useless for me. There was no such problem in 5.24. PLEASE FIX IT, or if it is not a bug - tell me how to correct it in preferences.

[DrO]

that's because the media library is not unicode aware and you'll have to wait for whenever the updated media library is shipped (which won't be with 5.25 and there's no eta - it'll be done when it's done).

-daz

[.lennon]

well, thanks Winamp stuff for care about users in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and such :) . We will wait the next wersion with FULLY CORRECT unicode features and use 5.24.

[YtseJam]

Just wanted to point out that 5.25's changelog is ridiculously long. :D
Not that it's a bad a thing! It's great! :D

[DrO]

.lennon: ml_local has been on feature hold for a while until the new version is implemented which will hopefully handle unicode, etc correctly. staying with 5.24 seems pretty stupid to do if you're looking for better unicode handling since at least the main winamp core is now unicode compatible (and when 5.25 is released you essentially loose tech support for 5.24 since only the current version will be supported)

YtseJam: just a bit ;)

-daz

[.lennon]

yes, 525 it has a lot of great new feateres, but i can't use it because of problem above. library playlists is too useful for me. i have a great collection of 181 Gb mp3 & others, and it makes necessary library playlists feature for me.

[bemymonkey]

Great... I found a horrible bug :'(...

In build 857, connecting my Creative MuvoTX MP3 player causes Winamp to freeze - COMPLETELY. Only way to get it working again is to end the process and remove the MP3 player...

Just uninstalled everything to test this with a clean install and it's still there.

It was working fine in the build before 857 iirc.

[will]

bemymonkey: close winamp, delete any tag_cache.xml file (which may be hidden) on the Muvo and start winamp

[bemymonkey]

W00T!

Thanks for the tip... is there a better way to solve this? i.e. Winamp doing it automatically?

What caused it not to function, anyway?...

By the way... Transcoder rocks. Is there a way to get it to show a progress window or something like that? :D

[DrO]

Originally posted by .lennon
yes, 525 it has a lot of great new feateres, but i can't use it because of problem above. library playlists is too useful for me. i have a great collection of 181 Gb mp3 & others, and it makes necessary library playlists feature for me. well going on what you've said, 5.24 should exhibit the same issue so it shouldn't really matter then as to what version you're running.

-daz

[Squashed]

I found that when I open either the Stream Info Box or the id3-tag editor the dialogs are placed over the Winamp main window, covering it and aligning with its top border.
Don't know if this started with 5.25beta or 5.24.

Is this by design? In earlier versions the windows remembered their location-setting

[DJ Egg]

Are you sure that's not just because you were using DrO's OS Pos Restorer plugin with 5.24?

[Squashed]

Yes, never heard about that one. Do I remember wrong and that never worked? Whatever, if Dr. O's plugin helps I'll give it a try.

Edit: Just installed. Works for the preferences window, but not for the two windows mentioned above.

Another thing I noticed while testing Replay Gain:
I selected 13 files in my playlist and pressed "Send to - Calculate Replay Gain".
I got a window saying "Calculation Replay Gain", finally there were a window "Replay Gain Results".
This one contained 4 songs. After that I got further "Replay Gain Results"-windows for each other song; so I ended up with 10 results windows.
Wrong handling on my side?

[etlgfx]

Thanks for adding the UMS drive support! It works really smoothly!

Only one thing though, my entire music library is on a large UMS drive, so everytime winamp starts it tries to scan the entire drive for music files as if it were an MP3 player.

Is there currently any way to flag a number of drive letters so they won't be scanned (and cause several minutes of delay)?

If not, will there be?

This could just be a list of driveletter checkboxes like powertoys XP's autoplay drive list, or in the existing configuration panel, you could add a checkbox that is context sensitive to each drive from the pull down?

[Logy]

the typo found on winamp preferences in portables section in tab transcoding... you found first typo and second when you click the advanced settings - Compatable instead Compatible! i feel it not compatible to me, heheee (just jokin'!)
adios!

[Benski]

Originally posted by Squashed
Another thing I noticed while testing Replay Gain:
I selected 13 files in my playlist and pressed "Send to - Calculate Replay Gain".
I got a window saying "Calculation Replay Gain", finally there were a window "Replay Gain Results".
This one contained 4 songs. After that I got further "Replay Gain Results"-windows for each other song; so I ended up with 10 results windows.
Wrong handling on my side?

It displays a results window for each album it encounters (as well as a results window for all songs without an album tag)

[DrO]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Are you sure that's not just because you were using DrO's OS Pos Restorer plugin with 5.24? that plugin doesn't handle those dialogs in anyway just to clarify (well they shouldn't be)

-daz

[DrO]

Originally posted by Logy
the typo found on winamp preferences in portables section in tab transcoding... you found first typo and second when you click the advanced settings - Compatable instead Compatible! i feel it not compatible to me, heheee (just jokin'!)
adios! that's cambridge graduates for you :p

-daz

[alexjoey]

Hello, on this 857 build I'm noticing on ML that EJECT right-clic doesn't work, but Eject button does.:)

[mrym]

Originally posted by DrO
well going on what you've said, 5.24 should exhibit the same issue so it shouldn't really matter then as to what version you're running.

-daz 5.24's ml playlist can handle foreign character's file name, if your system language is set to what you want to display. (in my case, japanese)
but 5.25 vanishes japanese file/dir name from the ml's playlist.

it is 5.25 specific problem.

so people who depend on ml's playlist might be confused.

[DJ Egg]

@alexjoey
Confirmed, "rt-click > eject cd" is broken. Thanks.
(also, Play & Enqueue are reversed if 'Enqueue' is set as default in ML Prefs).

@Logy
Yup, we already noticed the 'incompatible' typo yesterday. Bad Will ;-)

@myrm / .lennon
I guess that'll need looking into then. Thanks.

@Squashed / DrO
Ohh, right you are, my bad. OS Pos Restorer plugin doesn't touch the File Info dialogs. So I'm not sure what the crack is there, heh. I just tried 5.24 and behaviour is exactly the same.

[Koopa]

Hello, on this 857 build I'm noticing on ML that EJECT right-clic doesn't work, but Eject button does.
I can confirm this.

[Logy]

DrO:
thanks... when i can collect that certificates.. hehehe!
any way thanks for new plugins...
it will nice if you can make the new system of winamp icons (default+custom, using built in plugins... not the Powertoys), the community would support this! (heh, i can make the icons using the some software, if no one take it to make it the icon!)
Take the time, not to rush, or you can pm me to discuss this! (i'm just finnish studied the basic of C++ programing, and have some idea to figure out about the icon)
adios!

[TheUniqueTiger]

I installed build 857 over 843 (installer taking settings from prev installation) and was surprised to find an error message at the end of the installation.
The message said:
"The application has failed to start as a required file MSVCP71.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem."

After dispensing the message Winamp shows up and there is no noticeable difference in playback and usual features.
But what is this file & why has it popped up now? I confirm there was no such message before in 5.24 or any of previous 5.25 betas. And also is this causing any background deficit in any of the features?

[DJ Egg]

Hmm, looks like msvcp71 is linked dynamically in in_mp4.
Do m4a (mp4 audio files) play ok for you?
I assume not, and that in_mp4 isn't even listed under Prefs > Plugins > Input.
Should be fixed for next build / final. Thanks.

[TheUniqueTiger]

Yes, got it right. There is no in_mp4.dll in Prefs->Input. Also I don't have any mp4/m4a files atm. Why is this file required in relation to mp4/m4a? I suppose its got to do sth with latest beta build.

[DJ Egg]

It's not actually required. It's just the way in_mp4 was (erroneously) compiled.

[Desides]

I used mp3gain to add album gain information to a set of mp3s, then loaded them into Winamp. When I open the file info menu (alt+3), the track/album gain fields are empty. Did I goof up, or is this a bug?

[Benski]

Originally posted by Desides
I used mp3gain to add album gain information to a set of mp3s, then loaded them into Winamp. When I open the file info menu (alt+3), the track/album gain fields are empty. Did I goof up, or is this a bug?

MP3Gain works a little differently than replaygain. MP3Gain adjusts the MP3 data to produce the desired volume change. Replay Gain just stores information in the file that the player users to adjust the volume after it decodes the file.

[Desides]

So I goofed up, then.

What's the recommended method of applying Replay Gain? Does Winamp have a built-in RG application feature?

[amano]

Yep. From now on you can calculate the Values and apply it to the tags of some formats via the "Send To" right click menu in the ML

[Desides]

The Media Library's required? Drat. I never use the ML... well, I guess I'll start now. Thanks for the tip.

[DJ Egg]

You can also access the rg scanner via the playlist rt-click menu (send to > calculate replay gain), but yeah, the media library is required because the rg scanner is an ml plugin (ml_rg.dll).

[DrO]

if you really don't need the ml then gen_ml.dll + ml_rg.dll should be all that's needed (and it doesn't add any real excess to your install :) ) - will need to be checked but i'm sure that would work.

-daz

[winamp_nation]

wow, i've been watching this development for awhile now, and i really can't wait for the final product.

Keep up the good work dev and community.

[alexjoey]

I hope that the restarting with this build-857 installation will remain exceptional if not that would be a pity because it is on 98 that one starts again for the least thing, not on XP.

Let us be patient for a final build.

[DrO]

the restart is needed if you've installed/updated the sonic burning engine (which is also meant to fix issues on Win98 i believe). you can keep using winamp without the reboot but the sonic burning/ripping side of things won't work until the next system reboot (aspi interfaces would be used instead). and i'm sure this is noted in the first post of this thread somewhere :)

-daz

[alexjoey]

I had already read this, yes, I just protested to hope that next builds will not have to propose nor to have a justification to a reboot. Afflicted to have taken to you of your time, thank you still.:)

[DJ Egg]

First time installers of the Sonic update will still need to reboot before they can use those features. If you've already installed the Sonic Engine update from b857 and rebooted then you won't be prompted to reboot again in any later builds....

(continued in the post below) :-D

[CraigF]

unless, of course, sonic is updated once more.

[YtseJam]

nm

[bemymonkey]

Weird... Since 857 (I think... could be longer) a few of my MP3s are showing up twice in the media library... two ML entries per file. What's going on? Anybody else experiencing this? It's only happening with relatively few files...

What I've noticed about the files:

1. They've all got both ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags at least partially filled out
2. None of them have track numbers in either of the tags

Could this have something to do with it?

[naumaxos]

what i was talking about:when you queue a song (or multiple) in the playlist and you add a song above it (somewhere) in the playlist the queue list is cleared.it didn't happen with 5.24

[DJ Egg]

Ahh, now ^that^ I can reproduce.

Load a playlist, add eg. entries 10-20 to the queue
then drag+drop an mp3 from explorer to eg. position # 5 in the playlist.
The queue list is cleared and the newly added file becomes #1 in the queue.

edit: hmm, the newly added file only becomes #1 in the queue if it was already one of the files in the queue (ie. a duplicate). Otherwise, the first item in the queue seems to retain its "#1 in the queue" position, but the rest of the queue is cleared.

Note that the problem doesn't exist if you add a file below the queued entries, only if it's above.

[will]

Originally posted by Juanus
*caugh* sync all button *cough* http://stashbox.org/uploads/1157058489/Winamp_Preferences.png
Happy now?

[Juanus]

MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!
thanks Will.... Thank You Thank You.

Now lets test this baby out!

[bemymonkey]

Any ideas about the duplicate ML entries?... I'm wondering if I'll have to nuke my entire library and start over (All those ratings... noooooooooooooooooooooooooo)...

btw... is there a way to export (rather... backup) the ratings without exporting the whole media library data?

[Benski]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
Any ideas about the duplicate ML entries?... I'm wondering if I'll have to nuke my entire library and start over (All those ratings... noooooooooooooooooooooooooo)...

If you hit Alt+3 on the files, do they have the same filename? Maybe one of them has short filenames (e.g. abcdef~1.mp3) and the other has long filenames?

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by Benski
If you hit Alt+3 on the files, do they have the same filename? Maybe one of them has short filenames (e.g. abcdef~1.mp3) and the other has long filenames?

That's the weird thing - everything in the two ID3 windows is EXACTLY the same. As far as I can tell both ML entries are pointing to the exact same file... Changing something in one ID3 window changes it in the other too... Really strange. I'm sure it's only started happening recently though, no earlier than two days ago...

[DJ Egg]

I can reproduce this weird "duplicate mldb entries" issue.

There doesn't seem to be any pattern to which entries are duplicated (some have tags, some don't, some are mp3, some are wma/ogg/m4a, some filenames have all alphanumeric english characters, etc).

What I do know though is that when I restore a backup of main.dat and main.idx from July and use NDE.DLL from 5.24 with 5.25, then the problem doesn't occur when I rescan Watch Folders.

The main reason why I haven't noticed any problem is because I haven't actually rescanned my Watch Folders for months (mainly 'cos it takes ages to scan ~30,000 files). I've just been using "pledit > rt-click > send to > add to library" for any new files recently, heh.

So yes, there's definitely an issue here with NDE.DLL

(Winamp\nde.dll = Nullsoft Database Engine - for those who didn't know)

[Benski]

868 Winamp 5.25 Beta, build 868

Winamp 5.25 Beta Full (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0868_beta_full.exe)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Pro (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0868_beta_pro.exe) (asks for key during install)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Standard (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0868_beta_std.exe) (same as Full but no ML or viz)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Lite (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0868_beta_lite.exe)

___________________________________________________________________


Changes between b857 and b868

* New: [ml_pmp] automatically sync your ml playlists with your portable device
* New: Core Media Library Components subcategory in the installer options
* Improved: [in_mp3] faster mp3 replay gain scanning
* Improved: Filenames now shown for Gen & ML plugins in Prefs
* Fixed: [ml_playlists] non-english filenames fix
* Fixed: [ml_disc] CD view right-click menu options
* Fixed: [ml_pmp] various fixes based on crash reports
* Fixed: [in_mp3] "Size: x bytes" data missing in File Info box
* Fixed: [in_mp4] msvcp71.dll dependency
* Fixed: a few reported typos in prefs
* Fixed: duplicate media library entries bug (unfortunately your old duplicate entries will still exist)

Known bugs/issues:
(will all be fixed for next build)
* ReplayGain Scanner is broken for .ogg (fixed in_vorbis.dll - download (http://forums.winamp.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=2021078) | info (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2021078#post2021078))
* The WMA encoder configuration is currently a mess. We added in Lossless, VBR & 1/2-pass options, but things are a bit quirky. The encoder itself *does* work, just it's really tough to configure :-)
* The small "Send Info" window that appears after installation is colored incorrectly.
* The installer says 'custom' instead of 'previous installation' (on upgrades)
* Core ML Components is unchecked in the installer on clean Full installs (doh!)
* The [filenames] for gen & ml plugins in Prefs should be preceded by two extra spaces (like on the other Prefs > Plugins pages). Also note that this breaks DrO's One For Nunz plugin, though a new fixed version of gen_nunzio (http://www.nunzioweb.com/daz/files/One_for_Nunz_v2_2a.exe) is now available (for people using said plugin).

[niktheguru]

Good work guys, love it.

[YtseJam]

* New: Core Media Library Components subcategory in the installer options :D

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
I can reproduce this weird "duplicate mldb entries" issue.

There doesn't seem to be any pattern to which entries are duplicated (some have tags, some don't, some are mp3, some are wma/ogg/m4a, some filenames have all alphanumeric english characters, etc).

What I do know though is that when I restore a backup of main.dat and main.idx from July and use NDE.DLL from 5.24 with 5.25, then the problem doesn't occur when I rescan Watch Folders.

The main reason why I haven't noticed any problem is because I haven't actually rescanned my Watch Folders for months (mainly 'cos it takes ages to scan ~30,000 files). I've just been using "pledit > rt-click > send to > add to library" for any new files recently, heh.

So yes, there's definitely an issue here with NDE.DLL

(Winamp\nde.dll = Nullsoft Database Engine - for those who didn't know)

Is there a way to make a list of the files via a clever query? I.E. some way to show duplicate entries only? Might be easier to find similarities between the files then...

[YtseJam]

I've been wondering about something...

What do lame_enc, enc_lame do? I always remove them from the plug-ins folder and out_wave as well.

Why do they get extracted?

[DJ Egg]

@bemymonkey
I...don't...really...know...
The bug is fixed in latest beta. Alas, these things happen with beta software, heh.

@YtseJam
enc_lame is the MP3 Encoder plugin (for cd ripping & transcoding), and lame_enc is the actual Lame Encoder.

out_wave (WaveOut Output plugin) is installed by default.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
@bemymonkey
I...don't...really...know...
The bug is fixed in latest beta. Alas, these things happen with beta software, heh.

It's fixed? Awesome. :)

[DJ Egg]

Yes, see the 868 changelog above :-)

Alas, unless you've got an older backup of your main.dat and main.idx that you can restore, then you'll be stuck with the duplicate entries, unless you manually locate and remove them, heh.

[bemymonkey]

Whoops, didn't see that. I think I've still got an older backup in my laptop's recycling bin hahah. :-)...

[Koopa]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
out_wave (WaveOut Output plugin) is installed by default.
I guess he means, that the installer should have an option for not installing out_wave, because for most 2000/XP systems it isn't needed. :)

[bemymonkey]

Hmmm... guess that database backup wasn't old enough, I'm stuck with the duplicates. One problem with that though - I can't delete the duplicates from the media library.

Hitting delete doesn't do anything, and neither does right-clicking and hitting Remove From Library. Nothing happens at all. Right-clicking and hitting "Physically Remove Selected..." doesn't work either, that just causes the view to refresh.

Deleting (both from the library and from the hard drive) works fine on the files that don't have duplicates...

-edit- And sometimes three versions of the file show up instead of two now. But the third one is always removable while the two others aren't. WTF?

[YtseJam]

Just like unicow.dll isn't installed anymore by default for 2K/XP, I suppose the same can be easily done for out_wave.

@YtseJam
enc_lame is the MP3 Encoder plugin (for cd ripping & transcoding), and lame_enc is the actual Lame Encoder.What if I don't want any ripping/transcoding in my Winamp? :P

[Koopa]

What if I don't want any ripping/transcoding in my Winamp? :P
Just uncheck "MP3 Encoding" under "Audio File Support" in the installer. (should work, but I haven' tested it) ;)

[Trent187]

When I click "Full" in the installer, Core Media Library Components subcategory in the installer options isn't automatically checked. I have to do it manually.

[DJ Egg]

@YtseJam
If you don't want enc_lame/lame_enc to be installed, uncheck "MP3 Encoding" under the "Audio Support" section of the installer options. Hi Koopatrooper

And yes, I agree that WaveOut isn't needed under Win2k/XP, but what happens if some n00b unchecks "DirectSound Output" under the "Extra Audio Output/Effect Support" section? Then there'll be no output plugin for playback at all. So out_wave is there as a default fallback. Sure, maybe it should be that out_wave is the default fallback on Win9x and out_ds on Win2k/XP... but hey, for the sake of a few kilobytes and all the extra work it entails, is it really that important anyway?

@bemymonkey
I think you'll find that if you rt-click a dupe entry and select 'remove from library' it actually removes the original entry first, not the dupe. It should remove the dupe entry on the 2nd attempt, or at least it did for me.
All I can say is "tf it's fixed for 5.25 final".

[Koopa]

Originally posted by Trent187
When I click "Full" in the installer, Core Media Library Components subcategory in the installer options isn't automatically checked. I have to do it manually.
Yep I can confirm this. Also noted that uninstaller doesn't delete System\filereader.w5s
but what happens if some n00b unchecks "DirectSound Output" under the "Extra Audio Output/Effect Support" section?
Then DirectSound output should be installed by default on all 2000/XP systems and out_wave by defult on all Win98/Me systems. :)

[DJ Egg]

D'oh!

(re: installer)

_____________________________


Bleh

(re: out_wave)

[YtseJam]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
Just uncheck "MP3 Encoding" under "Audio File Support" in the installer. (should work, but I haven' tested it) ;)

Right, my bad in this case. :)
Only thing left is the out_wave! :p

Sure, maybe it should be that out_wave is the default fallback on Win9x and out_ds on Win2k/XP... but hey, for the sake of a few kilobytes and all the extra work it entails, is it really that important anyway?And that's actually a good idea. And yes, everything's important! Efficieny goes a long way! :P

[unknown12]

When is the genres part of the media library coming? I really need it :(

[djsolidsnake86]

guys, you can add in final versione the playlist sidecar?
please, please, please!

[TheUniqueTiger]

Is the RG scanning for Ogg files broken in the latest beta (b868)? I've tested MP3 files and it works fine & faster, but was disappointed to find RG scanning broken for Ogg files.
Please fix it for the next build.

PS: I've not tested any other format as I dont have any m4a/aac.

[DJ Egg]

Ahh crappenhausen. Right you are. ReplayGain analysis for .ogg is certainly broken in this build. How the hell did that happen?

[ki1ooo]

wrong bitrate in winamp 5.25

Hi,

I downloaded winamp 5.25 beta 868 recently and noticed a little bug in the bitrate calculation.

When "Show average bitrate on VBR files" is checked winamp displays for example 191kb/s on 192kb mp3´s...
VBR-mp3`s are often 1kbit short. (255kb on a 256kb file)
When the box is unchecked the problem dissapears...

Is just my mp3´s or do you guys experience the same thing?

/Johan

___________

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by ki1ooo
wrong bitrate in winamp 5.25

Hi,

I downloaded winamp 5.25 beta 868 recently and noticed a little bug in the bitrate calculation.

When "Show average bitrate on VBR files" is checked winamp displays for example 191kb/s on 192kb mp3´s...
VBR-mp3`s are often 1kbit short. (255kb on a 256kb file)
When the box is unchecked the problem dissapears...

Is just my mp3´s or do you guys experience the same thing?

/Johan

___________


Happens on mine too... always thought it was normal though...

[amano]

@the two previous posters:
I don't get what you mean, but calculating an average of 191 kbps on file where others calculate 192 kbps seems to be perfectly fine for me. It is just a calculated average sum, nothing scientifical.


@Output plugins:
Since most people use a some flavour of NT/2000/2003/XP/Vista these days...
wouldn't it be more logical to make DirectSound the default plugin? To protect the majority of the winamp users to deselect the recommended output for their system?

And thanks for hooking up the core ML components (since I was begging the most for it).

@Transcoder/Flac plugin:
Is there any decision already on if they will ship with the final winamp? Personally I hope so. Both work simply great.

@in_midi: Will this be enabled to use the transcoder as well? If you decide to fiddle with that plugin, maybe the default midi mode could be switched to "DirectMusic/MS Synth (with output)" as well. Since it was the only mode to work with the discwriter, it would probably be the best mode to work with the transcoder.

[ki1ooo]

I don't get what you mean, but calculating an average of 191 kbps on file where others calculate 192 kbps seems to be perfectly fine for me. It is just a calculated average sum, nothing scientifical.

Sorry man...

I mean 192 kbit/s, that is CBR at 192. BUT Winamp displays 191 kbbit even when the bitrate is constant.

Isn´t that weird?

It happens when music is encoded with the lame encoder...

/Johan

[DrO]

Fixed in_vorbis so you can use replaygain scanning of ogg files in b868 is attached (only thing is this doesn't have the fish game in it so we could get it on as a forums attachment).

-daz

[amano]

There is a fish game in it? *eek*

[jmbattle]

Goodness, now I am curious... do tell!

Keep up the great work chaps.
Cheers,
James
x

[DJ Egg]

In the in_vorbis About box, you can click the fish to make it spin.
There's an old thread somewhere, where everyone posted screenshots to see who could get the highest rpm (edit -> here (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=217330)).

However, the game isn't in the attached dll above because we needed to (temporarily) strip something out of it to get the rar filesize down to less than 100KB so it can be attached here. I did however upload the full version earlier to sendspace (http://www.sendspace.com/file/6kpgy3) - which, by posting the link here, kinda now defeats the whole object, heh.

[EmuChicken]

Foreign characters arent all fixed, the media library still cant add the file "01 サパイブ.mp3" to it :/

[DJ Egg]

And it could in 5.24 ?
The media library... as in Local Media database, or ML Playlists, or both?
Windows OS? What language is it? Is support for that language installed? etc
Please be specific! (your reply below is still a bit vague, heh).

[EmuChicken]

It displays if you drag the file into the playlist, but filenames with characters dont get added when I dragged the whole mp3 directory (or file) into the Media Library.

(edit) note: this problems been with Winamp since its first release

Ah, also when this mp3 is played (or any with japanese characters) the mp3 name is not displayed in the center of winamp, maybe cos of a font incompatibility? - can see it in the tray if I hover over the WA icon

*edit* : ... The filename works in winamp when the oldskin is used... so Im guessing its a problem with the font.. Just thought to let you know :)

[mrym]

* Fixed: [ml_playlists] non-english filenames fix
thanks:) working fine here:up:

[osmosis]

maybe a little installer bug here. i unchecked every encoder except for WMA (didn't notice it), but both enc_wma and enc_aacplus were installed. double checked and aac was definitly unchecked so shouldn't have been installed.

[Serpher]

Originally posted by ki1ooo

I mean 192 kbit/s, that is CBR at 192. BUT Winamp displays 191 kbbit even when the bitrate is constant.

Isn´t that weird?

It happens when music is encoded with the lame encoder...


Yeah, it's weird... now Winamp shows only that bitrate who's in MPEG Info Box... Previously bitrate wasn't constant but dynamic...

/All this happen of course if you turn on "Show average bitrate on VBR files".

[alexjoey]

Thanks for this b868 and the new core media library components choice.
I will continue to testing but I'm noticing mms:// webTV streams which have worked fine all time, here they're dumping winamp :confused:. My internet connection is always very well, so here I am.

[ki1ooo]

Yeah, it's weird... now Winamp shows only that bitrate who's in MPEG Info Box... Previously bitrate wasn't constant but dynamic...

Often, the bitrate in the Info Box is the correct one.
When music is encoded in 192kbit CBR the info box indicates correct, but the bitrate indicator in winamp on the right side of the spectrum analyser is different.

It´s a small bug, I know, but it is annoying.. ;)

[alexjoey]

Hello, in this b868 when winamp is re-buffering 23% 50% of an mms Windows Media Video web stream (I don't have permission to give you address of this stream), before it didn't freezed winamp, now it's freezing without dumping and I'm retrieving control of my winamp buttons.

:igor: Here I want to change to an other mms://webTV listed in my playlist and it's freezing winamp because it wasn't able to quit stream's playing.

[bemymonkey]

Build 868 is crashing during ID3 tag editing again... This time without the "illegal operation" message - Winamp simply closes. Only happens when using the Edit function for multiple files in the ML...

[DJ Egg]

Hmm, I've not been able to reproduce either of those yet.

I've just tried eg. editing multiple albums by the same artist, and even had one of the containing dir's open in Explorer at the time, and there's been no silent crash so far...

And mms:// video streams are playing fine too.

Anyone else?

[bemymonkey]

Hmm, just happened again.

Winamp client version: 5.25 build 868 Beta
Winamp caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005)
in module gen_ff.dll at 001b:1a19751a.

Exception handler called in Winamp.

WHat's gen_ff.dll?

[alexjoey]

all is OK :up: winamp 5.25 b868 rocks:up:

[YtseJam]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
WHat's gen_ff.dll? Modern skinning engine.

[bemymonkey]

What, so editing ID3 tags is causing the GUI to freak? That sounds sorta weird, lol.

Another thing, bit OT though - Is there a way to get the media library to show all files without replaygain? I.e. is there a switch for the ML queries concerning the replaygain field, for use with isnotempty or isempty?

[Bubba Smith]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
What, so editing ID3 tags is causing the GUI to freak?Nope. Not for me. I'm using Beta build 868 and no such problem. Can not reproduce. Are you certain that you have absolutely nothing (no 3rd-party plugin or Modern skin) installed, other than what is pre-bundled with the Beta?

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by Bubba Smith
Nope. Not for me. I'm using Beta build 868 and no such problem. Can not reproduce. Are you certain that you have absolutely nothing (no 3rd-party plugin or Modern skin) installed, other than what is pre-bundled with the Beta?

Yeap... :(

I'm gonna try another clean install and rebuild the ML database... maybe that'll help.

-edit- Didn't help. It just crashed again, and this time I wasn't even editing tags specifically, I just hit Alt+3 to view a file's metadata and the damn thing just crashed... :(

[DJ Egg]

And the crash is always in gen_ff.dll?
Using Winamp Full install, with nothing deselected in the installer?
And you totally wiped the Winamp folder before reinstalling?
No 3rd-party plugins/skins/langpacks whatsoever?
The crash only happens with mp3, not other formats?
Remind us of your Windows OS and basic sys specs again, please.
I can't get it to crash no matter how hard I try.

[bemymonkey]

I wiped EVERYTHING, didn't even restore my winamp.ini or ML database backups...

I'm running XP Pro SP2 on an A64 X2 3800+ with 2 gigs of RAM. Audigy2ZS, nVidia graphics. Could it be another program that's causing it to crash? I'm gonna try this on my laptop and see if I can repro there.

[DJ Egg]

Yeah, let us know... maybe attach a hjt log?

btw, does this mean that there's no crash when using the Classic skin (ie. it only crashes when using Modern skin)?

[kearnemj]

ok i found something reallllly strange, i realize it could be a million things but maybe someone else can reproduce this. using the latest beta i have noticed that when updating tracks metadata (.mp3) in the playlist editor, the track number does not update accordingly in windows explorer. So far i havent noticed that any of the other fields do it (ie artist, album etc.) but just seems to be some sort of bug with updating the track number field...maybe its just mine i dont know...
amd 2600
xp mce 2005
1gb ram
ati 9800


EDIT
ok more specifically what it does: while i am updating metadata info with mp3 files the track number goes from 'x' (in winamp) to "0" in windows explorer, regardless of the actual track number that i entered in the tag editor. Prior to me updating the track, it displays correctly, but changes to 0 when i do any edting. happens with almost all, but not entirel all of the mp3s to which i have done this so far (~100)

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Yeah, let us know... maybe attach a hjt log?

btw, does this mean that there's no crash when using the Classic skin (ie. it only crashes when using Modern skin)?

It just crashed again on the clean install - running fine on the laptop though, as well as my server.

Now I'm pissed... this isn't worth the headache, I'm just gonna format and see if it goes away... was going to anyway.

[Benski]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
It just crashed again on the clean install - running fine on the laptop though, as well as my server.

Now I'm pissed... this isn't worth the headache, I'm just gonna format and see if it goes away... was going to anyway.

Delete gen_ff.dll (modern skin support) from your plugins folder and see if the problem goes away ...

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by Benski
Delete gen_ff.dll (modern skin support) from your plugins folder and see if the problem goes away ...

I'd deleted my whole Winamp folder three times, so I doubt that was the problem.

Anyway... I'm reinstalling Windows right now... Can't live without my Winamp :P