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17th December 2000, 08:33
I'm really fed up with all this fuss over the MAD plugin. I just tried it out, and compared to the latest (2.71d) default encoder, MAD sounds way too hollow and the treble sounds very... umm... "booming" and weird. And the treble sound is over-amplified (no matter how I change WA's EQ settings), so the bass isn't heard nearly as well.
In addition to this, the default encoder even sounds much much more like the original CDA version. And that if what shows that MAD is quite useless. Although it just might be that MAD can't play Metal as good as the Fraunhofer (isn't that the default one?).
Oh yeah, if the admins are fed up with all these MAD topics, go ahead and delete it. I just wanted to have my word on this one.
17th December 2000, 10:36
d00d, i just tried it out and it's SOOOO much better!
i know about bass, i have the marshall matters lp in 192kB/s mp3 here, and i know about treble, i got the best dutch trance on mp3
you think the treble is overdone in the MAD plugin because it's almost non-existed in the 2.71 in_mp3!!
i mean, if you switch from full to half 'quality' in the in_mp3, i don't even hear the frikkin difference, and no, my ears are still in one piece if you think that's the case
17th December 2000, 12:05
Well, then it has to be that MAD isn't suitable for Metal. Nor industrial. I don't listen mainstream, and sure as hell I can hear a difference between full & half. Perhaps it's a speaker/sound card specific thing.
17th December 2000, 12:47
MAD is good. I hear a noticeable difference on Wu Tang Clan's "Gravel Pit" and most other rap as well. Linkin Park's "one step closer" also sounds a lot better with MAD
17th December 2000, 14:51
I would try disabling the EQ completely. I find that I do not need to use it with the MAD plugin, yet I do with winamp's default.
Also, there could be problems with your mp3s. Crap goes in, crap goes out :D. Try higher quality ones.
17th December 2000, 15:38
Originally posted by whee
Crap goes in, crap goes out :D. Try higher quality ones.
words if wisdom :D
17th December 2000, 16:10
to much wisdom for me (or to much words...have to figure that out)
17th December 2000, 16:14
I just use winamp. no MAD just plain old winamp!
17th December 2000, 16:48
17th December 2000, 18:39
Firestarter: No need to attack someone for not liking MAD. You like MAD, he likes Fraunhofer. I mean, there is a choice in what you want to listen with, and what you don't, so mellow out "d00d."
Colonel: The Winamp EQ doesn't work (well) with the MAD decoder so you're better off disabling it. The quality could also be the kind of sound card and speakers you have, but hey, it's all up to you want to use, if you feel the Fraunhofer decoder's a lot better, more power to you.
17th December 2000, 19:07
Ok, here's the setup,
Winamp 2.71 using MAD 0.12.3b-pre3 plugin to decode.
Plays mp3's great, however, when doing anything cpu intensive (or hd intensive), the mp3 playback sounds like a record player with the rpms being slowed down.
I played with the various timing settings to no avail.
THe system is a fairly fast setup, k7/650, 256M ram, win2k, 10Krpm scsi hd's, etc.
17th December 2000, 19:21
what exactly does auto clipping attenuation do in the newest beta?
18th December 2000, 00:34
Ghost Rider: Wow, that IS a fast setup. My old 200MHz had that problem, and thought getting a fast processor (like my 933) would iron out those kind of problems, and I think it has. But with SCSI and a 650 chip, that's quite odd. I do think MAD is CPU intensive, but I don't know much about that so I'll keep from making a bigger idiot of myself :)
pbow9: I think someone said that it reduces the clipping in a song (not too familiar with what that means) but I just assume it's a good thing. I turned the auto-clipping attenuation and it cleans up little bits of static I hear in some of my music (that I used to get with previous MAD releases, and not with the default decoder). Now, I like it.
18th December 2000, 19:42
Just wondering where you got the MAD 0.12.3b-pre3 version from. I've been to the MAD website (http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg/mad-plugin/) but the latest version posted there is 0.12.2b.
18th December 2000, 20:02
I announce pre-release versions of the plug-in on the mad-user (http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg/mad-plugin/#lists) mailing list.
I would discourage anyone from using a pre-release version unless you are subscribed to the list; the meaning of various features are explained and discussed there, features are still in a state of flux, and bugs are ironed out on the list all before an official release is made.
18th December 2000, 20:23
I use MAD and listen to only industrial, metal, goth, and some trans mixes of them. I think that it has better sound quality overall and I have no problems with bass either. I use the SBLP Platinum 5.1 with either Beyerdynamix DT-831 headphones or Midiland 8200 5.1 speakers. I do notice that when burning a CD, if MAD is open, the buffer is sucked nearly to 0. With in_mp3.dll everything is fine with no noticeable slowdown. BTW: I am using the prerelease beta of MAD, the one you all mention. I think it is all up to the person, but I like it.
18th December 2000, 20:27
I've never used the Mad decoder... but I love the way that the Frampuffer decoder sounds. :) It's great for Electronica and Trance music. And.... I still think that Nitrane sounds just fine.
18th December 2000, 22:32
I do notice the difference with MAD but i don't like how it handles streams. I mainly use my Winamp to tune into SHOUTcast.
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