Napster down? Like I care!

[Canyon 315]

Napster's down, boo hoo. (I'm being saracstic.) Napster sucked even in the days of unmoderated music sharing. I went to Napster only after Scour, a file-sharing system, shut down due to legal nasties. Napster loved giving me "Search finished without any result" just because I was hunting anime songs that weren't from DBZ or Gundam Wing. Yeah, I got some good stuff: a CD full of Team Rocket (from Pokemon) songs, most of them in langauges other then English and Japanese. In other words: :-)
Then came the days of hell or the moderated days. Even when I hunted the usual songs you'd hear on the radio, I got squat. In the good days, my status read thousands, sometimes pushing over a million, users with millions GB's full of .mp3's. Come moderated: during peak times on peak days, users were lucky to squeak over a thousand, .mp3's not enough to crash my 20 GB hardrive.
I signed off back in early May; too pissed off to keep on trying for anything. I went to download.com and typed "file-sharing systems" in their search engine. I found Scour was back up and I found Kazaa, a file-sharing system offering more then just .mp3's. Other types of audio files, video, documents, .exe's. I got a full episode of Tenchi Muyo! and Daft Punk's One More Time music video.
And they thought shutting down Napster would stop everything. WRONG!! Maybe offering all .mp3's and having users pay $1-$5 per .mp3 downloaded like they were buying the single nice and legal in the stores it be OK. I've got three uncles subscribed to every file-sharing system they can find, and Napster shutting down doesn't faze them one bit. The only kind of CD's they're buying is CD-R's. Now yes I have a CD burner and yes I burned myself and friends CD's full of songs I got off of file-sharing systems, but if a actual CD has a bunch of songs I like I'm going to Record Town and buying it. I only burn a few songs from an artist instead of the whole CD. And if a "Now" series has a CD full of songs I like, I'm there buying it, not burning it. I'll gladly pay to download all kinds of .mp3 from Napster of any other file-sharing system; the government can't expect to stomp this out, working togther keeps us and the artists happy.

Canyon 315

[fish]

Uhhh... I liked napster when it wasn't filtered :o

And, If I were to pay the average of $1 - $5 to download a song, I'd have paid about US$3,032.50, not exactly fitting for my budget ;) :D


I agree with you about the CD part where you said that if there were a lot of songs on a CD that I like, I'd get it. My brother's a perfect example - He actually paid the $16 or something to buy Eiffel 65 and David Gray, which him and I agree (now) thay they really are bad CDs ;) :)

[zorpidus]

Originally posted by phisherman
I agree with you about the CD part where you said that if there were a lot of songs on a CD that I like, I'd get it. My brother's a perfect example - He actually paid the $16 or something to buy Eiffel 65 and David Gray, which him and I agree (now) thay they really are bad CDs ;) :)

Eiffel 65??? That's worst crap out there... ever!!! I feel sorry for your brother :)

[Starz]

Well, the only reason I don't care about Napster being down is because I "don't" have it. :D

[Khellendrose]

Napster was pretty good when it wasn't filtered, but now i just use morpheus, by the way which came first, kazaa or morpheus? Because they are exactly the same thing. Its not exactly like shutting down napster did anything except waste about 6 or 7 months in court. I can find alot more than mp3 files on morpheus, now i can find video, .exe, mp3 and text files on morpheus, which is better than just mp3's like on napster. But downloading many of the .exe and video files is pretty pointless unless u have broadband, whcich unfortunately i don't. And its not exactly like the RIAA is going to be able to ban all file sharing systems, that would be impossible, you've got IRC morpheus kazaa winmx and then there are web sites with mp3's, it's impossible for the RIAA to control file sharing systems, with the death of napster, about 4 other file sharing systems rose up. I dont have a CD burner, but i do have a MD player which is definitely not going to catch on to the general public like CD's have, but when theres a CD where I like everything thats on it, or a majority of the songs on it I like I'll buy it, i just gladly bought the Led Zeppelin BBC Sessions Cd (a must have for any zeppelin fan)and a couple of others which i did not mind paying for at all, but I'm not going to buy some CD that I'll only listen to a few tracks on the whole 15 dollar CD, that just makes no sense.

[Nofx Guy]

i think morpheus came first because it made its own prgrm to run it's own server. before it used to have its server on napster. and kazaa runs off the music city server so morpheus cam first..

i liked napster before it was filtered, you could find any songs you needed to.

what i do is download one or two songs from an artist and then if i like them i go out and buy the cd. but if i know the cd only has like one opr 2 songs i'll just burn them onto a compilation cd.

[transfrmr]

download winmx.

[Amplifier]

This gives me the impression that all the moderators here're lawbreakers *egg*,, naw not at all :)
Napster did one thing wrong,, which I don't care,, based their server in USA :)
Yes it's true that it is in conflict with your laws [exactly same as our (I'm Finnish dude) IT - laws]
In russia there can anyone disassemble, rebuild, steal copyrights aso... and it's all COVERED with law,, it clearly dictates that you are free to disassemble any copyrighted software as you please and you can distribute thru any known media, which includes Internet :)
But of course that is a tricky question how to get the servermachines there in one piece :D
Well, I don't actually give a f*ck about this conversation, just brought you this fact that there are laws to break, jump over and smash other international laws.
That concludes my "maybe stupid, maybe not" - lesson
Have fun sharing things as your mom's have teached you to.

-->Amplify This World With Stupiditiness or something<--

[eleet-2k2]

Guys, who cares about Napster anymore? Sure it was good for a while when it was unfiltered and unmoderated, but look what it brought. It brought out other copycats and programs. The best ones were Scour Exchange, Morpheus:) (best place for your mp3 needs), and CuteMX (still sux). The best part about this is that the RIAA can't shut em all down.:D :D

[mayorbill11]

Napster always sucked, big time. i havent used napster since 2B7, i got rid of it when the switched to all 10B3 and 2B7 stopped working, i was using imesh at the time which also sucks, and then i found winMX which is the coolest, i can get any song, and it has that dark "underground" feel that any file sharer should, and it doesnt have a stupid name either, like winamp, winMX is the Winamp of file sharers, and winamp which is the AMC of mp3 players, the cool, cheap, underdog. (incase you havent noticed, AMC is the coolest:D )

[mark e]

I prefer Audio Galaxy - It's the best... :p Morpheus sucks, Napster sucks, WinMX sucks... :p

[NeoRenegade]

Dude, that's funny.

AudioGalaxy sucks ass...

[mark e]

AG "sucks ass" - come on.
What's better than... :p - Napster (It's down, oops :D )

Ok ok, I agree with you about Ag - but it's the best - today ;)

[eleet-2k2]

Dude where have you been? AG always sucked llama ass, but Morpheus and Kazaa have sooo many users. I wish Scour was still up... :rolleyes:

[Jed]

Canyon 315 STFU!
Napster was awsome!! So STFU!!

[Mr. Bojanglez]

napster sucked,t was jsut the most popular

[BookofNod]

I'm a total newb ok; but I like napster.

Just look at it now.

It's become a glorified chat room.

And most of the peeps in the chat rooms don't even talk.

How's that for a chatroom?
:/

[jarsonic]

By the way -

KaZaA came before Morpheus.

Morpheus is basically KaZaA with the ability to trade mp3s over 128 kbps (the max bitrate for KaZaA is 128 kbps). Morpheus is basically based around the Music City network, which used Napigator and OpenNap before it found the Morpheus option more feasible.

- Jarsonic

[lambda]

i'm wondering why I never find audio files encoded at a higher rate than 128kb with morpheus...

[BookofNod]

What do you mean?

I'm new at this so be kind.
:)

I didn't know it could be higher?

[lambda]

usually I want my files to be at least 192kbps, that's why I use Morpheus just for downloading videos.

[BookofNod]

cool

[spunkbubble]

Audio Galaxy put spyware on your 'puter...That's what I heard, anyway.

[BookofNod]

What the hell is spyware man?

[BookofNod]

No better yet what it's complete file name I'll kill that sucker quick.............

[BookofNod]

Thankyou :)

I now have 2 programs to find detect and kill this SOB type stuff.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[BookofNod]

HOLY SHIETTTTTTTTTTTT

I've been fukin invaded here man

Wonder how long I've been getting tracked?

[BookofNod]

I'm totally lost. I have no idea what to do with all this shiet man.

Do I delete it or what?

Dazed and confused don't decribe me right now.

[BookofNod]

Thats the one that found them all and I've been reading the nitro on it; but to be perfectly honest? This newbie idiot can't figure the damned thing out.

[mr_coffee]

My feelings about Napster are kind of mixed. I didn't like it near the end, but when I say that, I mean to say I didn't like what had happened to it. Napster was a great idea that just went bad, but that wasn't Napster's fault necessarily.

Yes, Scour had always been my first pick, but I used to only have a mild "dislike" of their web-based search engine that would so often find so many down servers. But I did manage to make a pleasant collection in their early days with just that.

When that finally went down, I was forced into submitting to the Napster craze, but I didn't mind that at all. I got a lot more results than I used to in Scour, and I liked the added feature of knowing the bitrate before I started the download, and that's something I miss to this day, with every file sharing utility I've tried.

The one thing since that has gotten me fealing decent about file-sharing again is Gnutella. Yes, unsupported & cancelled it may be, but it's not one of those things where you have a server that some overpaid individual can whine about and get shut down. Heck, a list of IP addresses could keep the clients running forever. I've enjoyed this for a while, and maybe you will to:

htpp://www.gnutella.wego.com

I would recommend acquiring the Gnotella client as that's the one I've discovered I liked the most. Bearshare seemed pretty buggy, and LimeWire is pretty limiting (it only likes to connect to other LimeWire clients for some reason), but Gnotella has gotten pretty cool. If you run into problems with it on Windows XP, right-click on the shortcut, go to compatibility and tell it to "disable visual themes" and that should do the job (I had to do this). It doesn't tell you the bitrate ALWAYS, but it almost always lets you know once your download has started, which can be handy for a quick "cancel" if you need to. And that client comes with the last handy (similar to winamp) feature of being Skinable.

Your network administrator may hate you for it, but man it's great to be getting mp3s again.

[dystopian]

Grokster (http://www.grokster.com) is awesome for large downloads (say microsoft office 2000, or full episodes of cowboy bebop) but thats up to you, works on its own server, as well as kazaa's, and morpheus'. Another is Lime Wire (http://www.limewire.com) for more rare things (particularly anime related mp3s and videos) These are my favorite napster alternatives (that i have used for about 2 years now, lol. Too bad scour went down, that was my fav :\

[BookofNod]

Tear it down to build it up.

[jns]

dystopian, your sig is huuuuuge! :eek:

[dystopian]

some times soze does matter...at least when you want attention i suppose ;P

[qr7z]

KaZaA and Morpheus (http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-1896420-108-76172.html?bt.48575.185/) both use FastTrack (http://www.fasttrack.nu/), so they're both accessing the same network. The thing that got me to switch to Morpheus is that KaZaA won't run without its spyware. You can remove it with Ad-Aware (http://www.lavasoftusa.com/), but then you can't run KaZaA. It gives you a cryptic error message: "You have uninstalled a part of KaZaA that is needed to run. KaZaA will quit now so you can re-install it." Morpheus doesn't do that. I really don't see any advantage to using KaZaA.

I used to like Napster, but I had to stop using it when they started restricting what seemed like every common noun in their search engine. :rolleyes:

[BDA7DD]

The gNet's where it's at these days, guys. Come on, I thought everyone knew that by now. Pick a gNet client (http://www.gnutelliums.com/) and make with the downloads, dammit!

And to all the Morpheus/KaZaA fans, enjoy your fun while it lasts... the RIAA's pretty close to taking them down too. The gNet's revolutionary distributed structure is a proven, effective solution for public and private file transfering. Even big corporations are using gNet-style networks for private file transfers between offices and clients, and as part of their intranets and extranets.

However, if you've got a big hard drive with tons of files to share (5GB+ should do just fine), then Direct Connect (http://www.neo-modus.com/) would be a better solution for you. You'll find tons more files with a lot less freeloaders on this baby. Basically, people set up "hubs", which are kinda like miniature servers, and people connect to that hub to swap files and chat.

The hubs usually have a theme, such as music, animé, porn, etc. More often than not, though, they've got a prerequisites that you've gotta meet before you're allowed in the door. These prerequisites might be that you need to be sharing a certain amount of files (usually 5GB or more), or a certain amount of upload slots available, or a combination of the two. Just make sure you're willing to contribute with a good collection, since they don't take kindly to freeloaders.

[SaltySnail]

I think a rebuking is in order

How could you just diss napster like you all did (you know who you are)? They were the only ones who gave a damn and stood up for what they thought was right. For a small little company started by a 19 year old standing against a huge monopoly like the RIAA and lasting as long as they did is quite phenominal. I for one say to hell with the RIAA. I would love to see the artists take over, so when I buy music the money goes towards them and not the fat ass RIAA.

Blank CDs have dropped phenomally, but regular CDs? $17. For any kid working a minimum wage job, this costs him nearly 4 hours of his time (after taxes and everything). If he'd want to get a decent cd collection (100 cds), it would take him nearly 350 hours of his life to earn the money to earn that. Yeah, CDs too have over head but I think $17 is a little too much to ask. You just have to make it easier and cheaper for somebody to buy the CD than to hunt down all of the songs and burn them.

And as for Kazaa, Morpheus, Grokster, etc. The record company can't really shut down these companies the same way the did now, because the network they use is in fact peer to peer, just like Gnuttella (:eek: shocked?) This is one of the reasons they've been alive for so long, they aren't running searches or giving you links to actual files, they just mearly get you in the network by giving you other users IPs to connect to, the same way bearshare gets you in. It uses a trick called supernoding to speed up those searches, which is pretty cool. LimeWire has implemented this technology into their gnutella client, although it doesn't seem to work nearly as well as fastTrack (musicCity, kazaa, grokster...) yet. Go do some research, you'll piss your pants its so exciting. GIFT is even under development, and will be a completely free FASTTRACK client :p

So just remember, it does take the artists time to make records. I'm not saying that I support the RIAA, cause I don't, and I'm not preaching to you to all go out and buy crap loads of records, but just keep in mind that they did put lots of hard work into it.