SHOUTCAST.COM RELAUNCH -POST HERE! [Archive]

SC_faisal

11th September 2008, 05:44

All,

We want to share with you some exciting news! In case you are not already aware, we launched a totally new redesigned website today: http://www.shoutcast.com/

We grew a little tired of the circa-1999 website so we decided to give it a top-to-bottom redesign. Some highlights of what we launched today are better search options, new dynamic content module, top stations listed by genres providing single-click access to different radio stations every time you visit, new SHOUTcast blog, skinning of the website.

This is only the first step in an active, on-going effort to improve the SHOUTcast Radio experience for our broadcasters and listeners. Some things that are in development are more features to the website, improvements to the broadcaster tools and better, more robust APIs. Already with the new site, we have made some improvements to the search functionality so that users can find your broadcast more easily.

We also launched the SHOUTcast Radio widget, which will allow you and your listeners to enjoy your broadcast from popular social networking sites like Bebo, MySpace, Facebook etc. Now your listeners can copy the widget from your websites and embed your station in their profiles or blogs!

- Grab the SHOUTcast Radio Widget for your own site or integrate it into popular social networking sites such as Bebo, Facebook and MySpace: Click here (http://www.yourminis.com/minis/yourminis/AOL/mini:shoutcastradio).
- Grab the SHOUTcast Radio toolbar for your browser - Customize your web browser to include easy access to your favorite SHOUTcast Radio stations. For the SHOUTcast Radio toolbar that you can download to work in conjunction with your web browser: Click Here (http://toolbar.aol.com/shoutcastradio).

So check it out - play around with the widgets and the site and let us know what ya think! You can also check out the new SHOUTcast Blog and join in the conversation there: http://blog.shoutcast.com/

Rock on!
-Faisal.

newbie200

11th September 2008, 08:50

Looks alot better guys nice work :)

caraoge

11th September 2008, 12:56

good job guy's!

broadcastingman

11th September 2008, 13:13

Awesome!
Congrats guys!

maxshadow

11th September 2008, 15:07

ShoutCast Radio Listing Messed Up HELP!
All of a sudden my stations listing has gone web page based which is retarded because it's harder to read and lists literally 1000's of pages when before it was just one page you scrolled.

I want the old ShoutCast Radio Listing back...how do I do that???

Jkey

11th September 2008, 15:12

http://classic.shoutcast.com

maxshadow

11th September 2008, 15:13

NOOOOOO! I'm talking that they changed it INSIDE my Winamp stand alone software...not the Winamp web site.

Jkey

11th September 2008, 15:17

its the same thing threads merged**

And btw i think the new winamp internal shoutcast list is
really nice i hated the old one.

maxshadow

11th September 2008, 15:18

It's inside my Winamp.

Jkey

11th September 2008, 15:19

i know what you are talking about and the only way to
get an old style list is via http://classic.shoutcast.com
from now on.

maxshadow

11th September 2008, 15:19

How do you get the old clean view of ShoutCast Radio???
Otherwise I'm uninstalling.

Jkey

11th September 2008, 15:22

i know what you are talking about and the only way to get an old style list is via http://classic.shoutcast.com from now on.

SC_faisal

11th September 2008, 15:32

Originally posted by maxshadow
How do you get the old clean view of ShoutCast Radio???
Otherwise I'm uninstalling.

Hi - regarding the listing of SHOUTcast within Winamp. The new listing is very clean and gives better results. Unfortunately you can not get back to the old list version within Winamp.

Thanks for the feedback!
f.

Jkey

11th September 2008, 15:33

its going to be a busy day faisal please stick around
i will redirect all questions to this thread.

aaronsnet

11th September 2008, 15:34

Suggestion: A feature somewhere on the page to promote the stations that are not the most popular. Perhaps a box that picks a random station and displays the information or something. It would be nice to give the stations that aren't saturated with listeners an opportunity to find out about us.

I do like the new updated layout, and the additional API's. Very nice!

SC_faisal

11th September 2008, 15:42

Originally posted by aaronsnet
Suggestion: A feature somewhere on the page to promote the stations that are not the most popular. Perhaps a box that picks a random station and displays the information or something. It would be nice to give the stations that aren't saturated with listeners an opportunity to find out about us.

I do like the new updated layout, and the additional API's. Very nice!

Absolutely! Thats been one of our main goals of this new release. You will notice that we have a new area on the left rail of the site called "Top Stations by Genre." That area refreshes on each page reload and the stations and genres that show up there are totally random, and not based on listener count. We will be adding more functionality to the site that will properly promote the variety and depth of stations that we have on SHOUTcast in the coming months!

Cheers
f.

maxshadow

11th September 2008, 15:47

Originally posted by SC_faisal
Hi - regarding the listing of SHOUTcast within Winamp. The new listing is very clean and gives better results. Unfortunately you can not get back to the old list version within Winamp.

Thanks for the feedback!
f.

SC_faisal, You've GOT to be KIDDING me...right?
This new thing is total crap.
Before you can scroll ONE page to find a station now you have to click over and over and over and over, there is no option to VIEW ALL this is totally retarded .

THANK YOU ALL FOR MESSING UP MY WINAMP.
I'M UNINSTALLING NOW...SEE YA!

oomingmak

11th September 2008, 15:50

Originally posted by SC_faisal
Hi - regarding the listing of SHOUTcast within Winamp. The new listing is very clean ...
In YOUR opinion.

Personally, I hate it.

Before, the style of the listing used to blend perfectly with whatever skin you'd chosen (fonts, colours, spacing etc. all matched your existing theme). Now it doesn't even fit the Media Library window properly, never mind blend with the existing theme. How is hard-coding a specific page width on a web page (preventing its inherent ability to resize) supposed to be an improvement?

Visually it may well look ok if you use the default Bento skin, but for anything else it clashes hideously and looks revolting. Functionally it is crap too, because you have to click endlessly to browse through content.

Sometimes it seems like the devs go out of their way to annoy their users.

Originally posted by SC_faisal
Unfortunately you can not get back to the old list version within Winamp.
Why does that not surprise me.

Nick@ss

11th September 2008, 15:58

Originally posted by maxshadow
THANK YOU ALL FOR MESSING UP MY WINAMP.
I'M UNINSTALLING NOW...SEE YA!

Thanks for your feedback and patience with the relaunch :)

DJ Matt

11th September 2008, 16:47

Originally posted by maxshadow
How do you get the old clean view of ShoutCast Radio???
Otherwise I'm uninstalling.

What a whiny bitch after all this hard work they put in, just ignore him.

peppert

11th September 2008, 16:50

love the reduction of the useful part of the page to 8% of the field view, 25-character limits on station name and now playing, and 50% of the page dedicated to ads!!! who knew i was incontinent? thanks, shoutcast!

i suppose those parts were inevitable, but i am glad to see you guys breathing some life into the old girl. did you really have to use tomcat, though?

DJ Egg

11th September 2008, 17:07

I have to agree with maxshadow and oomingmak here. Sorry.
Please bring back an option to use the previous Winamp client version as well. Or at least make it so it's not limited to 10 stations per page. Thanks.

Jkey

11th September 2008, 17:09

Im sure the dev team is addressing the issue :)
i think just adding a link/config setting to
display the old list is a wise idea.

Nick@ss

11th September 2008, 17:16

Originally posted by peppert
love the reduction of the useful part of the page to 8% of the field view, 25-character limits on station name and now playing, and 50% of the page dedicated to ads!!! who knew i was incontinent? thanks, shoutcast!

i suppose those parts were inevitable, but i am glad to see you guys breathing some life into the old girl. did you really have to use tomcat, though?

lol i suppose you have reason / good cause to complain lol,

good to see your still lurking ;)

jonberry

11th September 2008, 17:41

Hi,

www shoutcast com/sbin/tunein-station.pls is now being redirected to yp.shoutcast.com

This is generating HTTP 302 Moved Temporarily and is causing problems for some of my applications.

Is this really temporary?

Will you change it back please?

Regards,

Jon

Jkey

11th September 2008, 17:44

http://classic.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls

bjjocsdradio

11th September 2008, 17:46

I have to agree Tom, one of my biggest complaints about the new site is the inability to view the name of the whole station or song name until you click the "More" button, I understand that it makes the YP more compact but it's a tiring process to have to keep clicking through "More" buttons in order to view what actual song is playing, bit-rate, etc. Plus, no AIM or ICQ fields anymore? This should have been priority to be listed since it's already apart of the current DSP.

Also, something needs to be done with how many stations can be listed at once on a page, I remember with the old YP you were able to list up to 100 stations at once, having to scroll through endless amounts of pages is tiring as well, and will make it harder for smaller stations to be heard due to the fact that you have to go to the 18th page of a genre to find smaller stations, and most people will get tired of looking through listings by the 5th page with how the new YP is set up.

As far as the WINAMP internal SHOUTcast listing, you should just make an option to view "Classic SHOUTcast Listing", just like the main site has the option to view the old YP, that shouldn't be too hard at all.

I'm very happy SHOUTcast is moving forward with good progress, but certain issues being resolved will help alot of broadcasters out, especially with the YP. As much as I love the new YP design, the widget and the toolbar, I think we need to be more concerned in the long run with how the broadcasting software is going to play in with the relaunch. I know alot of people are disgruntled with how things are turning out, but you also have to understand the word "BETA" underneath the new logo, this is only testing at this point, and hopefully the dev team adresses the issues and corrects them.

jonberry

11th September 2008, 17:54

Originally posted by Jkey
http://classic.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls

Is there a reason why you need to do the redirect from www to yp for the pls file?

It's causing a lot of problems for me.

Is it temporary or permanent?

Thanks,

Jon

Jkey

11th September 2008, 17:58

That is the classic system,there is now a new fresh
improved one in its place :)

peppert

11th September 2008, 18:11

it's all tag's fault i'm still here! blame him!

keep the faith, kids.

Originally posted by Nick@ss
lol i suppose you have reason / good cause to complain lol,

good to see your still lurking ;)

jonberry

11th September 2008, 18:11

Oy.

Is there any way that you could get rid of the redirect on pls link for say a week until I have a chance to fix things?

Jkey

11th September 2008, 18:12

Originally posted by peppert
it's all tag's fault i'm still here! blame him!

keep the faith, kids.

lol :D

Jkey

11th September 2008, 18:13

Originally posted by jonberry
Oy.

Is there any way that you could get rid of the redirect on pls link for say a week until I have a chance to fix things?
thats a great way to ask for things to get changed
speaking to aol now telling them to bring the
hole thing down until you are ready. ;)

shauneq

11th September 2008, 18:17

Getting back to the topic at hand - I would like to put in my 2 cents that I think the new interface is really AWFUL. I hate the fact that I have to hit the next link to scroll page after page. I can't sort by column. I'm always accidently clicking on a link thinking I'm going to play a song but a stupid browser comes up. The use of screen real-estate is completely tragic and and wasteful.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give an option to go back to the original listing format.

Jkey

11th September 2008, 18:21

there is an option at the top of the page it says

Miss your old SHOUTcast Radio? Classic SHOUTcast Radio 1.0 (http://clasic.shoutcast.com)

if you refer to winamp be patient ;)

SC_faisal

11th September 2008, 18:28

Originally posted by jonberry
Hi,

www shoutcast com/sbin/tunein-station.pls is now being redirected to yp.shoutcast.com

This is generating HTTP 302 Moved Temporarily and is causing problems for some of my applications.

Is this really temporary?

Will you change it back please?

Regards,

Jon

yes this is temporary. We're working on a fix.

thanks
f.

SC_faisal

11th September 2008, 18:32

Originally posted by bjjocsdradio
I have to agree Tom, one of my biggest complaints about the new site is the inability to view the name of the whole station or song name until you click the "More" button, I understand that it makes the YP more compact but it's a tiring process to have to keep clicking through "More" buttons in order to view what actual song is playing, bit-rate, etc. Plus, no AIM or ICQ fields anymore? This should have been priority to be listed since it's already apart of the current DSP.

Also, something needs to be done with how many stations can be listed at once on a page, I remember with the old YP you were able to list up to 100 stations at once, having to scroll through endless amounts of pages is tiring as well, and will make it harder for smaller stations to be heard due to the fact that you have to go to the 18th page of a genre to find smaller stations, and most people will get tired of looking through listings by the 5th page with how the new YP is set up.

As far as the WINAMP internal SHOUTcast listing, you should just make an option to view "Classic SHOUTcast Listing", just like the main site has the option to view the old YP, that shouldn't be too hard at all.

I'm very happy SHOUTcast is moving forward with good progress, but certain issues being resolved will help alot of broadcasters out, especially with the YP. As much as I love the new YP design, the widget and the toolbar, I think we need to be more concerned in the long run with how the broadcasting software is going to play in with the relaunch. I know alot of people are disgruntled with how things are turning out, but you also have to understand the word "BETA" underneath the new logo, this is only testing at this point, and hopefully the dev team adresses the issues and corrects them.

Absolutely! It says BETA for a reason. :-)

With the addition and improvements that are planned for the backend broadcaster software and APIs, there will be loads more features and additions to the site in the months to come. And perhaps more importantly: open APIs means a lot more development that the SHOUTcast community can do to come up with apps and such.

Thanks and keep the feedback coming!

f.

JonnyMac

11th September 2008, 18:34

@maxshadow

I am replying to your PM at this thread.

I am not too bothered by the change. However, I do think there is a advantage to the older system as you prefer it to be.

Jkey

11th September 2008, 18:36

i Think choice will be the key moving forward :)

SC_faisal

11th September 2008, 18:48

And hey we brought Tom out of the woodwork and THAT constitutes an event in itself.

f.

Jkey

11th September 2008, 18:52

Originally posted by SC_faisal
And hey we brought Tom out of the woodwork and THAT constitutes an event in itself.

f.

Hehe yep its not often a shoutcast god speaks
directly to his followers these days.

bjjocsdradio

11th September 2008, 19:02

Originally posted by Jkey
That is the classic system,there is now a new fresh
improved one in its place :)

Everybody understands that, but there is a phrase "don't fix what isn't broken". Was the design broken? Maybe, it hasn't been updated since Tom did a final redesign of the YP back in 1999, but taking out popular YP options was unneccesary, theres not even a place to list clustered stations anymore, theres alot that needs to be looked at here.

Jkey

11th September 2008, 19:05

theres alot that needs to be looked at here.
And im sure it will be :)

dotme

11th September 2008, 19:27

Hell, I just looked at the listings inside Winamp. They look great to me.

I see what people are saying about the Winamp view only holding 10 listings per page, but I also understand the "hit" on a database when someone requests thousands of records. I'd prefer YP database performance and stability over a million stations on a single page any day.

I do wish the home page at www would show wider station listings though, like the Winamp view.

Just my two cents. I love the "Decades" genre link on the home page though. lol. Watch everyone scramble to change their genres to be listed under that ;)

jonberry

11th September 2008, 19:28

Originally posted by SC_faisal
yes this is temporary. We're working on a fix.

thanks
f.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!

*Prays for a fix soon*

Nick@ss

11th September 2008, 19:35

Originally posted by dotme
Just my two cents. I love the "Decades" genre link on the home page though. lol. Watch everyone scramble to change their genres to be listed under that ;)

There is a certain person i know that's not to far away has already done that :)

Jkey

11th September 2008, 19:36

:hang:

SC_faisal

11th September 2008, 19:46

Originally posted by jonberry
THANK YOU!!!!!!!

*Prays for a fix soon*

Can you please try now and let me know if the problem is resolved?

thanks
f.

jonberry

11th September 2008, 20:01

Originally posted by SC_faisal
Can you please try now and let me know if the problem is resolved?

thanks
f.

Yes, it's working now. :up:

BTW, do you have any long term plans to change that URL?

A heads up now would save me a lot of grief in the future.

Thanks again.

Jon

chuckeh

11th September 2008, 20:35

I guess the biggest news today wasnt the relaunch of the website, it was Tom's comeback to the forums ;)

jant77

11th September 2008, 20:46

What about those annoying nak 100 errors?

<09/11/08@22:41:06> [yp_tch] yp.shoutcast.com gave error (nak)
<09/11/08@22:41:06> [yp_tch] yp.shoutcast.com gave extended error (100)

I'm getting these every few YP touches since the beginning of this year. First I'm getting listed, then a few yp touches, then this error, then I'm added again, and so on. I didn't have problems for last few days though and the problem reappeared with the new site launch.

chuckeh

11th September 2008, 20:58

http://sp0rky-n00b.co.uk/nakerror.html

Are you behind a W-LAN or do you have an unstable connection?

Don Malvo

12th September 2008, 02:35

Gotta agree with maxshadow, oomingmak et al, almost word for word... this new version of Shoutcast has fucked up Winamp. It freezes my computer every time I try to open it. I was just about to uninstall Winamp but decided to visit this forum for the first time ever, just to find out what the hell Nullsoft has done to the great program I've loved since 2001. Good thing the bug is in Shoutcast and not Winamp itself... I really wasn't liking the idea of having to search for another music player with the functionality of Winamp. Still, with Shoutcast unusable, that takes a huge chunk out of Winamp's appeal for the time being; hope you guys revert it back to the old format quick, or at least add the option to.

csaguy

12th September 2008, 02:50

Can we get back the "sort" feature in the media list to at least sort by name and genre?

lowrider007

12th September 2008, 03:26

Originally posted by Jkey
That is the classic system,there is now a new fresh
improved one in its place :)

I'm sorry but don't take this personally, the only thing improved about it is how it looks, it lacks the functionality of the old system by miles, now I'm using shoutcast from within wimamp, I've been using the old system for years, a day doesn't go by when I don't have a shoutcast radio station playing, now I understand that people don't at first like change but this really is a step back, now I realise you guys want a fresh new look but there's no reason you can't have that and functionality in one neat package,

Major issues for me found so far are the following,

1) The inability to widen/manipulate the columns in the radio list, people are using monitors these days that have a resolution of up-to and beyond 1920x1200, being forced to view the list in such a confined space is not on.

2)The 'Station, Genre' search box doesn't remember your last search entry any more, this is also quite annoying, many are used to just loading up winamp with your fav genre of radio station found and displayed straight away without having to type in your last entry every time.

3) Having to hit the extra button under 'tune in' on every station just to find out more information, before all you had to do was widen the column to suit your resolution and then all you had to do was glance at the list and all the information was there to hand without having to click on every station just to get the extra information.

4)This is a big one for me, at the very least PLEASE, PLEASE show what Bitrate the radio station is on the first line, I would like to be able look at the list and know immediately which radio station is of what bitrate quality, PLEASE.

5)Also, 10 radio station being shown per page ?, whats going on here ?, at least add an option at the bottom to view list 10,20,30,40,50 etc.

Please remember that my complaints are directed at the functionality of shoutcast from within winamp, although tbh some of my complaints could also easily apply to the shoutcast.com also.

I do realise that this is still in the beta phase atm, I'm just asking that you please take on board some of our criticisms/suggestions, thankyou.

All the best.

lowrider007.

ujay

12th September 2008, 03:33

Originally posted by SC_faisal
Hi - regarding the listing of SHOUTcast within Winamp. ... Unfortunately you can not get back to the old list version within Winamp. You will find a technique to revert to the old style Winamp listings here :

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=260287&perpage=40&highlight=kill+the+ads&pagenumber=1

Scroll to the end for latest revision.

No idea if, or for how long, this will remain viable.

UJ

JDL_1

12th September 2008, 04:09

Don't like it. The surface appearance is that it is just prettied up, which is wonderful for some people, but I am not one of those. I do appreciate the effort however. I am sure there is more to this (after a cursory thread read).

There are those I am sure that preferred the older one line packed full of information interface that simply scrolled. Yes, that is me all of the way. Drab, but extremely useful and hard to improve upon (don't take that any way but in describing the interface please).

Please put in a switch for those of us that want all of that information back on one line and all of the available items on one page.

Please. There is a wisdom to having information presented in a concise, compact, logical manner. It means minimal interaction with the screen, keyboard, and mouse. You had already accomplished that. This new interface requires so much effort to find something, where simple scrolling or sorting and scrolling took care of it so nicely with the old interface.

What is that method to revert back? I cannot seem to find it.

Jkey

12th September 2008, 04:29

I'm sorry but don't take this personally
Dont worry debate is why this thread is here :)

As for reverting back try the fix ujay posted
outside of winamp use http://classic.shoutcast.com

ujay

12th September 2008, 04:38

Download and unzip the files (attached) - scr.html and sctv.html

Put them somewhere on your drive, ... /Winamp/Shoutcast/ would be good.

Close Winamp.
Open the ml_online.ini file in NotePad and edit the relevent ElementURLn= lines to point to the local sources.

e.g. ElementURLn=file:///C:/Program%20Files/Winamp/Shoutcast/scr.html

Save and re-open winamp.

If you look carefully at the .ini file structure you should be able to see how to add it in at the end, leaving the original settings intact, and allowing you to have both types of listing available.

Sorry, but you'll have to put up with no adverts :(

UJ

Jkey

12th September 2008, 04:40

Thanks for the fix :up:

I talked to the dev team yesterday they were trying to put
the wheels into motion to revert back to the old
version.I guess now we wait for aol to say yes.

[IN WINAMP ONLY]

[edited sorry been on forum duty 14 hours]

JohnErle

12th September 2008, 04:50

Originally posted by dotme
I love the "Decades" genre link on the home page though. lol. Watch everyone scramble to change their genres to be listed under that ;)

I called dibs on "Themes" last night. :D

Jkey

12th September 2008, 04:51

Originally posted by JohnErle
I called dibs on "Themes" last night. :D

Lol :D

CJPR

12th September 2008, 04:58

I do not like it. You can no longer do an easy search by bit rate.

If I click 'Rock' as a genre, then click 'broadband' for bit rate (like 128k is not broadband too!), my station, streaming at 192k and normally listed in the top 5 for that bit rate is listed well behind some other stations who are streaming at 128k.

What is the point of clicking the 'broadband' option for bit rate when you also list the 128k stations who already have a sort link. It is still grouping them by listener numbers rather than bit rate.

You have basically killed the option to do an easy search for higher than 128k bite rate stations. :down:

I think it is also a bad use of available space. You are trying to make it too compact when the majority of people today have decent sized monitors.

My complain relates the the winamp bento browser.

lowrider007

12th September 2008, 05:07

Originally posted by Jkey
Dont worry debate is why this thread is here :)

As for reverting back try the fix ujay posted
outside of winamp use http://classic.shoutcast.com

YES !!!!!!!

That fix works !!, old shoutcast is back !!! wOOO hOOOO, thanks mate, whoever made that, I owe you a pint of lagar.

ujay

12th September 2008, 05:25

Maybe the old and new styles can be made available through the Online Setup page, minimal change and no update required to Winamp.exe

I've fallen in love with having both styles available already, and use whatever facilities each has to offer.

UJ

Jkey

12th September 2008, 05:29

So let me conclude before my shift is over
that the majority of people are happy with the changes ?
:D hehehe

JDL_1

12th September 2008, 05:52

Originally posted by ujay
If you look carefully at the .ini file structure you should be able to see how to add it in at the end, leaving the original settings intact, and allowing you to have both types of listing available.

Thank You! For use within Winamp, this works quite fine. I now have both old and new versions listed (and for SHOUTcast TV) but use the "convenient for me" old version.

droli

12th September 2008, 06:53

Please return the normal/standard ShoutCastTV view in MediaLibrary.

Also, please do NOT ever make this type of change, at least not without having some obvious switch that returns to normal mode.

I hate the new Beta. It is cumbersome and all but useless for the way in which I use MediaLibrary.

jant77

12th September 2008, 06:55

Originally posted by chuckeh
http://sp0rky-n00b.co.uk/nakerror.html

Are you behind a W-LAN or do you have an unstable connection?

it's NAK 100, which is an yp error
if I was behind firewall, I would get an error saying that I'm not visible from the internet

droli

12th September 2008, 12:24

ml_online.ini .. NO SUCH THING on my installation. How do I revert back to the normal MediaLibraray interface???? I hate this new one its useless.

Nick@ss

12th September 2008, 12:30

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2403757#post2403757

droli

12th September 2008, 12:43

I have looked at that post, that is where I found the instructions to edit the "ml_online.ini" file. HOWEVER, as STATED in my reply, in my installation THERE IS NOT SUCH FILE as "ml_online.ini".

THEREFORE, there is no file to EDIT!

Do you mean that I should create one? If so, which directory does it belong in? Also, does it require any other bits? etc etc etc ...

broadcastingman

12th September 2008, 12:56

Originally posted by droli
I have looked at that post, that is where I found the instructions to edit the "ml_online.ini" file. HOWEVER, as STATED in my reply, in my installation THERE IS NOT SUCH FILE as "ml_online.ini".

THEREFORE, there is no file to EDIT!

Do you mean that I should create one? If so, which directory does it belong in? Also, does it require any other bits? etc etc etc ...

Are you paying for this support? Give the staff at shoutcast.com some respect dude. It looks like your demanding and shouting like a 2 year old. :rolleyes:

Jkey

12th September 2008, 13:29

I know everyone is upset and scared by the new changes.
Change is scary,but just relax your all starting to
fight like a pack of wild dogs.

Just stay calm,breath in breath out before you post
it makes the place far more friendly.

SC_faisal

12th September 2008, 13:51

Originally posted by Don Malvo
Gotta agree with maxshadow, oomingmak et al, almost word for word... this new version of Shoutcast has fucked up Winamp. It freezes my computer every time I try to open it. I was just about to uninstall Winamp but decided to visit this forum for the first time ever, just to find out what the hell Nullsoft has done to the great program I've loved since 2001. Good thing the bug is in Shoutcast and not Winamp itself... I really wasn't liking the idea of having to search for another music player with the functionality of Winamp. Still, with Shoutcast unusable, that takes a huge chunk out of Winamp's appeal for the time being; hope you guys revert it back to the old format quick, or at least add the option to.

We're working on fixing this issue... Thanks for your patience!

f.

SC_faisal

12th September 2008, 14:31

Originally posted by lowrider007
YES !!!!!!!

That fix works !!, old shoutcast is back !!! wOOO hOOOO, thanks mate, whoever made that, I owe you a pint of lagar.

Thanks you can send that pint over to us at the office. You will see that we had provided the old version right from the get-go on the top-left hand corner of the new site:

"Miss your old SHOUTcast Radio?
Classic SHOUTcast Radio 1.0"

Cheers!
f.

bjjocsdradio

12th September 2008, 15:19

chinguez_doming

12th September 2008, 15:28

Put in my vote as one of the longtime users of Winamp and Shoutcast that hate the new Shoutcast interface...this has been a source of major irritation to me and I am not enjoying the change.

And, the machinations one has to do to revert to the previous, easier to navigate format sucks....you should be able to do that with a menu item and a couple of clicks at the most, not by having to go in and manually edit the configuration...

And, when I did that, I get runtime errors...I don't need this f-ing aggravation...

Now, this is all under Winamp....going to the webpage and choosing the classic view works OK...I just hate major formatting changes that remove functionality in lieu of a flashier appearance....

I realize that I have only been using the Internet since 1989 and own my own dotted IP address and may not know as much as the designers that add this "flash and trash" to webpages...so I could be wrong...but, give me simple pages that tell you everything you need to know in a glance, not something you have to crawl thru to get what you need...which is one reason I use Firefox with Flashkill and AdBlock Plus for my surfing needs....

I guess that's why I always used to use the AOL CD's that used to clutter the mail for target practice....or stuck in the microwave to see the sparks...

I don't usually join a forum just to complain about changes, but in this case having that change foisted on me with no notification (in Winamp) that I saw, just tweaked my "pissed off" button enough to cause me to express my opinion...

Just this old fart's opinion....:down:

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CraigF

12th September 2008, 16:17

Limiting the number of streams per page means more page views which means more ads served.

It's all quite simple really.

I still have no idea why this wasn't possible with the previous winamp dll plugin, and just embedding an ad banner as an IE control in the first instance. And I'll continue to be perplexed by that until the end of time.

As an example, wowaceupdater: http://www.louterrailloune.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/screenshot071.jpg

But, it wasn't as if anyone couldnt have written one, and they never did. I also stopped using shoutcast entirely, so im not disheartened.

SC_faisal

12th September 2008, 16:42

Originally posted by bjjocsdradio
I think he meant about the WINAMP SHOUTcast listing, uJay posted a fix to bring the old directory back inside WINAMP. Hopefully progress is continuing on allowing this option possibly in the configuration of the SHOUTcast page in WINAMP.

Yep... but only if we get a case rather than just a pint. ;-)

Stay tuned for updates... and THANK YOU for your patience!!!

f.

andyrwebman

12th September 2008, 18:05

Dear all - I can see that a lot of effort has been put into the Winamp media library, and it is clearer to read individual stations, but sadly I agree with the gripe that 10 per page is too few.

It's all too reminiscent of Windows Vista - flashier graphics but decreased usability.

To solve this - how about a results per page option (default 10)? That way I can just set it to 100 and scroll up and down happily, and everyone else is happy too.

JPamplin

12th September 2008, 19:23

Originally posted by SC_faisal
Thanks you can send that pint over to us at the office. You will see that we had provided the old version right from the get-go on the top-left hand corner of the new site:

"Miss your old SHOUTcast Radio?
Classic SHOUTcast Radio 1.0"

Cheers!
f.

:rolleyes:

Faisal,

I am a paid-up WinAmp Pro user who has owned the product for many years. I haven't participated in the forum, however, until now. I have registered with the forum specifically to reply to how you are responding to this issue.

You probably knew that the comment you just replied to concerned WinAmp, so what you stated above does not apply. WinAmp's current ShoutCast interface doesn't offer an easy way to switch back to the table grid layout, offering sorting by any field, etc. I won't go into all the comments above, they should be obvious.

We have had to tolerate the various changes made to this interface over the years. First you changed the number of results brought back in a search, then we had to put up with the ad banner (even for paying users), then the column formats changed (and changed back), now this.

I use WinAmp on a home theatre PC and the TV is 10 feet away. Everything EXCEPT the new interface scales with the text size, and the fixed width takes no advantage of widescreens. Now I have to walk up to the screen to read the listings, click More to see bitrates, can't sort by bitrate, etc. It makes it unusable for people who aren't 2 feet from their monitors.

But that's not really the point I'm trying to make. The point is that we DON'T owe you a pint of lager and we will NOT be sending one to your office - the WinAmp interface change gives us less functionality and further, gives us no choice in the matter.

As with the ad banner hack way back when, people like ujay have to circumvent the software to get us back to baseline. That's not progress. Do you think your work is satisfying when your customers are creating code to undo your work, and others are thanking him?

Need to make more money? This may not be the best way. Do you have a subscription service? That might be a way. Perhaps a WinAmp Classic that costs even MORE money but comes with a promise that you won't mess with it.

I'd pay for that, considering the trend here. Remember your professionalism, if that's important to you - run the changes by your users first, and don't patronize them with an answer like the above when it doesn't apply to his problem.

Thanks,

JP

SC_faisal

12th September 2008, 19:48

@JP: Actually I have already previously stated that we are already working on an option that will let you bring up the old SHOUTcast directory within Winamp. Please see my earlier posts...

f.

Greg_E

12th September 2008, 21:35

And hinted at a subscription service for the broadcasters to help pay the bills.

Would it be possible to do all the formatting in CSS and register a new CSS type of Winamp or Mediaplayer so that you could use CSS to format between screen and player? This would also help as you could (if you haven't already done so) format for mobile devices since a large majority of them can play streaming media (assuming the service provider allows it).

Jkey

12th September 2008, 21:43

Originally posted by Greg_E
And hinted at a subscription service for the broadcasters to help pay the bills.

:D dont be naughty you will create a 100 new threads
with people shouting that i have to clear up.

oomingmak

12th September 2008, 22:06

Originally posted by andyrwebman
To solve this - how about a results per page option (default 10)? That way I can just set it to 100 and scroll up and down happily, and everyone else is happy too.

Firstly, allowing more results per page will not "solve" anything, but merely somewhat mitigate a major annoyance.

Secondly, while you may be happy with such a change, you're not in a position to speak for "everyone else".

If you look back through this thread you will see that the number of items listed per page is just one aspect of a whole raft of usability regressions brought about by this ill thought through change to the local client. Futzing around with page results so that 20, 30 or even 100 results are shown per page, is missing the point entirely.

You still won't be able to see full channel names or genre by default, you won't be able to resize column widths to suit your needs (or change the order / position in which those columns are placed). You can't sort results by number of listeners or by station bit rate. In fact you can't see the bit rate of stations at all. Setting a minimum bit rate in the config option (I set mine to 96kbps) made no difference to the results. I was still getting 56kbps channels showing up. The list display has been hard-coded to a specific width and does not resize to accommodate the ML window dimensions. The theming of the contents no longer matches the users theme and looks really ugly for anyone not using the Bento skin and it also means that the UI is totally different for that one particular pane in the Media Library versus all the other panes ....... etc. Need I go on?

I have no issue with what's being done to the web site (especially as a classic option has been provided for access to the old style web site) because web sites are self-contained environments that do not "belong" to users and therefore users don't expect them to be uniform and consistent across all sites. But fundamentally altering the UI of software installed locally on a user's computer is a whole different thing. It's somewhat like a web site company deciding that it's going to force you to display a particular wallpaper on your desktop regardless of your wishes.

However, as far as I can tell, it seems that the powers that be are actually taking into account users' unhappiness about this change and are consequently re-thinking their strategy about shoutcast listings in the local client. In my opinion, reverting to the old style list (either by default or providing it as an easily selectable option) is the only sensible course of action.

It remains to be seen what actually gets done in the end, but in the mean time the fix provided earlier in this thread is an absolute life saver.

MRL-MO

12th September 2008, 23:39

JDL_1

13th September 2008, 00:35

Originally posted by ujay
Download and unzip the files (attached) - scr.html and sctv.html

Put them somewhere on your drive, ... /Winamp/Shoutcast/ would be good.

Close Winamp.
Open the ml_online.ini file in NotePad and edit the relevent ElementURLn= lines to point to the local sources.

e.g. ElementURLn=file:///C:/Program%20Files/Winamp/Shoutcast/scr.html

Save and re-open winamp.

If you look carefully at the .ini file structure you should be able to see how to add it in at the end, leaving the original settings intact, and allowing you to have both types of listing available.

Sorry, but you'll have to put up with no adverts :(

UJ
It appears some people are having trouble finding the ML_online.ini. It may be in a hidden directory for many folks as OS and application sensitive data are located in these areas. The root directory is also one of those with a warning that comes up for most people. Enable viewing of it. Just don't put anything there or delete anything there.

Drive:\Documents and Settings\Your Login Name\Application Data\Winamp\Plugins\ml\ml_online.ini

Where "Drive" is the operating system boot drive, and "Your Login Name" is just that.

People having trouble locating ml_online.ini may be able to load notepad, do a File, Open, and manually type in the file location and name.

Windows Search is now screwed up (has been for several years and it is on purpose) and will not report files in some areas of the directory structures, so don't use Windows Search to locate the file. I use Agent Ransack for searches.

I did download the zip file and place the contents as instructed. Program Files may also have a warning that comes up in Windows Explorer on most machines. Click to enable viewing the directory and proceed. The Shoutcast directory mentioned must be created.

I created a backup of the original file first.

I then did copying and pasting as needed to get things where I wanted it.

I then edited the left side of the = sign as needed concerning the numbering as directed. I found the file name and directory could be entered as shown below which ends up being a shortcut method to the one described.

I edited my ml_online.ini as follows and added extra lines for readability and to make it easier to quickly edit:

----------------------------------------
ElementID1=10100
ElementIcon1=11001
ElementSubbed1=1
ElementName1=SHOUTcast Radio
ElementURL1=C:/Program Files/Winamp/Shoutcast/scr.html

ElementID2=10200
ElementIcon2=11002
ElementSubbed2=1
ElementName2=SHOUTcast TV
ElementURL2=C:/Program Files/Winamp/Shoutcast/sctv.html

ElementID3=10300
ElementIcon3=11003
ElementSubbed3=1
ElementName3=Winamp Music
ElementURL3=http://client.winamp.com/om/wav/

ElementID4=10400
ElementIcon4=11000
ElementSubbed4=1
ElementName4=AOL Videos
ElementURL4=http://client.winamp.com/om/av/

ElementID5=10500
ElementIcon5=11000
ElementSubbed5=1
ElementName5=AOL Radio
ElementURL5=http://client.winamp.com/om/xm/

ElementID6=10600
ElementIcon6=11006
ElementSubbed6=1
ElementName6=Games
ElementURL6=http://client.winamp.com/redirect?r=http%3A%2F%2Fgames.aol.com&t=winamp-client-onlineservices-aolgames

ElementID7=10700
ElementIcon7=11001
ElementSubbed7=1
ElementName7=New SHOUTcast Radio
ElementURL7=http://www.shoutcast.com/scradioinwinamp/

ElementID8=10800
ElementIcon8=11002
ElementSubbed8=1
ElementName8=New SHOUTcast TV
ElementURL8=http://www.shoutcast.com/sctvinwinamp/

ElementID9=-1
----------------------------------------
This is working fine in my setup.

I decided to write out this long discourse because of the help I got here, thank you, and that it is obvious that not everyone is going to have relatively easy access to many of the areas spoken of here, and many folks are not even remotely programmers or PC computer guru's and don't want to be.

ujay

13th September 2008, 01:50

Just a couple of observations on the above, as this seems to be rumbling on.

It is better to keep the original elements as they were and put the local sorces on new elements at the end. If you use Online Setup the first ones will get overwritten.

If you screw up, delete the ml_online.ini file, and Winamp will generate a default replacement next time you run.

I'm hoping this won't be of much consequence, it's far better handled in Online Setup if the devs get the go ahead. It can even be turned off by default if they wish.

UJ

Jkey

13th September 2008, 03:28

[THREAD MOVED]

The new SHOUTcast.com website and winamps internal
SHOUTcast tv and Radio lists now have a dedicated forum.
This should ease pressure on SC tech and discussions.
Please remember to read the stickys.

Thankyou
J.

crack1up

13th September 2008, 03:42

I have a four letter word for the SC changes in Winamp:

UGLY

If this is all there is to work with to find the stations I like to listen to and sort the lists, the UGLY refers to the non-sorting bit rates and columns, listing 10 stations a page, having to search for stations you don't know the name of, and by making stations harder to find they are hoping you settle for a less popular station.

I will uninstall winamp and move on to something more useful that is not influenced by AOL.

Thanks, but no thanks!

Don Malvo

13th September 2008, 05:22

darkelfv

13th September 2008, 09:53

Sorry but the new look is good and all but having to page through the top 500 to find a station i like is crap.

I liked the one line genre and station and now playing. having to look amonst multi line and multi page with in Alt + L in winamp is not cool. make a option to change it back to classic please.

Other-wize it looks great.

fc*uk

13th September 2008, 13:51

All an all I think you fellas did a good job. If only people knew how to search for the stations that they want to listen to better they might not have these problems. When I search, the station I am after is generally within the top 5.

People complaining about the in browser ads and having to use a "hack" to disable them from winamp get my most sincere why did you go to such lengths? Figure out the ad servers and add the servers to your hosts file. Hell, they even have hosts files premade that you can download online.

I just brewed and bottled 23 L of beer ... am willing to send to Winamp HQ, but wanna know what they will get me first. :) 23 L is a wee bit more than a pint, or a cast of pint's so I expect something good!

Cheers fellas.

Jkey

13th September 2008, 13:53

fc*uk thanks for bringing pos+ vibes back ;)

Nick@ss

13th September 2008, 14:05

Originally posted by fc*uk
I just brewed and bottled 23 L of beer ... am willing to send to Winamp HQ, but wanna know what they will get me first. :) 23 L is a wee bit more than a pint, or a cast of pint's so I expect something good!

Cheers fellas.

I think there is a SHOUTcast T-shirt laying around somewhere ;)

fc*uk

13th September 2008, 14:17

Originally posted by Nick@ss
I think there is a SHOUTcast T-shirt laying around somewhere ;)

Deal! :D

tech181

13th September 2008, 15:15

Please...At least put the option to switch back to old view.

The new listings are to say the least aggravating and cumbersome. You now have to select page after page to find your station and it is wrong you can view only 10 at a time.

Change is good but in this case it is going backwards.

The option to view all would solve this problem or at least the people who own the PRO version should have that option!!

fc*uk

13th September 2008, 15:29

http://classic.shoutcast.com/

tech181

13th September 2008, 15:35

No sir.
I am talking about the Media Library view in the WinAmp application.
Not the Shoutcast website view.

maxshadow

13th September 2008, 16:56

Originally posted by tech181
No sir.
I am talking about the Media Library view in the WinAmp application.
Not the Shoutcast website view.

Yeah...how come no one UNDERSTANDS what we're talking about when we say we want the old version of the media library back and post that useless link to shoutcast.com (whatever). That link doesn't work in the Winamp stand alone software, it just takes you to the web site.

We want ONE page that matches the look and feel of the WHOLE Winamp media player.
As I've posted before and shown what my Winamp looks like, the Media Library should MATCH the left pane, top left and right panes. All station info on ONE line. Why is this so hard to understand?

And I'm using iTunes until they fix this ridiculous foul up.
For what's it's worth I don't care about the ads, put them at the top or bottom, just put back in place one page with every station on one line.

Oh yeah, and the Media Library should remember what was loaded there before upon shutting Winamp down. This new version reverts back to "Top ShoutCast Radio Stations Today" instead of the genre you had listed there.

Jkey

13th September 2008, 17:11

Yeah...how come no one UNDERSTANDS what we're talking about when we say we want the old version of the media library back and post that useless link to shoutcast.com (whatever). That link doesn't work in the Winamp stand alone software, it just takes you to the web site.

if you took the time to read this entire thread
you would realise that the shoutcast development team
are aware of your concerns and are working on fix.

maxshadow

13th September 2008, 17:30

I have read every post, the fix is revert back to what we had for years. There ya go! Done.

Jkey

13th September 2008, 17:53

im starting a petition because i dont think anything needs
changing at all i love the new interface and anyone who
does not is boring,stuck in there old ways and generally
just a moaner.

im on my way to AOL with that pint.

Please note i was just playing devils advocate
when i created this post

bjjocsdradio

13th September 2008, 18:44

Originally posted by Jkey
im starting a petition because i dont think anything needs
changing at all i love the new interface and anyone who
does not is boring,stuck in there old ways and generally
just a moaner.

im on my way to AOL with that pint.

I don't think anyone thinks the new site is "ugly", I think everybody just wants the new site with the old YP setup, which shouldn't be too hard to understand because the new YP needs alot of work.

CJPR

13th September 2008, 19:34

Stuck in our old ways because some of us want to be able to sort by bit rate. Nice way to label people as moaners for speaking their mind. Complete lack of respect if you ask me. You should wipe your nose I think you have some brown stuff on it right now.

Jkey

13th September 2008, 19:43

:D just wiping my nose brb

JDL_1

13th September 2008, 19:44

Originally posted by bjjocsdradio
I don't think anyone thinks the new site is "ugly", I think everybody just wants the new site with the old YP setup, which shouldn't be too hard to understand because the new YP needs alot of work.
I agree here. And I am old (upper middle age is putting it nicely) and stodgy, but when something works so well as what the old interface did it is hard to improve upon. The new interface is very nice looking, but it doesn't work as well in practice.

The old grid listing is genius because it makes the best use of available space and allows sorting on what you think is relevant and allows you more options to find what you want because of the sorting and because of the quantity of listings displayed at one time.

You can still put the ads on the page. I would ask that folks avoid flash ads. Please. I'll take Java if you must. At least it doesn't interrupt you by saying an update is available now and you've got to side track to tend to it. My Java is set to update when I want it to. Manually. I don't install their update service. Screw Adobe's agenda and "their everything must have an "installed service whether you want it or not" attitude.

To Winamp:
The Winamp product itself is finally to the point I am ready to buy into it. Yes, up to now I've been a grateful "free loader". The product has matured enough and I've seen enough stability (except for it rearranging my desktop once) that I am finally ready to send in my support funds. The reasons for my decision have to do with the usability and depth of the product. Part of the current decision has to do with the ease of use of the SHOUTcast integration into the product. I've never been interested in the AOL parts (tried it but it is useless to me), and actually I've tried the Winamp Music part, and it just seems like the AOL stuff, so I ignore it as well. The SHOUTcast part has been quite usable and has been very much appreciated in the old very usable format.

I don't know how I missed it, but didn't AOL buy Winamp? If this is so I am back to "wait and see". AOL has screwed up everything they've put their hands to from my perspective and I've had enough of those folks and I will have no further associations with them.

Jkey

13th September 2008, 19:53

Originally posted by JDL_1

I don't know how I missed it, but didn't AOL buy Winamp? If this is so I am back to "wait and see". AOL has screwed up everything they've put their hands to from my perspective and I've had enough of those folks and I will have no further associations with them.

yep a very long time ago now

JDL_1

13th September 2008, 19:55

Originally posted by Jkey
yep a very long time ago now
Are they pretty much hands off but helpful?

AOL ticked me off so badly years ago with poor service when they bought out my old ISP and everything I've seen with them since has never looked good.

There is always a first.

Jkey

13th September 2008, 20:00

The changes you see happening now are because AOL has
decided after 10 years of nothing they were going to
move SHOUTcast forward,this is just the first step its
beta so will be changed to better suit the loyal users
there is no doubt.
Remember this is only the first change...

I would just like to add my comments above were nothing more than playing devils advocate to spark debate.
That is the reason i created this seperate forum in the
first place ;)

JDL_1

13th September 2008, 20:16

Just had another look at the Winamp and AOL listings. Many links don't work, but there are interesting items there. It is pretty much Ã€ la carte within genre's.

How long has AOL been involved, please?

Jkey

13th September 2008, 20:18

June 1, 1999 - AOL purchases Nullsoft.

JDL_1

13th September 2008, 21:01

*** Now off topic ***
Jkey
I'll still probably invest anyway. This is the only player I can find that implemented dither in conjunction with the volume control, and it seems to work.

Where would I ask about the particulars on that? I would like to know if a conversion is done to 32 bit floating point, then through the level calculation, apply the dither, and then back to 16 bit integer format.

Jkey

13th September 2008, 22:03

Ask in the winamp dev forum.
Intresting though i would like to know too.
Should be the case.

bjjocsdradio

14th September 2008, 03:27

Good to see everyone has calmed down a bit, didn't think that the new SHOUTcast would cause such a stir among everyone..

Jkey

14th September 2008, 03:36

I knew,
and i also know that with future changes things are
only going to get worst before they get better.

But They WILL get better ;)

lowrider007

14th September 2008, 05:22

Originally posted by Jkey
But They WILL get better ;)

god I hope your right, SHOUTcast is an integral part of my life and has been for years, the ability to load up what I consider to be one of the best mp3 software players (wimamp) on the market and have built into that player the the ability to search through thousands of high quality radio stations instantly with ease and simplicity is a luxury that I don't want to lose.

Please guys don't mess this up, I realise the people pulling the strings want a fresh now look but try your best to integrate some of the old functionality into it, or at least keep open the exploit that ujay posted so that the hardcore fans can keep using the old style format of shoutcast from within winamp, that way you have the best of both worlds.

cheers.

polter

14th September 2008, 16:53

xhilaration

14th September 2008, 17:15

that is SWEET LOOKING. Easy to navigate around NOW, this layout makes the old one look well SAD lol

AWSOME WORK ! I LOVE ITTTTTTTT [insert grouphug here]

rascal000

14th September 2008, 22:29

The changes are not welcomed by me at all. Others have posted that before we had been able to search and then have all the stations on one page that you could scroll down. Now you have to click next wait for the page to load. Another missing element is the "sort by..." there was no need for a change. I would like to have the option for the shoutcast within winamp to revert back to the way it was.

fc*uk

14th September 2008, 23:36

Originally posted by xhilaration
that is SWEET LOOKING. Easy to navigate around NOW, this layout makes the old one look well SAD lol

AWSOME WORK ! I LOVE ITTTTTTTT [insert grouphug here]

Quoted because she has the most constructive criticism out of everyone.

Oh wait, she liked it.

Hrumph.

Maybe y'all ought to get over it. I've been using shoutcast since circa 1999, its nice to see a change and a more updated feel.

:weird:

CJPR

15th September 2008, 00:49

You seem to be part of the minority. Looks to me like the majority disagree with the forum 'in crowd'.

Change and feel is good but not at the expense of functionality. Some simple tweaks to the new look and feel is what people want.

jaromanda

15th September 2008, 03:14

I don't see the big deal

if you don't like it, there's a link back to the old version anyway

Jkey

15th September 2008, 03:56

CJPR is amongst the small minority who choose
to ignore updates given by the dev team,that promise
the option to revert back to the old style list.

This minority also believe just because some users
actually like the new interface,they must have something wrong with them.
I like it i never understood what all fuss was about
ive had no problems at all with the functionality.

Jkey

15th September 2008, 04:10

Just found this thread in the bitchlist forum
it started as a bitch against the changes but i liked
how it was concluded.

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2405632#post2405632

MegaRock

15th September 2008, 06:23

Since the thread is here when will the new SC tools be coming out?

CJPR

15th September 2008, 09:59

I have not ignored the updates given in this thread JKey. Nor do I see anywhere in my posts where I said that anyone must have something wrong with them for liking the new interface. In fact I like it myself apart from the problems with how many stations are listed and the fact that you cannot sort the lists into bit rates.

Have you tried to sort by bit rate, it does not work at all. Now how is that not a problem with functionality ? Not everyone has the same habits as you when using Winamp.

Jkey

15th September 2008, 14:19

Originally posted by MegaRock
Since the thread is here when will the new SC tools be coming out?

Coming Soon ;)

pl3xus

15th September 2008, 14:20

Sorry but I hate the new design of the Shoutcast radio station listing. I even hate it so much that i registered here, just to post this. It's a brave act, to destroy everything the users loved.

-1st I have to go from page to page.

-2nd I can't sort the stations by Listeners and so on.

-3rd I can't see which file format the station got.

-4th Even for the bitrate i have to klick on every single station!

-5th Worst thing of all, I can't even drag and drop or enequeu the stations, wich means when I tune in, it fucks up my whole playlist. I can't have more than one station in my playlist. Or am I too stupid?

Maybe I'll search a different player.

Thanks. -.-"

Jkey

15th September 2008, 14:24

-5rd < i can drag multiple stations no problem
just tryed it.

pl3xus

15th September 2008, 14:26

Originally posted by Jkey
-5rd < i can drag multiple stations no problem
just tryed it.

rly? When I drag it I got only the URL of the stations web-page, which makes no sense at all.

Sorry if I'm wrong.

Nick@ss

15th September 2008, 14:26

Originally posted by pl3xus
Maybe I'll search a different player.

Thanks. -.-"

Jeez this place is crazy,

1rd, You have the option to go back to the origional list.

2rd, it is beta,

3th, it is free (not that it excuses it from being disliked)

at least give them a chance to sort it before being uber hacked off!!

Jkey

15th September 2008, 14:32

Originally posted by pl3xus
rly? When I drag it I got only the URL of the stations web-page, which makes no sense at all.

Sorry if I'm wrong.

I stand corrected sorry.

Right click on the tune in button !!
you will find your functionality there.

pl3xus

15th September 2008, 14:34

I know that It's free. And I guess they got more single pages, that more advertisment can be displayed. But thats okay, no problem there.

Yeah, It's beta, but normally you don't have to use Beta versions, you can if you want. I can go back? So, how? Hope not, by using http://classic.shoutcast.com/ all the time.

Greetz.

pl3xus

15th September 2008, 14:36

Originally posted by Jkey
I stand corrected sorry.

Right click on the tune in button !!
you will find your functionality there.

You're right, sorry. I thought I tried that, and it didn't work. Shame on me!

zepper

15th September 2008, 15:39

Originally posted by SC_faisal
Hi - regarding the listing of SHOUTcast within Winamp. The new listing is very clean and gives better results. Unfortunately you can not get back to the old list version within Winamp.

Thanks for the feedback!
f.

Sure you can, just install the Icecast Stream Directory plugin and get over a thousand stations nice and clean on one scroll window. I only use Shoutcast now through Winamp for a few must have stations that for some strange reason want to keep changing their address.

http://www.oddsock.org/tools/ml%5Ficecastlist/

Jkey

15th September 2008, 16:03

bit naughty for me to post but,oddsock also does..
http://www.oddsock.org/tools/ml_sclist
a shoutcast list for the media library.

But however a fix is coming so its pointless :)

zepper

15th September 2008, 16:16

Originally posted by Jkey
bit naughty for me to post but,oddsock also does..
http://www.oddsock.org/tools/ml_sclist
a shoutcast list for the media library.

But however a fix is coming so its pointless :)

Whatever fix they make the Shoutcast plugin is still better because it doesn't require javascript be turned on to make it work.

ujay

15th September 2008, 17:04

Originally posted by Jkey
Right click on the tune in button !!
you will find your functionality there.
@ jkey - have you seen this post (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2405765#post2405765), maybe needs looking at.

UJ

SC_faisal

15th September 2008, 17:46

Originally posted by pl3xus
-5th Worst thing of all, I can't even drag and drop or enequeu the stations, wich means when I tune in, it fucks up my whole playlist. I can't have more than one station in my playlist. Or am I too stupid?

Maybe I'll search a different player.

Thanks. -.-" [/B]

Hi - The SHOUTcast site has never supported this so this is not new. Also: this behavior is not controllable by the site, but is rather controlled by your default media player. We just surface the pls files. Your Media player does with it as it does...

thanks.
f.

ujay

15th September 2008, 18:02

@ pl3xus

The only things the Playlist editor will accept are files, playlists, streams etc.

I suspect what you are managing to drag is the link to the station website. Possibly Winamp sees this as a stream, until you try and play it.

UJ

Maverick.lm

15th September 2008, 18:46

Just adding my vote to the "prefer the old winamp Media Library shoutcast radio/tv formats". Can't wait for the actual fix. An embedded fixed-width "webpage" layout is bad design in a stand alone app. Leave webpages where they belong, on the web.

I'll admit the new look for the WEBPAGE is much nicer than the old one (ignoring the limit of 10 station limit and the stupidity of the "more" link to show format/bitrate). My suggestion for the webpage would be to move the right/third ("stations by genre") column into the left column or below the first 2 columns, and expand the actual stations listing to the full 2/3 width, thus providing plenty of space for station names, genre and both bitrate and format, eliminating the need for the "more" link.

Last thing I'll say.. If this was meant to actually be a beta, it should have been an Opt-in beta. An existing non-beta product should not be converted into a beta without the consent of the user. If you had done that you'd have much fewer unhappy people. BTW just because Google seems to think beta means "everyone should use it and damn the consequences", doesn't mean they're right. Not everyone wants to be your guinea pig.

maxshadow

15th September 2008, 19:44

Originally posted by Maverick.lm

Last thing I'll say.. If this was meant to actually be a beta, it should have been an Opt-in beta. An existing non-beta product should not be converted into a beta without the consent of the user. If you had done that you'd have much fewer unhappy people. BTW just because Google seems to think beta means "everyone should use it and damn the consequences", doesn't mean they're right. Not everyone wants to be your guinea pig.

Yeah!
I thought Winamp was pretty much a done deal.
Why all of a sudden are parts of it in beta and why FORCED on us?
I only joined this site to get a great thing back to normal.
AOL does this all the time but I thought their hands were out of Winamps pockets.

I beta tested for AOL a lot in the past and they really don't listen, they just do what they want and look at them now...they're giving away its software for free.

I'm really scared AOL wont allow a revert or even an option to go back to a more user friendly version.

SC_faisal

15th September 2008, 19:59

Originally posted by maxshadow

I'm really scared AOL wont allow a revert or even an option to go back to a more user friendly version.

No need to be scared. The powers that be are very aware of the issues and we are working as fast as we can to provide a link to revert back to the old version of the directory within Winamp, thereby making the new BETA an Opt-in like the web site is.

The fix will be complete by the middle of the week if not sooner.

Cheers!
f.

lowrider007

15th September 2008, 21:44

Originally posted by SC_faisal
No need to be scared. The powers that be are very aware of the issues and we are working as fast as we can to provide a link to revert back to the old version of the directory within Winamp, thereby making the new BETA an Opt-in like the web site is.

The fix will be complete by the middle of the week if not sooner.

Cheers!
f.

Thanks allot guys, must be a bit of a bummer reading critique about your work but please know that any improvements that go into changing SHOUTcast for the better based on peoples feed back is much appreciated.

bjjocsdradio

15th September 2008, 22:33

I wonder how feedback will be once the broadcaster tools are available. It'll be nice to talk about something other then how the YP looks.

LamasAss

16th September 2008, 03:51

I love Winamp, but I really don't like the new ShoutCast, I'm sorry to say. (I refer to SC in Winamp not the website)

I did like the old ShoutCast quite a bit. Ugly and effective.

Sure the new one is prettier (very debatably) and has supposedly better search options (I wouldn't know or care because I've never had to use the search)

Paged results is the worst "improvement". Please give me a full sortable listing again. Please!

I realize it's a work in progress, but could you PLEASE put the old ShoutCast back into the Winamp Media Library until the new version is ready (which it's not, no offense).

I don't mean to be negative but it does seem that the direction ShoutCast development is taking (on the front-end, user experience side) is going backwards. The evidence is listed in the many complaints on this thread.

I understand you are working on a fix. It seems to me it should be a fairly simple one: revert to the old ShoutCast.

Thanks. (And I do still love Winamp)

P.S. - I'm not going to buy you a pint, instead I'll just look at all these ads so put your beer on AOL's tab.

SC_faisal

16th September 2008, 13:50

Originally posted by lowrider007
Thanks allot guys, must be a bit of a bummer reading critique about your work but please know that any improvements that go into changing SHOUTcast for the better based on peoples feed back is much appreciated.

Thanks... if we dont hear from people and get their feedback - how will we know if we're doing things right or wrong? So yea, feedback is great - good and bad!!!

cheers
f.

SC_faisal

16th September 2008, 13:59

Originally posted by bjjocsdradio
I wonder how feedback will be once the broadcaster tools are available. It'll be nice to talk about something other then how the YP looks.

The first broadcaster tool was released into beta by our kick-ass member of the dev team Neil a month ago and we've been making additions and changes to it with DIRECT feedback from broadcasters. Since all of the members of the dev team are also broadcasters - I have good confidence that we will only make the broadcaster tools better WITH everyone's feedback!

Stay tuned for announcements of beta versions of the new tools coming up soon.

f.

Jkey

16th September 2008, 15:06

I would like to add that sc_trans 2.0 beta
went smoothly,all bugs that were found by users
were sorted out and within a month a fixed
version was published.

If this is a taste of the way things will work
its looking real good for the future of SHOUTcast.

maxshadow

18th September 2008, 02:45

Nick@ss

18th September 2008, 06:10

Im sure when there is some news this thread will be updated ;)

Jkey

18th September 2008, 06:12

yes the dev team are really busy at the moment
so just relax ;)

SC_faisal

18th September 2008, 15:08

Originally posted by Jkey
yes the dev team are really busy at the moment
so just relax ;)

Yep - currently scheduled for Monday guys... We have to follow a process now and the days of pushing stuff to production ourselves are gone. :-)

f.

Nick@ss

18th September 2008, 15:15

Originally posted by SC_faisal
Yep - currently scheduled for Monday guys... We have to follow a process now and the days of pushing stuff to production ourselves are gone. :-)

f.

Yep, i can see it now, feet up on the desk, waiting for the different departments to do their bit ;)

Jkey

18th September 2008, 17:23

Originally posted by Nick@ss
Yep, i can see it now, feet up on the desk, waiting for the different departments to do their bit ;)

:D

oomingmak

19th September 2008, 01:42

azerty2005

19th September 2008, 11:40

Will Shoutcast work again on older versions of Winamp?
I try'd out the latest versions, but i stopped upgrading on version 5.53 and will not upgrade anymore, because i personally don't like what is becoming of the player.

Waiting for response, Thanks.

Jkey

19th September 2008, 18:11

Its wait and see i think,
report back after the option to revert back is added
next week.

sanka2man

19th September 2008, 23:09

Hi Guyz...
today i just felt i wanted to listen to my fav genre music on the so good shoutcats library. This was so easy, you could see what was on air, which kind of music it was, what was the bandwith, hide some columns ou diminuish the width of those wo weren's important. Wanted to listen to some good radio at a high bandwith ? I was just clicking on "listener max" and then choose a high bit rate. Getting bored of that music, wanna change for a better quality ? It was as easy as clicking on "bitrate" to get on top all the high band with radio, and then scroll down till the bottom. ok, it was kind of odd and old fashion skin but it was SO FREAKING EASY to surf on shoutcast on winamp, all the information were so easilay accessible.
And today, guess what... i got pissed off. It's such a pain to navigate, to go to a radio to another. Only 10 results per page, no bitrate ranking, no column to check quicly all the information in 5 sec... now it takes a 2 sec lap to go from page one to page 2.
Some are gonna answer, yeah but can still go on classic shoutcasthttp://classic.shoutcast.com ... but hell yeee, it ain't the same at all that the classic shoutcast on winamp library guyz, only have 100 results/pages (well better than 10 anyway...), no column that u can change, and u have to download the shoutcast playslist and go back to your winamp to press "play". easy nope ?
well maybe this needed some change for skinning and stuff like that, ok it looks more fancy nwo, but hell nope for navigation guyz, or just let people choose the way they like (the same way than u choose "modern" or "classic" winamp).
And i search for half an hour where i could leave a comment about that, and come to that forum to complain (well i'm not gonna complain about that, thanks for that nice forum where we can express our opinion :p ), but how many ppl get frustated and won't do that ?
Go have a look on winamp blog, most people are not happy with that...
http://blog.shoutcast.com/2008/09/10/welcome-to-the-all-new-shoutcast-and-blog/2#comments

ok it's just what i've flet about the new shoutcast radio library, i didn't read all the posts until now, looks like there's a way to get back to the old fashion version. But it'd be better if u can let people choose in the future, or improve the navigation, as the way as it was before

Cheers, sanka2man from France :blah:
PS : I use winamp 5.5 for now

Jkey

20th September 2008, 04:46

thanks for your input.

polocanada

21st September 2008, 20:05

Bump. I just wanted to add my bit here and how unhappy I am. I posted my whines in wrong forum.. Tomorrow is Monday. I will check first thing in the morning.

How unhappy I am as well:

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2407960

Thanks for working on all night long guys :)

chuckeh

21st September 2008, 21:10

Aha.

Jkey

21st September 2008, 21:30

tommorow is monday but remember that because of different
timezones the update may not available when you think it will.
wait until tuesday if that is the case.

SC_faisal

22nd September 2008, 15:10

Originally posted by Jkey
tommorow is monday but remember that because of different
timezones the update may not available when you think it will.
wait until tuesday if that is the case.

Guys I have some bad news. :-( Due to a late-breaking bug found over the weekend today's install to revert back to the old-style SHOUTcast listing on Winamp has been delayed until Thursday.

Thanks!!!
f.

Nick@ss

22nd September 2008, 15:25

Originally posted by Nick@ss
Yep, i can see it now, feet up on the desk, waiting for the different departments to do their bit ;)

:rolleyes:

Jkey

22nd September 2008, 16:12

At this time,everyone MUST stay calm
and be patient.

Thanks faisal keep up the great work :D

chuckeh

22nd September 2008, 18:27

It's like christmas. All are waiting and Santa Claus won't come until you eat enough ;)

dnewhous

23rd September 2008, 00:27

I hate the new look. It is totally awful! I will never search for another Shoutcast stream until the site changes.

Who thought that eliminating the information that was displayed on the old format would be pleasing to the users?

bswarm

23rd September 2008, 01:34

Originally posted by maxshadow
SC_faisal, You've GOT to be KIDDING me...right?
This new thing is total crap.
Before you can scroll ONE page to find a station now you have to click over and over and over and over, there is no option to VIEW ALL this is totally retarded .

THANK YOU ALL FOR MESSING UP MY WINAMP.
I'M UNINSTALLING NOW...SEE YA!

I Agree...
This is too hard to see and too many clicks to find something.

geopandas

24th September 2008, 02:37

BACK OLD STYLE PLEASE!!!!

It's too confused to quickly locate by genre and Acc+ or mp3...

I preferred Long List in to one only page.

;)

fc*uk

24th September 2008, 02:54

Originally posted by geopandas
BACK OLD STYLE PLEASE!!!!

I agree Back 2 the Ol' Skool was a great track

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3944/r11637581206485011uy6.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=r11637581206485011uy6.jpg)http://img54.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
:p

But in all seriousness (before someone decides to ban me for being a smart ass): http://classic.shoutcast.com/

SC_faisal

25th September 2008, 11:46

Originally posted by SC_faisal
Guys I have some bad news. :-( Due to a late-breaking bug found over the weekend today's install to revert back to the old-style SHOUTcast listing on Winamp has been delayed until Thursday.

Thanks!!!
f.

VOLIA! If you REFRESH your Winamp directory you will see a little link on the top-right that you can hit to return to the OLD classic listings!

w00t!

f.

maxshadow

25th September 2008, 12:50

Originally posted by SC_faisal
VOLIA! If you REFRESH your Winamp directory you will see a little link on the top-right that you can hit to return to the OLD classic listings!

w00t!

f.

THANK YOU!
(I hope something like this doesn't happen again).

Suggestion:
Instead of hitting 'Refresh' and clicking on a hyperlink to flip between the two styles, why not put the options in 'Options'>'Preferences'>'Media Library'>'Classic View'/'Modern View'.

Jkey

25th September 2008, 14:03

That "pint" is on its way :D

bjjocsdradio

25th September 2008, 14:36

Spotted a couple bugs with the classic listing in WINAMP:

* Search for station doesn't work. Tried searching for mine ("ocsd") and couldn't bring it up, also searched for more poular stations by station name including "977" and "Big R" and didn't retrieve any results. Search also doesn't work by genre for certain genre's, ("dance", "rap") but some do work, like ("jazz"). Search by artist works fine.

* Drop-list genres on the left side of the page next to "Config" doesn't work for all genres. Certain genre's do work. I am able to pull up "Pop" & "RnB" but cannot retrieve other genres including "Jazz" or "Rap", alot of the ones that cannot be retrived hang on the Loading prompt for a couple seconds and then time out.

Nick@ss

25th September 2008, 14:45

Originally posted by maxshadow
THANK YOU!
(I hope something like this doesn't happen again).

Suggestion:
Instead of hitting 'Refresh' and clicking on a hyperlink to flip between the two styles, why not put the options in 'Options'>'Preferences'>'Media Library'>'Classic View'/'Modern View'.

i doubt it will be a permanent feature as once they are happy with the new shoutcast.com i would be surprised if the old one stays running forever.

I may be wrong.

bjjocsdradio

25th September 2008, 14:51

In address to my last comment, these bugs are very sparse. I just typed in my station name again and was able to pull them up ("ocsd") but still can't pull up others including ("977"), so its a very limited issue

ujay

25th September 2008, 16:13

@ bjjocsdradio - these errors have always been there to a lesser or greater extent, nearly always with Error 503 or 'Failed to Load'. Doubt this is AOL exceeding their bandwidth allowance, could be maintenance but more likely database error.

If you decide you like the new style better than the old style after all, you can revert to the new style listings by deleting the following lines from 'ml_online.ini' :

ScRadioBeta=classic
ScTvBeta=classic

or just delete the whole file.

UJ

droli

25th September 2008, 23:45

I have tried every variation I can think of installing those scr and sctv downloads, and editing the ml_online file.

NOTHING WORKS, it does NOT restore the "old/GOOD" ShoutCastTV within WinAmp

PLEASE provide a FIX, the new SCTV is, for all intensive purposes, UNUSABLE.

MRL-MO

26th September 2008, 02:55

Read the note 4 or 5 above yours. Provides directions to get the "classic" version back without resorting to what your trying to do. Use F5 from the Shoutcast Radio screen to refresh the view and the classic link will appear for your use. Not sure if this applies to TV but it's nice to have the radio back.

LamasAss

26th September 2008, 02:56

w00t!
I got my classic SHOUTcast back! :D

I'm sure I'll like the redesign once it's a little further along and some of the issues brought up on this thread have been addressed. But in the meantime, thanks for the link back to the old SHOUTcast page.

Cheers, faisal, thanks for all the hard work.

P.S.
Please don't used paged results for the redesigned site.
Sortable columns are so much better, IMO.

lowrider007

26th September 2008, 20:20

Thanks guys !!, I wish I could paypal you a pint or two, still, I'll enjoy a cold on your behalf :-P, anyway thanks for taking on board are concerns and integrating an option to allow us to choose to revert back to the classic shout cast, good stuff.

geopandas

29th September 2008, 15:13

THANKSSSS!!!!

!!!!!I got my classic SHOUTcast back!!!!!!

Please, leave this option forever... I love Old Style Listing :D Â¿yes? Â¿yes? Â¿yes?.... ;)

SC_faisal

29th September 2008, 17:23

Originally posted by droli
I have tried every variation I can think of installing those scr and sctv downloads, and editing the ml_online file.

NOTHING WORKS, it does NOT restore the "old/GOOD" ShoutCastTV within WinAmp

PLEASE provide a FIX, the new SCTV is, for all intensive purposes, UNUSABLE.

Wonder why youre the only one seeing this issue.. Could you tell me more? Whats your platform? Windows XP or Vista etc etc?

f.

Jkey

30th September 2008, 15:15

I think that was posted before the fix faisal.
So far so good there have been no complaints here
since the dev team provided a fix. :D

darkelfv

1st October 2008, 01:30

OMG finaly classic view

This is so much better thank you so much.

Barista

1st October 2008, 09:31

Thanks for providing the end-user an option to return to the original "classic" view of Shoutcast Radio. The channel selection choices and description views are FAR BETTER in the original "classic" single-page view (even with the longer vertical scrolling).

I really didn't like the new beta version's "flipping" through many endless and extremely TIME CONSUMING method of viewing online pages just to be able to see and find the many diverse music channel choices Shoutcast Radio has to offer. I know this "new page flipping" method is a way to display more advertisement banners per page, but please find another way to enhance your sales and revenue prospects without destroying the end-user experience and our ability to RAPIDLY and efficiently find the many diverse music genre channels available on Shoutcast.

maxshadow

1st October 2008, 14:08

Originally posted by Barista
Thanks for providing the end-user an option to return to the original "classic" view of Shoutcast Radio. The channel selection choices and description views are FAR BETTER in the original "classic" single-page view (even with the longer vertical scrolling).

I really didn't like the new beta version's "flipping" through many endless and extremely TIME CONSUMING method of viewing online pages just to be able to see and find the many diverse music channel choices Shoutcast Radio has to offer. I know this "new page flipping" method is a way to display more advertisement banners per page, but please find another way to enhance your sales and revenue prospects without destroying the end-user experience and our ability to RAPIDLY and efficiently find the many diverse music genre channels available on Shoutcast.

I vote to keep old style view as an ALWAYS available option.
I don't care what the beta offers now or in the future it will never have the same ease of use as old style.

Like I've said before I don't care about advertising, I just want Winamp to be EASY to use.