Who do you hate more...Microsoft or the RIAA?

[Craig1982]

Look at this...man I dunno who I hate more, the RIAA or Microsoft :mad:

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This week's e-mail comes to us from Victor Wilson, who discovered something interesting about installing a new sound card on a machine running Windows Millennium:

"I thought I would contact you because of a minor problem I am having. I had been using a Creative SB16 for a few years and thought it sounded awesome. Well, I upgraded the OS to Millennium, and now the card isn't accepted. The tech at the local shop put in a PCI card that I think really sounds like S**T. I am interested in a current sound card that is two-channel stereo only and sounds like a million bucks. Any suggestions?? I usually only work with CD audio and MP3. I don't care about games.--Vic"

Answer: The reason Vic's new sound card sounds so bad is that Microsoft is designing its new operating systems to make certain sound cards sound awful. Any card that isn't compliant with Microsoft's SAP (Secure Audio Platform) technology has horrendous noise added to it. The SAP adds noise to your sound at the kernel level. SAP-compliant sound cards know to remove the distortion before playing the audio, while other cards play the distorted version. The reason for this frustrating state of affairs is that Microsoft wishes to prevent us all from using our computers the way we want to. That way, the company can become the music industry's choice for securing their content online. Your hardware's capabilities are (or will be) dictated by Microsoft, in order to extend the Big 5 record companies' monopoly to the Web. I don't know about you, but this news has me thinking seriously about switching to Linux.

(Taken from CNET Music Centre Newsletter).

[Bilbo Baggins]

The RIAA easily.

Although I am against corportatism, and massive companies like MS, i think in the case of computing an exception can be made, because MS has totally standardized the world of Computers for the majority of peoeple. They could not have done this any other way other than the way that they did.

The RIAA on the otherhand just stinks.

[Nofx Guy]

i dont hate microsoft, yeah i think there kinda buttish for takin over the computer software market but what other companies were to compete with them?

riaa is just a bunch of lamer fags

[NeoRenegade]

I'd have to say that the RIAA is way more offensive to me.

Microsoft is a total monopoly, but at least they acknowldge it.

The RIAA however, is a bunch of greedy fucking pigs, and they insist that they operate for the greater good of not only the artists but the consumers as well, when of course they don't.

[darkraider]

I am admittedly an ex-napster junkie. But the reality is that musicians and record companies depend on their album sales like any other business does on its primary product. It's a very odd paradox to download ripped music instead of buying the album and take away a part of your favorite artists income.

On the other hand, MicroSoft seems content to release mediocre software and use their strangle-hold on the market. But it is true that they have succeeded in bringing some kind of standards into the software developement world. It's sorta been a case of "absolute power corrupts absolutely", no worse than another company would have done in their but still corrupt deal.

[NeoRenegade]

I'm not part of the paradox. Any music that I download and like I end up buying within the week.

[darkraider]

riaa is just a bunch of lamer fags
The RIAA however, is a bunch of greedy fucking pigs, and they insist that they operate for the greater good of not only the artists but the consumers as well, when of course they don't.
What's your beef with the RIAA? Yes they were brought the case against Napster, it's their business to protect the livelihood of of the recording industry. If you are going to buy the music you like, what grudge do you hold against the RIAA for bringing down a servie you don't need?

[BullGawD]

My beef with the RIAA is that they don't truly have the interest of the musician at heart. They, collectively, like the music production industry, and business in general are all, individually, preoccupied with making as much money as possible for themselves, either directly or inderectly, regardless of their moral obligation toward others.

'Right dipshit', you say, 'thats business. Deal with it.'

Well, correct you are, but if you'll reread, you'll note the keyword 'truly'; meaning that they proclaim concern for the rights of the artists as one of their central motivations. If there is a hell, and hypocricy is a sin, a great many people in the music industry are going to burn for a very looong time.

I could make the same argument about 'user friendly' Microsoft, so I pretty much despise them equally - not because of their actions, but because of their actions weighted against their words.

[NeoRenegade]

That's what I was trying to say BullGawD. Gracias.

[FAH-K MPDIZEAZE]

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HEY DARKRAIDER.......
FUK WHAT YOU SAID!! YOU MUST REALLY HAVE A SECRET AFFINITY FOR THE RIAA!!! IN CASE YOU DIDNT KNOW, THE RIAA AND FRAUENHOFER ARE "JOINT COMMSARIES" BECAUSE SOME MUSIC ARTISTS ACTUALLY LIKE NAPSTER!! IF YOU PRODUCE MUSIC THAT IS IN MP3 YOU HAVE TO PAY ROYALTIES FOR SOME LOSSY ENCODING PIECE OF SHIT THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY A UNIVERSITY IN GERMANY. THE RIAA IS LIKE THE GOVERNMENT. THEY FUCK THE ENTIRE WORLD OVER AND BLAME THEM FOR CRYING!!!

P.S DIPSHIT..... THE RIAA COLLECTS ROYALTIES ALSO, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY ARE EQUALLY AS BAD!!! TAKE THAT!!
BullGawD, YOU TRULY SEE WHAT THE RIAA REALLY IS. DOWN WITH THE GREEDY PIGS!

[FAH-K MPDIZEAZE]

no i dont mean the american government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DJ ROACH]

Originally posted by BullGawD
If there is a hell, and hypocricy is a sin, a great many people in the music industry are going to burn for a very looong time.

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your sharp tounge had me rolling on the floor :D

i hate the riaa, even if napster never came about.
i hated the riaa before and i still hate them now.

the only way i could even remotely like them is if they dressed in monkey suites had a shit fight with each other, took a pay cut a dollar below min. wage and moved to south central L.A. with their heads shaved, that way they could get punished for the nazis liars they realy are. :mad:

[Aeroe]

This makes me wanna love the RIAA even more

http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47552,00.html


:p

[DJ ROACH]

:rolleyes: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

OMFG, WTF I WANA....Im so....fuc.....k..i..ng.....grrrrrrrrrrrr....
....[studer]...I....so...pissed..at....

oh fuck it i give up screw the riaa....i would support any person who feels the need to shoot every last rotten bastard panty wasted faggot ass brown hole breath cum drinking looser mother fucker that has anything to do with any of those riaa screw balls.

wouldnt what they are trying to do be the same as what cyber terrorist do?

[Equ1n0x]

Micro$oft just use their stranglehold on the market share to manipulate. I think it is just wrong!

http://www.ntsucks.com/

:D

[FAH-K MPDIZEAZE]

WHAT HAPPENED?? CAT GOT YOUR TOUNGUE

[dogerize]

definetely the riaa microsoft just got in at the right place at the right time and made the p.c and software more standardized can you say that for a mac i dont think so well anyway the riaa thinks they can stop copying they want to do this and do that well in got news for u RIAA (excuse the shouting just is intended for the RIAA)

(THINK YOU WILL STOP USE YOU NO GOOD BASTARDS WELL YOU GOT ANOTHER THING COMING BUTTHOLES COPY PROTECTION HUH LET ME GET MY HANDS ON IT I WILL CRACK IT ALSO TRYING TO GET THE ISPS TO TARGET USERS DUMBA@#'S THAT WONT WORK BETTER NOT THINK FOR A MINUTE THAT THEY WILL NOT FIGHT BACK CAUSE THEY WILL TO DO THAT WOULD SERIUSLY VIOLATE PRIVACY AND MOST ISP'S AND DEFINETELY ONE OF ANY SIZE WONT STAND FOR THAT)

again sorry for shouting that message above is for the RIAA

[fwgx]

I don't hate either. For a few reasons. I like Windows, it may not be as powerful or l33+ as Linux but it runs well for me. I don't need the ultimate in stability, I can take a few restarts a day. So they bought out a few companies on their way and insisted people use their OS on new PC's. I like IE. I personally can't see a better opperating system to bundle with a new home family computer than windows. I sure as heck wouldn't make a pc with Linux on for my sister or mum. Heck they struggle with the notions of directories!

The RIAA I have no beef with really, I think their position is wrong, but it's natural to be protective when something starts to change the way you look at yourself. Businesses and industries don't like that. I don't mind tho because I know they'll eventually lose or they'll win and I'll go for cracked versions or whatever. Essentially it will always be possible to get around it.

That's my 2cents.:)

[Craig1982]

I agree with u Phily although both of them really piss me off, but out of the two, MicroWank do the most...oh btw...nice fiver lol bet there's something illegal in having that too lol :cool:

[Xerxes]

The RIAA is fighting for its existence, and part of me is on their side. I know the evil that transpires in record companies fleecing artists and all that, but ... thats the nature of the beast. A talented artist at least has a choice to be on a smaller label. And larger labels compete for artists. "Selling your soul" to a record company is a conscious decision made by an artist. It doesn't happen until they sign a contract which they fully read and acknowledge. (Well, I don't know if Kid Rock can read... oh well i hate him anyhow)

This practice is only somewhat evil. At least some good musicians still produce music and people can enjoy it and pick the artists they like.

Now on the other hand...

Microsoft knowingly uses its monopoly on the OS to leverage itself into other areas- forcing the world to use its word processor, web browser, spreadsheet creator, media player, etc etc etc. And now, with XP, they are placing product plugs for companies that "buy an advertising spot" or other microsoft branches (Expedia.com for example) This is incredibly stifling to competition, and microsoft has the whole IT industry in a chokehold until Windows' source code is released to paying customers.

Microsoft is truly evil. Just wait- next they will insist on
occupying the Sudetenland... (History Joke ;) )

And oh yeah, DAMN, the site of Steve Ballmer gives me nightmares! :p He's a terrifying monster of a man!

[qr7z]

Originally posted by Craig1982

Your hardware's capabilities are (or will be) dictated by Microsoft, in order to extend the Big 5 record companies' monopoly to the Web. I don't know about you, but this news has me thinking seriously about switching to Linux.



I agree. The purpose of an operating system is to help you run your PC, not limit what you can do with it with abusive, tyrannical technologies like SAP. They have no right to do that, but what's there to stop them? Well I'm also getting Linux :). I'm pretty fed up with both companies. The riaa has always been against every new technology. If they had their way, we wouldn't have even had VCR's.

Hey, here's another idea. Pay just the artists and not the label:
http://www.fairtunes.com/about/description.jsp

[Digipak]

Originally posted by FAH-K MPDIZEAZE
WHAT HAPPENED?? CAT GOT YOUR TOUNGUE

get a new keyboard, they aren't expensive. you dont want to be stuck in all caps for the rest of your computing days now do you?

[WeblionX]

Windows sucks. Microsoft, well, they're just retarded. The RIAA? Well, if music artists really cannot survive with mp3s around, then they really need to find a new job. That almost sums up my opinion.

Go :winamp:

[Bilbo Baggins]

Windows does not suck. It is the hardware causing conflicts within the software that sucks:rolleyes:

Still, the RIAA is evil. Plain and utterly evil. Evil with a capital capitalist...

[Montana]

i don't have a problem with the RIAA.
they tell me what's good music
when they slap on a parental advisory sticker (see below)
http://www.riaa.org/parentfront.gif
they tell me that that the record is good.

however i do hate microsoft,
but i still use MSIE cuz NS6 sucks my dick
and those muthafuckers that say that linux is good
think again muthafucka
(rember i don't mean anything bad)

[DJ ANTarctic]

Originally posted by Montana38
NS6 sucks my dick
and you like that? ooh yuk :hang:
Originally posted by Digipak
get a new keyboard, they aren't expensive.
five new-zealand dollars, to be exact :D
Originally posted by qr7z
The riaa has always been against every new technology. If they had their way, we wouldn't have even had VCR's.
too true. u know the more i think about the riaa, the more they remind me of the nazis. s**t nigga.

i'm all agains the riaa. micrsoft and their winblows os rule.

[BDA7DD]

Heheh, I'd normally go off on a rant here, but over the years I've grown to realize that this kind of crap is just typical behavior from Microsoft.

If any of you are considering switching to Linux, do it. I did the switchover a few months ago, and I've never regretted it once. Start off with Mandrake Linux (http://www.linux-mandrake.com/) or Red Hat Linux (http://www.redhat.com/) if you're a newbie, then move onto Slackware Linux (http://www.slackware.org/) or Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) once you've got the hang of things.

Most of all, don't forget to RTFM (http://www.linuxnewbie.org/) :D

http://www.whirlnet.demon.co.uk/linux/tux.gif

[Kenel]

But i have to say i hate AOL more than Microsoft.



Linux sux........................

[josti]

Well, they both go for money only... and imho, thats of course what a company does. but that doesnt make it a good thing... so: they suck both!

Microsoft: making massive amounts of money (isnt it??? they are bad & expensive, using most of their money to buy the better other company's around and advertising...) and using their power to surpress all originallity and new ideas - unless they can copy it, or use it to make more money themselves. they are just walking behind on every front... (gates said - 640 k should be enough for anyone, and: internet wont become useful ever...). they dominate the computerworld, and, imho, that has more bad than possitive implications. But internet is allowing new ideas to come up, so they will once loose...

RIAA: well, mostly the same - making alot of money (or better: allowing the big music company's to) and, like MS, restricting originallity and new ideas. Unless its usefull... for them! But, like microsoft, I believe, they will prove to be useless within a few years. MS will maybe stay a bit longer, but RIAA - the big music company's are not needed anymore. with a simple homestudio you can create music cheap, and not that much less in quallity than in a $500/h studio... so they are only needed for distribution. got the point??? internet is replacing them!!! so they will fight back until they go under... which will happen anyway, sooner or later... :weird:

J

[DJ ANTarctic]

hopefully sooner

[josti]

well, it can take some time... a homestudio isnt free yet :) but I know some ppl who are buildin' one. When recording costs are decreasing, there are already some bands which produced and recorded their music themselves. Some musicians got their own studio - believe me, recordings will, within years, become a marketing tool instead of a product, and therefore be cheap or even free. musicians will earn their money by playing live. (in fact, they already do - the amount of money they get from 1 cd is soo damn low...)

not a bad thing, imho - downloading music will be legal - and you will be able to download from the artists site. CD's will be sold still, i suppose, althoug the price will decrease. You pay for support, artwork and the 'feeling' like I already do, btw! Maybe quallity can be a selling issue, SACD cd's - well, I dont think we'll be downloading these (4 gig/cd) so they can be sold.

(SACD = Super Audio CD, 96KHZ/24Bit standard - extreme HiFi quality)

[aaron595]

I really didn't like Microsoft, and I had no idea who the heck RIAA was until just a few minutes ago....

But..........I will say, any company that thinks they have the right to hack into someone's computers is doing something completely ILLEGAL. So now the RIAA wants to break the law too? Boy, doing anything to get what you want, aren't you?

I realize how sick the business industry is. You, whoever you are, the CEO of the RIAA or chief executive, or whoever you are, or however many of you there might be.......I realize exactly how SICK you all must be.

You wanna be communist? Get out of the United States, it doesn't belong here.

You have no right to hack into our personal property. Believe it or not, the music you distribute is NOT your personal property. You guys are nothing but a bunch of greedy, money-loving theives.

Go ahead, steal our files. I'll never buy another music CD (that will support you) again.

[DJ ANTarctic]

they think they are ABOVE the law. they have another think coming.

[aaron595]

Obviouslyyyyyyy......LOL

They ain't gonna win this fight, and they know it.

They're going down.....down......into a burnin' ring of fire, they went down down down, and the flames went higher, and it burned burned burned, the ring of fire.....the ring of fire...

Oops, got off on a tangent....:D

[Craig1982]

"Napster argue that they don't store the files, and aren't responsible for whether users have legal or illegal copies of music. Its like holding them responsible for copyright infringement for manufacturing a photocopier."

I never thought of it like that...and no they won't win this fight, online music, file sharing, it's all here to stay no matter what they f**king try to do :D


http://www.netfreedom.org/news.asp?item=113

[DJ ROACH]

Originally posted by aaron595
Obviouslyyyyyyy......LOL

They ain't gonna win this fight, and they know it.

They're going down.....down......into a burnin' ring of fire, they went down down down, and the flames went higher, and it burned burned burned, the ring of fire.....the ring of fire...

Oops, got off on a tangent....:D

I love cash!

[Merlin]

I have a CrystalFusion sound card - everything sounds great except that when I stop playing a track, this loud buzz is heard from my hi-fi (to which my pc is connected). Is that because of this MS-thing or what?

[Craig1982]

I used to get that on my old PC linked to my hi-fi, although I wouldn't say it was loud loud, but it was like a humming noise... whenever I opened my CD ROM drawer though it would stop lol was weird :weird:

I just put it down to a shiet soundcard (it was a Yamaha one, 'nuff said) 'cuz I don't get it anymore through the same hi-fi but with a Soundblaster Live! Platinum 5.1 :D Maybe the cables your using to connect it to your hi-fi are dodgie? :confused:

[DJ ANTarctic]

tis more likely a "shiet" cd rom (no offence) because sometimes sounds leak through while it is running - though the cd-audio cable - interference or some shit from the cd-rom. i get it all the time. just mute the CD-Audio control. that should fix it. when u want to play a cd, unmute it.

[typos edited]

[Merlin]

Originally posted by DJ ANTarctic
tis more likely a "shiet" cd rom (no offence) because sometimes sounds leak through while it is running

It's not the cd-rom (as I'm not using this setup to play Audio CD's), more likely the sound card causing the hum, as posted by craig.

[DJ ROACH]

i think you get more or have more problems with cables, connections and cd roms then you do with sound cards.
go to your propeties and mute everything besides the input you use.
ive gotten hums buzzes and other stuff before from all my inputs being open and at full volume. also make sure your computer volume isnt way down and your stereo way up.

i hate when forums get of subject.;)

[DJ ANTarctic]

yea me too. it starts off being "Who do you hate more...Microsoft or the RIAA?" and ends up being "What do you hate more...a humming Hi-Fi or a shiet soundcard?"

[Craig1982]

Yea... kind of driffted off... :confused:

[gearond]

The RIAA was, was found to be, was taken to court by the FBI for, and still is, tied to the Mafia. Do some math here:

for 1 million CD's
Cost of CD to produce $0.20
A Million each to band members $4.00
(probably excessive)
A Million to procuce album $1.00
(excessive)
Advertising $500,000 $0.50
(excessive)
Transportation $0.05
Walmart's profit $1.00
(probably excessive)
Warehouse/Distributors $0.25
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Total should be $7.00

Whoa! That's about the price of an LP before CD's imagine that!
They've been fucking us with the 'Better Quality, the price will
come down when CD's catch on' for 5-8 years now. And they wonder why all the MPEG ripping got started. Methinks the RIAA, producers, and the Mafia a rolling in money.