Winamp 5.25 beta preview (build 868)

[DJ Egg]

Winamp 5.25 Beta, build 868

Winamp 5.25 Beta Full (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0868_beta_full.exe)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Pro (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0868_beta_pro.exe) (asks for key during install)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Standard (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0868_beta_std.exe) (same as Full but no ML or viz)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Lite (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0868_beta_lite.exe)

What's New

Winamp 5.25
* New: Unicode filename and title support
* New: M3U8 (Unicode) playlist support
* New: optional 24bit playback for many codecs (turn it on in Preferences->Playback)
* New: added ml views & playlists to Play-> submenu of main right click popup menu
* New: Replaygain support for MP3, M4A/AAC and OGG (enable in Prefs > Playback)
* New: [ml_pmp] Transcoding. Converts incompatible files on-the-fly.
* New: [ml_pmp] Playback now works for playsForSure and Creative NJB devices
* New: [ml_pmp] "Copy to Library" - transfer songs from any device to your local library
* New: [ml_pmp] video sync support for portables
* New: [ml_rg] replaygain scanner (access via Send To menu)
* New: [pmp_usb] USB Portable/Device Support
* Improved: 24bit EQ support
* Improved: fullscreen video seekbar
* Improved: ATF updates
* Improved: DC filter on spectral visualization, to remove bass bias
* Improved: preference cleanups
* Improved: faster PLS writing
* Improved: "Close Winamp" option after installation (after clicking 'Send')
* Improved: [gen_ff] better sample rate display
* Improved: [in_dshow] AVI metadata reading
* Improved: [in_dshow] better WAV support
* Improved: [in_mp3] 24bit MP3 playback, 64bit internal precision
* Improved: [in_mp3] streaming id3v2 support
* Improved: [in_mp3/in_mp4] 24bit AAC playback
* Improved: [in_wave] better outputs bits-per-sample choosing
* Improved: [ml_local] better non-english query support
* Improved: [ml_pmp] Only relevant columns shown in song views
* Improved: [ml_pmp] "Getting Metadata" now much faster
* Improved: [ml_pmp] devices can now be renamed
* Improved: [ml_pmp] added progress to portables tree item (no more switching views)
* Improved: [ml_pmp] metadata guessing based on filename
* Improved: [ml_pmp] improved GUI performance
* Improved: [pmp_ipod] support for iTunesLock
* Fixed: Burning files that require resampling
* Fixed: multiple copies of Winamp when opening too many files/folders from explorer
* Fixed: freeze when exiting via System Tray icon
* Fixed: Delay/hang when loading dead stream url's
* Fixed: crash when directdraw fails to create primary surface
* Fixed: [enc_lame] broken vbr presets
* Fixed: [enc_lame] 24bit input support
* Fixed: [gen_ff] layerfx not being redrawn on colortheme change
* Fixed: [gen_ff] gradient drawing glitch and crash
* Fixed: [gen_ff] custom color themes bug
* Fixed: [gen_jumpex] hang when suspending or hibernating
* Fixed: [in_cdda] cutoff of last few sectors
* Fixed: [in_dshow] crash when using DSP/EQ on anything bigger than 16bit stereo
* Fixed: [in_midi] truncated playback of some MIDI files
* Fixed: [in_mod] title display bug for module streams with no title
* Fixed: [in_mp3] crash when editing ID3 tags
* Fixed: [in_mp3] ID3v2 and ID3v1 Comment & Genre tags shared
* Fixed: [in_mp3] Inaccurate Time Remaining display for AAC files
* Fixed: [in_wm] DRM Video playback on certain hardware
* Fixed: [in_wm] freezeup when seeking a paused wma/wmv
* Fixed: [in_wm] Hang with dead WMV link in pledit in Repeat mode
* Fixed: [ml_disc] CD ripping / playlist generation bug
* Fixed: [ml_disc] CD Ripping view showing up when clicking on other ml views
* Fixed: [ml_online] Online Media bugfix (don't try to play NULL streams)
* Fixed: [ml_playlists] losing stream titles
* Fixed: [ml_playlists] sort by title
* Fixed: [ml_playlists] Send To from local media to ml playlist replaces instead of enqueues
* Fixed: [ml_playlists] Enqueue as default broken in left pane
* Fixed: [ml_playlists] Playlist title > rt-click > New Playlist = broken
* Fixed: [ml_playlists] tracklength bug
* Fixed: [ml_playlists] playlist paths issue
* Fixed: [ml_pmp] Transfers stalling after encountering a dupe
* Fixed: [out_ds] volume not hitting 0dB when using log or hybrid volume control
* Fixed: [pmp_ipod] Artist list on iPod not sorting "The" correctly
* Updated: [enc_lame] LAME 3.97b3
* Updated: [gen_ff] Freetype 2.2.1
* Updated: [gen_ff] libpng 1.2.12
* Updated: [gen_jumpex] Jump-to-File 0.97.7h
* Updated: [in_wave] libsndfile 1.0.16
* Updated: [libmp4v2] MPEG4IP mp4v2 1.5
* Updated: Sonic Engine 3.2.40.500


Build 801 changelog (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2004166#post2004166)

Build 812 changelog (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2006961#post2006961)

Build 825 changelog (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2010242#post2010242)

Build 834 changelog (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2012044#post2012044)

Build 843 changelog (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2014986#post2014986)

Build 857 changelog (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2018550#post2018550)

Build 868 changelog (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2020901#post2020901)


Updates

Newer in_vorbis.dll available - download (http://forums.winamp.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=2021078) | info (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2021078#post2021078)
(fixes ReplayGain scan for .ogg files in b868)

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notes
Notes

The Media Library (Local Media & Playlists) still doesn't support unicode, so either don't add files with non-latin characters to the ml, or uncheck "use library title info for playlist item formatting" in Prefs > Media Library > Local Media (to make titles display correctly in the playlist window). Unicode support for the ML is planned for the next major release.
The same applies to the Taskbar icon, where you'll probably just see ?????? instead.
Note that both of these two issues require a MAJOR fix before they can be implemented.

Note the new "Playback" section in the Preferences.

This will be filled out more in due course.
"Allow 24bit" is unchecked by default (for sound cards/chips which don't support it).
With it unchecked, playback will still be 16bit, as in all previous versions.
With it checked, playback will be 24bit instead of 16, or 32/64bit depending on the file being played (eg. 32bit float-point WAVs will be played at 32bit).
"Allow surround sound" is checked by default, and is now required for files encoded with multiple channels (5.1).
You can see the current Output Format via the Status tab in out_ds config,
eg. for this file (http://tuner2.streamguys.com/lynne/Bjorn_Lynne-Astronavigator_surround.aac) you should see "48000 Hz, 24bits per sample, 6 channels".
"Force mono" is unchecked by default, but can now be used globally if needs be.
At this time, these settings effect in_mp3, in_mp4, in_mod, in_wave and in_vorbis
(in_wm to come soon, not sure about in_midi, heh).
Also note that 3rd-party input plugins will currently not use these shared settings, though the 5.25 SDK (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=252090) should provide developers with all the necessary info.
rg
Build 843 and later has global ReplayGain, currently supported by in_mp3, in_mp4 and in_vorbis (other formats to come). Note that when RG is enabled in Prefs > Playback, the default preamp for non-replaygained files is -6dB, so you might want to increase this value if you find that some files are playing too quietly (0dB is equivalent to normal playback).
To scan/apply replaygain to mp3 files, right-click the selection in the ml or playlist and use the Send To menu > Calculate Replay Gain.
The filenames for the RG Scanner are ml_rg.dll & ReplayGainAnalysis.dll (Winamp\Plugins)

From build 843, ATF now supports:

%replaygain_track_gain%
%replaygain_album_gain%
%replaygain_track_peak%
%replaygain_album_peak%
%gain%

eg. [ '( Gain:' %replaygain_track_gain% ')']

Note: %gain% currently only works for mp3

Be warned that calculating ReplayGain uses high amounts of cpu (no matter what program you use to do it with), so we advise that you only scan large amounts of files overnight whilst you sleep. Scanning single tracks/albums should be ok to do at any time, though make sure no other cpu-intensive process is running concurrently.

known
Known Issues

-Audigy 2 ZS EAX effects alternating on & off in 24bit mode
(note, this is a hardware limitation, not a winamp bug/issue)
Solution: disable 'fade on seek' in out_ds config > fading.

-Prefs > Shoutcast Wire > Subscription Updates: Update Every setting resets to Never on Winamp Restart (note, we can't reproduce this on clean installs and aren't yet sure what the cause of it is on upgrades).

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Report any issues with the beta here in this thread. Do not post them in the main Tech or Bugs forums (unless they also exist in 5.24). As always, provide as much relevant info (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=161361#specs) as possible to help us to reproduce any potential bugs/issues. And remember that reports (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66558) are only valid for clean installs with no 3rd-party plugins. Lame/vague reports will probably just be ignored. You have been warned!

Please keep this thread to the discussion of 5.25-specific issues only.
Remember, this isn't the wishlist, so please don't post feature requests here.

______________________________________________
Old Winamp 5.24 Released thread (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=248100)
Old Winamp 5.23 Beta thread (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=248016)
Old Winamp 5.22 Released thread (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=247003)
Old Winamp 5.21 Released thread (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=240429)
Old Winamp 5.2 Released thread (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=238648)
__________________________________ (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/client/winamp524_full.exe)

[DrO]

Enjoy and please please please do as Egg has noted at the bottom of the post above and what the installer says since it will make things easier to deal with/reproduce/help to make the world a happier place :D

-daz

Moved into view since Egg was afk

[osmosis]

oooh, pretties. :D

even if it is placebo, 24bit sounds so good.
so far everything's working great, couple questions though, how do i make my playlist show east asian characters (i have unchecked the Use ML info option already, and naturally i have the east asian language libraries installed in windows, and all displays correctly in explorer) and what is the Dither setting under Playback?

[DJ Egg]

Make sure "use skin font" is unchecked in Prefs > Playlist
then select a relevant font from the "Use Font" drop-down menu.
It helps if you've got a font like MS Arial Unicode installed (comes with ms office), then you'll have support for just about all languages in one font... see screenshots:

www.meggamusic.co.uk/winamp/screenshots/winamp_unicode.png
www.meggamusic.co.uk/winamp/screenshots/winamp_unicode2.png
www.meggamusic.co.uk/winamp/screenshots/winamp_unicode3.png


Re: Dither
At the moment, it's only used by in_vorbis, though will probably also come to in_mp3 at a later date. Basically, dithering is a process that increases the dynamic range of audio at the expense of a small amount of cpu/inaudible noise, or something like that.

[will]

For the "playback on njb and p4s devices" item:
All players where you previously got a "This device doesn't support direct playback" error will now be able to play songs back.

There is a short delay between hitting play and the song starting to play, as it has to copy the song back to a temporary location. The delay between tracks can be reduced or even eliminated by increasing the prebuffer length (in the Directsound Output preferences).

ALSO: True synchronisation! Hit the sync button and you get a choice to either delete, leave or copy back tracks on your device which are not in your library.

Hope you enjoy the rest of the updates!

Will

[Juanus]

Could you give more information on these imporvments and what was changed?
* Fixed: [enc_lame] broken vbr presets
* Fixed: [in_cdda] cutoff of last few sectors
I wasn't aware these things were broken.

[sld]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Re: Dither
At the moment, it's only used by in_vorbis, though will probably also come to in_mp3 at a later date. Basically, dithering is a process that increases the dynamic range of audio at the expense of a small amount of noise, or something like that.

If I'm not wrong isn't the noise supposed to be inaudible? Correctly implemented, that is. So dithering provides an outright quality improvement (if you can hear it), but at the expense of CPU time.

[Edit --> DJ Egg]
Yeah, something like that. I've edited the post. Thanks.

[DJ Egg]

@Juanus
The vbr normal/high/etc presets (not the --alt-presets) were broken.
I think they were producing cbr files (according to the minimum bitrate set).
The 'cutoff of last few frames' issue seemed to be more system-specific (I could never reproduce it) but you'll see where some people were saying that played/ripped cd tracks were missing the last second or so.

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Re: Improved: [in_mp3] streaming id3v2 support

This is the best new feature for me.
The 5+ year wait was certainly well worth it in the end :-)

[GhostMouse]

delete this post sorry

[DJ Egg]

@GhostMouse* New: M3U8 (Unicode) playlist support
It's an m3u playlist which supports unicode/utf-8 characters.

d'oh!

[Juanus]

Thanks Egg. I didn't think that i was having a problem with those things before and I wanted to double check. Other that that, everything else looks to be in good shape. Great Work guys!

[amano]

Re: Improved: [in_mp3] streaming id3v2 support

This is the best new feature for me.
The 5+ year wait was certainly well worth it in the end :-)

Yeah. That will be a great moment to take that off from the "known bugs" thread.

So far I couldn't find any bugs which is fine. ;)

On the other hand it is a bit annoying again that all your de-installed ML plugins (together with out_wave) are automatically re-installed with every winamp install now. The installer should be able to handle these things.

I will give 5.25 a closer test tomorrow :)

[STanger]

how do you turn on the 24bit playback ..and yes it's about time I can really crank on my x-fi now.

[Benski]

Originally posted by STanger
how do you turn on the 24bit playback ..and yes it's about time I can really crank on my x-fi now.

Preferences->Playback

[Juanus]

* Fixed: [ml_playlists] sort by title

how does this work? I am clicking on "Playlist Title" bar in the right pane and is is not sorting. Did I misunderstand how this is supposed to work?

[BoyNG]

Hi!
Why are you using Russian language only in beta installers?
In reliz version Russian language is absence.
Has noticed some discrepancies and errors in installer forms for russian words. May be I correct this?

[jmbattle]

Hello chaps,

A new Firefox, a new WinAMP, - a great day for software updates ;)

May I ask why this is considered a beta preview, and not a full release?

Also, whilst I appreciate the USB PMP work that has been progressing recently, I'm experiencing considerable stability issues with my device, so perhaps it is not quite ready for the mainstream yet?

...have I just answered my own question regarding 'beta status'? ;)

Keep up the great work,
James
x

[SamLab]

All are same history - in Winamp Setup Programm terribly twisted russian language :(

[winamp_nation]

I don't want to be a wet blanket, but this "improved fullscreen video seek bar" is just twice as long as before. While it's an improvement, it still is quite stupid, since there is no seek bar you can actually drag to a certain time, so it's all just guessing.

Oh well, next release...then maybe i can use winamp for long movies as well.

[SamLab]

Originally posted by BoyNG
Hi!
Why are you using Russian language only in beta installers?
In reliz version Russian language is absence.
Has noticed some discrepancies and errors in installer forms for russian words. May be I correct this?

I already over and over again offered to correct the mistakes in russian language - a silence...

[coolchrisyorks]

24 bit playback dont work on Vista at the moment....unless its just my setup?
Probably not supposed to work on vista at this time, but thought I would give you a heads up.

Thanks.

[CraigF]

Maksim wrote the russian translation. He's russian. I'd assume that the translation is correct.

[BugMaster]

Originally posted by CraigF
Maksim wrote the russian translation. He's russian. I'd assume that the translation is correct.

The translation is not very good (in someplaces even bad/incomprehensible). But I am glad that you try to make Winamp more comfortable for non-English users.

[BoyNG]

completely agree with you! :)

[ujay]

Couple of issues here so far.

Second instance of Winamp Agent added to tray on reboot.

Error message in uninstaller.

AppName: winamp.exe | AppVer: 5.2.5.787 | ModName: winamp.exe |
ModVer: 5.2.5.787 | Offset: 000147da

UJ

[CraigF]

Originally posted by BugMaster
The translation is not very good (in someplaces even bad/incomprehensible). But I am glad that you try to make Winamp more comfortable for non-English users.

If possible, can you please identify where the translation is incorrect and what is correct, then we can have maksim take a look.

Thanks

[CraigF]

Originally posted by ujay
Couple of issues here so far.

Second instance of Winamp Agent added to tray on reboot.

UJ

confirmed.

[DrO]

Originally posted by Juanus
* Fixed: [ml_playlists] sort by title

how does this work? I am clicking on "Playlist Title" bar in the right pane and is is not sorting. Did I misunderstand how this is supposed to work? it's to do with the 'misc -> sort list by title' option at the bottom of the individual playlist views in the ml

-daz

[niktheguru]

ok this is more of a jtfe problem with the new build. It doesn't highlight the whole song name in the playlist anymore. It just highlights the time and the number in the queue. Is this now intended behaviour? (I can provide a screenshot if u need it Dr O)

Keep up the good work guys!!

[DrO]

that's a known issue (as was unfortunately discovered last night) due to unicows/win9x support which breaks my override of the playlist drawing so the spanned options no longer work :(

we're looking into the best way to try and work around this (was just looking at the code a few minutes ago) so will see what we can get done otherwise i'll just have to remove most of that code and have done with it.

-daz

[BugMaster]

Originally posted by CraigF
If possible, can you please identify where the translation is incorrect and what is correct, then we can have maksim take a look.

Thanks
Finally I do that. I hope you guess how to find what I change (and where are errors). Would be glad if other Russian speaking members of the forum also look on my correction and check that I don't make other errors.

May be you also look for that bug (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1995272#post1995272). I see it every time making clean install (not upgrade).

[STanger]

Also in XP X64 SP2 (yeah it's a service pack beta o_O) CTRL-P no longer opens the prefs. I can still right click and open it via right click menu

[DrO]

STanger: disable jtfe's winshade mode and see how that works (due to plugin loading order that may/may not cause some issues like that)

-daz

[STanger]

I don't have jtfe installed :( sorry:weird:

[DrO]

in this case that's a good thing :) well that's one less thing for me to be accredited with breaking, heh

-daz

[ByTor201]

One small nit I've found is there's no longer a tooltip when hovering over the tray icon. Using XP SP2.

[STanger]

ByTor is that XP SP2 X86 (32bit) or XP X64 SP2 (64Bit) ???

[ByTor201]

Oops... I forgot to mention it's 32bit.

[kazaam]

The old-style Last.fm plugin (located here (http://www.last.fm/forum/34905/_/135053)) no longer seems to be recognized when Winamp starts up. Is this intentional? Their new client has been driving me nuts -- I simply do not like unnecessary icons in my tray.

EDIT: Nevermind. It's appearing now after re-installing under the "General Version".

[SamLab]

Originally posted by BugMaster
Finally I do that. I hope you guess how to find what I change (and where are errors). Would be glad if other Russian speaking members of the forum also look on my correction and check that I don't make other errors.

May be you also look for that bug (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1995272#post1995272). I see it every time making clean install (not upgrade).

check you correct_strings.txt!!! where sec18, sec42 and more???

[roytam1]

* New: Unicode filename and title support
* New: M3U8 (Unicode) playlist support

They doesn't seem to work properly.
*SOME* of the files doesn't load properly from M3U8 playlist.

[DJ Egg]

And are the affected files all Monkeys Audio .ape files?
ie. mp3, ogg, wav, m4a, wma with unicode filenames/tags all load ok?
If so, then it's probably an issue with the 3rd-party Monkeys Audio plugin.

[roytam1]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
And are the affected files all Monkeys Audio .ape files?
ie. mp3, ogg, wav, m4a, wma with unicode filenames/tags all load ok?
If so, then it's probably an issue with the 3rd-party Monkeys Audio plugin. not only ape/apl files, but also some mp3 files.

[roytam1]

P.S.: The files will load properly when they plays.
So I think it is a bug of m3u8 playlist loader.

[bemymonkey]

Hooray, editing ID3 tags no longer crashes everything... w00t!

Seems pretty stable all in all... haven't found any bugs that haven't been mentioned already... Kudos to the devs!

[Koopa]

I have some problems with the OSD, sometimes the OSD just shows "Progress", sometimes I see the progressbar twice, one on botton and one on top.

Using latest beta with FFDShow. Video format doesn't matter, happens with MPEG, AVI etc.

The other things work fine, nice update. :)

[DJ Egg]

What font do you have selected in Prefs > Playlist, if any?
The fullscreen OSD uses whatever font is selected there.
Maybe there's a problem with whatever one you're using?

[JayBaddd]

Hi, DJ Egg and devs,

I created an M3U playlist in Winamp 5.25 Beta build 787 and then tried to transfer it to the SanDisk Sansa m230 w/firmware version 1.3.0A. I received an error during the sending of the playlist: "Could not create folder or files."

I have been able to transfer files and play them back from the m230 fine in the 5.25 Beta. Hope you can help with the Playlist problem.

Thanks in advance!


Jay Bader
Orlando, FL

[Koopa]

What font do you have selected in Prefs > Playlist, if any?
Standard. "Use Skin or language pack font", using default modern skin.

[YtseJam]

Okay, this is just too long to read, so I'll report this anyway...

1. While playing various mp3s (which used to play fine with 5.24), in the middle of the song, it'll just stop playing and I will have to move the seek bar in order to make it continue playing, pressing play will just restart it so the song isn't really paused but rather stuck.

2. While hovering the systray icon, the info. line no longer shows up.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
I have some problems with the OSD, sometimes the OSD just shows "Progress", sometimes I see the progressbar twice, one on botton and one on top.

Using latest beta with FFDShow. Video format doesn't matter, happens with MPEG, AVI etc.

The other things work fine, nice update. :)

That's been happening to me for the last few releases... Sometimes the playback controls in the OSD are scrambled or jumbled up too... or the progress bar is missing... lotsa weird stuff... Nothing too horrible, but it is a bit weird :-P

[DrO]

Originally posted by YtseJam
2. While hovering the systray icon, the info. line no longer shows up. reproduced

-daz

[Hanschke]

i cannot send u the log files. the email adresse is wrong :(

[Kanpai]

I am very excited about the addition of unicode support but i seem to have hit a stumbling block. I have some songs with japanese characters which originally show up right on modern skins. However, the second they're added to the media library, i get ???? instead of characters. I have 'use library title information for Playlist Item Formatting' off, as well as 'Use skin or language pack font.' Am i missing something, or is this a bug?

[DrO]

Kanpai: http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251985#notes

-daz

[Kanpai]

I think my original post was unclear. The characters show up right in the PLAYER originally, but once the file's added to the library, i get ???? in the PLAYER. I apologize if this is the behavior it's supposed to have and i'm just dumb.

[Hanschke]

Winamp client version: 5.25 build 787 Beta
Winamp caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005)
in module Winamp.exe at 001b:00000000.

Exception handler called in Winamp.

i wanna load a m3u and got an error every time. use vista 5472. i want to send the dump to Nullsoft Bug Reporting <bug@winamp.com> but i got the mails back :(

[Benski]

Originally posted by Hanschke
Winamp client version: 5.25 build 787 Beta
Winamp caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005)
in module Winamp.exe at 001b:00000000.

Exception handler called in Winamp.

i wanna load a m3u and got an error every time. use vista 5472. i want to send the dump to Nullsoft Bug Reporting <bug@winamp.com> but i got the mails back :(

Our e-mail server has been on the fritz for the past two weeks. If the report.zip file is under 100k, you can attach it here.

[YtseJam]

Benski, your PM mailbox is full.

As for your question, it is not easily reproduced, or so I think -- I did not pay attention as to when it happens.

I waiting for it to happen again, at which case I'll provide what you asked from me with more details.

[YtseJam]

Well as far as I can see, it happens randomly, to no specific file nor format (happened both to mp3s as well as to ogg files).

[Benski]

Originally posted by YtseJam
Well as far as I can see, it happens randomly, to no specific file nor format (happened both to mp3s as well as to ogg files).

Very strange, does switching output plugins (e.g. out_wave instead of out_ds) resolve it?

[Hanschke]

ok here is the first one :D

[Danez]

Bug (?) with 24bit playback.

If I turn on the option "Allow 24bit" in Preferences->Playback my system stopps playing on all channels. I don't know if this problem is related to winamp, windows or soundcarddriver, but i just wanted to mention it.

so i have a 5.1 sound system and with 24bit sound enabled it only playes on the 2 front channels.
Disabled everything works fine.

Soundcard: Creative SoundBlaster Audigy Platinum (with newest driver)

[amano]

That should be a driver issue. Not Winamp related.

[osmosis]

i tracked down a copy of Arial Unicode MS on my office 2k pro cd. installed it. followed egg's directions and selected it as the font for playlist but i'm still not seeing the chinese characters i should.. it IS Unicode MS v.0.84 could that be the problem? i hear they're up to 1.01 and that there were issues with the older ones.

it'll show the correct one briefly while it's still showing the filename but then it switches back to ???.

[Benski]

Originally posted by osmosis
i tracked down a copy of Arial Unicode MS on my office 2k pro cd. installed it. followed egg's directions and selected it as the font for playlist but i'm still not seeing the chinese characters i should.. it IS Unicode MS v.0.84 could that be the problem? i hear they're up to 1.01 and that there were issues with the older ones.

it'll show the correct one briefly while it's still showing the filename but then it switches back to ???.

What kind of files are these? And are they in your media library?

[osmosis]

mp3. it is in the ML but i've disabled the Local Media Option "Use Library title information.."

[Benski]

mp3. it is in the ML but i've disabled the Local Media Option "Use Library title information.."
Try removing it from the media library and then playing it.

[osmosis]

can't find it in the library because the filename's chinese.. and also it seems that it may not have been in the ML since i just moved it out of the watch folders scope and did Remove Missing Files and it didn't remove any. and also it still doesn't work. What settings should i have under Modern Skins, Font Rendering?

[STanger]

Originally posted by Danez
Bug (?) with 24bit playback.

If I turn on the option "Allow 24bit" in Preferences->Playback my system stopps playing on all channels. I don't know if this problem is related to winamp, windows or soundcarddriver, but i just wanted to mention it.

so i have a 5.1 sound system and with 24bit sound enabled it only playes on the 2 front channels.
Disabled everything works fine.

Soundcard: Creative SoundBlaster Audigy Platinum (with newest driver)

Make sure that "5.1 surround sound speakers" is chosen in "Sounds and Audio Devices" in control panel ... click open that and click the advanced button at the bottom right. I have an X-Fi Platinum and I had the same problem and that fixed it ..I'm also using the newest drivers for my X-Fi as well.

[vjacques]

seems like the CUE Player v0.5b plug-in doesn't work anymore with this version. player just skips through the .cue points (in the same manner like if a .cue file has errors/target .mp3 has a different name). .cue files support is such a long going issue and without native support things still don't look pretty. i mean for how long it's sitting on the wishlist already?

thanks for the nice update otherwise.

[BoyNG]

Errors on many computers (in older versions too):
1. Winamp minimize to tray and playng in Modern skin mode
2. Try close from right click menu on tray icon
3. but Winamp stay in running processes.

[Hanschke]

we need a cue support without a third part plugin.

[YtseJam]

I believe I read it is planned for a future version, 5.3 perhaps?

[DrO]

and we need x, y and z to be native as well :D
things will come with time if dev work can be done/it's perceived as a useful feature to implement. just look at how long it's taken for the streaming id3v2 tag support to make it into the player despite it having been on the wishlist for what 5+ years now (and that the wishlist is just that and is not something set in stone).

so really waiting a while longer for cue/flac/[insert whatever mainstream feature] isn't that hard to ask for now is it? :)

YtseJam: you might want to fix the images for you signature link

-daz

[Hanschke]

it is so difficult to add cue support? hmm i dont can believe it because player like foobar can do it. in my opinion things like ipod sync can much longer wait. i think it is much better to add the "standard" features earlier and than have more special features so winamp will come to the ultimate overkill.

[YtseJam]

Actually I think more people use the iPod or other portable music players than people who require CUE support.

It's more about priority than difficulity.

[DrO]

different people have different things that they want and the portable media player support was pushed through due to what the people in suits wanted and thought would be 'the thing' to have.

so in this case cue support is more important whereas for me i'm not bothered by it all since it's not something i'm ever likely to use or any of the online media crap which has taken a lot of development focus but that's just me.

as for how hard it is to add, i'm not entirely sure since it depends on the internal implementation of playlist entries, etc and how that would equate to cue file support which may only be a few minor changes or could require a massive change. refering to other players doesn't really fit in this instance since different products have different implementations/feature sets/useability goals so just because player x has something doesn't mean player y has to have it.

all i can say is that it has been talked about in the past and is something that is more likely to be looked at for implementation but with all of the changes, etc that have and still have to go on (unicode support to the level that it now is at has taken all of the 5.2x series and some of the 5.1x series) mean it's better to concentrate on only a few major changes at a time and not to implement it all in one go to then end up breaking other things and causing more bugs than it's worth. patience is your friend :)

-daz

[xen withanex]

I think I might have discovered a small bug regarding the new 24bit output thing: With the 24bit option turned on, if you load up a tune in the playlist then press 'enter' on the playlist the track will start again but without the 24bit thing- there is an audible difference. What's more, if you press enter again the 24bit thing kicks in again, so it alternates between being on and off.

[Benski]

Originally posted by xen withanex
I think I might have discovered a small bug regarding the new 24bit output thing: With the 24bit option turned on, if you load up a tune in the playlist then press 'enter' on the playlist the track will start again but without the 24bit thing- there is an audible difference. What's more, if you press enter again the 24bit thing kicks in again, so it alternates between being on and off.

With what file type?

[jmbattle]

With regards to previous reports of WinAMP tracks stopping at random points, I have experienced similar issues streaming BBC podcasts. Of course, this could be network related, however I notice that the track appears to stop in a similar way as described above (almost as if paused), so perhaps they are connected?

Cheers,
James
x

[xen withanex]

Originally posted by Benski
With what file type?
MP3s, it's all I now have so I haven't tried other formats.

*edit* after playing with it a bit more I've also discovered that using the 'track advance' button in the main window also causes it to alternate between 24bit mode and standard mode.

[Trent187]

Does anyone have any problems with "Always On Top" not working? Anytime I open Winamp, it no longer stays on top of other windows. The option for it is checked when I right-click, but I will have to un-check it and then re-check it to get it to stick (or use Ctrl+A).

This happened in prior versions as well. The only extra things I have installed is the DFX and Toaster plug-ins.

[sirgib]

Great work on the unicode support.

It works fine in the playlist when it is open, but when minimized (1 line height), it just shows blank space where the title should be and just the time.

Is there any way to fix this, or is this a known bug?

[soljarag]

Originally posted by Trent187
Does anyone have any problems with "Always On Top" not working? Anytime I open Winamp, it no longer stays on top of other windows. The option for it is checked when I right-click, but I will have to un-check it and then re-check it to get it to stick (or use Ctrl+A).

This happened in prior versions as well. The only extra things I have installed is the DFX and Toaster plug-ins.


Yeah, i do too.... on my 3 computers, after like 10 or so minutes, I'll notice winamp is no longer on-top

I just formatted this computer, and installed winamp with no other plugins, and its still doing it

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by soljarag
Yeah, i do too.... on my 3 computers, after like 10 or so minutes, I'll notice winamp is no longer on-top

I just formatted this computer, and installed winamp with no other plugins, and its still doing it

LOL... I had this problem too - unticking "Disable always on top while in fullscreen apps" in the general preferences section solved it for me...

[soljarag]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
LOL... I had this problem too - unticking "Disable always on top while in fullscreen apps" in the general preferences section solved it for me...

Thanks! i bet whenever I clicked on AIM it caused it to disable :)

wow, this has annoyed me for months...

[DJ Egg]

@ all

Please only post about 5.25-beta-specific issues in this thread. Thanks.

Also, please read the first post again, particularly the Notes and bold text at the bottom. Vague, non-descript posts with no proper details or method of reproduction etc are pretty useless and will probably just be ignored.

[bemymonkey]

Sorry Egg... Do you have a timeframe for the final release yet?

As for issues - I'm experiencing rather slow smart-view loading, whether it's just viewing in the media library or double-clicking on a smart view to play it...

Nothing earth-moving or horrible, but definitely noticeable - Going back to 5.24 made it faster again... bit strange.

Doesn't seem to matter what the query is, the less complex ones take just as long...

[sirgib]

Originally posted by sirgib
Great work on the unicode support.

It works fine in the playlist when it is open, but when minimized (1 line height), it just shows blank space where the title should be and just the time.

Is there any way to fix this, or is this a known bug?

Egg, any ideas on this one?

[morningmusumefa]

i think i found something... or maybe im doing something wrong...

half of my library is japanese....

for example, one of the artist names is ***12514;***12540;***12491;***12531;***12464;***23064;

but it comes in winamp like ƒ‚[ƒjƒ“ƒO–º

am i doing something wrong?

okay, just in case some of you dont have support for japanese.... its just not showing japanese symbols at all, or its just messing them up.... kinda jumbling them...

and it wont play the files at all... itll just keep skipping the files til it finds one with no japanese symbols in it...

edit for the third time... okay, i can play these files directly from explorer with winamp... or add them to the playlist from explorer... but the media library doesnt seem to...

[Bubba Smith]

morningmusumefa...

Did you bother to read the Notes (after What's New) on the very first page of this thread (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251985) before you posted just now?

I guess not...Notes

The Media Library (Local Media & Playlists) still doesn't support unicode, so either don't add files with non-latin characters to the ml, or uncheck "use library title info for playlist item formatting" in Prefs > Media Library > Local Media.
Unicode support for the ML is planned for the next major release.

[morningmusumefa]

i did read all the pages... guess i missed something... anyways.. thank you! :D ill be looking forward for the next major release ^_^

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by sirgib
Egg, any ideas on this one? Umm, which skin are you using? Winamp Classic or Winamp Modern?
Clean install of 5.25 beta, with no 3rd-party plugins?
Windows OS?
What language are the filenames/tags in question?
Got a zipped link to a sample file?

Unicode characters in pledit winshade works fine for me (see attached screenshot).

Other than the ML, the only thing that doesn't display them correctly for me is the text in the taskbar icon (not sure if that's an OS thing though, 'cos I don't have support for those languages installed).

[sirgib]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
[B]Umm, which skin are you using? Winamp Classic or Winamp Modern?
Clean install of 5.25 beta, with no 3rd-party plugins?
Windows OS?
What language are the filenames/tags in question?
Got a zipped link to a sample file?


Hi,

Winamp Modern skin,
Clean install, no 3rd party plugins,
Windows XP Pro,
Japanese,
Sure, link is: http://www.paulsynnott.com/test.zip
It happens on ALL Japanese files though, screenshot:
http://www.paulsynnott.com/test.png

ETA: It works in the classic skin, but not modern.

[GhostMouse]

I don't found bugs :|
its say final version soon? :)

[sirgib]

Originally posted by sirgib
Hi,

Winamp Modern skin,
Clean install, no 3rd party plugins,
Windows XP Pro,
Japanese,
Sure, link is: http://www.paulsynnott.com/test.zip
It happens on ALL Japanese files though, screenshot:
http://www.paulsynnott.com/test.png

ETA: It works in the classic skin, but not modern.

I just wanted to add that I have full Japanese language support installed in WinXP, so that isn't the problem.

[menno]

Hmm, maybe I should have posted here directly, but anyway:

Problem with HE AAC MP4 encoder (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=46898&view=findpost&p=417329)

[samueltai]

The encoding for 5.25 beta is not working properly. In the Scrolling Title part, where it appeared as weird characters before, now just simply became blank.

:) Hope it can be fixed.

Thanks for the decision to include unicode support though.

[osmosis]

doh, i just realized my chinese mp3 file might not display correctly because the chinese characters might not be written in unicode.. this possible?

[Nimbulan]

You guys need to make sure the skin font is mapped to a good unicode font so the text will display properly. The best one I know of is Arial Unicode MS and comes with Microsoft Office. You can also use Bitstream Cyberbit or Code2000. These should be able to display just about any song title you can find.

[amano]

Originally posted by menno
Hmm, maybe I should have posted here directly, but anyway:

Problem with HE AAC MP4 encoder (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=46898&view=findpost&p=417329)

Yeah menno, there is a point. Winamp should be set up by default to produce MP4 files which are backwards compatible.

Compatibility should be the first goal for winamp (as for most programs).

An toggling a default shouldn't be that hard. ;)

[A Crazy German]

My gobal hotkey I set to quit winamp causes it to crash.

Winamp Modern skin
Clean install of 5.25 beta with resumer plug-in and last.fm plug-in
Windows XP

[wayne072665]

I appreciate the 5.25 beta link. My bookmarks were freezing up constantly and it was VERY frustrating. I downloaded the 5.25 beta link and it fixed the freezing problem. OMG...it is sooooooooooo nice not to have that problem any more...TY :) Now I can enjoy my Winamp radio again.

[DJ Egg]

cool :cool:

[bemymonkey]

Holy crap... I'm getting a massive problem here.

My Winamp was just running normally (been on for about 5 hours now, running non-stop), and the playback just became VERY weird. There's a strange buzzing in the sound, it's very distorted, and it's playing the songs back at roughly 2x normal speed!

Switching the output to my other sound card in the Directsound options didn't work either, sounds the same... what's going on?

I'm running 5.25 beta with only a few vis plugins installed and gUSB - it was running fine until a few minutes ago, and I didn't touch it, wasn't even using the PC at the time... All other sounds play fine, including the very same MP3 files using Windows Media Player.

What's going on? :(

-edit-
It seems only some MP3 files do this, guess they're just encoded weirdly... Wonder why they play normally on WMP then though...

-edit2-
Here's a link to one of the files...
http://simonbroenner.dyndns.org/files/pov.mp3

I'm trying to record what it sounds like over here...

-edit3-
Here's that recording...
http://simonbroenner.dyndns.org/files/sample.mp3

-edit4-
It seems that most songs from one album are affected... but since they're my roomy's mp3's I have no idea how they were encoded - looks like 128kbit cbr crap...

[DJ Egg]

@bemymonkey
That file is actually an .mp2 not .mp3
However, it plays fine here, heh.

[bemymonkey]

It does? That's weird. I'm gonna do another clean install and see if that clinches it...

How can you tell it's MP2?

-edit-

That MP2 thing was a stupid question. Did the clean install and it's still weird... I just hope those're the only MP3s in my library that're going funky - because I'm pretty sure they used to play fine...

-edit-

just reinstalled 5.24 and now the files play fine. It's DEFINITELY a 5.25 issue, reinstalling 5.25 brings it back...

Are you sure you tested with 5.25 Build 787, Egg? (Dumb question, probably... lol.)

Strangely enough - smart playlist loading times are now off the charts in 5.25 all of a sudden - double-clicking on a smart view (that's already active, loaded in the media library) to play it is taking up to 30 seconds - compared to roughly 0.5 seconds in 5.24...

I just switched back and forth between 5.24 and 5.25 a few times, and the difference is like night and day - everything concerning the media library is faster in 5.24... VERY noticably...

[DJ Egg]

You'll have to do better than that, because we can't reproduce the problem.
I've just let it play 3 times in a row, with no problems whatsoever.

Re: MP2
It says "MPEG-1 Layer 2" in File Info
(which I gather you've already worked out).
And yes, EncSpot says Gogo Encoder, 128 cbr.

Have you tried renaming to .mp2 ?
Is 'allow 24bit' checked in Prefs > Playback?
Any difference with it checked/unchecked?
Are 'fast layer eq 1/2' & 'fl eq 3' enabled in in_mp3 config?
Any difference with them checked/unchecked?
Using WaveOut or DirectSound Output?

And no, I'm not using b787, I'm using a newer build,
so if it is a 787-specific issue, it could already be fixed
(as is the case with your smart view loading issue).

That all said and done... it always helps to read the Notes in the 1st post first ;)

[bemymonkey]

I've tried renaming to MP2, checking/unchecking ALL of the options in the playback preferences (24bit, dither etc.), switching to waveout (using dsout at the moment...).

I'll check the in_mp3 stuff right now.... gimme a sec, gotta reinstall 5.25...

-edit- As for the smart list issue - awesome, you guys rock :-D

The in_mp3.dll settings are on: logarithmic EQ, fast layer 3 eq and fast layer 1/2 eq unchecked. Checking them, as well as switching to linear EQ, doesn't change a thing...

[DJ Egg]

Notes > Known Issues (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251985#known)Note: All of these are already fixed for 5.25 Final

3. MP1 & MP2 file playback is distorted

5. Loading of Local Media Views is slow

[bemymonkey]

Uuuuuh?... crap, where was that?

Sorry I missed that, lol...

-edit-

Oh noes... just saw it in the first post... how... embarrassing. *bangs head on desk*...

[soljarag]

Windows XP SP2
AMD 3200+
512 Ram


Ok... I have a huge library and whenever i double click a song in the media library it takes forever to play..and for like 15 seconds winamp becomes unresponsive .. I remember this was a bug in some previous winamp version, then you guys fixed it... well, ITS BAACCKK :)


I just installed 5.24 back, and its working fine

[DJ Egg]

Notes > Known Issues (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251985#known)Note: All of these are already fixed for 5.25 Final

5. Loading of Local Media Views is slow

[BugMaster]

Incorrect working of option "When loading multiple files, sort by filename". For example such dir (ascending order):
#DUMMY.MP3
01 - Set 1.mp3
02 - Set 2.mp3

After checking this option became:
01 - Set 1.mp3
02 - Set 2.mp3
#DUMMY.MP3

P.S. Winamp 5.24 also has this bug.

[Serpher]

Hi guys
I have few bugs:

- Winamp doesn't answer when i'm editing preferences and when i'm closing preferences (sometimes is crash)
- Enqueue in Winamp - not working
- Spectrum analizer is slowing down when i play some mp3s (it's perhaps have a connection with scroll title in main window)
- Winamp is slowing down my system sometimes (especialy Opera an FF)
- strange Hi-light of broken files :/ it's hi-lighting only a length of file

and that's all :)

[DrO]

Notes > Known Issues (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251985#known)Note: All of these are already fixed for 5.25 Final

6. Hi-lighting of playlist entry currently broken for queued files (jtfe related).this also covers the missing files hilighting since the beta build here breaks how the jtfe plugin worked. the newly released 0.97.7 build of the plugin fixes this issue as long as the required winamp.exe is available (as the internal/final build provides).

-daz

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by DrO
Notes > Known Issues (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251985#known)this also covers the missing files hilighting since the beta build here breaks how the jtfe plugin worked. the newly released 0.97.7 build of the plugin fixes this issue as long as the required winamp.exe is available (as the internal/final build provides).

-daz

That's "broken"? I actually thought it looked better with only the right side highlighted instead of the whole line... but I guess that's just me ;-)...

[DrO]

that's why it can be configured to revert back to the older 0.96ff method (preferences -> jump to file -> display -> options button)

-daz

[bemymonkey]

Cool, thanks for the tip DrO! :)

[Benski]

Originally posted by BugMaster
Incorrect working of option "When loading multiple files, sort by filename". For example such dir (ascending order):
#DUMMY.MP3
01 - Set 1.mp3
02 - Set 2.mp3

After checking this option became:
01 - Set 1.mp3
02 - Set 2.mp3
#DUMMY.MP3

P.S. Winamp 5.24 also has this bug.

This is because the sorting algorithm changed (a few versions back) to allow for correct sorting of filenames without leading zeroes. e.g. 1 2 3 ... 10 11, instead of 1 10 11 2 ...

Unfortunately, as a side effect, all the numbers are put first when sorting.

[Serpher]

that's why it can be configured to revert back to the older 0.96ff method (preferences -> jump to file -> display -> options button)

it's not working :(
this highlighting in this vesion is purpose?
in 5.24 it was been different
highlighting of the whole line was a better than only right side of line
it's better because you can easyer find broken files in playlist
it's my theory

[DJ Egg]

That's because it's broken in build 787, as already explained, heh.

[Serpher]

ok, ok ;)

[niktheguru]

dunno if anyone can reproduce this. but with this beta of winamp i find that if i choose a song to play and click play i hear it. Then if if click play again, it starts again but doesn't sound as rich. If i again press play, it goes back to the original sound quality. There seems to be 2 different types of sound quality for every song.

I hope this makes sense. can anyone tell me why this happens, its never happened before.

[STanger]

are we allowed to post about other 5.25 beta builds in this thread or just b787?

[DrO]

just b787 since that's what's publically available and is the discussion purpose of this thread :)

-daz

[STanger]

crap ok

[Benski]

Originally posted by niktheguru
dunno if anyone can reproduce this. but with this beta of winamp i find that if i choose a song to play and click play i hear it. Then if if click play again, it starts again but doesn't sound as rich. If i again press play, it goes back to the original sound quality. There seems to be 2 different types of sound quality for every song.

I hope this makes sense. can anyone tell me why this happens, its never happened before.

can you provide a file that this happens with?

[Hanschke]

will there be a new beta build soon?

[xen withanex]

Originally posted by niktheguru
dunno if anyone can reproduce this. but with this beta of winamp i find that if i choose a song to play and click play i hear it. Then if if click play again, it starts again but doesn't sound as rich. If i again press play, it goes back to the original sound quality. There seems to be 2 different types of sound quality for every song.

I hope this makes sense. can anyone tell me why this happens, its never happened before.
This is exactly what I was talking about! It happens with the 28bit option enabled, and will alternate between 28bit output and normal output.

Also alternates when moving the progress bar, pressing the skip track buttons and manual playlist advance.

It happens with every MP3 in my archive. I have a soudblaster audigy 2 zs, if this helps in any way.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by xen withanex
This is exactly what I was talking about! It happens with the 128kb option enabled, and will alternate between 128kb output and normal output.

Also alternates when moving the progress bar, pressing the skip track buttons and manual playlist advance.

It happens with every MP3 in my archive. I have a soudblaster audigy 2 zs, if this helps in any way.

I had that for a little while too, but it went away - I attributed it to faulty wiring in my surround system...

[niktheguru]

i've cracked it. Similar to xen withanex i also have an audigy 2 ZS platinum pro.

This happens to ALL songs. BUT this will only occur when the "24bit playback" is enabled in the playback settings in winamp preferences. If you disable this then the fault no longer occurs.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by niktheguru
i've cracked it. Similar to xen withanex i also have an audigy 2 ZS platinum pro.

This happens to ALL songs. BUT this will only occur when the "24bit playback" is enabled in the playback settings in winamp preferences. If you disable this then the fault no longer occurs.

That would explain why mine went away, too... I also have an Audigy 2 ZS...

[xen withanex]

unfortunately by turning off that option you don't get the better sounding 28bit output. Mines a Platinum Pro too, I didn't think that would matter as I thought it only refered to the external audigy box.

[Benski]

Originally posted by niktheguru
i've cracked it. Similar to xen withanex i also have an audigy 2 ZS platinum pro.

This happens to ALL songs. BUT this will only occur when the "24bit playback" is enabled in the playback settings in winamp preferences. If you disable this then the fault no longer occurs.

What song types does it happen to? MP3? AAC? MP4? Does it happen on all files or only certain ones?

[bemymonkey]

Definitely MP3s, since I don't use much else - I'm not sure if it happened on all the files, but I'm sure Xen or Nik can answer that...

[Benski]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
Definitely MP3s, since I don't use much else - I'm not sure if it happened on all the files, but I'm sure Xen or Nik can answer that...

A few more questions:

1) Do you have EAX or any other kind of onboard effects activated on your soundcard?
2) Are you using a DSP plugin?
3) What about EQ?
4) Does it change if you switch to out_wave instead of out_ds?

[bemymonkey]

1) Do you have EAX or any other kind of onboard effects activated on your soundcard?

Yeap... upmixing stereo to 5.1 (stereo surround mode)

2) Are you using a DSP plugin?

Nope...

3) What about EQ?

EQ is on

4) Does it change if you switch to out_wave instead of out_ds?

Can't test right now, if Nik or Xen haven't provided an answer in a few hours I'll reinstall 5.25 and put it through its paces.

[DJ Egg]

Yeah, I can repro something weird going on here with the 24-bit stuff and the eax > cmss/stereo surround option. After a seek or replay, nothing happens when checkmarking any of the 3 options, until after another seek/replay.

Anyway... bring on b801

/me updates the changelog below

[Benski]

Build 801 posted.

Changelog
- New: [ml_playlists] m3u8 playlist exporting
- New: [in_dshow] AVI metadata reading
- New: [ml_pmp] video sync support for portables
- New: [ml_pmp] devices can now be renamed
- New: [ml_pmp] added progress to portables tree item (no more switching views)
- New: [pmp_ipod] support for iTunesLock
- New: [pmp_p4s] video support
- New: [enc_lame] 24bit input support
- New: added ml views & playlists to Play-> submenu of right click popup menu
- Improved: preference cleanups
- Improved: [in_dshow] better WAV support
- Improved: [ml_local] better non-english query support
- Improved: [ml_pmp] metadata guessing based on filename
- Improved: [ml_pmp] improved GUI performance
- Improved: [ml_pmp] faster direct playback
- Improved: [in_wave] better bit-per-sample choosing
- Improved: [gen_ff] better sample rate display
- Improved: faster .pls writing
- Fixed: bad Layer 1 & Layer 2 playback (double speed + distorted)
- Fixed: slow enqueue/play from media library views
- Fixed: open playlist from media library broken (in playlist editor)
- Fixed: saving playlists to PLS format
- Fixed: crash when directdraw fails to create primary surface
- Fixed: [gen_jumpex] hi-liting of playlist entries for jump-to-file
- Fixed: [in_dshow] crash when using DSP/EQ on anything bigger than 16bit stereo
- Fixed: [ml_pmp] copy playlist to local media now works
- Fixed: [ml_online] Online Media bugfix (don't try to play NULL streams)
- Fixed: [ml_disc] CD Ripping view showing up when clicking on other ml views
- Fixed: [ml_disc] Showing ???? in taskbar and freeze on exit under Win9x
- Updated: [gen_jumpex] Jump-to-File 0.97.7
- Updated: libsndfile 1.0.16


No fix for the EAX playback bug, yet, sorry (EAX effects alternating on & off in 24bit mode)

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by Benski
Build 801 posted.

Fixes the following 5.25 specific bugs:
- bad Layer 1 & Layer 2 playback (double speed + distorted)
- slow enqueue/play from media library views
- hiliting of playlist entries for jump-to-file broken
- open playlist from media library broken (in playlist editor)
- saving playlists to PLS format


No fix for the EAX playback bug, yet, sorry (EAX effects alternating on & off in 24bit mode)

Right on, installing now...

Quick question though - What exactly does the "use dither" option do in the playback settings?



-edit-

Are you completly sure the media library enqueue/play speed thing is fixed? Still seems a bit slow compared to 5.24 - so does the view loading in the ML itself...

[Benski]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
Are you completly sure the media library enqueue/play speed thing is fixed? Still seems a bit slow compared to 5.24 - so does the view loading in the ML itself...

It's a tad slower than 5.24, because there is an ANSI-to-Unicode conversion on all of the filenames. However, view loading in build 801 is much faster than build 787.

[bemymonkey]

Ah, that would explain it... Any chance of a toggle function for that?

[Benski]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
Quick question though - What exactly does the "use dither" option do in the playback settings?


Right now, it's only used by in_vorbis, but will be used by in_mp3 and in_mp4 in the future. When decoding, calculations are done at a higher precision than playback. Dithering is a method to improve sound quality when truncating the number of bits, e.g. from 64bit internal precision to 24bit output precision.

[STanger]

man this is shaping up to be real nice! still haven't run across anything real nasty yet.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by Benski
Right now, it's only used by in_vorbis, but will be used by in_mp3 and in_mp4 in the future. When decoding, calculations are done at a higher precision than playback. Dithering is a method to improve sound quality when truncating the number of bits, e.g. from 64bit internal precision to 24bit output precision.

Sounds good...

[DJ Egg]

Full b801 changelog now edited/posted above :-)

[xen withanex]

I noticed has been updated in the new build bugs, but thought I'd fill this out anyway, in case it helps.

1) Do you have EAX or any other kind of onboard effects activated on your soundcard?
Yeah, upmix to 7.1, Creatives EAX Advanced EQ and CMSS2.

2) Are you using a DSP plugin?
Nope.

3) What about EQ?
I have it turned off, as the creative one does the job nice enough.

4) Does it change if you switch to out_wave instead of out_ds?
Yes! Actually does. Works fine like this! Bit fuzzy round the audio edges, and trading the crossfader though...

[Benski]

Originally posted by xen withanex
4) Does it change if you switch to out_wave instead of out_ds?
Yes! Actually does. Works fine like this! Bit fuzzy round the audio edges, and trading the crossfader though...

I think it might be a soundcard driver bug. I can't reproduce on my Audigy 2 NX (which is quite a bit different than the ZS), but DJ Egg can reproduce on his 2 ZS. I've got a contact on the Creative Labs device driver team that I'm working on getting more details from.

[DJ Egg]

It's a hardware limitation of the Audigy 2 ZS. Basically, it only supports a single 24bit audio path. Time to upgrade, heh. You can get rid of the problem by disabling hardware acceleration in 'sound control panel > audio > advanced > performance',
but hey, who wants to do that?

[edit]

a better solution is to disable 'fade on seek' in out_ds config > fading :-)

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
It's a hardware limitation of the Audigy 2 ZS. Basically, it only supports a single 24bit audio path. Time to upgrade, heh.

Meh... I should've guessed, Audigy 2 ZS has always had pretty shoddy 24-Bit support...

Is there any way to get the media library loading speed back up to 5.24 levels for people who don't really need Unicode stuff? The difference is really quite noticable (even in the latest build...).

-edit- I should probably add that most of my smart views are filled with 20k+ files, which probably makes the difference between 5.24 and 5.25 loading times far more pronounced than with smaller smart view queries...

[niktheguru]

lol, suppose you guys have cracked the issue without my extra input!! But yeah i'm experiencing the same symptoms. (Damn creative....first they don't create decent vista drivers....now THIS!! :-) )

[darkdragon3]

I recieved a crash while watching an AVI. But the send report feature wasnt able to send the attachment to winamp support so im posting it here. I have ffdshow installed late4st version.

[niktheguru]

oh and is it just me or have we lost the emusic icons thing for good!!

[djsolidsnake86]

i have an x-fi xtreme music, if i enable the 24bit support in winamp, there are better performance with mp3 etc ?
if yes how i can enable it?

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by djsolidsnake86
i have an x-fi xtreme music, if i enable the 24bit support in winamp, there are better performance with mp3 etc ?
if yes how i can enable it?

Preferences>Playback

[lord_ah]

hey

my collection of snes 'rsn' files doesnt play with these beta's. will this be fixed?

*for those that dont know, rsn is just a renamed rar archive with lots of .spc sound files which are ripped using zsnes etc.

kind regards

[djsolidsnake86]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
Preferences>Playback
but in this way there are better performance in what?
thank you 1000 :)

[bemymonkey]

I don't think the performance will change much... but you MIGHT hear a difference in sound quality... supposedly better.

[Juanus]

*Fixed: [ml_pmp] copy playlist to local media now works*

What a cool feature! This is one that I did not expect. But I have a question. Was there reasoning to put the playlist in the Program Files\Winamp\Plugins\ml folder? I would think that it would be more universal to put the playlist in the folder where the music is copied to. (Much like in the rip settings)

Thats the way that I would like it anyway.

[DJ.Maca]

I think that shouldn't be separate version playlist with unicode supporting (m3u8). Why don't you create auto detect method for detection unicode chars in m3u playlist? Two format for same thing?

m3u - ansi chars
m3u8 - unicode chars

Can you be only one format?

[will]

Juanus: It creates the playlist the same as the rest of the playlists in the media library "Playlists" section.

[Juanus]

Will, I am sorry, I didn't even notice that!! Thank You! Is it possible to also create a playlist in the actual folder?

*caugh* sync all button *cough*

[DJ Egg]

@DJ.Maca
winamp.m3u still needs to be there for backwards compatibilty (mainly because many 3rd-party plugins use it). We were actually going to do away with winamp.m3u at one point, and just use winamp.m3u8, heh.

@niktheguru
there's no emusic/bundle stuff in the betas, it's for the commercial/main releases.

@lord_ah
Sorry, but 3rd-party plugins aren't supported here.

@darkdragon3
The crash log says you're still using build 787, not 801, and that you're also using 3rd-party plugins (evil lyrics, etc). I can't personally reproduce any crash with avi playback (mainly with xvid/divx & mp3 content) & latest ffdshow...

As the all-important Notes say in the 1st post in the thread, reports are only vaild for clean installs with no 3rd-party plugins.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
@darkdragon3
The crash log says you're still using build 787, not 801, and that you're also using 3rd-party plugins (evil lyrics, etc). I can't personally reproduce any crash with avi playback (mainly with xvid/divx & mp3 content) & latest ffdshow...

I've been watching videos for the past two hours as well - works fine over here... all divx with ac3 or mp3...

[F_L_C]

System:

Board: Abit AN7
Audio: Nvidia SoundStorm (driver v4.62 / mixer v4.51)
Speakers: Logitech Z-5500
Audio connection: Optical
Winamp output: DirectSound

I'm trying out this Beta specifically for 24bit output support and noticed that when enabled, the DS "Status" tab shows software mixing. Switching back to 16bit goes back to hardware mixing. "Allow hardware acceleration" is enabled at all times in DS settings.

I'm pretty sure SoundStorm is a 24bit-capable onboard audio card. Is this a bug or is the DS plugin telling me my card is not 24bit-capable?

[A Crazy German]

I found alittle thing thats been bugging me sense I got the Beta when ever I hit play when I have things loading and it goes slow the song breaks and scrabbles when before it would just stop and not play untill it had enough free memory.

[DJ.Maca]

@DJ Egg
I see. I have a lot m3u playlist in unicode coding, my tagger know this. I think should have Winamp at least ability read unicode char in m3u playlist. Not write. Very thanks for this feature

[SamLab]

But russian language of the installation all as before same terrible...

[STanger]

Originally posted by F_L_C
System:

Board: Abit AN7
Audio: Nvidia SoundStorm (driver v4.62 / mixer v4.51)
Speakers: Logitech Z-5500
Audio connection: Optical
Winamp output: DirectSound

I'm trying out this Beta specifically for 24bit output support and noticed that when enabled, the DS "Status" tab shows software mixing. Switching back to 16bit goes back to hardware mixing. "Allow hardware acceleration" is enabled at all times in DS settings.

I'm pretty sure SoundStorm is a 24bit-capable onboard audio card. Is this a bug or is the DS plugin telling me my card is not 24bit-capable?

Have you tried upgrading your audio drivers? I'd like to hear what happens after you do that, but you're already using the latest drivers then the only thing else I can think of is to switch to analog out if you can then that might allow you to enable 24bit hardware acceleration......maybe

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by A Crazy German
I found alittle thing thats been bugging me sense I got the Beta when ever I hit play when I have things loading and it goes slow the song breaks and scrabbles when before it would just stop and not play untill it had enough free memory.

Yeah, 5.25 seems a lot more sensitive to the amount of CPU time available - Encoding DivX video at while listening to music, for instance, makes the GUI sluggish, and the media library views take ages to load... This was far less of a problem in previous versions...

[F_L_C]

Originally posted by STanger
but you're already using the latest drivers

Yeah, v4.62 is the latest official driver...at least for NF2 boards. There is a v4.64 available at MSFT Update but that version lowers the number of available sound buffers by default and is also meant more for Vista compatibility. So, I'm staying away from that.

switch to analog out if you can

I really don't see how that would make a difference. Besides, I got the analog cables for the Z-5500 packed away in the attic.

What did make a difference was installing the ATsurround plugin and enabling 32bit output in its settings. This somehow reenabled hardware acceleration in the DS status tab. If I switch to 24bit, then back to software. So, I have to conclude that the problem is either the in_mp3.dll or out_ds.dll plugins.

[kr4zy]

I just noticed a bug or whatever in 801 build..

Playcount resets :(

Just try to play any song that has 1+ playcount and play it again you'll see it resets to 0 again. Pretty easy for me to notice cus I have a custom script for displaying playcount/rating in playlist :)

[edit]

I just noticed rating resets also, damn, think I'll have to go back to 787, 'cus I have like 3000+ songs customized by rating/playcount, don't want to lose everything :eek:

[YtseJam]

Something that has always bugged me with Winamp's installer, is that there is no way to not-run Winamp after install...

Please add that option to the installer...

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by kr4zy
I just noticed a bug or whatever in 801 build..

Playcount resets :(

Just try to play any song that has 1+ playcount and play it again you'll see it resets to 0 again. Pretty easy for me to notice cus I have a custom script for displaying playcount/rating in playlist :)

[edit]

I just noticed rating resets also, damn, think I'll have to go back to 787, 'cus I have like 3000+ songs customized by rating/playcount, don't want to lose everything :eek:

Oh craps, thanks for the warning!...

-edit-...

I just tested this, and the ratings do not reset over here... As for playcounts, I can't check because I'm using the alternate playcount plugin...

[siebe83]

Originally posted by kr4zy
I just noticed rating resets also, damn, think I'll have to go back to 787, 'cus I have like 3000+ songs customized by rating/playcount, don't want to lose everything :eek: Make a backup of your ml folder, just in case...

That folder resides in C:\Program Files\Winamp\Plugins, or if you're using multi-user support, here:
C:\Documents and Settings\<yourusername>\Application Data\Winamp\Plugins


I can't reproduce the issue though... Using 3rd-party plugins?

What kind of script are we talking about? ActiveWinamp?

[kr4zy]

Nah, just advanced title formatting in Winamp Preferences...

Not using any 3rd party plugins..

I noticed it only happens sometimes, and on songs that have been in the media library for a long time, not new ones :s

[amano]

This is was Menno Bakker postet over at hydrogenaudio.com: Previous beta crashes when calling

c:\blah\winamp.exe /UNREG

Which is done in the uninstaller

And in the new Beta that "accurate information" is still default for the MP4 HE AAC encoder.

[kr4zy]

I also noticed winamp just freezes when playing a stream like
mms://32.stream.interia.pl/rmffm32 .. Plays for like 20-30 seconds than winamp freezes and you have to kill winamp.exe process :s

[djtaylor]

1. Surround sound no longer works (build 801, I didn't try build 787), even with 'Allow surround sound' selected in General Prefs -> Playback. Sound comes from the front 2 speakers only. (I've restarted playback and even Winamp itself, before anyone suggests that). Reverted to 5.24 and it's working again.

2. Whenever I close Winamp Prefs, it creates registry keys (in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT) for ALL the file types that it (and its installed input plugins) supports, but only sets the default values for the ones I want associated. For example, I want MP3, AAC, OGG and M3U files associated with Winamp, but I do not want any other file types associated with Winamp and so have deselected these (in prefs -> file types), but Winamp STILL creates keys for them (but does not set the default value)! This means that these files' extensions do not show in Explorer (and no, I don't want to turn 'show all extensions' on, before anyone suggests that!). Please can you prevent Winamp from doing this and only have it create keys for file types that are actually selected. The deselected file types should be left alone.

3. When you install Winamp, the installer changes the cwd value in the [Winamp] section of winamp.ini (i.e. the last directory used for open/add) back to the installation directory. This means I have to browse to my MP3 directory every time I update Winamp! Please can you change the installer to leave this alone.

4. Please can you change the installer to close Winamp and Winamp Agent when installation is actually started (i.e. when you click on 'Install' in the last step of the installer), rather than as soon as you run the installer? If you run it by mistake and so cancel, you're left without the agent.

[ujay]

@ amano - See earlier post (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1995687#post1995687) re installer/uninstaller bug.

@ kr4zy - Confirmed. The stream itself is broken, but Winamp should not freeze up.

@ djtaylor - (4) agreed, this has always bugged me too :)

UJ

[Moitah]

Build 801, seeing some strange behavior with the indicator for items on the playlist where the file no longer exists (the blue background color). The blue highlight always stays in the same place even if the file is removed from the playlist or moved around on the playlist.

[Benski]

Originally posted by djtaylor
1. Surround sound no longer works (build 801, I didn't try build 787), even with 'Allow surround sound' selected in General Prefs -> Playback. Sound comes from the front 2 speakers only. (I've restarted playback and even Winamp itself, before anyone suggests that). Reverted to 5.24 and it's working again.

What file type?

[Serpher]

Little buggy

- Winamp crashed when i was edited File Info

PS. When "Use dither" will be working with mp3? On the next build?

PS2. "No fix for the EAX playback bug, yet, sorry (EAX effects alternating on & off in 24bit mode)"
Thats mean the EAX doesn't support 24bit mode or what?
(i'm useing Audigy SE with EAX on and i don't see any problem with playing mp3 files in winamp when "Allow 24bit" is on)

[djtaylor]

Originally posted by Benski
What file type?

Sorry, MP3 (2 channel).

[Kado]

I have noticed that the Cue Player plugin v0.5b does not work properlly with the latest betas of Winamp v5.25. It builds the playlist but just skips the tracks without playback. The plugin works properlly with Winamp v5.24.

[DrO]

due to the unicode implementation (which relies on unicows) it's very likely that a number of plugins which uses some of the weird and wonderful ways to do their things will be broken (even gen_jumpex was broken by the changes just before the first public beta was released). alas it's down to the plugin author to find another work around or wait for whenever the devs implement cue support (it's been talked about but not thoroughly i believe). also as a little note, cue player from my own experience when testing with it is pretty imbalanced and would consistantly crash out on a number of test installs i did a few months back so i'm not too surprised at the issues 5.25 will cause it.

-daz

[DrO]

Originally posted by Moitah
Build 801, seeing some strange behavior with the indicator for items on the playlist where the file no longer exists (the blue background color). The blue highlight always stays in the same place even if the file is removed from the playlist or moved around on the playlist. it's sort of what is expected with the feature (confusing i will admit) but unless the updater is enabled (prefs > jump to file > missing files > updater) then it won't correctly track things. i'll have a look as time allows to make it update the missing file status when the order of playlist entries is altered around (not sure if it'll make it into the final 5.25 build since i've other commitments over the 5.25 release cycle at the moment).

-daz

[kearnemj]

Originally posted by F_L_C
System:

Board: Abit AN7
Audio: Nvidia SoundStorm (driver v4.62 / mixer v4.51)
Speakers: Logitech Z-5500
Audio connection: Optical
Winamp output: DirectSound

I'm trying out this Beta specifically for 24bit output support and noticed that when enabled, the DS "Status" tab shows software mixing. Switching back to 16bit goes back to hardware mixing. "Allow hardware acceleration" is enabled at all times in DS settings.

I'm pretty sure SoundStorm is a 24bit-capable onboard audio card. Is this a bug or is the DS plugin telling me my card is not 24bit-capable?

Then would mean you are using the z5500's with only 2 speakers enabled? Whenever 5.1 speakers are hookied up via digital output (i.e. optical or digital coax)only 2 speakers function. To get all 5 to work you need a digital passthrough such as the creative dts-610, unless you are using a different external decoder. Read here (http://dmzweb4.europe.creative.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?St=870,E=0000000000145298283,K=9740,Sxi=7,Case=obj(3062),Kb=ww_english_add,VARSET=ws:http://us.creative.com/) and here (http://dmzweb4.europe.creative.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?St=843,E=0000000000145298084,K=9740,Sxi=7,Case=obj(5764),Kb=ww_english_add,VARSET=ws:http://us.creative.com/)
This might explain some of the problem hopefully, if not sorry.

ok i just realized you are using onboard audio so disregard the creative links (i thought you had an soundblaster). however if you can't do it with a dedicated soundcard i'd be pretty sure onboard audio can't do it either. sounds like a hardware limitation

[losta]

What about 64-bit version of Winamp 5.25? Did authors ever consider that some users want to use 64-bit version for Win XP 64-bit?

And, second question is: when you will update CT AAC+ codec with newest version?

[Zulithe]

I'm having problems getting winamp agent to stay disabled... I uncheck "enable winamp agent", but every so often it returns on its own... this happened in the previous beta as well.

It may take a reboot or several starts of winamp to make it recheck... I haven't done thurough enough testing to find out exactly WHEN it comes back, but it does.

[DrO]

losta: the only real issue with winamp under XP64 is related to the sonic burning engine and certain OS patches recently i believe. a native 64-bit version won't help out a media player on any real level (if i could be bothered i'd find some of the posts made on the foobar forum which explain why doing it is pretty much pointless and can be applied to winamp as well).

as for the CT AAC+ encoder, i thought it already had the latest version (or near enough) in it already. from my understanding the version bundled in winamp is updated when a new version is made available to the team (or so is how i believe it has been) but really that's something only the devs could comment on (assuming legal allowed it, heh)

-daz

[losta]

Thank you, but I still want to use native 64-bit Winamp with all libraries, and 64-bit encoders.

Does CT AAC+ have 64-bit encoder or not?

[F_L_C]

Originally posted by kearnemj
however if you can't do it with a dedicated soundcard i'd be pretty sure onboard audio can't do it either. sounds like a hardware limitation

Nvidia SoundStorm is not your average onboard audio :)

Anyways, if it can do hardware 32bit output (via ATSurround -> out_ds.dll), then why not 24bit? Doesn't make sense to me. It's gotta be some type of software bug (either the Soundstorm driver or the Winamp MPEG/DS plugins).

[amano]

Better ask them at their forum. Or write them a mail. That is one of the things that probably even the winamp devs do not know.

If there is nothing on the CT site to read about it, then probably not.

[kearnemj]

Originally posted by F_L_C
Nvidia SoundStorm is not your average onboard audio :)

Anyways, if it can do hardware 32bit output (via ATSurround -> out_ds.dll), then why not 24bit? Doesn't make sense to me. It's gotta be some type of software bug (either the Soundstorm driver or the Winamp MPEG/DS plugins).

i think that might be because the 32bit is floating point logic, not as in the sense of true 24bit

[F_L_C]

Originally posted by djtaylor
Sorry, MP3 (2 channel).

Regular MP3s are stereo sources. How were you getting surround with stereo sources on WA v5.24 (w/out a surround plugin)?

[Rocker]

soundstorm is NOT 24 bit compatable.

[F_L_C]

Originally posted by kearnemj
i think that might be because the 32bit is floating point logic, not as in the sense of true 24bit

Trying to decipher that and I come up with...24bit is fixed and therein lies the problem? I'm more confused then ever. I think I'll just wait for 5.25 final and see what happens.:confused:

soundstorm is NOT 24 bit compatable.
Ok, mod. I'll take your word for it. Will be sticking with 16bit, then, for the foreseeable future. Thanks for everyones' help.

[djtaylor]

Originally posted by F_L_C
Regular MP3s are stereo sources. How were you getting surround with stereo sources on WA v5.24 (w/out a surround plugin)?

Winamp 5.1 and above play sound through the rear speakers too. :) This is even with 2 channel audio and without any plugins.

[kearnemj]

heh, sorry for the confusion, im not totally knowledeable myself about it. but from what i understand in grossly oversimplifed terms is that 24bit is the actual degree to which the sound is duplicated digitaly from its recorded source, and the higher the number the better (24bit is superior to 16bit, i.e. dvd-audio 24-bit,cd 16-bit). While 32bit floating point is an algorithm that attempts to 'guess' or virtualize a 32bit audio stream, and is not true 32bit, and can lead to some problems when this isnt supported on both hardware and software. damn...i dont know if that even help me. anyways back to the topic at hand!

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by djtaylor
Winamp 5.1 and above play sound through the rear speakers too. :) This is even with 2 channel audio and without any plugins. So does 5.25. Make sure out_ds is selected as Output and 'allow hardware acceleration' is checkmarked in out_ds config (note, this is referred to as multi-speaker output, not surround sound).

[STanger]

Originally posted by F_L_C
Yeah, v4.62 is the latest official driver...at least for NF2 boards. There is a v4.64 available at MSFT Update but that version lowers the number of available sound buffers by default and is also meant more for Vista compatibility. So, I'm staying away from that.



I really don't see how that would make a difference. Besides, I got the analog cables for the Z-5500 packed away in the attic.

What did make a difference was installing the ATsurround plugin and enabling 32bit output in its settings. This somehow reenabled hardware acceleration in the DS status tab. If I switch to 24bit, then back to software. So, I have to conclude that the problem is either the in_mp3.dll or out_ds.dll plugins.

some motherboards don't allow digital audio hardware acceleration some do.

[net-cruizer]

I spent all last night and today trying to download this new release on my crappy wireless connection, to find that the tray icon tooltip still does not show up, which is very annoying. Seems weird that it'd be missing in the first place.
Anyone know if that can be ResHacked?

[DrO]

the tray icon thing is fixed for final and was related to the unicode changes altering what the OS expected which caused things to fail.

-daz

[YtseJam]

Hey, what about the installer annoyance (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2004539#post2004539)? :(

[osmosis]

seconded, but with the addition of the ability to uncheck all the ML components you don't want. also i don't install ml_pmp but i install ml_online; with ml_online checked, it forces me to install ml_pmp even though all the pmp_devices in the tree beneath it are also unchecked.

edit: i know it's not called ml_online/ml_pmp in the installer, but you know what they correspond to.

[DrO]

i don't know about the installer, i keep pestering on certain aspects of it but it's down to one of the other dev team to sort out who i don't have any contact with so i wouldn't hold your hopes up...

-daz

[Mouser X]

Originally posted by lord_ah
hey

my collection of snes 'rsn' files doesnt play with these beta's. will this be fixed?

*for those that dont know, rsn is just a renamed rar archive with lots of .spc sound files which are ripped using zsnes etc.

kind regards Actually, when I installed SNESAmp 3.2, I had the same problem. Winamp crashed. And this was an older version of Winamp (5.2, at best). Revert to SNESAmp 3.1. That's what I've been using, since 3.2 broke a lot of stuff.[/end hijack]

Uh, if this isn't appropreiate, could someone PM with a better means of communicating this? Mouser X out.

[kr4zy]

Nobody who can reproduce my rating/playcount problem? I noticed tracks that have been in the ML for a long time are the one's getting resetted, and now all of a sudden all tracks that are newly added get automatically rated ** when clicking them lol...

[DJ Egg]

Correct. No-one can reproduce it.
Confirm a clean install of 5.25 beta build 801 with no 3rd-party plugins.

[djtaylor]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
So does 5.25. Make sure out_ds is selected as Output and 'allow hardware acceleration' is checkmarked in out_ds config (note, this is referred to as multi-speaker output, not surround sound).
In which case, stereo output could also be referred to as multi-speaker output, since that also uses more than one speaker. :rolleyes: And why was Winamp 5.1 labelled 'surround sound edition'? I'm aware that the sound coming from the rear speakers is the same as that coming from the front (for 2-channel audio, anyway), but it's still surround sound.

Anyway, yes, I'm using out_ds for output and 'allow hardware acceleration' is selected.

After some experimenting, I've found that sound comes from the rear speakers when 'allow 24 bit' (in general prefs -> playback) is NOT selected, and from the front speakers only when 'allow 24 bit' IS selected.

Any chance of fixing 2-4 in my original post?

[kr4zy]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Correct. No-one can reproduce it.
Confirm a clean install of 5.25 beta build 801 with no 3rd-party plugins.

I already said that on the first post :p

[DJ Egg]

Always post a link to your original post with any follow-ups, or quote the original post. Makes things alot easier for us, heh.

That all said & done, we still can't reproduce the problem.
Playcounts & Ratings are all working as expected here.

@djtaylor
What's your soundcard? More than likely, it's a hardware limitation if you don't get sound coming out of all speakers when the 24-bit option is enabled.

Stereo/2-channel is standard, and not classed as multi-speaker output (5.1/7.1/etc).
Surround Sound means that the music was recorded in e.g. 5.1, ie. it's not just a basic stereo signal split over the front/rear channels.
Winamp 5.1 came with demo.aac which was a 5.1-channel recording, hence the Surround Edition label, even though Winamp already supported playback of surround sound encoded files prior to 5.1. It was mainly just a play on the 5.1 tag.
And Winamp has supported multi-speaker output (quad/5.1/7.1) since Peter's out_ds was first included waaay back in v2.8 ish.

Re: your original post (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2004644#post2004644)

#2 is already fixed for 5.25 final. Thanks.

#3 & #4 have been forwarded to the appropriate department which deals specifically with the installer, so we shall see...

[Benski]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Stereo/2-channel is standard, and not classed as multi-speaker output (5.1/7.1/etc).
Surround sound means that the music was recorded in e.g. 5.1, ie. it's not just a basic stereo signal split over the front/rear channels.
Winamp 5.1 came with demo.aac which was a 5.1channel recording, hence the Surround Edition label, even though it already supported playback of surround sound encoded files prior to 5.1. It was mainly just a play on the 5.1 tag.

We first turned hardware acceleration on by default in 5.1.

[DJ Egg]

That as well :-D

[bemymonkey]

Oh... and here I thought the "allow surround sound" option in the playback preferences was there to upmix stereo sound files to 5.1 or whatever speaker config the user has...

What DOES it do when it's unchecked? Are 5.1 recorded files simply downmixed to 2.1?

[Koopa]

Not sure, if I agree with the global option to enable 24Bit support. Main issue is, that most people simply don't know what 24 bit means.

Most people think:

24Bit > 16Bit = better.

There can come several errors and crashes, when you enable this feature on boards, which don't support 24bit, also broken drivers can occur several errors.

At least an info popup, like the old vorbis decoder has, which provides some infos about possible risks would be nice when you enable this feature the first time.

Just me and bemymonkey have problems with the OSD? I've disabled this feature, 'cause the OSD in no longer usable for me in 5.25 (clean install, no 3rd party plugin). If you really need, I can provide more informations about my system.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper

Just me and bemymonkey have problems with the OSD? I've disabled this feature, 'cause the OSD in no longer usable for me in 5.25 (clean install, no 3rd party plugin). If you really need, I can provide more informations about my system.

This has been bothering me for quite a few releases now, not just 5.25... What happens is the parts of the OSD move around (i.e. all of a sudden I've got the part that's usually on the bottom, meaning the progress bar and playback controls, on the top as well - the title is no longer displayed), or it becomes distorted (i.e. the playback controls are jumbled), or it just doesn't appear at all (2 black bars appear in place... lol.).

This happens without plugins installed, with and without FFDShow...

[djtaylor]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
What's your soundcard? More than likely, it's a hardware limitation if you don't get sound coming out of all speakers when the 24-bit option is enabled.
Yes, I've since noticed that out_ds reports software mixing when 'allow 24-bit' is selected (hardware mixing when it's not), and read in an earlier post that nVidia SoundStorm (my sound card) doesn't support 24-bit. I was sure it did though. I've just looked at the specification in the manual but it doesn't say anything about it. Ah well. :|

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Re: your original post (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2004644#post2004644)

#2 is already fixed for 5.25 final. Thanks.

#3 & #4 have been forwarded to the appropriate department which deals specifically with the installer, so we shall see...
Thanks! :D

[Koopa]

This has been bothering me for quite a few releases now, not just 5.25
Yeah but rarely. With 5.25, it happens nearly everytime.
i.e. all of a sudden I've got the part that's usually on the bottom, meaning the progress bar and playback controls, on the top as well - the title is no longer displayed
Yeah, with 5.25 I see the progress bar twice, or sometime just the word "Progress", one on top and one on bottom. The other components of the OSD are not visible.

[YtseJam]

Egg, what about my installer issue (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2004539#post2004539)? That installer issue is as old as, well, the installer's first appearance! :D

(DrO, yeah, I wanna hear it from Egg :P)

[Benski]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
At least an info popup, like the old vorbis decoder has, which provides some infos about possible risks would be nice when you enable this feature the first time.

Good idea.

[DrO]

Originally posted by YtseJam
(DrO, yeah, I wanna hear it from Egg :P) *shrugs*, i try to offer help as things were known, i dunno why i bother :D ;)

-daz

[jmatthews112]

Originally posted by YtseJam
Egg, what about my installer issue (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2004539#post2004539)? That installer issue is as old as, well, the installer's first appearance! :D

(DrO, yeah, I wanna hear it from Egg :P)

And how about this (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=238427) one? I know it made it to the Wishlist, but that was only to please someone who shall remain unnamed. ;)

jmat

[amano]

Did I mention already that the split up ML components should really be handled by the installer as well? What helps being able to disable ML components if they are re-installed with every beta and final release. Quite annoying.

/me thinks that the installer could deserve a major overhaul.

Some suffer from the "minimal install" default not working.
Some want winamp not to automatically start itself after a new installation (at least the option to disable that).
Some want nifty silent switches (for unattended installations).
And the "anonymous usage report" dialog should be moved rather to the rest of the install process than to the next winamp start. I don't see why that should be separated.
And last but not least I would like to be finally able to stop it from installing out_wave on XP/2000 every time (it does so for about 8 years already)

oh. well ;)

[bemymonkey]

Here's an example of the issue Koopatrooper and I are experiencing... see attachment...

[niktheguru]

Guys, with build 801 i cannot close winamp using the winamp icon in the taskbar anymore. If i do, it crashes (like it did in 5.24 but NOT in the previous 5.25 build) It was fixed in the last beta build but now it crashes again. If i close winamp using the main window then it shuts fine. Any ideas? (clean install etc)

[DJ Egg]

Does it make any difference if you uncheck "use skin/langpack font" in Prefs > Playlist, and select a different font from the drop-down menu? (the osd uses whatever font is selected here).

[bemymonkey]

Nope... I just unchecked it and that just made the OSD disappear completely (black bars instead)... but that happens sometimes when it's checked too...

[siebe83]

Originally posted by niktheguru
Guys, with build 801 i cannot close winamp using the winamp icon in the taskbar anymore. If i do, it crashes (like it did in 5.24 but NOT in the previous 5.25 build) It was fixed in the last beta build but now it crashes again. If i close winamp using the main window then it shuts fine. Any ideas? (clean install etc) Does this (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2004350#post2004350) make a difference?

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
Nope... I just unchecked it and that just made the OSD disappear completely (black bars instead)... but that happens sometimes when it's checked too... And how many/which different fonts did you try?

Not sure if this is relevant or not, but do you have DPI set to Large Size (as opposed to Normal Size) in: Display Control Panel > Settings > Advanced?

Other than that, I really aren't sure, heh.

[bemymonkey]

DPI is set to normal... I'll try out a few fonts now...

-edit- switching fonts didn't change a thing...

Could it have something to do with alternate themes for Windows? I'm using a visual style that's not exactly standard, but then again, judging by the "post your desktop" threads, most people here do... so that shouldn't be the problem...

[YtseJam]

Display of song info when hovering the systray icon is still broken in this build.

[DrO]

Originally posted by DrO
the tray icon thing is fixed for final and was related to the unicode changes altering what the OS expected which caused things to fail.

-daz

[bemymonkey]

Wow... I just found a HUGE bug. When opening DivX files larger than 2GB, Winamp just freezes up - the video window never shows up but the sound plays... The complete GUI locks up, the only thing that works is using task manager to end the process...

This is with FFDShow...

Just checked - going back to 5.24 solves it, so it's definitely a 5.25 issue! Build 801 exhibits this behavior, can't find my 7xx install file to test that...

[Cianca]

what is this?

Access to ML views/playlists from main window / tray icon menu.
Implemented for 5.25


:weird:

[Benski]

Originally posted by Cianca
what is this?
:weird:

New options under the "Play" submenu in the main right-click popup menu

[Cianca]

Originally posted by Benski
New options under the "Play" submenu in the main right-click popup menu


really thanx :D

i think now the same go in the "File" menu, too ;) :up:

[Cianca]

Originally posted by Benski
New options under the "Play" submenu in the main right-click popup menu


really thanx :D

i think now the same go in the "File" menu, too ;) :up:

[Koopa]

Does it make any difference if you uncheck "use skin/langpack font" in Prefs > Playlist, and select a different font from the drop-down menu? (the osd uses whatever font is selected here).
Yeah, when I check this option, I have no OSD.

Using Windows XP, Luna Standard Theme. Winamp 5.25 Beta build 801, clean install no 3rd party plugin.

Whenever I move the cursor over the progressbar, I see the bar twice (attachment).

my collection of snes 'rsn' files doesnt play with these beta's. will this be fixed?
Works fine here using latest 5.25 beta and SNESAmp 3.2.

[bemymonkey]

Hmmm... does nobody care about my DivX bug? lol... this is really a bit of a problem...

[Benski]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
Hmmm... does nobody care about my DivX bug? lol... this is really a bit of a problem...

The bug was related to AVI metadata reading, it should be fixed for final (or next beta).

[bemymonkey]

Thank God... and here I was sweating on the edge of my seat, thinking of all the different ways I could've screwed up my DivX encodings ;-)...

[roytam1]

The 5.25 betas makes all the chars available. e.g. The CRs (char 0x10)
They are not valid in pervious versions.

[samsch]

Has anyone tried using the shnamp plugin with 5.25 when I installed it, my .shn files stopped working. I also tried reintalling the plugin.

[Desides]

I'm not sure if this is a Winamp problem or a plugin problem, but a unicode symbol in a FLAC file of mine doesn't display properly.

[danburd]

Winamp wouldn't rip a cd with song tracks that had characters with accent marks. I had to manually remove the accent marks from the tracks to get it to rip properly.

[Benski]

Build 812 posted

Winamp 5.25 Beta Full (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0812_beta_full.exe)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Pro (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0812_beta_pro.exe) (asks for key during install)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Standard (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0812_beta_std.exe) (same as Full but no ML or viz)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Lite (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/winamp525_0812_beta_lite.exe)

changelog between build 801 and build 812
warning when selecting 24bit output
fixed: [ml_disc] Play tracks after CD Ripping fix
fixed: [ml_local] bg scan crash when media library DB isn't loaded
fixed: [ml_history] Ctrl+H shortcut
fixed: registry keys created even on unregistered file types
fixed: systray tooltip not showing
fixed: crash on uninstallation
fixed: [in_wm] freeze when stopping streams that have rebuffered
fixed: freeze when exiting Winamp while minimized
fixed: burning with 24bit enabled
fixed: [in_dshow] AVI >2GB fix
fixed: [playlist] PLS loading fix