Walt Disney (add this to the sport thing)

[Forevever]

The following is correspondence between myself and "Disney" regarding my Cinderella skin. The skin will be deleted within 24 hours, or when Disney decides to contact AoL and have them remove it. Whichever comes first.

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Subj: Fwd: FW: Winamp.com Skin using CINDERELLA
Date: 9/5/2001 6:40:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Forevever
To: Mary001.F@disney.com


As a Disney fan, it saddens me to see such immediate disregard for Fan Art.
I understand completely regarding copywrite laws, however, I can not understand their placement in this issue. The reason being simply, I have done it for no other reason than to pay tribute, to a beautiful faerie tale, which I have loved all of my life. I have accepted no form of payment for the hours I spent creating this Skin, it has been offered only to decorate a persons Desktop and to promote your website/product.

I will remove the skin promptly, and I will pass your email along to the Winamp Forums. I will not republish this skin. I will, however, retain the right to create an alternate version of the same skin. Excluding all Disney images and all references to Disney itself, I do not believe that you particularly own the "fable" of the girl who was abused as such, and found her way by luck into fortune and fame.

I think that its a shame really. The free publicity which I gave Cinderella should more than make up for my choice in creating it in the first place. But since you feel the need to force legalities on me, I hereby request that Disney.com create their own sets of winamp skins, with their own images, by their own artists, so that the skinning community can enjoy them.

But I guess your corporation wouldn't bother with such a trivial thing. After all, no one will pay you for them.

Fare well.
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Forwarded Message:


Subj: FW: Winamp.com Skin using CINDERELLA
Date: 9/5/2001 5:33:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: Mary001.F@disney.com (F, Mary)
To: Forevever@aol.com

Dear Forevever:

Thank you for your e-mail about the winamp skin you have created using
Disney's CINDERELLA properties. You may not realize and so I write to let
you know that your use of our intellectual property in this way violates
federal and state laws regarding copyrights, trademarks and unfair business
practises. Please do not use our properties on any skins you intend to
share with or sell to others.

I would appreciate it if you would remove the CINDERELLA skin from the
Winamp.com website and confirm that you will not post it again for others to
download.

Again I thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing from you about
taking the CINDERELLA skin down.

Very truly yours,
**************************************
Mary F
Executive Counsel
The Walt Disney Company
500 South Buena Vista Street
Burbank, California 91521-0658
Phone: (818)
Fax: (818)
Email: Mary.F@disney.com

Original Message Follows:
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My name is Forever and I create winamp skins. Recently I was asked to do a
cartoon skin and I chose Cinderella. I personally think I did a wonderful
job
on it, and I wanted to show it to the people who created her in the first
place.
You can find the skin posted here:
http://www.winamp.com/components/detail.jhtml?componentId=74778
I gave Walt Disney full credit for the actual images used to create this
skin.
If you have any questions, concerns, or general feedback, I would appreciate
a
response.
Thank you :)

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From: Forevever@aol.com
To: Mail:General question regarding Disney.com
Postmark: Mon Aug 27 14:23:59 EDT 2001
Browser Type: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; AOL 6.0; Windows 98;
Win 9x
4.90)

[Lucid DM]

Aww. That blowshttp://www.mear.fsnet.co.uk/smilies/sad.gif. But they do have a point. Even though I don't see any real reason for them to want it down. They do have a legal reason.
They don't own Cindarella, the story. But they do own those pictures.
Ah well. Maybe you can do some other subject matter.http://www.mear.fsnet.co.uk/smilies/smile.gif

[chiquita chad]

sorry to hear that... kinda makes u wish u hadnt emailed them

[ampburner]

uhm...this may sound stupid but....why the hell did you ask Disney for permission?

[Forevever]

Amp, I asked myself the same thing. Here's the answer. I wanted the opportunity to remove it myself, by my own hand, before anyone else did. Or at least have notice that it was going to be taken down. Like the sport thing, I understand the legalities of it all, it just hurts my feelings, that as a fan, a paying fan, a thousands of dollars paying fan for that matter, they would just disregard it. It's not like I made money or anything.

Anywayz, the skin is there for about 24 hours. Not that I'm saying anyone should download it or anything... but if they want it... what can I do?? I'm too busy to do it right now :)
Hell it took her a week to answer me. I should wait a week. But I won't.

Lucid? That particular skin will not die in and of itself. The Disney logo, and the Disney images will be removed. ButI'm sure if I look hard enough, I can find some unknown artist willing to hook me up with their version of Cinderella. Or hell, I might just create my own. Use images of me and my friends or something :)

[Assja]

A shame!:mad:

[ampburner]

That doesn't make sense to me. If you hadn't emailed them, they would probably not have taken notice of the fact the skin exists...so it wouldn't have been deleted.

My best guess: I really don't think AOL is going to force NS to remove all copyrighted content from the DB. Just the sports-related skins...because they(AOL) prolly had a "take-it-down-or-I'll-sue-you" type of request from a specific team/company/league/organisation/whatever. Either that or they'll take the entire DB down. But like I said, I highly doubt all skins containig copyrighted material will be individually hunted down and killed

Oh well... :) happy thoughts

[Forevever]

no worries Assja, I have no control over the other 3852 people who already have the skin :D

[cyana]

I'm just wondering if Disney ever paid tribute to the inventors of the Cinderella fable - Hans and Jacob Grimm :mad:

[Forevever]

Amp? I'm disgustingly moral. What can I say? Yeah they may never have known, but maybe in my own ego I was hoping they'd say "Hey thats awesome! Thank you." or some other such disregarding type of nicety like "yeah whatever, get lost, we got no time for you, we have a huge corporation to run over here that doesn't even know or care that you exist".
In my defense, I really had more faith in Disney Corporation.

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by cyana
I'm just wondering if Disney ever paid tribute to the inventors of the Cinderella fable - Hans and Jacob Grimm :mad:

I'm sure they did, wasn't it in the opening shot of the film?, been a while

[Forevever]

makes you wonder though... who would sue them if they didn't? who owns brothers grimm?

[ampburner]

Originally posted by Forevever
In my defense, I really had more faith in Disney Corporation.
Ouch! :) heh
next time, after you've made a skin.... if you're gonna do something like this... say "hey, I'm Forever a freelance skin designer. Would you be interested in hiring me?" If the answer's yes (prolly not, but you never know :D ), sell it to them for big $$$. If not, just publish it here :D:D:D

[cyana]

did not look into the video now ;) , however on the box there is no reference to the authors

[ampburner]

Originally posted by Forevever
makes you wonder though... who would sue them if they didn't? who owns brothers grimm?

I don't know who owns them, but I do know this: each of the Grimm brothers 00wnz Disney! :)

[cyana]

Originally posted by Forevever
makes you wonder though... who would sue them if they didn't? who owns brothers grimm?

what answer would you prefer ? In terms of law, the successors of the Grimm's brothers or their editor, publisher, whatever. In my personal view, they belong to all of us ... their intention was not $$$ but to teach the children

[Bop]

that really sucks :( sorry man, great skin none-the-less

EVERYONE DOWNLOAD IT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!!!!

--> http://www.winamp.com/components/detail.jhtml?componentId=74778

[Wildrose-Wally]

And don't forget to rate it. ;)

Common guys, 5 stars before it has to go. We can do it.:D :cool: :p

[Forevever]

Thank you all so much for your support. I see the downloads going up, the stars going up, and it makes me want to cry. :)

This, my dear friends, is truly skin love :) :)

[cyana]

done :)

[Wildrose-Wally]

Originally posted by Forevever
no worries Assja, I have no control over the other 3852 people who already have the skin :D

You're up 200 DLs since you posted this.:D

[Forevever]

LOL 216 (but who's counting) http://members.aol.com/forevever/winamp/smiley.gif!

[Duk]

:( Gonna go get 'er now before she poofs. Wife loves Cinderella. Ho hum ... dammit. Sorry ~ever. :(

IMHO, yer best skin to date, chief. :)

[Forevever]

Attached you will find my Cinderella MikroAmp. It accidently on purpose found its way into my computer and this forum :D

[Forevever]

Here is the Mbinner file. Just add it to your zip. No images required. The only one I used is a blue star to trail the cursor and its linked directly to my ftp space (because of it having transparencies, requiring a gif format).

[e-blackadder]

:mad: Sorry Forever, that really sucks.:mad: It makes me grateful for the good luck I've had with my potential copyright issues, like Joe Rogan and Bloom County. Seems like the only good thing that's gonna come out of the copyright mess is that it will really end up pushing the quality art skins to the front, and weed out alot of the no talent skinner skins. Thank god you can still do stuff like "Obsidian" without people jumping on you.

[Duk]

Thank you! :D

That finishes 'er off nicely ... and I am *SURE* my wife (and certainly I) will really appreciate it. :) A sad fate ... dammit. :(

Now whatever AOL person goes hacking thru the db looking for wretched Diz stuff, please don't delete my poor sweet Penelope. She is (1) from Hanna Barbara and (2) drawn from my hand and *NOT* from the original artists ... true fan art. Doity bastoids. :(

[Forevever]

Duk, dont' worry too much about it. I don't think AoL/NS will bother deleting Disney skins until they actually hear from Disney.

However, on my word, at exactly 5:30pm today, I clicked the delete button.

I am no longer posting, or circulating the skin known as Walt Disney's Cinderella.

However, I can not be held accountable for the 6,632 people who have it :)

Thats 2,780 downloads since yesterday. You are all awesome.

[ElChevelle]

I can already envision Skinster based on Napster but trading in skin:p

[Duk]

Let's hope, chev. I'm ready to take my gig underground. :D

[Wildrose-Wally]

That's a lot of skin, wonder how it got so high on the Top Staff Rated category. :o ;)

[Mr. Bojanglez]

lol, disney cries over that? I just got something in my inbox telling how the 7 dwarfs molested snow white or something....

I'm sure someone out there has their owncinderella version i say just go with that..


i forgot what i was gonna say.....

[Forevever]

Originally posted by wildrose-wally
That's a lot of skin, wonder how it got so high on the Top Staff Rated category. :o ;)

Believe me, it didn't go unnoticed. I even saved copies of the html page. I'm not deleting it from my hard drive either.

[Nini]

that sucks!!! :mad: :( They can delete the whole db and close the site if they continue like this. I'm sure they're right about the copyright issue but I really don't understand why a skin is a problem... If you'd have a homepage with disney art you'll have to take it down too I suppose.







And my matrix skin would be a copyright violation too then, using the matrix symbols without WB permission... Hope no one will notice :rolleyes:






that sucks.






and I didn't see the skin *sniff* :(

[Mea]

Disney has been notoriously fan un-friendly since the early 90's. You would think they'd enjoy the free publicity, but no, perish the thought that anyone outside of Disney do anything that uses their characters. :rolleyes:

Heck, even Lucas has lightened up about the fan sites and whatnot, and B5 even approved "Babylon Park".

But no, this is Disney. 'nuf said.

I remember that skin; while I'm not a huge Cinderella fan, Ithought it was a very well made skin. I'm sorry to see it go.

-Mea

[ElChevelle]

I've hated Disney ever since they made Bambi a spokesdeer against hunting!
The "Zippi-dee-doo-dah" guy rocked though:D

[Mea]

The "Zippi-dee-doo-dah" guy rocked though

That would be "Song of the South", one of the few Disney movies that Disney will not release to video or DVD. They're ashamed of it because it's not "politically correct" anymore. :mad:

Okay, I'll stop my Disney rant now.

-Mea