Winamp 5.25 beta preview (build 868)

[YtseJam]

ahm,

No... He wants you to install Winamp and remove only gen_ff.dll to see if the problem comes from that DLL file.

Re-installing Winamp doesn't mean that the problem will go away if it is indeed originating from gen_ff.dll...

DON'T FORMAT.
Formatting is not a solution.

[bemymonkey]

Oh... I wasn't thinking clearly, I thought he just meant the file could be corrupt or something. It's too late now, I just finished reinstalling all my drivers... and Winamp is up and running. Haven't had a repeat of the problem yet.


One more thing - I used Foobar2000 to replaygain all of my MP3s, and some of these (about 10%) don't appear to be replaygained when I try to play them in Winamp. Any idea why? Is foobar fubaring the tagging process? The files that don't read correctly are mostly MP3s... -edit- the files in question DO have replaygain data when read in foobar2000. It's just Winamp that's not "seeing" the data...

[DJ Egg]

Which option did you use in foobar for those files?
Winamp will only read the ones where the rg info is written to the id3v2 tags (ie. the top three 'scan' options in foobar), and not the ones where you 'apply track/album gain to mp3 data' (which writes to the lame headers, not id3v2 tags).

Other than that, I'm not sure what else the problem can be, heh.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Which option did you use in foobar for those files?
Winamp will only read the ones where the rg info is written to the id3v2 tags (ie. the top three 'scan' options in foobar), and not the ones where you 'apply track/album gain to mp3 data' (which writes to the lame headers, not id3v2 tags).

Other than that, I'm not sure what else the problem can be, heh.

I think I've figured it out. It turns out the files which presented problems had preexisting APE tags. Since Foobar seems to prioritize these, it wrote the replaygain info to these instead of the ID3v2 tags... Now I'm just looking for a way to remove the APE tags, heheh... think I've got it though.

[DJ Egg]

Ahh, yeah. Doh!

[bemymonkey]

Thanks for the attempted help and sympathy though :)

[DJ Egg]

btw, are you using latest fb2k (0.9.3.1)?
afaik, ape tags were prioritized in v0.8x and earlier, but no longer in 0.9x
(then again, i might be wrong here, 'cos i'm no fb2k expert, heh).

[bemymonkey]

Yeah, just downloaded it a few days ago to replaygain my files.

As for the crashing issue with tag editing - i think my reformat solution solved it. Looks like it was a problem with some sort of setting in my Windows installation somewhere. Straaaaaaaange...

[DJ Egg]

Yeah, just downloaded it a few days ago to replaygain my filesBut... why didn't you just use Winamp instead? ;-)

[bemymonkey]

Because I've got about 30k files - all a big mix of MP3s, OGG, M4A and WMA files. With the "crash on ogg" issues that were going on at the time, I didn't think I could use it heheh. And anyway... am I supposed to click "apply album gain" once for every album I have? That's more than 3k clicks ;-)...

[Koopa]

Originally posted by amano
@Output plugins:
Since most people use a some flavour of NT/2000/2003/XP/Vista these days...
wouldn't it be more logical to make DirectSound the default plugin? To protect the majority of the winamp users to deselect the recommended output for their system?
Nope, you have no clue, how bad some Win 9x drivers can be. Waveout is needed for Win9x, as long as Nullsoft provides support for the old Windows versions, Waveout must be installed for 9x systems. This is the way it meant to be (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100492). :)

But the installer could check the windows version, if Windows > 4.9 then install DirectSound if <= 4.9 then install Waveout.

[YtseJam]

FYI, MS doesn't support Win9x for quite a few months now.

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
But the installer could check the windows version, if Windows > 4.9 then install DirectSound if <= 4.9 then install Waveout.
+1 :)

[flocksoft]

choosing a full installation with winamp 5.25 b686 full, all the components of "core media library components" section are deselected

OS: Windows XP SP 2 home on a 32 bit machine

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/4103/winampfullxh6.th.jpg (http://img477.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winampfullxh6.jpg)

[DJ Egg]

known (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2020901#post2020901) & already fixed internally :-)

[flocksoft]

"bookmarks" and "play\bookmarks" entries are present in main menu also when ml_bookmarks.dll is not installed

[amano]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
Nope, you have no clue, how bad some Win 9x drivers can be.

Well. Might be. I havn't been using 98SE for about 5 years now. But I remember having used winamp for about 8 years. I might have used out_wave once, but I don't really know anymore (having had a soundblaster 2.0 and a SB 128 (ensoniq chip) afterwards).

No biggie though, I just suggest what I would want personally ;)

[ubern00b]

Apologies if this was asked already (it's a long thread), but where do the Replaygain values have to be stored in MP3s to be recognized? Most of my MP3s have it stored in an APEv2 tag, but ever since I downloaded a new version of Foobar, it started storing them right in the ID3v2 tag. Will it work with both?

Thanks in advance.

[Sawg]

APEv2 tags are not supported by Winamp. Winamp reads it's values from the ID3v2 tags.

[roytam1]

Winamp 5.25 b868 crashes when it plays ALAC m4a files.

[Edit --> DJ Egg]
Fixed. Thanks.

[siebe83]

Originally posted by flocksoft
"bookmarks" and "play\bookmarks" entries are present in main menu also when ml_bookmarks.dll is not installed That's expected behaviour. Even when the Media Library is not installed the Bookmarks feature is still there. You just can't edit them.

Only thing that could need updating is the message you get when you try to edit the bookmarks, i.e.
"You must have the Winamp Library and the Bookmarks component installed to edit your bookmarks", or something like that.

[bemymonkey]

Hmmm... might it be possible to make the ReplayGain-scanner more friendly towards scanning a bunch of files at once?

i.e. a "scan in background" mode, so that it doesn't keep popping up every time it finishes an album. Or possibly use the same style as Foobar2k, where all the files are listed together instead of one list per album... That would be least annoying when you're RGing more than 20 files or so... As I mentioned earlier, I would have had to close more than 3000 dialog boxes in order to scan my music collection... which is about 2999 clicks too many.

[amano]

;) Well, bemymonkey, seconded ;)

[DJ ZX]

Hi guys. I found that this bug appeared in 3 latest betas but I didn't find post about this issue.
All OGG-files played with -6dB limiting :(
Now I'm using old in_vorbis.dll instead of new one.

[DJ Egg]

Hmm, so what you're saying is that it's as though the "Use -6dB hard limiter" option in in_vorbis config (the only ReplayGain option left in there) is hard-coded to be always on?

Checking/unchecking that option doesn't seem to make any noticable difference to me, so yeah, it looks like that's the probable case.

Edit: Fixed. Thanks

[DJ ZX]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Hmm, so what you're saying is that it's as though the "Use -6dB hard limiter" option in in_vorbis config (the only ReplayGain option left in there) is hard-coded to be always on?
Yes, it looks like this

Checking/unchecking that option doesn't seem to make any noticable difference to me, so yeah, it looks like that's the probable case.
Before posting I verified "Use -6dB hard limiter" option - It does not work

P.S. Sorry for my not so good experience in English - my experience in software testing much better :)

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by kearnemj
ok i found something reallllly strange, i realize it could be a million things but maybe someone else can reproduce this. using the latest beta i have noticed that when updating tracks metadata (.mp3) in the playlist editor, the track number does not update accordingly in windows explorer (WinXP MCE). So far i havent noticed that any of the other fields do it (ie artist, album etc.) but just seems to be some sort of bug with updating the track number field...maybe its just mine i dont know...


EDIT
ok more specifically what it does: while i am updating metadata info with mp3 files the track number goes from 'x' (in winamp) to "0" in windows explorer, regardless of the actual track number that i entered in the tag editor. Prior to me updating the track, it displays correctly, but changes to 0 when i do any edting. happens with almost all, but not entirel all of the mp3s to which i have done this so far (~100)

Do these files only have ID3v1 tags, and not ID3v2 tags?
Winamp uses ID3v1.1, but it's possible that Windows uses ID3v1.0
and alas, v1.0 doesn't support Track#
http://www.id3.org/id3v1.html

[germain47]

I just finished applying replay gain my files (about 3000). Very nice feature by the way, thank you. I have to agree with the earlier posts, selecting the gain feature to apply for each album was a pain. This was especially cumbersome when I was doing other work elsewhere on the computer. The rg dialog box just popped up forcing me to deal with it before I could get back to what I was doing. It would be nice to be able to highlight the files to be scanned and select track gain up front. Being that less than 1/3 of my files required album gain this would have made the process soo much easier. All in all not that big of a deal. Do it once and its done.

[DJ Egg]

So something like this maybe?

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
So something like this maybe?

Hoooooooooooray! Go Winamp, go Winamp, go Winamp!

Which file types are supported now? :D

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
Which file types are supported now? :D
MP3, AAC, M4A, OGG, FLAC (though you'll need a new in_flac first, heh)

...and you'll also need the newer/fixed in_vorbis for .ogg, as linked to in the main & b868 posts.

Still not sure about the likes of wma & wav (no tags for .wav)?
(forget about mod & midi)

[bemymonkey]

Sounds good. I've got another question though... is there a way to get the library to update in real-time instead of when shutting down Winamp (or whenever it's usually done...).

The problem is, I usually leave my Winamp running all day... and only close it when I have to, i.e. to install something new. All the while I rate stuff and play counts are recorded, etc. But since these Betas have been crashing a lot for me (not any more, but they did), the changes were never saved. I'd spend a whole day rating files, and then Winamp crashes and all my changes are gone. Is there any way to get Winamp to write the changes to disk immediately?

[kearnemj]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Do these files only have ID3v1 tags, and not ID3v2 tags?
Winamp uses ID3v1.1, but it's possible that Windows uses ID3v1.0
and alas, v1.0 doesn't support Track#
http://www.id3.org/id3v1.html

what i typically do is edit the metadata in the id3v2 tag, then use the 'copy to id3v1' selection, however i occasionally do the opposite if the track number has something in it i dont like (id3v1 wil have '2' but id3v2 will have 02 or 2/13, for example). other than that i am using the default id3 versions that come with winamp, which afaik is id3v2.4? and id3v1.1? despite which version i use in the tag editor the same thing happens in explorer...however the thing now that really strikes my curiosity (and leads me to believe this might all actually be irrelevant to winamp) is that viewing said folders in explorer occasionally causes explorer to crash....strange
edit - in sum, all of my mp3s use BOTH id3v1 and id3v2

[Desides]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
MP3, AAC, M4A, OGG, FLAC (though you'll need a new in_flac first, heh)

Which in_flac would that be?

Also, I read on the Hydrogenaudio forums that FLAC's developer is working on transitioning FLAC from GPL to BSD. Have you guys kept up with that at all, and will this finally mean native FLAC support in, say, 5.26?

[Koopa]

Probably v1.1.1, the licence must be changed from GPL to at least LGPL otherwise Nullsoft cannot bundle it with Winamp.

The old Flac Decoder will get then Replay Gain support, media library support, 24 Bit support (via Global Preferences), ATF support, multiuser support and Unicode support.

Read here (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=218903&perpage=40&pagenumber=3) more.

I guess it will be bundled, as soon as Josh will change the licence.

[DJ Egg]

It might even be something like v1.1.2b ;-)

ie. 'new' means new :-D

But yeah, it's all down to if/when Josh changes the license.

[Koopa]

Hey, I talked about, which version will be the reference for Nullsoft's plug-in, and this will be (probably) 1.1.1, because Gutenberg (author of the 1.1.2 version isn't on this planet anymore). ;)

ie. 'new' means new :-D
Of course, so I would call it 1.2 :p

[DJ Egg]

It'll probably be rewritten based on flac 1.1.2 (http://flac.sourceforge.net/download.html)

[EmuChicken]

DJ Egg, did you bring onboard the problem with my japanese filenames in the media library? Try renaming one of your mp3s to "01 サパイブ.mp3" and dragging it into the library. (you may need japanese characters installed to read that katakana I just wrote)

[DJ Egg]

afaik, the media library database doesn't support unicode at all, and the fix is planned for the next major release after this one (as mentioned in the Notes in the first post in the thread). Also note that it's a MAJOR fix, and not something which can simply be fixed overnight (as I'm sure Maksim & Benski could tell you in great detail) ;-)

[EmuChicken]

Ok! Understood!

Im just glad its on the to-do list thats all

[cdysthe]

Hi,

I really like the fact that the new Winamp versions will have Replay Gain. I know it's still a beta implementation but I still would like to ask the following:

Is it possible to have the replay gain data visibile as a column in the Media Library? It would be so much easier to see which files has Replay Gain data applied and which don't. The way it currently seems to be working it's impossible to find only the files that do not have Replay Gains information applied to them

Is it possible to have Replay Gain applied to all your files without having to confirm for each album? It takes too long when you have a lot of files to process. At least for adding track gain there's no reason to stop for each album. I would like to a setting for the Replay Gain plug-in that makes it possible to apply Replay Gain without any confirmation at all.

Finally I would also like to be able to add both track and album gain at once. I can not find a way to do that.

//C

merged into 5.25 beta thread - DrO

[DJ Egg]

Ok, I initially moved your post from Tech Support to the Discussion forum (5.25 beta isn't supported), and then DrO merged your post with this thread (because this is the only thread where to officially discuss 5.25 beta).

The next public beta (or Final) version has options in the RG plugin config to ask/not ask, ask after each album, ask after all items, as shown in this post (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2021931#post2021931) above.

There's currently no way of showing the RG info in the Media Library, though that will probably change at a later date (though unlikely to be for 5.25 Final now). For sure, a ReplayGain column in the ML would certainly be nice.

Currently, you can see the rg info per (mp3, ogg, m4a, aac) file in the respective File Info box (Alt+3) for that file, or you can add something like:
[ '( Gain:' %replaygain_track_gain% ')']
to your ATF string (in: Prefs > Titles), as explained in the Notes (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251985#notes) in the first post.

Note, when you click 'Save As Album' it also auto saves per Track data as well.

[Omega X]

Shouldn't this many changes be called Winamp 5.3?

[YtseJam]

Why? 5.23 and 5.22 also had quite a changelog.
Who says 5.3 won't?

[/usr/local/dick]

Hi guys, just installed b868 and reporting excellent UTF-8 compatibility, as well as proper tag support in stream.
Combing these two in one screendump (my favorite artist to test UTF-8 is Björk of course ;) )
Really nice to see these features implemented!
Except for IPv6 support this software is perfect :)

[Cianca]

Originally posted by Omega X
Shouldn't this many changes be called Winamp 5.3?

better 5.25... so in 5.3 nullsoft had to insert other features to explain the change :D :D :D

[DrO]

they can call it whatever version number they want and in all honesty, is a version number really that important to be wasting time talking about? :) as long as you're getting a new build (whatever the version number) then that should be more than enough yes?

-daz

[Cianca]

not take my previous, a serious post :D :p

[Melkor]

* Fixed: duplicate media library entries bug (unfortunately your old duplicate entries will still exist)


I got bad news, it's still creating those duplicate entries, and the entries (that it is supposed to be finding) are still locked; worse still, it can also lock old duplicate entries, creating new duplicate entries.

[DrO]

Originally posted by Cianca
not take my previous, a serious post :D :p i know, i was just making my comment to those before who were commenting about it ;)

-daz

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by Melkor
I got bad news, it's still creating those duplicate entries, and the entries (that it is supposed to be finding) are still locked; worse still, it can also lock old duplicate entries, creating new duplicate entries. Can you please confirm that you checkmarked "Core Media Library Components" under Winamp Library in the installer options (and particularly Local Media), because there was a bug in the build 868 installer where that whole subsection was unchecked by default (as referenced in the 868 changelog/notes (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2020901#post2020901)).

The theory here being that you installed straight on top of the previous build, with "Core Media Library Components" unchecked, and therefore the new/fixed nde.dll and ml_local.dll didn't get installed, and you're still using the older broken versions.

I managed to reproduce the bug in the build(s) prior to 868, but certainly can't reproduce it any more.

[TheUniqueTiger]

Is there any scope for faster RG scanning for Ogg files too, similar to that for mp3?

[DJ Egg]

ogg is already pretty fast. It was just mp3 that was a bit slow.

[jmbattle]

Hello chaps,

I wonder if there are any plans to further break-up components into separate ML plugins?

I notice that the 'Video' configuration options have appeared after re-adding in_wm.dll (in order to listen to BBC radio). Furthermore, there are references to stations/online media elsewhere in the UI despite not having any radio streaming/shoutcast libraries installed (to my knowledge).

Finally is there a reason why CDDB is utilised instead of FreeDB.org?

Keep the betas coming guys, cheers,
James
x

[DrO]

the gracenote cddb is used due to licensing and because of that a freedb (though shouldn't that be freedb2.org or whatever is going on with that) implementation can't be provided natively. i think the wishlist forum sticky covers that.

as soon as any input plugin which can support video media is present then the video prefs page is shown which makes sense especially with wma based formats since people generally tend to mix and match audio/video irrespective of the actual content (oh the nightmares when i made my asx loader).

and really, there's little else i think that as things stand warrants being split up into smaller parts without compramising stability/useability of core features. and with the streaming aspect, most of the input plugins are capable of streaming (as long as the formats they implement support it) so it does make sense to have such references but if you'd like to provide an example of inappropriate usage...

-daz

[jmbattle]

Okay, thank you for your prompt response.

What a shame about the Gracenote licencing - can anyone elaborate on this? Is Gracenote supporting/sponsoring WinAMP financially?

Regarding unnecessary elements, I was thinking about the 'Station Info' list in the preference UI, but this is hardly worth mentioning. ;)

Completely off topic, however I noticed that your TRAP 2.x plugin does not remember the resume point for WMA files, starting tracks from the beginning upon restarting WinAMP.

Cheers,
James
x

[MALEADt]

Hi all,

Awesome additions to winamp lately, glad to see new things in my favourite program :)

Anyway, I just plugged my USB player (a Creative MuVo v200, 256mb) in, and Winamp popped up to manage it. Clicked yes, and I tried to remove the files which were present on the player. Winamp starts deleting, but then all of sudden (the files ARE deleted) winamp crashes. I CAN reproduce this.

Here the bug report:
Winamp client version: 5.25 build 868 Beta
winamp caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005) in module NSCRT.dll at 001b:7c36cb1e.

Exception handler called in Winamp.

Winamp generated report included!

greets, maleadt

[sfxdude]

I'm not sure this is the ideal place for this - its really bugging me though!
The new beta (868) has support for copying video's to portables:* New: [ml_pmp] video sync support for portables but this doesnt work for me (iPod 5G 30G) - the videos copy, but most of the time they end up coming up in 'Music' instead of 'Videos' on the iPod, and when they are played it normally causes the iPod to crash and reboot itself.

Im not sure if this should have gone in this (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=238885&perpage=40&highlight=mlpmp&pagenumber=1) thread, but any help would be apreciated!

Edit: I've also just noticed that the music list on the iPod is no way in alphabetical order.

[DrO]

Originally posted by jmbattle
Okay, thank you for your prompt response.

What a shame about the Gracenote licencing - can anyone elaborate on this? Is Gracenote supporting/sponsoring WinAMP financially?

Regarding unnecessary elements, I was thinking about the 'Station Info' list in the preference UI, but this is hardly worth mentioning. ;)

Completely off topic, however I noticed that your TRAP 2.x plugin does not remember the resume point for WMA files, starting tracks from the beginning upon restarting WinAMP.

Cheers,
James
x i'm not sure on the exact details of the gracenote aspect of things, i can only go on what i've been told and what's been said before. alas it's just one of those things really.

Ah the station info window, i'm far from the best person to ask about that since i've made 2 plugins in my time which can remove that but yeah, we've asked about it so not sure what will happen about it in that situation...

With the TRAP issue, does it also happen with older versions and what happens if the delay loading option is enabled (best to continue this in the plugin's thread ;) though there are cases where some files will fail to restore their position since the api i call isn't able to be adhere'd to )

-daz

[Benski]

Here's an update for those of you who use Winamp to rip CDs.

We separated the playback buffering logic from the ripping buffering, which should increase speed (too much buffering on playback can cause a delay between tracks).

However, we found a few drives while testing that didn't like some of the buffer settings. We found a common ground but are still worried that some drives may be effected.

Unzip this into your plugins folder, rip a few tracks, and report back if the resultant track has static, weird noises, silence or anything like that.

:)

[djsolidsnake86]

@developer
sorry if ask always the same thing, but why in winamp 5.25 we can't rehave the "lost" feauture of playlist sidecar like winamp3?
i'm waiting this particulray playlist from first version of winamp 5!
i'm a fan of winamp and i using it from ever and i think that winamp is a perfect program now, and for me remain only one thing to do: the playlist "sidecar"
please, when we can rehave this thing?
thank you from the first winamp's fan! :)

[261A5050]

I managed to crash build 843 somehow, and don't see any mention of the problem in changelogs for versions since then. I had the task scheduler ("at" in the command line) run start C:\Progra~1\Winamp\winamp "F:\Music\wakeup.mp3" with the /INTERACTIVE flag set (to allow the window to show up) at 11:00 AM. Worked fine, I hit Stop on the keyboard, turned the monitors off (using a program called Nircmd, not the actual power buttons) and left.
At ~5:00 PM I come back and turn them back on, and I see a red box with a black border at the top of the screen:
Script failure. Press left mouse button to continue.

Guru Meditation #0021 .0080081F.21 Script Fatal Error

scripts/pltime.maki
(Nice reference BTW. :D) In the middle of the screen is a "Winamp Error Feedback" dialog with an empty progress bar that says "Analyzing settings". After I click the script error box this dialog says a few other things but is unable to send an error report, probably because I told Winamp I have no Internet connection (as I don't always).

The log file says the error occurred at 5:04 PM but that's probably just because that's when I clicked the error message to continue; it could have happened any time between 11:00 AM and 5:04 PM. It must have been a few minutes after I pushed Stop though, because it took a little while to turn the monitors off because my crappy mouse keeps triggering them to turn back on. :mad:

The song is an MP3, 3min 37sec with an ID3v1 tag:
Track: 3
Title: NEVER EVER "Jonathan Peters ..
Artist: Hamasaki Ayumi
Album: Dearest
Year: 2001
Genre: JPop
(BTW, a button to quickly copy all ID3v1/2 info to the clipboard could be useful. :))

MPEG info:
Header found at: 1441 bytes
Length: 217 seconds
MPEG-1 layer 3
192kbit, approx. 8320 frames
44100Hz Stereo
CRCs: No, Copyrighted: No
Original: Yes, Emphasis: None

I've played this song hundreds of times (it rocks hard) without a problem, though a different copy of the file most times. (I've used this copy often too, though.)

I've attatched the error report but there's clearly something wrong with the stack dump. :igor: You can see the formatted song title here:
0x0013d65c: 0013d65c 0013d660 0013d664 0013d668 .....s......[.M.
0x0013d66c: 0013d66c 0013d670 0013d674 0013d678 P.3.]. .N.E.V.E.
0x0013d67c: 0013d67c 0013d680 0013d684 0013d688 R. .E.V.E.R. .".
0x0013d68c: 0013d68c 0013d690 0013d694 0013d698 J.o.n.a.t.h.a.n.
0x0013d69c: 0013d69c 0013d6a0 0013d6a4 0013d6a8 .P.e.t.e.r.s. .
0x0013d6ac: 0013d6ac 0013d6b0 0013d6b4 0013d6b8 ....-. .H.a.m.a.
0x0013d6bc: 0013d6bc 0013d6c0 0013d6c4 0013d6c8 s.a.k.i. .A.y.u.
0x0013d6cc: 0013d6cc 0013d6d0 0013d6d4 0013d6d8 m.i. .-. .D.e.a.
0x0013d6dc: 0013d6dc 0013d6e0 0013d6e4 0013d6e8 r.e.s.t. .(.3.:.
0x0013d6ec: 0013d6ec 0013d6f0 0013d6f4 0013d6f8 3.7.)...........
But the hex data is just the address of each word, not its contents. (I've had some trouble getting stack dumps on Windows too, heh.)

[flocksoft]

@ 261A5050:

afaik the reason of that error are some modern skins

PS: guru meditation is an homage to the equivalent of pc "blue screen of the death" (fatal error) on Amiga computer


- guru meditation on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Meditation)
- blue screen of death on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death)

[DJ Egg]

@261A5050

Let us know if the problem still occurs after a clean install of 5.25 b868
(834 is quite old now) with no 3rd-party modern skin or plugins
(in_gsf.dll, in_nsf.dll, in_snes.dll, in_usf.dll, gen_dragndrop.dll, gen_find_on_disk.dll, gen_jtt.dll -
though it's unlikely to be drag+drop or ffod plugins to blame, because i use those myself, heh).

[Chrissyx]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Winamp 5.25
* New: Unicode filename and title support
Is there anything special i've to care about? I'm using Windows 98SE and i'm not sure, it's supporting Unicode? :confused:

[Benski]

Originally posted by djsolidsnake86
sorry if ask always the same thing, but why in winamp 5.25 we can't rehave the "lost" feauture of playlist sidecar like winamp3?

Winamp 2 and 5 are designed around the 'single' playlist. It would involve a significant amount of work to allow for a queueing style like Winamp3. It is on the wishlist, and it's also something that we'd like to have back in the program - it's just quite a lot of work and we have a very small team.

[Benski]

Originally posted by Chrissyx
Is there anything special i've to care about? I'm using Windows 98SE and i'm not sure, it's supporting Unicode? :confused:

If you use a modern skin, there is a limited amount of Unicode support.

See in the bottom-right corner of this screenshot: http://stashbox.org/uploads/1157510493/win98.png

However, we can't make a non-unicode operating system suddenly support unicode everywhere :) This is definitely a feature that is only noticable on Windows NT OS's.

[magicfly]

well..my 2 cents to the development is that BOOKMARKS won't play anymore. i have at least 10 radios bookmarked and when i go to select one of those, nothing happens

[DJ Egg]

@magicfly

Can't reproduce that here...
unless they're direct shoutcast.com bookmarks
eg. http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=xxx...
in which case they won't be working at the moment,
because shoutcast.com has been down for 2 days.

____________________________________________________

@ all

So... no comments on the new in_cdda posted by benski above?
Rip speed should be vastly improved now.
I'm getting 15x for --apfs mp3, 22x for lc-aac and 44x for wav output,
which is pretty blazing for a lowly xp2400+ cpu.

[magicfly]

well..i'm sorry and i didn't noticed that shoutcast missed some radios.

however i've just had a crash of the latest winamp, don't know what's happened, i was working with photopaint and suddenly winamp (minimized to tray, playing a radio) has crashed, generating this log.

[DJ Egg]

The log shows a crash in the 3rd-party dsp_dfx plugin, ie. not our problem, heh.

List of 3rd-party plugins installed (making bug report invalid)
dsp_dfx, gen_irc, gen_msn, gen_tips, gen_toaster, gen_mbapi, out_gapless, in_shn.dll

[shantanu_gadgil]

Hello,
I just installed Winamp 5.25 build 868 Beta.

After install on first run I got the following message:
"This application has failed to start because PX.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem."

After tinkering with the various plugins, I figured it was to do with the "in_disc.dll" plugin.

Regards,
Shantanu

[DJ Egg]

px.dll is one of the core Sonic Burning Engine files.
You need to reboot before you can use those features (ripping & burning with sonic engine).

However, Winamp should open with no error messages, and all other features should work ok, without the need to reboot first.

At a guess, maybe you didn't do a clean install of the beta (ie. you installed it on top of a previous version) and maybe you unchecked "sonic burning/ripping support" in the installer options, but there was an old version of primosdk.dll already in your Winamp root folder.

If in_cdda.dll (audio cd support) and maybe also ml_disc.dll (media library Rip & Burn ui) are present in the Winamp\Plugins dir, and primosdk.dll is present in the Winamp root folder, then this instructs Winamp to load the Sonic Library (Windows\System32\px.dll etc). If px.dll is missing or an old version, then you'll probably get that error message (px.dll and associated files are only installed if you don't uncheck 'sonic burning/ripping support' in the installer).

Other than all that, we cannot reproduce the problem
(you didn't even include Windows OS in the report).

[Juanus]

Originally posted by Benski
Unzip this into your plugins folder, rip a few tracks, and report back if the resultant track has static, weird noises, silence or anything like that.

Hey Benski,
I tried that new in_cdda and I had no problems with it. The ripping speed was vastly improved and it seems like I got a better rip. In the respect that I have one CD that would "glitch" on certain songs when making the MP#. I ripped that CD again and the MP3s came out perfectly.

Thanks!

[germain47]

I played around a bit with the new & improved ripper.
FYI: XP sp2 - pentium 4 520 2.8GHz - Audigy 2ZS -tsst cdrw/dvd tsh492b

No problems with playback of any kind.
mp3: vbr new -q2 13.3X
mpeg4 lc acc 224kbs 17.3x
flac v1.1.2 17.7X

No option to rip with ogg.vorbis??

[Koopa]

No option to rip with ogg.vorbis??
No native support there. :(

Try Gutenberg's Ogg Vorbis encoder:

http://winamp.com/plugins/browse.php?category=12

[alexjoey]

CDDA improved is :up: with my Acer laptop with internal QSI-DVD+-RW SDW082 24x firm LX51 which ripping didn't exceed 5x in mp3, this new cdda no problem with musics I'm listening and rippîng was improved 5x to 8x ! More fast I ever imagine :cool:
So Thanks, you've found the good line.

[shantanu_gadgil]

The OS I am running is Windows XP SP2

Also it was a "fresh" install of Winamp. Nothing Winamp related installed on the system!!! :)

Oh...and the name of plugin was ml_disc.dll, and yes a reboot fixes the problem!

Again, sorry for the hasty post! My bad!!!

Regards,
Shantanu

[YtseJam]

Hmmm, if I don't have any AAC file support in Winamp, what is the file aacPlusDecoder.w5s doing in my Winamp\System folder?

[Koopa]

Hmmm, if I don't have any AAC file support in Winamp
AAC playback is part of in_mp3, so if you really have no aac decoding support installed, you haven't any MP3 playback support too. ;)

in_mp4 is just a demuxer, it will send the aac/aacplus streams from the mp4 container to the in_mp3 plug-in. Result -> when you've installed in_mp3, you always have raw aac/aacplus decoding too. :) ( I hope I don't got you wrong :) )

[YtseJam]

I see, they put it all in in_mp3.dll. Oh well.

[Koopa]

I see, they put it all in in_mp3.dll. Oh well.
Yeah, but aac support is implemented in in_mp3 since Winamp has got native support for aac. :)

I guess the old devs have done this, because of aac support in shoutcast, so they can use the features (buffer size etc) from in_mp3. (Or they were to lazy to code a new in_aac who knows? :p )

[YtseJam]

Well, seems like Nullsoft is taking Winamp into some sort of a modularity path. Hopefully more of it is to come in the next versions.

[naumaxos]

mmmmm...the problem with my queued items disappearing whenever i add songs above them exists still....no new build to correct this or anything?

[DrO]

there's no fixed build or a confirmation on my end because i've had other projects to work on. as soon as time allows i'll get around to investigating the issue.

-daz

[Melkor]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Can you please confirm that you checkmarked "Core Media Library Components" under Winamp Library in the installer options (and particularly Local Media), because there was a bug in the build 868 installer where that whole subsection was unchecked by default (as referenced in the 868 changelog/notes (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2020901#post2020901)).

The theory here being that you installed straight on top of the previous build, with "Core Media Library Components" unchecked, and therefore the new/fixed nde.dll and ml_local.dll didn't get installed, and you're still using the older broken versions.

I managed to reproduce the bug in the build(s) prior to 868, but certainly can't reproduce it any more.

Yeah, that wasn't the problem, (i did do a clean install just now to make sure). I don't actualy know *how* to make the bugged entries; i've tried to track down the causes, by compairing the entries to others in my media library (via hex editor) i have found nothing conclusive. All i can figure is that there are two search algs being used on the media library; the one that runs the ML UI, and the one that runs the back end. The back end search alg is the one that is bugged. Maybe they have different rules for what they consider valid entries? Maybe it's an incorrectly built binary search alg?

As i think about this i'm beginning to think more and more that it is a search alg issue and has nothing to do with the data.

[jmbattle]

Koopatrooper, to reiterate the original poster's query, if AAC decoding is handled by in_mp3.dll what is the aacPlusDecoder.w5s responsible for? Are AAC and AACplus separate formats?

On the topic of burning support, may I ask exactly which files are required by WinAMP? Also, where are the Sonic runtimes that are automatically installed kept, and which registry entries are created? This would be useful for unattended Windows installation.

Cheers,
James
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[DJ Egg]

Raw AAC support (file extension = .aac, whether he-aac or lc-aac) is handled/provided by in_mp3.dll, hence AAC being in the Extension list in in_mp3 config.

However, the decoding for all aac content is done by the Coding Technologies AAC decoder, which is Winamp\System\aacPlusDecoder.w5s

aacPlusDecoder.w5s is a separate file because it's shared by in_mp3, in_mp4, and in_nsv to decode any aac content within. It makes more sense to do it this way, rather than have the same decoder inside each of the separate input plugins.

At one point, pre 5.2x, the CT aacPlus Decoder and the Dolby AAC Decoder were all inside in_mp3.dll (along with the Fraunhofer mp3 decoder). The CT AAC Decoder was separated (as explained above), and the CT Decoder is now used to decode both he-aac (aacPlus) and lc-aac content (whereas the Dolby decoder was used for lc-aac decoding pre 5.09x). I'm not sure if the Dolby AAC Decoder is still inside in_mp3.dll or if it's now been taken out (maybe it's still used to decode lc-aac with Winamp Lite, assuming aacPlusDecoder.w5s isn't installed with Lite)...?

Confused enough...?



Re: burning, see the component list here (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=199851#sonic)

Note that the Sonic Engine won't load/be recognized if primosdk.dll isn't in the Winamp root dir, and even it is but in_cdda.dll (audio cd support) is missing, then primosdk.dll won't be seen either. If ml_disc.dll is missing, then there'll be no Rip & Burn ui in the media library.

[jmbattle]

Thank you for your explanation egg, I managed to follow more or less all of that, apart from 'Raw AAC support is handled/provided by in_mp3.dll' and 'the decoding for all aac content is done by...aacPlusDecoder.w5s'.

What is the difference between 'raw support' and 'decoding'?

Thanks,
James
x

EDIT: Just read through your wonderfully detailed component guide. Wow, great list, congratulations - if only all software was as well explained as WinAMP!

[DJ Egg]

By "raw aac" I mean an aac file with an .aac extension (whether lc-aac or he-aac/aacPlus), as opposed to an aac file in an MP4 container with eg. an .m4a or .mp4 extension.

raw .aac is handled by in_mp3.dll, aac in an mp4 container is handled by in_mp4.dll
(ie. if you remove AAC from in_mp3 config then you'll have no raw AAC support, and if you remove in_mp4.dll you'll have no M4A support)

but aacPlusDecoder.w5s does the actual decoding for all of them
(well, except for iTunes lossless aac/m4a files which are decoded by alac.w5s)

Better?

[jmbattle]

Subarashi ;)

Cheers,
James
x

[alexjoey]

I come to put a flat at the new cdda which is to require to us to test, certainly it does rip well better, but the disadvantage is for the reading of Cd-audio, there are cuts:rolleyes: the reading is not cut when one listens by not moving the cursor of the mouse, but come to obstruct when one moves the mouse on winamp buttons or elsewhere, when one opens a file-window.
Please believe that that does not come from my laptop which is very-optimized (trust me!), CD has no got strips at all.
My direct-sound is neither too large nor too short I use 1000ms, which does not pose any problem of reading on my laptop since even Windows media does not take that 250ms for what I see in his statistics.

Perhaps that would have done it with the precedent cdda but I do not want of re-install winamp to see it. Thus to you to say if it is inevitable for laptop centrino "without graphics board" (that to me could come from that because my video memory is an INTEL GM915, but reassure you that my memory occupies only 286Mo on 760Mo).
Large thank you of your time to have read me.:blah:
One more time Winamp 5.25 b868 rocks:up:

[Koopa]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
I'm not sure if the Dolby AAC Decoder is still inside in_mp3.dll
I think so, because .vlb support is still aviable in in_mp3, also if you open the info screen of the in_mp3 plug-in you see credits about dolby aac/vlb. :)

I guess the dolby aac decoder is still there for .vlb files only.

[DJ Egg]

Ok, I know there was talk of maybe removing the dolby decoder totally (seems redundant to me). I guess it'll also be used to decode any raw lc-aac .aac files if aacPlusDecoder.w5s isn't present, like it did back in pre 5.1x

btw, has anyone got/ever seen any .vlb files? I sure haven't.

[Koopa]

Hmm,

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2015850#post2015850

Originally posted by jmbattle
However, is there any particular reason why aacPlusDecoder.w5s is now required in the latest version of in_mp3.dll when it was not previously? I use a rather stripped down version of WinAMP, installing only the formats I will use (ogg and mp3), removing extra libraries one by one until something breaks.
Originally posted by Benski
It's fixed now
You should be able to listen to raw .aac or aac in mp4 container files without having installed aacPlusDecoder.w5s in Winamp's system dir.

So I guess aacPlusdecoder is used for in_NSV (I know that the old in_nsv used in_mp3 for decoding at least MP3 data, I saw this in the Winamp 2.91 beta 1 or beta 2 thread).

AAC playback support is still implemented in in_mp3.dll, and in_mp4.dll just sends the aac stream to the in_mp3 plug-in.

I guess the whole CT aac/aacplus encoding is still present in in_mp3. Dolby's encoder is just present for .vlb files.

And no, I haven't seen any .vlb file. :)

Damn, now it sounds much moire confusing, or? :D

[Benski]

Yes, it's a bit confusing.

Because the codec used for SHOUTcast streams isn't known until a stream is open, the same plugin is used for both MP3 and ADTS AAC formats (in_mp3). Also, MP3 and ADTS are similiar enough that they can both use the same file, http, and synchronization code.

aacPlusDecoder.w5s provides functions for both in_mp3 and in_mp4 to use for decoding AAC files. This used to exist inside of in_mp3, but was separated to accomodate users who use alternate MP3 plugins (in_mad, in_!mpg123) and may have deleted in_mp3.

in_mp3 can play back using 3 possibly decoders - fhg-derived MP3 decoder, dolby AAC decoder (used for AOL Radio and some NSV content), and CT's AAC decoder (via aacPlusDecoder.w5s)

maybe that clears things up (or muddles them up more :)

[emalvick]

To keep matters short and avoid cross-posting, there is one feature I'd like for USB device configuration in terms of setting the file structure on the device...

MediaMonkey allows a tag <folder> that refers to the local files folder structure to use on the device. That would be nice in Winamp...

More details can be found in a post I just put regarding the PMP_USB:

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2024681#post2024681

It would be nice if a tag refering to a files folder could be used (and perhaps the depth of the folder structure desired).

Erik

[Hitchhiker427]

I am unable to burn CDs with version 5.25. I'm currently using build 868 Pro, but was previously using 5.24 Pro.

Everything worked fine in 5.24, but when I try to burn CDs in 5.25, I just end up with coasters. After I select my playlist to burn, enter my CD, and choose my burn speed, wierd things start to happen.

First, Winamp processess ALL of my mp3s in about 1 sec., rather than taking a second or two for each track.

Then, after processing, it says that all of my tracks are 'scheduled'. It sits there for a moment, and then burns my tracks out of order, and takes about a second for each track. By out of order, I mean that tracks 1 & 2 are still "scheduled", while track 3 is burning (extraordinarily fast).

When the burn completes (according to Winamp, successfully), my CD burner won't let me eject the disk, and I have to restart the computer to eject.

However, if I try to play the CD (in say, Winamp), it only acually burned the first couple of seconds of each track. So, Winamp says the track lengths are anywhere from 1 to 10 seconds long, and it plays through these "tracks" as it would ordinarily.

Once in a blue moon (happened to me twice, actually) the CD burn goes supposedly normal, and these problems don't happen. However, if I try to play the CD in Winamp after burning, it checks CDDB, finds a successful match, but reports each track in the playlist in the <Drive Letter>,<Track Number> format, rather than artists and titles. If I play an audio CD in Winamp that was burned either in Winamp 5.24, or any other piece of software, the CDDB lookup works fine.

It should also be noted that I have both Nero and iTunes on my machine, and both programs burn audio CDs without a hitch. Nero's not as good with audio CDs (IMO) as a music player with a library is, so I've been iTunes primarily. I would like to see this bug ironed out though.

If I haven't included enough info, let me know.

PS. I've also tried out the new in_cdda.dll posted here to see if it changed anything, and it didn't.

[DJ Egg]

Windows OS?
CD/RW Drive make/model?
Clean install of 5.25 beta, and with no 3rd-party plugins?
Did you reboot after? (required for burning to work)

[Hitchhiker427]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Windows OS?
CD/RW Drive make/model?
Clean install of 5.25 beta, and with no 3rd-party plugins?
Did you reboot after? (required for burning to work)

I'm using Windows XP Professional.

I have two CD burners, neither of which work. The first one is an NEC DVD_RW ND-3540A, with a max burn speed of 48x (for CDs). The second is a Samsung CD-R/RW SW-252F, with a max burn speed of 52x. I've also tried decreasing the burn speed of the drives while burning, and nothing worked.

Although I currently DO have 3rd-party plugins installed, I HAVE tried this on a clean installation of Build 868 with no 3rd-party plugins/skins.

And yes, I have tried rebooting. It was the first thing I tried. Although, after reinstalling 5.24 (to verify that it works fine on this version) and then installing 5.25 on top of that, burning worked until I rebooted. But, after I did, it stopped working. I'm assuming that because you said a reboot is required, that whatever is new in 5.25's burning methods was not fully implemented until I rebooted, which screwed it up.

I have also tried to extract ml_disc 1.0 from Winamp 5.24 and replace ml_dic 1.01 in Winamp 5.25, hoping that maybe it was just an issue with this plugin, but that did not work.

Thanks for your help.

[DJ Egg]

You're not alone.

I just tried to burn a cd. The Status Window said it was burning at 4x speed (my drive is a LiteOn 52x32x52). It got about half way through when an error message popped up:

AppName: winamp.exe | ModName: in_wm.dll | Offset: 0002e2a3

And I was burning MP3, not WMA (no wma's in sight)

So I clicked 'Debug' instead of 'Close', then manually closed Winamp.
The resulting Audio CD is made up of 10 intro-like tracks, all of between 10 to 25 seconds long, and it wouldn't let me eject it (ended up having to stick a needle in the hole to force eject it).

So yes, I agree that burning is pretty much borked... again.

Maybe it's drive-specific, though somehow I doubt it in this case. We shall see...


[Edit --> 13th Sep]

CD Burning is now fixed for next build/final. Thanks.

[Hitchhiker427]

I'm relieved that it's probably not my computer, because I wouldn't know how to fix it. Hopefully, this can get fixed. If you have any ideas, or updated files you want to try out to fix this problem, feel free to let me know. I'd be glad to help squash this bug.

[alexjoey]

Hello, I propose to modify the posting of the title when this one is longer than the width of the winamp's window bus what obstructs to me is to be able to see the bracket in entirety
I thus propose when the title proves to be longer than the width offered, to add a space on the right of title
example
"russ castella feat elissa - truth (mike rizo total radio operator edit)"
and after
"russ castella feat elissa - truth (mike rizo total radio operator edit) "

Only on the right because on the left this displays well as here (http://alexandre1.site.voila.fr/winamp/duree_a_droite/bon_espace.png)

Some PNG pictures
present unapproachable bracket (http://alexandre1.site.voila.fr/winamp/duree_a_droite/3.47_trop_a_droite.png)
this long title in long widht (http://alexandre1.site.voila.fr/winamp/duree_a_droite/long_titre.png)
faked image of the desired result (http://alexandre1.site.voila.fr/winamp/duree_a_droite/fictif_rond_vert.png)

[alexjoey]

:o I'm figuring that for this bracket it's after bracket-time in which I say to add a space not after the title :D

this means pass from "(3:47)" to "(3:47) ".

[bemymonkey]

Weird... Only happens in full-mode (non-Winshade...). Looks like a bug to me - one shouldn't need to add a space after the song time, but rather just fix the scrolling so that it scrolls further to the right...

[Serpher]

I founded (i think so) a bug with scanning folers with mp3 files.
When "Rescan folders every --- minutes" option is turned on and "Rescan folders at startup" option is turned off (all of course by default) at Winamp startup folder(s) are scaned. Why? 2nd option is turned off... and 1st option have "(...) every 120 minutes"...
I don't understand that...

[losta]

Benski, can you upgrade in_mp4 and in_mp3 to support 32-bit input and output playback and encoding?

[Chrissyx]

Originally posted by Benski
If you use a modern skin, there is a limited amount of Unicode support.

See in the bottom-right corner of this screenshot: http://stashbox.org/uploads/1157510493/win98.png

However, we can't make a non-unicode operating system suddenly support unicode everywhere :) This is definitely a feature that is only noticable on Windows NT OS's.

I was thinking about something like that:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=73BA7BD7-ED06-4F0D-80A4-2A7EEAEE17E2&displaylang=en
Should Win98SE User install this to run Winamp 5.25 properly?

[Bladez]

First off...

Version 5.25 beta

WHERE:
Options -> CD Ripping - Specify the naming convention for ripped tracks field

Current Setting:
<Artist> - <Album>\<Artist> -##- <Title>

Problem:
I have started using the 5.25 beta for the "Transfer from iPod to Local Media" option. With the current naming convention, I have noticed that after the "-##-" there should be a space before the <Title>. When I copy to local media from my iPod, the space is not there.

In essence I wanted:
<Artist> - <Album>\<Artist> -##- <Title>

But I get:
<Artist> - <Album>\<Artist> -##-<Title>



Sidenote:
I have also noticed that "Ripped Tracks" path cannot have too many spaces in the path. If for instance you would want a folder called: " \Music\!_____iPod_____!\ ", Winamp is truncating the pathname to: " \Music\! iPod !\ ".

The only reason I mention this, as it seems to be similar.

(Please note that I had to use underscore characters for the pathname in this example as the forum input field is also truncating the extra spaces. For reference, the underscore characters should be physical spaces.)

[Koopa]

Benski, can you upgrade in_mp4 and in_mp3 to support 32-bit input and output playback and encoding?
Why? I guess you haven't understood, what 32/24/16 bit means. ;)

[siebe83]

Originally posted by alexjoey
:o I'm figuring that for this bracket it's after bracket-time in which I say to add a space not after the title :D

this means pass from "(3:47)" to "(3:47) ". Yeah, it has been noted before, eg. here (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1447508#post1447508).
Would be nice to see this fixed one day.

Do note that this thread is for 5.25-specific issues only, though.
Originally posted by Serpher
I founded (i think so) a bug with scanning folers with mp3 files.
When "Rescan folders every --- minutes" option is turned on and "Rescan folders at startup" option is turned off (all of course by default) at Winamp startup folder(s) are scaned. Why? 2nd option is turned off... and 1st option have "(...) every 120 minutes"...
I don't understand that... How do you suggest it would work?

If you tell the ML to scan every 120 minutes, I think that it's logical that it scans at startup, then waits 120 minutes, then scans again. Basically, Winamp just starts counting again after the startup scan.
Or do you mean Winamp should store the time of the last scan and count from there, regardless of whether Winamp is closed/re-opened in between?

(again, not 5.25-specific)

[alexjoey]

Would be nice to see this fixed one day.Thank you for your answer of which I read the other topic, I know that here's not specific to the betas 5.25, simply, since we will next arrive in a final-release it was thus the moment to make a try on a very last beta.

[DrO]

i will add that adjusting the text string would affect all skins (irrespective of them being classic or modern). as such you just need to find someone to modify the modern skin (possible since the source files for it are available) and make a patched version from there. that way you're not dependant upon a nullsoft change which if it was to happen at all i wouldn't expect a prompt change on (tho i could be wrong like normal, heh)

-daz

[alexjoey]

"understood."
Good day & nice job.

[giovannibgr]

Originally posted by Benski
If you use a modern skin, there is a limited amount of Unicode support.

See in the bottom-right corner of this screenshot: http://stashbox.org/uploads/1157510493/win98.png

However, we can't make a non-unicode operating system suddenly support unicode everywhere :) This is definitely a feature that is only noticable on Windows NT OS's.

Well, i'm running on XP SP2 and i still get the same picture, i.e. the playlist still doesn't support unicode (though unicode filenames are ok now :) ). Doesn't "Unicode title support" mean that playlist should be ok too? Otherwise the unicode titles in ID3 editor are there since the 5.2 betas...

Also, are only the modern skins meant to support unicode? :(

[DJ Egg]

Yes. Make sure the correct font is selected in Prefs > Playlist
(you'll need to uncheck "use skin or lang pack font" first).
We recommend MS Arial Unicode (comes with MS Office) if you want support for just about all languages in 1 font.

www.meggamusic.co.uk/winamp/screenshots/winamp_unicode.png

Also, as explained in the first post in the thread, the Media Library (local media database) still doesn't support unicode characters/tags, so if your files have been added to the ml db then you'll need to do as it says in the Notes in the first post (ie. either remove said files from the ml db, or uncheck "use library info for title formatting" in Prefs). Unicode support for the ML (big job) is planned for the next major release.

[giovannibgr]

Well, this explains it all. Sorry, i'm just stuck with the classic skin :)

I still can't get the Notification balloon tip to get to show unicode, as well as Winamp's taskbar button.

For the latter, i suppose it's just another windows' problem... :) As for the first, if it's getting too much "newbie support section"-ish, just ignore it :D

[bunklung]

Oh man, you guys rocks! I'm so happy to finally see rock solid and seemless Play for Sure intergration. Great job guys.

[Koopa]

Originally posted by giovannibgr
...show unicode, as well as Winamp's taskbar button.
This is a known bug (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2018547#post2018547)

[bunklung]

I do notice that when plug in my Dell DJ and Windows asks me what application to launch, Windows Media Player, Winamp, or "Do Nothing"... When I select Winamp, Winamp does not load. When I select Windows Media Player, it does load.

[Chrissyx]

Guys?
Originally posted by Chrissyx
I was thinking about something like that:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=73BA7BD7-ED06-4F0D-80A4-2A7EEAEE17E2&displaylang=en
Should Win98SE User install this to run Winamp 5.25 properly?

[DrO]

winamp is already using that since it's built into the nscrt.dlls in the root winamp and plugin's folders.

-daz

[Kirie101]

UTF8 (Unicode?) doesn't seem to work here. In the picture that DJ Egg posted, the Kanji in the playlist and in the Winamp window was displaying correctly. I have switched to MS Arial Unicode for Winamp, and I do see the Kanji correctly in the playlist, but in the Winamp window, I just see a blank space where the Kanji should be.

See here:
http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=09112006174706zf8.png

And in the taskbar the Kanji shows up as "?????"


Using Windows XPSP2, by the way.

[Koopa]

And in the taskbar the Kanji shows up as "?????"
Just read a few postings above, this one is known.

[Edit]Hi DrO, don't worry :p

[DrO]

i've no idea about the main window text issue but the taskbar one is a known issue and was refered to only a few posts back

-daz

[edit]
doh too slow, koopa beats me again

[Kirie101]

Overlooked it, I guess :P

Hm, but what about the main window then? The Kanji showed up correctly in the picture that Dr Egg posted, as in here
http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/winamp/screenshots/winamp_unicode.png

[Koopa]

Strange, I see this as well but just in the modern skin.

(But I'm sure it worked before need to make some tests.)

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/5691/zwischenablage02eu5.th.png (http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zwischenablage02eu5.png)

Edit: Ok I fixed it on my system.

Winamp Preferences -> Skins -> Modern Skins -> Font Rendering -> make sure "Use the alternate fonts if the skin defines them" is checked.

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/5909/zwischenablage03uq6.th.png (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zwischenablage03uq6.png)

Don't know if this is a bug.

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by Kirie101
Hm, but what about the main window then? The Kanji showed up correctly in the picture that Dr Egg posted, as in here
http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/winamp/screenshots/winamp_unicode.png You're not giving us much to go on...
Does it display ok with the Classic skin? ie. is it a Modern skin only problem?

Note that unicode for the Taskbar and ML Local Media are MAJOR fixes, and will hopefully be implemented for the next major release after this one, as already mentioned a fair few times (see notes (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251985#notes)) ;-)

@Koopatrooper
I don't have that setting checkmarked, heh.

[Juanus]

Originally posted by will
[Image] (http://stashbox.org/uploads/1157058489/Winamp_Preferences.png)
Happy now?

Look MA! I am syncing playlists with no hands!

I have one issue so far. I have synced all of the playlists and that works GREAT! Thanks Will. However, on my Ipod, the playlists are in the same order that they are in the Winamp Media Library. As we know, you cannot sort the Playlists alphebetically in the Winamp Media Library yet, but, it used to be that after you synced using winamp, no matter what order it was in, the IPod would then automatically sort everything alphebetically.
Does this make sense?

Could it be because of the way that Winamp is writing the ITunes Database?
I did a complete restore of my Ipod, Then used ITunes to drag a song over *cough format button or something equivilent cough* then I did a complete sync with Winamp.

Also, is it possible to get three choices with the playlist sync.
Sync All
Sync only Selected
Sync only not selected

Thanks Will and all of the rest of the Devs. This new release is going to rock!

When I plugged the Ipod back into Itunes, then everything was alphebetised. I am not sure if this means something or helps you or not.

[Koopa]

@Koopatrooper
I don't have that setting checkmarked, heh.
Yeah maybe another setting or an 3rd party plug-in is the reason for this, haven't tried with clean install yet and I'm sure it has worked before without this setting.

Does it display ok with the Classic skin? ie. is it a Modern skin only problem?
Classic skin works fine.

[will]

Originally posted by Juanus
Look MA! I am syncing playlists with no hands!

I have one issue so far. I have synced all of the playlists and that works GREAT! Thanks Will. However, on my Ipod, the playlists are in the same order that they are in the Winamp Media Library. As we know, you cannot sort the Playlists alphebetically in the Winamp Media Library yet, but, it used to be that after you synced using winamp, no matter what order it was in, the IPod would then automatically sort everything alphebetically.
Does this make sense?Yeah. I'll sort that out for the next release.Also, is it possible to get three choices with the playlist sync.
Sync All
Sync only Selected
Sync only not selected "Update all playlists except those selected" with no playlists selected is the same as sync all.

I've added a thing to automatically sync on connection, and that has filled up all the remaining space on that dialog, so although i accept it would be clearer to have the 3rd option, i'm kinda running low on space for that. I don't want to have to reduce the size of the playlist selection box.

Glad it's working well for you :)

[Juanus]

Will, I see your delima and I appreciate your attempts to make this feature the best it can be. Thanks!
maybe a "select all/unselect all" button just in case I accidentally click one of the playlist check boxes and then forget about it. Or something... not that it needs to be implemented for this release... I am patient and appreciate all of the time and effort that you put in.
Thank You for such a great peice of software.

[jmbattle]

I know this thread is stickied, but...

*bump*

...for a new beta release ;)

Cheers,
James
x

[bemymonkey]

Hey, you guys remember my little problem with Winamp crashing every now and then while editing a bunch of files at once in the ML? I've narrowed the criteria down a little, and it seems that the crashes (which are usually silent since build 868) only occur when 1. the editing process takes agess for each file and 2. one of the files that's being edited is being played.

1. makes me suppose that the files in question were equipped only with ID3v1 tags, and adding a non-standard genre via the library's edit function caused Winamp to add an ID3v2 tag for each of the files. And since creating ID3v2 tags takes so long, maybe that's screwing with the function that lets you edit a file's tags while listening to it (as far as I can tell, the file is stopped, the tag is edited, and then the file is played again and winamp seeks to the spot where it stopped...).

Any thoughts? This would also explain why the bug is hard to reproduce (I can't even reproduce it when I "want" to...).

And by the way... since I formatted I haven't had the bug reoccur... until just five minutes ago :(. Lost all my ratings for the day again, hahah.

-edit-

Been testing, and it seems that Winamp doesn't create ID3v2 tags after all for non-standard genres... Guess that wasn't the problem. How come editing the genre on some files takes SO long then? Like... 10 seconds per file... On some files it barely takes a second for a batch of about 150 files... on others... bah. :P

[k_kolev1985]

HI everyone,

I've installed Winamp 5.25 build 868 beta and want to ask how can I know if my soundcard supports 24bit audio. My soundcard is Realtek AC97 Audio, but I don't know the exact model. Is there a way to find out the model of the soundcard and if it supports 24bit audio.
One more thing ... there's a bug (at least I think so) in the Winamp modern skin (the default one). In order to show cyrillic characters in the songticker, I have to checkmark "Use alternate fonts...". But ... the letters which are capital or high like capital ones are cutted on their upper side (see attachment). The option "Keep primary font..." is enabled and songs which contain only 7-bit characters are displayed with the skin's default font - those letters are not cut off (see attachment). Also that doesn't happen with Winamp's classic skin, so it's related to the modern default skin. That didn't happen with erlear versions of Winamp, so it's a 5.25 specific issue.

Thanks for your help in advance!
Best wishes!

[Koopa]

Originally posted by k_kolev1985
In order to show cyrillic characters in the songticker, I have to checkmark "Use alternate fonts...".
Hehe Egg, it seems, it's not just me. :p

(For Kirie101 my workaround seems to help as well, see some postings below)
I've installed Winamp 5.25 build 868 beta and want to ask how can I know if my soundcard supports 24bit audio. My soundcard is Realtek AC97 Audio, but I don't know the exact model. Is there a way to find out the model of the soundcard and if it supports 24bit audio.
Creative Audigy and Terratec Aureon are known to support 24Bit.
To check if 24Bit works:

Activate 24Bit support, goto Preferences -> Plugins -> Output -> "DirectSound output" open the config of the plug-in. Then goto the "Status" tab, when a file is playing, you should see 16bit or 24bit (if you chip has support for 24bit).

But remember if your soundchip or driver doesn't support 24Bit, then several errors could be shown.

[k_kolev1985]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
Hehe Egg, it seems, it's not just me. :p

Creative Audigy and Terratec Aureon are known to support 24Bit.
To check if 24Bit works:

Activate 24Bit support, goto Preferences -> Plugins -> Output -> "DirectSound output" open the config of the plug-in. Then goto the "Status" tab, when a file is playing, you should see 16bit or 24bit (if you chip has support for 24bit).

But remember if your soundchip or driver doesn't support 24Bit, then several errors could be shown.
Thank you for the information! I've done that and it shows "24bit", so it seams like that my soundcard has 24bit support. I am so HAPPY!
About the problem with cut off of characters - I've attached a screenshot of that title typed in a text editor -> that's the way it should show up in the songticker.


Disabling the FreeType internal TTF renderer solved the problem with the cut off of characters. But ... if disable the alternate fonts, no cyrillic characters can show in the songticker.

[Kirie101]

Heh, yep. Thanks Koopatrooper, that was the setting I had to enable. Works like a charm now. :)

Thanks to both of you.

[giovannibgr]

Originally posted by giovannibgr
...I still can't get the Notification balloon tip to get to show unicode, as well as...

Well, some posts ago i said you'd better just ignore the above, but i still cant' figure out what's wrong :confused:. Why does the notification (http://stashbox.org/uploads/1157510493/win98.png) in previous Benski's post show unicode perfectly, and that's even on 98SE, while my notifications are still full of question marks? (OS is XPSP2) :(
Is it a bug or the unicode notifications are a reverence to the 98SE users only, since they are natively handicapped in this aspect? :)

And, @k_kolev - i can confirm the cutout when alternate fonts are enabled, but it depends on the font i think. With Verdana e.g. things are just fine, but you need to DISABLE alternate fonts form skin (see attached configuration)

[EmuChicken]

The ripping process crashes if you have an mp3 playing at the same time.

[k_kolev1985]

Originally posted by giovannibgr
Well, some posts ago i said you'd better just ignore the above, but i still cant' figure out what's wrong :confused:. Why does the notification (http://stashbox.org/uploads/1157510493/win98.png) in previous Benski's post show unicode perfectly, and that's even on 98SE, while my notifications are still full of question marks? (OS is XPSP2) :(
Is it a bug or the unicode notifications are a reverence to the 98SE users only, since they are natively handicapped in this aspect? :)

And, @k_kolev - i can confirm the cutout when alternate fonts are enabled, but it depends on the font i think. With Verdana e.g. things are just fine, but you need to DISABLE alternate fonts form skin (see attached configuration)
Yes - that did it. It seams like it depends from the selected font. About the notification - the cyrillic fonts appear properly for me - see attachment. I don't know what exactly is happening.

[giovannibgr]

Well, if your system codepage is cyrillic (as it most probably is, since you're form Bg :) ), it's no surprise it shows cyrillic anywhere, it has nothing to do with unicode. If you now try naming a song with greek, chinese or any other hieroglyphic language (no offence ;) ) and it still shows correctly, then there's something i've f...ed up :)

[CraigF]

I believe you get best results if you use Arial Unicode from MS Office as your winamp font. It has all chars in one font and somewhat matches the default skin.

[DJ Egg]

Repeats repeats repeats.... ;-)
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2025666#post2025666
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2026337#post2026337
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1994834#post1994834

[emalvick]

I am sorry to repeat my question, but I am hoping someone can let me know if

1. I am missing something
2. It is a feature that might come in later or
3. It is a bug or problem with my device.

I am using the new USB feature with my mp3 player and I'd like to be able to transfer a file to the device with part of its current folder structure (rather than based on its ID3 tags).

I have no problem moving files based on the id3 tags... i.e. artist\album\original_filename.mp3, but it seems there is no way to use:

orig_folder1\orig_folder2\orig_filename.mp3

I am trying to eliminate using MediaMonkey, which has an option <folder>, which I've tried in Winamp, but doesn't seem to work (and doesn't show up in the help, so I assume it doesn't exist).

So, I am hopeing someone might clue me into whether this problem might be related to any of the 3 I posted above. I'm not sure it would be easy to add, but with the <filename> option working, it seems that a <folder> option could be implemented, especially if the depth of the tree could be specified.

I like using <folder> because it allows me to group a series of files into one folder for easy transfer between devices and ultimately it allows me to group CD's that are by essentially the same artist into one folder (although the tags may reflect different names).

Erik

[will]

Erik: I saw your post the first time, alright? No need to post the same thing 3 times. Infact, it's quite annoying.

No feature like that exists or is planned for now.

[giovannibgr]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Repeats repeats repeats.... ;-)

Sorry sorry sorry... ;-)

But really, i've got my settings like in
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2026337#post2026337
and i've done all the other stuff from all the threads mentioned...:) but they don't seem to affect the system tray notifications in any way (see attachment). That was my point, not the playlist - that issue got fixed right after your first reply :up:

edit: Hah, found it - it seems the notifications get their data directly from ML, regardless of the "Use library title information for Playlist item formatting" option, so removing the files from thte ML is the only option. Well, anyway, i waited this long to see unicode in the Playlist, i'll wait some more to see it in the ML too :)

[emalvick]

Will, I am sorry. I had no intention of annoying you or anyone, but I wanted to be sure there wasn't a problem with my device or something else. The first two posts I had were only an intent to cross-reference as I wasn't even sure if the original USB thread was being looked at since the USB feature was now integrated into the beta release, which is a more active thread. Feel free to remove the redundant posts as you see necessary.

As for the suggested feature; without that feature syncing a playlist to my device leaves me with the files and the playlist, but the playlist references folders that do not exist on the device making the playlist unusable. Since the USB feature as now included in Winamp is so similar to that in MediaMonkey, I had hoped they would become essentially the same by including the folder option. Heck, I'd be willing to program the feature into the USB plugin if possible.

I really dislike MediaMonkey, and since Winamp is so close to being a complete package for what I want to do, that one feature would be enough for me to remove all other media software.

Again, I am sorry for the multiple posts.

Erik

[Ojay]

Seems to be a bug:

- raw aac (MPEG II LC-AAC) are working fine with Winamp
- the same file placed in an mp4-container doesn't work anymore. You still get the file info box with all the info, but there is no playback. That has been reproduced by someone else.

Earlier Winamp versions and all other players around have no problems with the mp4 file...

[Benski]

Originally posted by Ojay
Seems to be a bug:

- raw aac (MPEG II LC-AAC) are working fine with Winamp
- the same file placed in an mp4-container doesn't work anymore. You still get the file info box with all the info, but there is no playback. That has been reproduced by someone else.

Earlier Winamp versions and all other players around have no problems with the mp4 file...
can you provide a sample file?

[Ojay]

oops. It is a 1h long file (actually a stream rip that I placed in the mp4-container). I will try to shorten it a bit and then upload it to sendspace or so. I will edit this post later to provide you a link. By the way, the same mp4-file works with Winamp 5.24 (but not with build 5.25beta build 868)

EDIT: Link to the two files, the original *.aac file and the mp4-container containing the same aac-file (a total of 4MB): http://www.sendspace.com/file/kyx54p I verified it again, the mp4-file does not work with 5.25.868

[Benski]

Originally posted by Ojay
oops. It is a 1h long file (actually a stream rip that I placed in the mp4-container). I will try to shorten it a bit and then upload it to sendspace or so. I will edit this post later to provide you a link. By the way, the same mp4-file works with Winamp 5.24 (but not with build 5.25beta build 868)


thanks, this has been fixed for final :)

[duntkno]

speaking of final, any projected dates as of when it might be released?

[DJ Egg]

when it's ready :-)

[duntkno]

lol ok

[GWLlosa]

I've got a Treo 650 which can read MP3s stored on SD cards. I have a device that plugs into a USB port and can read/write SD cards. With 5.25 build 868 beta, hitting autofill on a 1GB SD card fills it about 30% of the way, then freaks out and reports that it cannot create any additional files. Additionally, hitting autofill whenever there are files on there that it decides should be deleted crashes the program. Is there a solution to this? I'm using WinXP SP 2.

[MertcanKaya1991]

In whatsnew in About Winamp it over the character limit. It shows to 5.02. Have you noticed that!
C:\Documents and Settings\Cansarp\Belgelerim\Resimlerim\whatsnew.bmp

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by MertcanKaya1991
In whatsnew in About Winamp it over the character limit. It shows to 5.02. Have you noticed that!
[Image] (C:\Documents and Settings\Cansarp\Belgelerim\Resimlerim\whatsnew.bmp)

I had the "cannot create additional files" on my MuvoTX as well - also around 30% full...

Just checked - that's still the case. Any suggestions? The device is now 87% full and it's giving me the same error message, and deleting the temporary files on the player doesn't help...

What does this mean?

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2509/screenshotgn6.th.gif (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotgn6.gif)

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by MertcanKaya1991
In whatsnew in About Winamp it over the character limit. It shows to 5.02. Have you noticed that!It's limited to 32kb in that dialog.
You can still view the whole log by manually opening whatsnew.txt

[Logy]

can we expect the rc version before the final version release! (just like the win vista)! :D
adios!

[CraigF]

5.25 beta build 868 is old news.

[YtseJam]

Why don't you enlighten us about it, Craig? :)

[CraigF]

NO! :p

[alex_gamer]

just tried the replay gain, it's ok. I got two questions about it though, one: how do i remove it from the mp3 file, and two: how do i put the replay gain value into the ATF string?

[DJ Egg]

To remove it, just uncheck id3v2 in the tag editor, then update. If you remove the id3v2 tag then it also removes the rg info, because that's where it's stored.

I'm sure there's external tag editors out there that will let you remove just the rg info, heh.

The atf strings for rg are referenced in the first post in the thread (notes (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251985#notes)).

[kenwoods]

I've got that problem too (ID3v2 tags are disabled on all my MP3's)
furthermore, THERE ARE 2000 DUPLICATES IN MY MEDIA LIBRARY all of a sudden, after a rescan of the folders, some files appear 2-3 times.

What's happening?

[DJ Egg]

What do you mean by "ID3v2 tags are disabled on all my MP3's"?

Do you mean you've unchecked "Write ID3v2" under:
Prefs > Plugins > Input > in_mp3 > config > Titles\Tags tab, or something ?

Also, please confirm a clean install of build 868.
The local media duplicates bug was a bug in earlier builds.

[kenwoods]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
What do you mean by "ID3v2 tags are disabled on all my MP3's"?

Do you mean you've unchecked "Write ID3v2" under:
Prefs > Plugins > Input > in_mp3 > config > Titles\Tags tab, or something ?

Also, please confirm a clean install of build 868.
The local media duplicates bug was a bug in earlier builds.

I haven't disabled anything, the ID3v2 fields of many of my songs are currently "greyed-out", it seems as if the scan unticked the ID3v2 of all my songs (the ID3v2 is there, it's just greyed out, and I would want to tick 18,000 songs)

I confirm the 868 install.
what can I do now to remove the duplicates without creating it all over again and by that cleaning out all my playcounts?:cry:

[DJ Egg]

If the fields under ID3v2 are filled-in but grayed-out, then this usually means that they are Lyrics3 tags, not ID3v2 tags. You can confirm this by unchecking "Read Lyrics3" under the same in_mp3 config dialog that I referenced in my previous post.

Re: duplicates in ML database
Sorry, but I aren't sure if you'll be able to remove the duplicates without rebuilding the database. Alas, these things happen with beta software. You should never install beta software with intent to use it as a main program, ie. we expect you to keep 5.24 as your main player and install 5.25 beta to a separate dir and use it for testing purposes only. Or if you do install the beta into your main Winamp dir, then we recommend that you backup everything first, and especially the plugins\ml dir (ml database folder).

[alex_gamer]

after reading what dr egg siad, a problem of mine came up. i want to know if i can install third party plugins? (i've been using a clean install since starting to use 5.25 beta)

[bunklung]

Originally posted by bunklung
I do notice that when plug in my Dell DJ and Windows asks me what application to launch, Windows Media Player, Winamp, or "Do Nothing"... When I select Winamp, Winamp does not load. When I select Windows Media Player, it does load.

I think I was being a little to vague...

When you connect your Play for Sure device to your USB port and the MTP dialog comes up (this is the what-program-would-you-like-to-launch-dialog) with options such as, Windows Mediaplayer, Winamp, and "Do nothing". This is a similar dialog to when you insert a DVD into your computer. Anyhow, when you select Winamp, does Winamp load? Anyone?

[DJ Egg]

No, it doesn't. The problem is known and being looked into...

[kenwoods]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
If the fields under ID3v2 are filled-in but grayed-out, then this usually means that they are Lyrics3 tags, not ID3v2 tags. You can confirm this by unchecking "Read Lyrics3" under the same in_mp3 config dialog that I referenced in my previous post.

Re: duplicates in ML database
Sorry, but I aren't sure if you'll be able to remove the duplicates without rebuilding the database. Alas, these things happen with beta software. You should never install beta software with intent to use it as a main program, ie. we expect you to keep 5.24 as your main player and install 5.25 beta to a separate dir and use it for testing purposes only. Or if you do install the beta into your main Winamp dir, then we recommend that you backup everything first, and especially the plugins\ml dir (ml database folder).

This sucks...
can't you put a "remove duplicates" just like in the playlist editor?

[bemymonkey]

About the "Cannot Create File" problem with portable players - the reason is that the files being created are being renamed on the fly from the ID3 Tags. If the ID3 Tags contain a / or a * or other illegal character, the file isn't created...

Plz fix! ;)...

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by blackcoma
This sucks...
can't you put a "remove duplicates" just like in the playlist editor? Well, no, because there shouldn't be any duplicates anyway (ie. the exact same file with the same path & filename shouldn't be listed more than once in the database).

As I said, this bug was fixed in b868 (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2020901#post2020901)
Originally posted by Benski

Changes between b857 and b868

* Fixed: duplicate media library entries bug (unfortunately your old duplicate entries will still exist)

[CraigF]

Originally posted by alex_gamer
after reading what dr egg siad, a problem of mine came up. i want to know if i can install third party plugins? (i've been using a clean install since starting to use 5.25 beta)

Can install whatever you want, just be aware that third party plugins make debugging more difficult, and should you come into any issues with the beta's, its advisable to try a clean install to reproduce it.

Thats not to say that running beta's with third party plugins doesnt show up other bugs too.

[amano]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
So something like this maybe?
http://forums.winamp.com/attachment.php?postid=2021931

Can we have a third option: "Do not ask, always write track gain"?

I don't know, how option 2 would work though, since no beta was provided with it.

EDIT: Hmm. Or does it do that already? What happens if you uncheck the checkbox. Does winamp always write the track gain then?

[Koopa]

I guess "Album Gain" writes the "Track Gain" info too.

[Vash2000]

Nice, like the updates but for me it seems kinda the same as 5.24.

[siebe83]

It still has Winamp written all over it!

[elfin]

exuse me for my poorest english
hey guys, try to reproduce this (maybe bug): start winamp (with some classic skin) toggle playlist editor ON (if it not) minimize winamp (in some way) restore winamp (in some way) toggle playlist editor OFF minimize winamp (in some way) restore winamp (in some way)after this steps (after last restoring) on my two systems (1-winme, 2-win2ksp4), playlist editor still shown, but 'Playlist Editor' in menu or button on WA main window is not checked. :eek:
this behavior actual not only for latest beta build (5.25), but for latest WA final release (5.24) and older ver. toooo.
if this 'bug-report' is not correct or not reproducable - DJ Egg can throw addled egg to me :igor: & erase this reply...

P.S. sorry for spend your time guys!

[lord_ah]

yup, above bug reproduced on 5.25 beta build 868. clean install, no 3rd party plugins installed etc.

[xen withanex]

seconded, also reproduced.

[Winner2]

Odd! Yes, I confirm this behavior also with 5.25 build 868 on a Windows 2000 Professional OS.

[alex_gamer]

Originally posted by CraigF
Can install whatever you want, just be aware that third party plugins make debugging more difficult, and should you come into any issues with the beta's, its advisable to try a clean install to reproduce it.

Thats not to say that running beta's with third party plugins doesnt show up other bugs too.

That's good to know.

and if there is a problem, i'll take out the third party stuff to see if it's in the core.

[CraigF]

Originally posted by alex_gamer
That's good to know.

and if there is a problem, i'll take out the third party stuff to see if it's in the core.

Correct. And its usually a good idea to do it piece by piece, third party down to base install, then you get to identify which specific plugin is at fault.

That way you have the absolute best information to make a report with. A reproducable test case, and the specific file thats at fault. Cant really ask for more.

Happy bug hunting.

[261A5050]

Originally posted by flocksoft
@ 261A5050:

afaik the reason of that error are some modern skins

PS: guru meditation is an homage to the equivalent of pc "blue screen of the death" (fatal error) on Amiga computer


- guru meditation on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Meditation)
- blue screen of death on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death)
This was using the Modern skin that comes with Winamp. Unfortunately I don't know what I did to cause it so I can't reproduce it.

[Juanus]

Hi Devs, I don't know how I missed this before. When you rip a CD and it makes a playlist for you, when you open the playlists up in notepad the paths are written as

#EXTINF:168,Nick Bognar - Swan Dive
C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Desktop\Nick Bognar - I'm In Love And I Hate It\10 - Nick Bognar - Swan Dive.mp3

where as in 5.24 they are written as
#EXTINF:168,Nick Bognar - Swan Dive
10 - Nick Bognar - Swan Dive.mp3

Given that I rip to the desktop and then move them to the correct folder, this is a problem for me. Is this by design or a bug?

[STanger]

It does that because you're ripping to desktop so I'd have to say it's by design. I'd just rip to whatever folder you have set in your ML prefs. That way you don't have to rescan for they're automatically added.

and you won't get that pesky \Owner\Desktop in your ML playlists.

[spin26]

shuting down windows w/o closing winamp first... winamp doesnt seem to close properly as when running winamp on the next start the old playlist is still there..
or maybe its just me get properly close winamp before hitting the power button...:D

btw about jtfe..
i have multiple queues on the manage list (16) the searchmode> search a file >play w/o closing jumptofile> clear search string(backspace)> search again > play again w/o finishing the song >search>play>search&play
i do this when trying to create a playlist for an audio cd later... it seems that the some of the queued files are lost though they should not (about 11 left) bec. no song has ended (search and play for 3 secs)..
on the other hand going to -search mode again > search for the last queued file - it shows queued as "title - [16 of 16]" going to manage mode again, 11 on the list, i mean there are only 11 queued files.
maybe its just hapens only to me..
:rolleyes:

[Juanus]

Originally posted by STanger
It does that because you're ripping to desktop so I'd have to say it's by design. I'd just rip to whatever folder you have set in your ML prefs. That way you don't have to rescan for they're automatically added.

and you won't get that pesky \Owner\Desktop in your ML playlists.

It actually has to do with relative and absolute paths. And if you backup your music collection like I do then ALL of your playlists will not work on your backup drive unless you put them back exactly where they were before. same drive letter, same folder, ect. Or even if you just decide to move a folder or change a folder name to make things more tidy.

It was not this way in 5.24 so I am seeing if this is a planned change or an oversight somewhere. It would seem to make sense that since winamp makes self contained folders of each album ripped that the relative path method of 5.24 would be better and more efficient.

[giovannibgr]

Originally posted by spin26
shuting down windows w/o closing winamp first... winamp doesnt seem to close properly as when running winamp on the next start the old playlist is still there..

Well, this is an old bug (since 5.2, if i remember well) and it shoud be reported already somewhere else (and not discussed in this 5.25 beta thread ;) )...

PS: Problem is i can't find it anywhere else in the forums too.. So i cannot put a link to the thread.. spin, are we the only ones having this problem? :)

[spin26]

Originally posted by giovannibgr
Well, this is an old bug (since 5.2, if i remember well) and it shoud be reported already somewhere else (and not discussed in this 5.25 beta thread ;) )...

PS: Problem is i can't find it anywhere else in the forums too.. So i cannot put a link to the thread.. spin, are we the only ones having this problem? :)

I think so.. i'm to lazy not to close winamp before shuting down :p
and i decided it to post it in this beta thread hoping it will be fixed!;)

[EmuChicken]

Aye, I still get "DVDA - Fighting Love" every time I open winamp lol :-)

"suburashi chinchin mono, kintama no kame aruuuu!"

brief translation - "suprised willy piece, there are balls on a turtle" ... awesome

[woeger]

Any plans to support the new iTunes Gapless encoding standard that they now use in iTunes 7 and new iPods? Apple introduced their own way of including/embedding Gapless informations in MP3 and M4A/AAC files they create. Will WinAmp be able to play files detecting the new Gapless information that iTunes is embedding in the files it encodes?

For a discussion of iTunes and iPods support for this embedded Gapless info in files see: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=48231&hl=

[Koopa]

woeger you should read this thread (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=255561)

[woeger]

Thanks, that link to the thread answers my question. Can't wait to see iTunes 7 Gapless playback in WinAmp... Thanks guys!

[CraigF]

Its already been done.

[Juanus]

with the lack of information from the devs any serious bug reports, I sense something BIG coming.

[DrO]

yes, the dev team have been imprisoned and will no longer be able to code due to their index fingers having been removed with a rusty spoon.

-daz

[YtseJam]

Guys... MS bought Nullsoft.

[Sawg]

No they haven't. Stop being retarded.

[Benski]

Originally posted by DrO
yes, the dev team have been imprisoned and will no longer be able to code due to their index fingers having been removed with a rusty spoon.

-daz

I just typed this with my nose.

[DrO]

better cut that off as well then...

k, sarcasm mode over and done with now, just because the devs haven't posted for a bit doesn't necessarily mean anything big is going to happen, hell people could be on holiday and all that (devs do have lives... so i've heard). so just keep a pinch of patience by your side and wait for things as we all have to do :)

-daz

[YtseJam]

Originally posted by Sawg
No they haven't. Stop being retarded.

Stop being so serious. lol:rolleyes:

I was kidding!
Don't take me as a newb. Godamn condecending sawg person.:)

[Sawg]

But it is more fun that way :P

[YtseJam]

You're a newb yourself, Mr. registered Jun 2006. :D
(and yes I know sawg was here since before time!)

[elfin]

exuse me for my poor english start Wimamp (it's not mistake %^) - see img's) open prefs plugins —› input dblclick on in_mod.dll go to Player tab set Stereo Separation to MAX (400% - lastest position at slider) press OK button for save changes [changes really saves (pansep=512), but heh...] dblclick on in_mod.dll again click Player tab see on Stereo Separation slider position this is fun, isn't? :D
this bug very old (it seems from WA 5.0 to this beta) - i'll be boring without it :( (if WA devteam fix it at all)

attached pics contains other prerelease fun :rolleyes: [only_not_serious_mistakes]

P.S. sorry for spend your time guys!

[Logy]

i got one:
same nullsoft modules preferences... but in loaders tab, you can see "when disable, this filetypes is ignored by Mikamp"
What is Mikamp? it is typo or some thing i don't know about it!
Cheeers! :D
adios!!!

[elfin]

exuse me for my poor english
i think that "Mikamp" - own/personal name of "Nullsoft Module Decoder Plug-in" and this name because "Based on Mikmod Sound System" (plug-in core) - you may check screenshot
P.S. sorry for spend your time guys!

[COtto1984]

I got the new 30 gig ipod just released and I am having trouble with the syncing feature. When I remove a file from my Media Library, then select my iPod under Portables, click sync, it removes the song from the ipod, but the artist is still listed on the ipod itself even though the song is gone. And yes this particular song was the only one for this artist. Also, when I reconnect my ipod, it shows the artist and song within the portable media library. However, when I scroll down to the artist/song in the portable media library and click remove, it works just fine.

[kicarus]

Bugs in Winamp 5.25 beta:


1. 32-bit float WAV bug:
Playing 32-bit float WAVs (I tested with 32-bit float 48kHz WAVs) results in very loud static instead of audio.
Note:24-bit playback IS enabled in the settings.
It seems when 24-bit support is enabled,Winamp doesn't convert the 32-bit float WAV to 32-bit Int..Nearly all 24-bit soundcards don't support float WAVs directly,
(the only exception being X-Fi based cards which can handle FP streams)
By turning off 24-bit playback,there's no such issue,but I get only 16-bit sound then :(
By contrast,Foobar2000 plays them perfectly when setting the output to 32-bit.Works with DirectSound,Kernel Streaming and 24/96 ASIO output.

Winamp 5.24 plays them correctly(Output set to 32-bit in the in_wave configuration),but the final output is still 16-bit,I think.


2. All WAV files display "Untitled" instead of the filename.There are no tags in WAV files by default like those in MP3s.


3. in_midi.dll / DirectSound output bug:
When using the 'DirectMusic\Microsoft Synthesizer (with output)' and the DirectSound output plugin,MIDI playback pops,skips and stutters.There's also an additional pause/silence upon starting playback.
If using the normal DirectMusic\Microsoft synth setting (*without* output),there's no such issues:Playback starts instantly and no stuttering or artifacts.But quality is not optimal with this setting: 44kHz sounds bad on a 48/96/192kHz soundcard with crappy resampling,so I must output through HQSoftProc or Otachan's SSRC plugin).
When using this combination MIDI: DirectMusic\MS synth (with output) -> HQSoftProc -> DirectSound out,I get a long pause (interruption) after 2 seconds of playback.Set HQSoftProc precision to a higher setting: ex. 200 or higher to experience this issue.With Winamp 5.2 or older this didn't happen,even with overkill settings (500+)

Tested with 5.24,all 5.25 beta builds and even 2.91. It's a long-standing bug.

[DJ Egg]

#1 is already fixed internally

Can't reproduce #2
Could be something to do with your ATF string not referencing $if2(%title%,$filepart(%filename%))

Can't reproduce #3 at all

[COtto1984]

Any news on my problem?

[guest5555]

edit: corrected. prefs/media library/library options
'play search results..." was checked by default. this should probably default to 'unchecked'.

Bug found! if this has been addressed already my applogies otherwise...

1. Click Media library button on GUI
2. Right click a song in the library
3. Choose 'Play selection'

Now open playlist and you will see your entire library added as a playlist!!!

I've recreated this over and over.

win xp 32bit
winamp full beta 5.25 b868

[Stone Free]

Originally posted by guest5555
Bug found! if this has been addressed already my applogies otherwise...

1. Click Media library button on GUI
2. Right click a song in the library
3. Choose 'Play selection'

That one has been around for quite a few versions (5.24 and below), its always annoyed me, but for some reason I never got round to posting about it.

Funily enough if you choose enqueue file it only adds the selection to the playlist.

Speaking of bugs and enqueuing choosing "Enqueue and Play" in explorer starts playing the track immediately even if another item is already playing.

At home I have a microsoft multimedia keyboard and the buttons work fine if the current skin is not a modern one, but if it is nothing happens.

I have tried it here at work using shortcut keys on the keyboard instead of multimedia keys and that works fine.

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by guest5555
edit: corrected. prefs/media library/library options
'play search results..." was checked by default. this should probably default to 'unchecked'.Expected behaviour :-)
Originally posted by Stone Free
Speaking of bugs and enqueuing choosing "Enqueue and Play" in explorer starts playing the track immediately even if another item is already playing. That's what 'enqueue & play' is meant to do :-)

[guest5555]

Well so far I have only one particular gripe or question with this build868 replay gain. First the good- I scanned replay/gain on my song library of like 500 songs consisting of MP3 and M4a files. Process took about 15 minutes to perform. Cued up numerous songs after and it works excellent! No problems. Levels all sound very even. Great work!

Now the bad-
However, after the scanning was completed i came back to find like 50 winamp replay gain results windows open! :eek:
The first window consisted of the scan results of the bulk of the songs (maybe 250 songs) the other 50 windows each had maybe one or two-six song results displayed per box. ?? why were these file results different than the large batch results? Quite annoying having to click 'save' on 50 windows! And this was only 500 songs scanned. Imagine the nuisance if it had been thousands of songs in the collection. Is this expected bahaviour due to some setting or possible bug?

[J_Darnley]

There is a seperate window for every album and one for all tracks without an album. As far as I know there is no setting to alter that.

[DJ Egg]

Not in b868 anyway...

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2021931#post2021931

[TheUniqueTiger]

Well, does the screenshot shown in the above link show b868 RG config OR the internal build for the Final? Bcos I have b868 installed but on clicking 'Configure plug-in' button pops up a box with 'This plugin has no configuration implemented.'

[DJ Egg]

I do believe I said "not in b868" above ;-)

Yes, the screenshot is from the internal builds, not public.

Patience people, it's all good, and coming soon....

[Serpher]

- ID3 Tag editor doesn't update (new, changed, removed) informations from tag at every time.

----
Little improvment:
- could you improve speed of showing the current VBR in main window?

that's all :p

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by Serpher
- ID3 Tag editor doesn't update (new, changed, removed) informations from tag at every time. Hmm... what do you mean exactly?
Whatever it is, I'm pretty sure I can't reproduce it, heh.

[Serpher]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Hmm... what do you mean exactly?
Whatever it is, I'm pretty sure I can't reproduce it, heh.

What exactly?
For ex. I was turned off the ID3v1 and pressed Update button. After that I klicked ALT + 3 and ID3v1 tag wasn't turned off....

[DJ Egg]

Hmm, are the files 'read-only' maybe?

[Serpher]

No, they aren't. It happens sometimes on random files (mp3).

[Edit --> DJ Egg]
Sorry, but no-one can reproduce this.

[Paparazzi]

Mods ... if this id Off topic has to go as a seperate thread, please do so.

When I upload songs into my ipod, they all get loaded into MyPod (thats what the pod is named). Then, when I want to move them into playlist, I am unable to differentiate between whats added then and those added earlier :( ... they all get added to the mass!

Right now, after dragging and droping the files to the iPod, I can see under "Portables" the "Transfer Queue" which shows the list of files and the status such as "Transferring" or "Done". I was wondering if it would be possible after its all "Done", from that window itself, I have an option to right click the files either individually or as a group and say "Send to Playlist". Now, right clicking is not a possibility under the "Transfer Queue" window.

If this could be done, it would be easy to organize the newly added files into playlist!

Hope that I was clear with that explanation!

Thanks & Cheers!

[Stone Free]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Expected behaviour :-)
That's what 'enqueue & play' is meant to do :-)
I thought that if winamp was not playing that it would add the item to the queue and play it, but if something was already playing it would be queued as the next song.

How do I do that?

Could have sworn that it used to work that way.

[DJ Egg]

Go to: Winamp > Prefs > Jump to File > Shell Options tab
and set up the 'Enqueue & Play' option to taste.

(again, this is not a 5.25-beta-specific issue)

[will]

Originally posted by Paparazzi
Mods ... if this id Off topic has to go as a seperate thread, please do so.

When I upload songs into my ipod, they all get loaded into MyPod (thats what the pod is named). Then, when I want to move them into playlist, I am unable to differentiate between whats added then and those added earlier :( ... they all get added to the mass!

Right now, after dragging and droping the files to the iPod, I can see under "Portables" the "Transfer Queue" which shows the list of files and the status such as "Transferring" or "Done". I was wondering if it would be possible after its all "Done", from that window itself, I have an option to right click the files either individually or as a group and say "Send to Playlist". Now, right clicking is not a possibility under the "Transfer Queue" window.

If this could be done, it would be easy to organize the newly added files into playlist!

Hope that I was clear with that explanation!

Thanks & Cheers! Good question. I can't promise anything for the next release, but I will try and solve this problem soon.

[Paparazzi]

Thanks Will :)

[shane.kiwi]

Hi guys,

I'm no expert in Winamp but here are a few things that came up when using the new synch to USB feature of 5.25 (Really cool!!)

I am using SD Cards plugged into built-in meadi reader and USB media reader. Using for a phone (Nokia N80)

I setup my USB settings to transcode to M4a with a max of 128K so I can fit a good few songs on a 2GB card. (A lot of my songs are much higher bitrate on my pc)

Then I synch using a query that selects all 5 star songs. I copy the files in the following structure:
F:\Music\<Artist>\<Album>\<Artist> - ## - <Title>

(By default you might want to use some layout like this because after just a couple of hundred songs the default way no more songs are written as the file system only supports so many songs in a single folder)

This works fine the first time and it copies all the songs onto my card. But when going back to synch again it starts copying and transcoding a lot of the songs I already have again.

The main problems I have worked out are:
* Some of the songs had no title in the tag - they were just reading the song title from the file name.
* Forgien letters in songs with french titles etc. Eg. é, ú etc. Also Brackets and some other characters caused similar problems.
* Files ripped using iTunes into m4a cause the same problem - I presume because the ID tags are different.
* Some times where only V2 or V3 tags are present.

While i got over all the above apart from the m4a files by editing just through i'd mention it.

Also when swapping drives from pc to laptop or other reader:

When moving from F: Drive (Built in) and swapping a card into the N: Drive (External reader) winamp locks up trying to manage the card and I have to delete the pmp_usb.ini. Perhaps the drive related settings could be set to %drive%/folder instead of F:\Folder\ ?

sorry if some of these issues are already brought up but I only scanned through the 25 pages of posts..

[shane.kiwi]

Sorry please ignore the part of my last comment about m4a tags - I nly had two albums ripped using iTunes - And both these were double albums with (Disk X) in the album title - So it is just the round brackets again causing my problem not the fact they are m4a tracks at all!

[mark007]

BUG - Modern Skin not showing mp3 file details after program close attempt, during a cd-r being burnt.

Hi guys. I have reproduced this bug on my machine more than once so I am submitting it here. I do not see an easy way to search for a similarly submitted bug so here we go.

I am using Winamp 5.25 beta build 868.
While burning a playlist of mp3's today to cd-rw, I attempted to exit winamp by mistake. Winamp warned me that it couldn't close which is fine. But when I go back into winamp and try and play any song, the main winamp dock, that displays minutes of a song left, song title etc, are all blank.

I can still play any song from my media library, the oscilloscope works fine but no details about the file are displayed at all. After the cd is burnt / winamp is closed and reopened, winamp goes back to normal. I am using the Winamp Modern skin with the MonoDark Color Theme.

If you need more details on my setup I can get back to you.

Cheers,
Mark

[losta]

Feature request for 5.25 final. Can you, Benski, put final 3.97 version of Lame MP3 encoder in future 5.25 final.

Thanks.

Download link for Lame 3.97 final is http://rarewares.poskolio.com/lame-3.97-win32.zip

[Serpher]

I agree with losta, yeah Benski "put final 3.97 version of Lame MP3 encoder in future 5.25 final".

[Benski]

Originally posted by losta
Feature request for 5.25 final. Can you, Benski, put final 3.97 version of Lame MP3 encoder in future 5.25 final.

Thanks.

Download link for Lame 3.97 final is http://rarewares.poskolio.com/lame-3.97-win32.zip

already done :)

[DJ Egg]

http://lame.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/lame/lame/doc/html/history.html?revision=1.82
afaik, the only difference between lame 3.97 beta 3 and final is the name change.

But yeah, it's already in :-)


[edit] doh, too slow (hi benski)

Hmm, I feel an imminent urge coming on to kill this thread. Now I wonder why... ;-)

[Serpher]

ok then, when next build?? :D

[DrO]

when it's ready... :D

-daz

[Serpher]

wow... @_@ :D

[losta]

please, Benski, put new beta build soon. We can't wait much longer.

P.S. Benski, are you deliberately delaying Winamp 5.25 for some reason? For example, CT order you to wait until they release new version of their CT AAC+ codec?

[K3MIST]

Benski i have an mp3 that effects the track time again * VBR RIP* (it has it jumping around) with beta 868.. i could PM you a link so you can download the mp3 and check it out yourself.

[CraigF]

@losta, the delay isnt due to CT (afaik, there will be no (another?) update to CT codec. It's complete as far as our immediate concerns (aside from a new bug discovered by Egg yesterday). Some of us have already moved on past that version :P

@K3MIST, have you tried running the mp3 through vbrfix? its likely that its just a broken mp3.

[spin26]

i dont know where to post this ml_playlist bug {not sure though} but i was using this beta version so here it is...

i think this buug is dedicated to ml_playlists.dll

create 2 quite huge playlist of 16000+ titles, and add them to youre ML playlists
open task manager goto processes tab and look for winamp.exe's mem.usage include VMsize if you want,

then open ML on the playlists tree > select hugeplaylist1 then select hugeplaylist2

by this time winamp is using about 63000kb memory, then select hugeplaylist1 then select hugeplaylist2 , alternately view this 2 a couple more times any you will be out of resources in no time....

i discovered this memleak when trying to reproduce this bug:
if i have a playlist of 2000+ titles on ml_playlist then select all(ctrl+a) then drag to another playlists on the tree gives me a winamp crash... cant reproduce it properly .. on the first couple of times it will crash then winamp will restart then it will not crash anymore.. end winamp.exe on the process tab then run WA again then try to copy via drag the plylist again and it will crash again...

[Jinded]

I haven't seen anyone mention this bug yet.

If I highlight one or more songs in the playlist, as soon as I click on another song or in the empty space in the playlist window, the names of all highlighted songs change to that of the first song in the playlist.

If I double-click the song, it'll still play the correct song.

If I look at the ID3 info, it displays the correct ID3 tag.

If I search for the song in JTF, it'll display the wrong name but still play the correct song.


I'm using Windows XP 64-bit if it helps.

[Rocker]

jinded: i can't reproduce.

[Hanschke]

will there be a new public beta soon? or maybe a final :rolleyes: thank you for making the best player better than ever ;)

[will]

chillax, yo.