Probe beta1

[kinwashi]

Probe is here (but not finished)

http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/client/Probe-install.exe

we know there are issues, but they will be taken care of, this is just something to play around with till the final version is here.

enjoy!

/Kinwashi & Lucas

[Lucas]

here's a basic todo list:

- make a thinger
- add transparency for components borders
- winshade needs more love

feel free to make suggestions.

-L

[RhinoTrip]

Looks good guys, but what happened to the blue color on the main screen? It's all gray now. Playlist / media library alpha channel problems (top left corner not showing transparency). Thinger and EQ not working. "Old Script" error message. Have the scripts been updated for l8r? - RT

[kinwashi]

Originally posted by RhinoTrip
Looks good guys, but what happened to the blue color on the main screen? It's all gray now. Playlist / media library alpha channel problems (top left corner not showing transparency). Thinger and EQ not working. "Old Script" error message. Have the scripts been updated for l8r? - RT

it's for the wa3 beta release, get the beta here:

http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/client/wa3install_beta1.exe

[kinwashi]

oh, and one more thing, check out the "color control" component, set group to "backgrounds" and drag the sliders if the blue color doesn't fit your desktop ;)

[Disabled]

looks wonderful guys !

[YtseJam]

This is one finnne skin. :) Sexy.

[molotov]

i CANNOT for the life of me get the outer parts of the PL / ML / etc to match my desktop. if you don't know what i mean i can post a screenshot of the problem.

[YtseJam]

Do post...
And, err, kin'... Any ETA for the borders transparency? :)

[kinwashi]

Originally posted by molotov
i CANNOT for the life of me get the outer parts of the PL / ML / etc to match my desktop. if you don't know what i mean i can post a screenshot of the problem.

Originally posted by Luc L
- add transparency for components borders

[molotov]

is there any way for the average user to change color groups? i'd like to try adding it to auriga 3...


btw, any chances for an auriga 3 version for the beta? it's seriously the most functional skin out, and it looks amazing. keep up the good work. :D

[kinwashi]

Originally posted by molotov
is there any way for the average user to change color groups? i'd like to try adding it to auriga 3...

btw, any chances for an auriga 3 version for the beta? it's seriously the most functional skin out, and it looks amazing. keep up the good work. :D

yeh, it will be updated, I just don't know when, I'm busy right now :D and it will have gamma groups.

[phizzure]

Talk about heaven. WA3 Beta... Working Playlist, and the best skin I've ever seen for any player all finished (released for beta) in one day.

[phizzure]

Something I forgot to mention:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA This is sweet

[molotov]

not sure if this is just me or what, but the text in playlist windows, shoutcast lists, etc - in the bottom bit, near sort buttons - is all bolloxed up.

if it's on your list to fix, great. if it's just me, that's not cool, but it's not really important either. ;)

[kinwashi]

some files must have been mixed up with an older version of probe, I'll take care of that, thanks for letting me know.

[Francis]

Originally posted by kinwashi

/Kinwashi & Lucas

And thanks to you guys for such a skin!

Francis.

[Patch]

Amazing work!! Keep it up Kinwashi & Lucas :D

Definately finish up this one first, but don't forget about Auriga3 :)

[lordkhan]

kinwashi, i know you've been having trouble getting the colours in the thinger to match the rest of the probe skin (i'm assuming that's why you've left it out of the skin so far) but it would be neat to see it there and i think the perfect place to access it from would be that ominous space not really being used for anything in the drawer containing the crossfade, repeat, and shuffle functions. i would love to see that space filled with a button for the thinger.. as for now i am truly in awe with your skin.. im really looking forward to it's completion!

[nIRV]

very very very nice skin kinwashi & lucas, thanks for all the time you devoted to this.

[RhinoTrip]

Aha, colors work in beta 1. No script source files, eh? - RT

[mark e]

... for the skin. It's super... ;)

[Lucas]

Originally posted by RhinoTrip
Aha, colors work in beta 1. No script source files, eh? - RT
There's a lot of commented code 'cause some features for the winshade were not released with this version, so that's why the source is not included. I'll probably bundle the source with final or later. You still deserve credits for the "original" code, your name is listed in our futur readme :)

-L

[molotov]

first off, i feel like a complete idiot. i JUST NOW found the EQ. it's brilliantly placed, and the animation is great, but it's a LITTLE FREAKIN HARD TO FIND, guys. ;) same goes for the other slide-out component. only other gripe is that the EQ is a little small to be functional as well.

[YtseJam]

Now see, if you were around here when the skin just started to be worked on, at around alpha 5 I believe, you'd know about these two sliders thignies. :) So it's your fault! SHAME ON YOU! HA! err.

[molotov]

welll ... the 666 version that i used didn't have them. as a matter of fact... the eq and pl were still those used on auriga v3, so i never assumed that the location had been moved. as i said, it's not immediately intuitive.

by the way, this is the older version:

http://gideon.guidestone.com/misc/ono.not.again.gif

[Lucas]

Originally posted by molotov
i never assumed that the location had been moved. as i said, it's not immediately intuitive.

In my opinion it is. Added a note to the readme so it should compensate.

[...Edited...]
Okay, removed the readme note, instead i made the drawers open first time you load the skin and remembers the drawers state (i.e. if a drawer is closed when you quit it won't be opened next time you load the skin, etc.)

-L

[idvah]

kinwashi, as always your skins are amazing, I'm looking forward to the complete version.

[molotov]

thanks, lucas, that's a good fix. i look forward to future versions.


just an fyi tho, the EQ isn't really practical in such a small size. (at least at 1600x1200) Perhaps allow for an external EQ as well that's a little more visible?

[lordkhan]

Originally posted by molotov
just an fyi tho, the EQ isn't really practical in such a small size. (at least at 1600x1200) Perhaps allow for an external EQ as well that's a little more visible?

i dunno if 1600x1200 is a very practical resolution at all (although i find myself wishing a had a monitor that supported it).. might i suggest that you simply scale wa3 up a bit? i know that at 1024x768 i get a somewhat distorted image when i scale it to any fractional value (so i never do it) but if you were to scale it to 200% at 1600x1200 you would get a practical sized interface (that that you would see at 800x600) with a clean image. then if it gets in your way there is always the inconspicuous 'winshade' mode.. :D

[kinwashi]

I use 1600x1200 myself and has no problem with the EQ, so it'll probably stay the way it is.

[Patch]

Originally posted by molotov
just an fyi tho, the EQ isn't really practical in such a small size. (at least at 1600x1200) Perhaps allow for an external EQ as well that's a little more visible?

Try right click -> Scale -> 400% Perhaps you can work on your own skin if this one doesn't suit you.

@ kinwashi - I've loved your design on every skin you've created -- don't let any external opinions influence your vision :)

[Lucas]

a 318kb install...

http://lucas.blorp.com/probe-b1r2.exe

second release, it's smaller and has improved drawers stuff.

peace.
-L

[Ice]

i think the skin doesn't have the same appeal with the drawers out as when they're in... why not do the windows thing (in XP when you install new software) and make the tab blink the first time its installed, up until winamp is closed, or they open the drawer.

[Lucas]

Originally posted by Ice
(in XP when you install new software) and make the tab blink the first time its installed
Holy probe, did you say "XP"?

-L

[NZRob]

I was just wondering where the cool logo went that was in the slider with the x fade etc, i think that your signature needs to be on this great peice of work!!!

also an idea for the thinger
why dont you have another slider thing come out, like have the tab with the ml and pl buttons swing out as if it was hinged around the volume button. just an idea i wouldnt want to try and control the genius that created this so far!!!!

[VooDoo`]

great skin, realy
but one bug:
if I start wa3 then is the volume butten always after a wa3 start at 0, but I can hear the sound, that means that only the button is of 0 but the sound is still so where I close wa3

ans a question.
where is your logo, at the srceenshot from molotov is your older version bt with your logo, is this a link to the thinger?

[Lucas]

The volume thing has been fixed already, will be in the next release. There's no thinger yet, it's coming later.

-L

[danbee]

i've been following the development of this skin since alpha 5 and it just gets better and better! (s)kinwashi you truly rock! just one gripe though... didn't the volume control have a slight glow on it at one point that got brighter as you turned the volume up?

one last thing... where can i download auriga v3?

[molotov]

hm. i've got a suggestion for the gamma groups: why not add the text and such to the groups? it looks really odd when you've got, say, a yellow-orange screen background ... the letters turn green.

also, why not make a group for the 'metal' part of the skin, so it's possible to change the look without changing the general color scheme...

[kinwashi]

Originally posted by molotov
hm. i've got a suggestion for the gamma groups: why not add the text and such to the groups? it looks really odd when you've got, say, a yellow-orange screen background ... the letters turn green.

also, why not make a group for the 'metal' part of the skin, so it's possible to change the look without changing the general color scheme...

text and color values doesn't support gamma groups yet, when they do, I'll add them.

[dragonstorm]

Just a thought... I'm not sure if this is possible or not.

We all know the problem of anti-alising the edges of an irregularly-shaped object on background colours of varying shades. For example, it looks to me like Probe was designed on a black or dark-coloured background, judging by the jagged appearance the edges have when Winamp is placed over a white background.

Since Winamp3 uses PNG for graphics files, and PNG supports alpha transparency, can this be used to eliminate the "jaggies" problem no matter what colour background is used?

I don't have a copy of Photoshop on this computer to check, but I believe it has no trouble anti-aliasing with transparency, at least in theory. You just have to draw on top of a transparent canvas instead of a filled one. I'm not sure what happens when you try to export it to PNG.

[Naamloos]

That doesnt work too....
It gives you nast black pixels on win95,98, ME
but on 2000 and XP it's possible

[Lucas]

Good news kids, components should have transparency with the next Winamp release.

-L

[YtseJam]

So no more blue border with the PL/ML?

[mark e]

Originally posted by Luc L
Good news kids, components should have transparency with the next Winamp release.

-L

Wooohooo, Alaska forever... :p :p :p

[Naamloos]

Originally posted by Luc L
Good news kids, components should have transparency with the next Winamp release.

-L

Urgh Kids?
Well damn sure this is good news!

[Lucas]

Originally posted by nant`
So no more blue border with the PL/ML?

sweet isn't it?

-L

[YtseJam]

You betcha... :)

[lordkhan]

does that mean the PL and ML are free form as well and if so are you then thinking of reshaping the whole of them both to fit better into the theme of probe? that would be super wick(ed)!

¬Kev

[Lucas]

here's a screenshot...

http://www.revadesigns.net/probe/ss/probe-1017.png

[YtseJam]

Luc, a question...

How did you move the section with all the play-lists the left? Amd how did you add the coloumns? Album, title, track, etc`...(??)

Thanks. :) And now going to class. Damn College. I wanna sleep! err.

[YtseJam]

Oh cool... Didn't think of that, thanks sawg. :)

<5 minutes later> Hmm... No good. I must be incompetent... How can I put the `loaded playlist` coloumn on the left, and I can't seem to be able to drag or somethin' the other coloumns... Humpf.
</5 minutes later>

[lordkhan]

you guys are silly! thats the ML youre talking about... its like that all the time.. you cant move the 'Loaded Playlists' section to the left of the PL (at least not yet)! :p Good implementation idea for a future release though..

[dragonstorm]

As sort of a follow-up to my previous post, it may be interesting to note that Windows XP icons are in fact anti-aliased in the way I suggested. (So it works... but as mentioned, only in XP & 2000.)

That's from the following article on how to create icons in the Windows XP style, which may be of interest to whoever creates the Winamp icons:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/winxpicons.asp

[Lucas]

dragonstorm,

I sent the suggestion to the Winamp team for background edges anti-aliasing support. Let's hope that they'll introduce it soon.

For the icons you should send the url to steve.

-L

[Plague]

Luc L,

Will the next version of winamp support semi-transparent beckgrounds in the components?
Or is it only like the probe blue fields?
What I mean is: Will the background behind the song list in the playlist and the media library have support for transparency?
Also, the background behind the thinger icons...

You know what I mean?

[molotov]

what happened to this version of the winshade?

http://revadesigns.net/probe/ss/winshade-0927.png

it seems a little more functional than the current one, and damn, it's a little sexier too.

[Lucas]

What happened to what?

-L

[molotov]

is there a reason you deleted that? it's pretty obvious if you look at the site (attatched) ...

[Lucas]

Not sure yet how we'll implement volume and seek stuff, more on that later. Those were my controls, but I think that kinwashi wants to make his own.

More on that later.

-L

[Lucas]

hi,

A new Probe is up on revadesigns for beta 2.

http://www.revadesigns.net/probe/

btw steve, I am NOT cool, ok?

cheers,
-L

[mark e]

Yahooo!!! New version... Thanx :p

:cool:

[VooDoo`]

woohoo :eek:
it's transparent... cool :cool: , no more problem with shadows ;), but my computer works so slow with your transparent :(, any function to disable?

but it's really cool... for fast computers:D

[thepyr0x]

Hey what's up with this? In the main area of the skin, where the transparency is, when I move my mouse over that I get a green trail. Is that a WA3 problem or a Probe problem?

[Lucas]

Originally posted by thepyr0x
In the main area of the skin, where the transparency is, when I move my mouse over that I get a green trail. Is that a WA3 problem or a Probe problem?
What OS? Could you provide a screenshot?

-L

[pyu]

erm, its a question i had itched to ask, but is there anyway to change the font used in the ML and playlist? :D

[molotov]

In the 'winshade' mode for the main window, the LCD doesn't show up. Instead, you can see through it to the desktop or whatever happens to be below, see attatched... What's the beef?

[VooDoo`]

win 98 doesn't support the transparency,
probe neet an option to disabled it.
for slow computers without win98,too

[Lucas]

Originally posted by pyu
erm, its a question i had itched to ask, but is there anyway to change the font used in the ML and playlist? :D
Interesting question and I don't know the answer.

Originally posted by molotov
In the 'winshade' mode for the main window, the LCD doesn't show up. Instead, you can see through it to the desktop or whatever happens to be below, see attatched... What's the beef?
That's the winshade, what about the main ui/LCD??

Originally posted by VOODOOpower
win 98 doesn't support the transparency,
probe neet an option to disabled it.
for slow computers without win98,too
I don't have win98 and the major problem is behind the wasabi engine, so it's not really our fault. But I'll think about that "disabling things" suggestion.

General call: anyone with windows ME? I'd like to know how it reacts to probeb2 so far.

-L

[Gonzotek]

On 98 the main window in normal mode is not invisible (as opposed to the hole in the shade window already reported). There are a lot of jagged, stray pixels as well. On XP, however, Probe is simply beautiful! Thank you.

When I get home today I'll try it out on my ME system. I have access to XP Home Ed., 98, 98SE, ME, 2000 (but not for a few days or weeks), and 95.

-=Gonzotek=-

[Naamloos]

CHECK DEVIANTART!!! you've made the daily skin! congratulations!

[molotov]

On Win98SE, the main window works fine. It's just the winshade that has holes in it.

HOWEVER.

In Win2k, there's a definite problem when I open the playlist, media library, or any other component window: the titlebar section produces a completely transparent band across the main window. It's kinda hard to explain, so see attatched.

[Lucas]

Originally posted by molotov
In Win2k, there's a definite problem when I open the playlist, media library, or any other component window: the titlebar section produces a completely transparent band across the main window. It's kinda hard to explain, so see attatched.
I know about the winshade problem. As for the other, you might try to update your graphic card drivers under win2k.

-L

[Lucas]

Ok, winshade fixed. Works under Windows 95, so it should work on 98+ too :) Download the install again.

Cheers,
-L

[YtseJam]

I dunno about you guys, but the download URL won't work for me...

[lordkhan]

this is just an assumption but i would think that because of the layout of the main Probe UI that the majority of ppl will be keeping it on the right side of their screen. this is totally fine...'cept for when we switch to winshade mode (and especially when we switch back to normal mode).. note that when making the transition, the skin holds onto the top left corner of the other mode. from winshade to normal (depending on how far to the right you have wa3) half the skin gets sent off the screen. just might want to switch that to the top right corner to avoid this problem is all im saying.

oh and if anyone using probe keeps it on the left of the screen feel free to speak up now! :)

[bluekeydesign]

wrong assumption.
the majority of my skins are i keep it to the left.
Jon

[Lucas]

I could probably make an option for it, like minimize to:

Upper right
Upper left
Lower right
Lower left

I'll take a note, but don't expect to see it anytime soon :)

-L

[YtseJam]

Luc, mind updating Probe's site please? Plus updating the download URL there for Probe there... 'cause not only does it Not working, it's also the wrong version...

Thanks...

[Lucas]

http://www.revadesigns.net/probe/

It's been updated already. Where are you downloading Probe from?

-L

[YtseJam]

http://lucas.blorp.com/probe-b1r2.exe

That's the address at your site.

[Lucas]

Well, buddy, it's time for a page refesh or a browser cache cleanup 'cause that's definitely not what I get here.

Cheers,
-L

[YtseJam]

Well, 'buddy' (;)), I just loaded Probe's homepage using Opera and IE, I refreshed and cleaned the chache and I still get the same download address...

[CraigF]

not here. you are probably using a lame isp complete with hidden web proxy. try clicking refresh while holding down shift or ctrl. that will force your isp to reload the new version of the page and drop its stored version.

[YtseJam]

Hmm, you're right. ctrl-refresh did the trick... Thanks CraigF

Little question... Think there's any way to make it look better on Win98? :\

[cmisker]

Hey,

First, I really like the skin, but I seem to have a little problem with it.

I am running Winamp 3, beta 2 and also the newest version of the Probe skin. Now, when I am in the mode that it just shows the little control thingie (winshade?), there seems to be a huge memory leak.

My computer was really, really slow and I opened Win XP's Taskmanager and it showed that studio.exe was taking up 90% of my system resources!!! When I changed to another skin, this was fixed immeadeatly! It dropped to about 25%.

Like I said, I'm running Win XP. P3-500, so I should be able to run Winamp 3 without too many problems.

BTW I've had Winamp 3 with Probe on my old ME system too, but I never had any problems with it. I don't know what's up with it and if you need some more information about it, just let me know!

Good luck finding out what it is...

[molotov]

Hmm, I've got Win2k SP2 running on a 1.4 athlon / 512 ddr, and be it winshade or main mode it takes about 5MB of memory and from 2% to 4% CPU usage.


I too use probe on the right, and I agree that it would be very handy to pick which way the winshade mode was to expand.

[cmisker]

Hey!

Well, actually, now, I've look more into the memory leaking thing and my CPU usuage is also at 100% when I'm in normal mode. So, normal and winshade mode is both at 100%. Weird? When I minimize, it's gone. Right away. When I switch to another skin, (normal mode or winshade mode) it's gone too...

Mmm, let me try deleting the studio.xnf file...

Alright. I did it. Default skin, CPU usuage for Studio.exe = between 3 and 5%. I am switching to Probe... And there it is... studio.exe CPU usuage is about between 58 and 65%... Switching to winshade mode: CPU usuage between 54 and 58%... Switching to another skin... ETA, CPU usuage: between 3 and 4%.. well, I'd say there's something wrong with Probe...
Oh yeah, the memory usuage is about the same (around 5 MB) all the time.

What can this be?!?!?

[kinwashi]

there's a lot of alpha blending going on, maybe that's what eating up all the resources.

[Lucas]

Turn the vis off, it should help. Probe is using a crazy bunch of layers, alpha blending and techniques that makes it a real cpu hog.

Cheers,
-L

[YtseJam]

Hi again...

Is there any way to make Probe look on Win98 boxens like it used to be when Wa3 was still in alpha stage? I mean, it looks way worse in its borders now... I'm guessing it got something to do with blending? Transparency? Or something like this...

Help? Explaination...?

[kinwashi]

there will be an option to turn of the alpha blending in the skin eventually.

[YtseJam]

That's great... :)

Though I'm pretty sure it won't solve the skin's problem when on top of a white background... I guess you can't put a black line(or any other fitting colour) around its boarders, right?

[Lucas]

...

ok, so there are a few things that you should know about Probe beta 2:

1. RTFM, winamp 3 recommends you to do a clean install, do it, it'll save you from asking why Probe looks so weird. You should at least delete studio.xnf.
2. If the winshade has transparent areas, download the file again, the first release had a problem and it's been fixed.
3. Right now, windows 95, 98 and ME (probably NT4, too) aren't supported. We're aware that the borders are ugly, that's because of the alpha blending. But you're lucky it still works. We'll make something better, but not for beta 2 because we simply can't.
4. This version of Probe is a real CPU hog, try to turn the vis off if it is a problem. Here it makes the CPU usage drop from 99% to about 15%.
5. I consider Probe as a wasabi technology demo. It's a freaking good looking tech demo isn't it? We will eventually make it better, but there are some things that we can't control at the moment, nothing's perfect.

Cheers,
-L

[lordkhan]

Originally posted by Lucas
I could probably make an option for it, like minimize to:

Upper right
Upper left
Lower right
Lower left
-L

that'd be more than great! but take your time..

oh and whats the story on the probe thinger? i can see kinwashi has left a nice space for it in the drawer w/ repeat,crossfade, and random btns.. (take your time on that one too ;) ). we're all (those of us without 95/98 anyways..hehe..) very happy with probe. thanks a bunch guys!

[SNYder]

kinwashi. the only reason I don't run your skin as my default skin is because of the seek. 2 problems...

1. It starts off so small that it is nearly impossible to hit the seek bar even close the beginning of it without zooming to 400%! And even there it's almost impossible!

2. The seek bar ends almost directly on the equalizer tab that if I try to click on the seek bar anywhere near the end of the song, the freakin eq tab slides out. It's unbelievably annoying. Right now you have it starting almost directly across from the center of the scrolling title.

Can't you make the start of the seek bar start exactly across from the center (horizontaly) of the time (and the same size as it is across from it is now. I can atleast see it ok with zooming in) , and make the seeker end before it hits the shadow of the eq tab?

I can't be the only one who's brought this up. If I am, I am surprised, because it seems painfully obvious to me.

Other then the seeker, I think this is hands down the best skin for Winamp3.

[kinwashi]

snyder: I've started sketching on a new position bar a couple of times now, the reason why it's so close to the drawer etc, is because probe didn't have the drawers in the first version. maybe it'll change if I can get some spare time on my hands, I'm swamped with work right now.

[SNYder]

check out the attachment to see exactly the points I think you should make the begining and end of the seek.

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[edit]

Originally posted by kinwashi
snyder: I've started sketching on a new position bar a couple of times now, the reason why it's so close to the drawer etc, is because probe didn't have the drawers in the first version. maybe it'll change if I can get some spare time on my hands, I'm swamped with work right now. Yeah. I know that's why it goes under the tab. Well... It's nice to know you recognized this before I had to say anything.

Take all the time you need :) Don't want to rush ya.

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[theancient]

Some sort of strange bug...

Bug 1:

in beta 2, probe isn't remembering the colour controls for the "backgrounds" group properly. If I set it to one of the presets (reb, blue, etc), it will be remembered no trouble. But if I customize it, it will simply reset to the last preset I had selected next time I start Winamp.

The "general" group doesn't do this. It remembers my selections as beta 1 did.

Bug 2:

The scale on the seek bar is incorrect. (it was broken in beta 1, it's worse now.) Sometimes the entire visible area of the bar will represent the first 20% (or some random percentage) of the song. The bar will therefore reach the end of the scale well before the end of the song, and it becomes impossible to seek anywhere in the song past the first 20%. Sometimes, the opposite happens -- the first [some percentage] of the bar will represent the entire song, and clicking anywhere past that will immediately seek to the end of the song. It's also usually difficult to seek to a location near the beginning of the file when this happens. (Maybe the entire scale is shifted by a minute or two?)

[thepyr0x]

Originally posted by Lucas

What OS? Could you provide a screenshot?

-L
Here's a screenshot, it doesnt look like much but it's not easy getting a good shot of these trail thingshttp://www.geocities.com/thebest5/probe.bmp. I'm on Windows XP Pro here. Pentium 2 350mhz with 196mb ram. I havent had any slowdowns or anything with it, I just wanna know what that green thing is. Could it be that I am using alpha blended cursors??

[mark e]

Can't see the pic! :mad:

[VooDoo`]

--found the memory leak bug--

test with default skin
----------------------
whithout visualisazion: 1% - 8% cpu usage
with spektrum analyzer: 2% - 8% ~

test with probe skin (normal mode)
----------------------------------
whithout visualisazion: 12% - 25% cpu usage
with spektrum analyzer: 70% - 98% ~

system:
win xp; pII 400; 256 MB RAM

it is less the transparency, it's the vis.
there must be a bug...

but that is at all non-defaultskins and the test with the vis. at probe is very bad 98%

...but's a nice skin!
and so, I hope that I can help u with these post ;)

[cmisker]

It has to be Probe... I don't have any problem with other skins... there has to be a leak somewhere in it. How many more people have this problem???

[molotov]

This may also be a bug; when you open the PL via the button twice in a row it jumps from one location to another. Actually, I just did this now and it goes to four different locations. It's not docked to an edge, but after tests that makes no difference either.

[lordkhan]

i get those problems too.. they're both known issues.

[thepyr0x]

Oops, I guess that didnt work too well did it. Here, just click this link (http://www.geocities.com/thebest5) and click the link on that page, a direct link doesnt want to work. You can kind-of see the green in the middle there.

[Lucas]

Originally posted by VOODOOpower
--found the memory leak bug--

Good for you, now read the manual:

"4. This version of Probe is a real CPU hog, try to turn the vis off if it is a problem. Here it makes the CPU usage drop from 99% to about 15%."

-L

[Lucas]

Originally posted by thepyr0x

Here's a screenshot, it doesnt look like much but it's not easy getting a good shot of these trail things
Clearly looks like a problem with your hardware and/or wasabi.

-L

[VooDoo`]

Originally posted by Lucas


Good for you, now read the manual:

"4. This version of Probe is a real CPU hog, try to turn the vis off if it is a problem. Here it makes the CPU usage drop from 99% to about 15%."

-L

maaaa... sorry:mad: :(

[cmisker]

Originally posted by Lucas


Good for you, now read the manual:

"4. This version of Probe is a real CPU hog, try to turn the vis off if it is a problem. Here it makes the CPU usage drop from 99% to about 15%."

-L

Mmm, I have to say, that sounded kinda harsh... All we are trying to do, is help you perfecting your skin... And you come back kinda harsh.

I mean, well, your skin seems to be the only one having problems (so far, from what I see)... Shouldn't you think about optimizing your script somehow, so it becomes less CPU consuming. I don't think there'll be many people wanting to use your skin all the time, if it takes up 90% of the CPU usuage...

I like the skin though... :D

[Lucas]

This is a *friendly* post, just to explain some stuff, no harsh
---------------------------------------------------------------

Okay, first of all I wrote a FAQ for you to know that I know about most of the problems already. Second, the skins that I'm building up are the only ones to have problems and for a simple reason: I'm trying to push the wasabi engine to it's limits. As I said and I'll repeat, it's a technology demo. Third, I can assure you that my script has totally nothing to do with CPU usage, the major part of it is using a seek lib from Francis or things to define the volume control and I know that it's not what makes Probe such a cpu hog.

In fact, we both know where the CPU leak is. Now if you want to fix it this is really easy. Remove all the sysregion layers from probe and don't stretch the vis and you'll get a hella fast skin. It's really heavy on the layer side, but that's how the skin was meant to be, to look like. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Probe, in my humble opinion, is the most advanced skin available yet. Probe will probably get better with Winamp 3 updates, because you also need to keep in mind that it's still a beta.

So, if you find a way to make Probe look like and act like it does right now without being such a CPU hog, go ahead and don't be afraid to enlighten me. It's just that I don't like to waste my time writing things that people don't read to make me waste my time again reading something that I know already that makes me write something again to reply and I end up wasting my time typing rather than working on something useful.

That's kinwashi's sketch that you can see live on your screen and I'm happy that he made it, 'cause it's awesome.

And you know what? We did it all for free and we're even updating it.

Cheers,
-L

[HermesC]

Probe is really awesome! It's by far the coolest aviable skin for WA3(well, epsilux isn't aviable, yet :))
I don't have this ressource problems anyway. WA3 consumes less than 10% CPU time (Athlon 1.2 GHz) most of the time with probe fullscale and less than 1% in the probe winshade mode.
Well, 1.2 GHz aren't mainstream by now, but hey, this is how the industry works: software isn't developped for 3 years old hardware!
Do you go complain to the Max Paine programers because the game doesn't look kick ass on a 500MHz system? No? So please, don't do it here, either...

Thank you, Lucas and kinwashi, for your really awesome work!!

[cmisker]

Lucas, thanks. :-) You were right, ofcourse, I was kinda, how would you call it... selfish, maybe? I dunno. But well, I didn't really meant it that way. I just was trying to help (in my own weird little way :P) to improve the skin.

I really really like it anyway! :-) It's great, I'm really glad you are really trying to show us all what Wasabi can do. Thanks man. Thanks to (S)Kinwashi too for sketching the skin. You people are great.

I hope you can take my comments as positive, constructive comments. That's how it was meant to be, at least. :-)

HermesC, sorry, but I just happen to know that there might be a lot of 1.2 Ghz or even more computers out there, but the majority is still around 700mhz. :P And Max Payne looked fine on my computer.

[Lucas]

Originally posted by cmisker
I hope you can take my comments as positive, constructive comments. That's how it was meant to be, at least. :-)
Peace.

HermesC, sorry, but I just happen to know that there might be a lot of 1.2 Ghz or even more computers out there, but the majority is still around 700mhz. :P And Max Payne looked fine on my computer.
And all I have is a shameful 450Mhz, *sigh*.

Cheers,
-L

[Naamloos]

/me is still drooling with a 300 mhz, but the skin runs fine for me :)

[s0be]

I agree with one of the previous posters. If you deactivate the vis and move your mouse over the area where the vis is it leaves green tails that then go away. It might be related to the usage of anti-aliasing on systems without hardware accelerated AA.

anyways. Great skin.

/*
S0Be
*/

[molotov]

No green trails on Win2k with the latest Detonator XP.

[scratch]

Originally posted by Lucas


Good for you, now read the manual:

"4. This version of Probe is a real CPU hog, try to turn the vis off if it is a problem. Here it makes the CPU usage drop from 99% to about 15%."

-L

Hogging CPU usage is a very different thing from leaking memory.

[Lucas]

I know, he made a mistake in his topic. So you could read his post again and you'll figure that he was speaking of CPU usage, not memory leak.

Cheers,
-L

[edsykes]

Hey,

I'm running on NT4 SP6, winamp beta 2 - 2 things.

1. beta 1 of probe: the slidy eq etc doesn't work. Click on them nothing happens.
2. beta 2 of probe: is crashing when i try and load the skin. the error it is giving is :

controldrawer: studio.exe - apllication error
the instruction at "0xXXXXXXX" referenced memory at "0xXXXXXXX". The memory could not be "read".

screenshot of error attached....

just thought you'd like to know...

[ertmann|CPH]

allthough it might not fix this problem - it usualy solves alot to delete studio.xnf - try it and come back if it doesnt work.

did you do a clean install btw? that could also be the prob.

[edsykes]

cheers - that's fixed it. i looked in that xnf file when i first installed the beta2 (clean install) - all it has is the options for winamp. strange that it can mess with skins. hohum.

thanks again :)

I'm gonna have to get me in on some of this skinning action...

[seanr]

No matter what I try, I cannot for the life of me get the darn drawers to work. I've got the latest versions of both Probe and WA3. Is this a known bug in WA, or is it a problem with Probe? If the latter, is there any way that I can fix it on my end? I just want the darned thing to work, and really don't want to wait around for the next release if I can at all help it. ;)

Thanks.

[seanr]

OK, completely removed Probe and reinstalled it and now it works. That was _wierd_. I think you may need to make sure that all of the sites dristributing probe have the corect version. Also, instaling the latest build from your site apparently didn't overwrite the old build the way it should, so I wound up with two copies of it installed.

[seanr]

One problem I do have now, though is that the skins mask appears to be off a little, bumped up and to the left a pixel or two. Now there's extra gunk in the upper left and its cut off on the bottom and right. I played with the color controls and noticed the problem afterwards, so I have no idea if it was like that before I messed with the colors.

[molotov]

try deleting studio.xnf.

[ertmann|CPH]

Originally posted by molotov
try deleting studio.xnf.

ohhhh yeah - we should have this in the FAQ - before you post
any topic on problems - DELETE THE FUCKING STUDIO.XNF!!! :D :D

[Patch]

For those who already haven't or don't check the general forums, please show your appriciation for Kinwashi and vote (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=413562#post413562) for him as member of the year.

[ertmann|CPH]

cool, im on the list???? didnt get any votes though - i didnt even vote for myself - (S)Kinwashi got my vote :)

[kinwashi]

wow, I didn't even know I was on the list, thanks for voting :D

[theancient]

Originally posted by Lucas
Clearly looks like a problem with your hardware and/or wasabi.
Reproduced green trails thing. I can get red and yellow trails out of it too. Windows XP final, Voodoo3, standard driver. Didn't notice it until just recently. It happens when you move the mouse over the alpha-blended parts of the window. The trail disappears quickly. The effect is also seen when I activate a window behind Winamp -- there will be a quick green artifact where the alpha-blended area intersects the border of the window behind. (not the title bar)

The colour of the trails will vary depending on the alpha settings. If I make Probe bright yellow, I'll get trails that are mostly blue, with partially neon pink trails on the title band.

Screen shot attached.

[JamesPero]

Originally posted by theancient

Reproduced green trails thing. I can get red and yellow trails out of it too. Windows XP final, Voodoo3, standard driver. Didn't notice it until just recently. It happens when you move the mouse over the alpha-blended parts of the window. The trail disappears quickly. The effect is also seen when I activate a window behind Winamp -- there will be a quick green artifact where the alpha-blended area intersects the border of the window behind. (not the title bar)

The colour of the trails will vary depending on the alpha settings. If I make Probe bright yellow, I'll get trails that are mostly blue, with partially neon pink trails on the title band.

Screen shot attached.

Voodoo3 is NOT entirely compatable with XP

[theancient]

Originally posted by JamesPero
Voodoo3 is NOT entirely compatable with XP

The default driver didn't have OpenGL support or hardware-accelerated alpha blending -- but it's still on the hardware compatibility list. The Windows 2000 driver still works (as most 2000 drivers should), and Microsoft actually just released a new driver for it on Windows Update.

What hardware was the first guy with this problem using?

[ertmann|CPH]

how about an update for rc2, apparently this was the last change of
the skinning engine

[kinwashi]

Originally posted by ertmann|CPH
how about an update for rc2, apparently this was the last change of
the skinning engine

It's coming, I just need to finish some other projects first =)

[ertmann|CPH]

no worries.... as long as it's comming

[thepyr0x]

no! we want it nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!
haha :p jk kinwashi
take your time

[Lucas]

We work too hard, but Probe also needs more love, heh.

-L

[ertmann|CPH]

http://www.winamp.com/news.jhtml;$sessionid$GFXZ1VPCA31NK5YAAAARCZY?articleid=9404

Give us our probe! :)

[Tomato Face]

----:igor:

..............................
..............................
.......Probing now.......
..............................
..............................

[Tomato Face]

I had to do some searching for this, but I knew it was posted.

Origionaly posted by kinwashi
probe will be updated for wa3 final, and yes I have some other new stuff too

Here's (http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/client/winamp3_0-full.exe) your final, now wheres my Probe?? :D I really hope the other new stuff includes Auriga v3, pwease?? Ohh and RevaDesigns.net (http://www.revadesigns.net) is looking rather spiffy now adays.

[whatboy]

dude for real is Probe going to be release anytime soon or is the project over. Cause winamp3 have been done a long time ago

[tucker]

I have to add my name to the list of people wanting to see this skin get done!!!

Go probe!

[whatboy]

can you belive this am still waiting

[SNYder]

:cry: I want probe AND Auriga v3! :cry: Auriga v3 is still so awsome!

[deepu_s]

ahhh....this skin brings me back to memory lane

[thepyr0x]

I want my probe
I want my auriga
I want it all!!!

[Tomato Face]

Sigh, nothing here I see. You got my hopes up when I saw this thread on the main page. I do believe that this skin and Auriga v3 is the only chance of getting me back from Foobar, do it now Kin!

Is Kinwashi dead?

[eh?one]

yes, it seems kinwashi has forgotten probe and aurigav3

[Adil]

uh!wan

[Adil]

great idea to bring back this thread :up:

[whatboy]

Originally posted by Adil
great idea to bring back this thread :up:

do I sense some sarcasum

[dlinkwit27]

Im not readin thru pages and pages of stuff. Who made/coded probe, and have they bothered to post in teh past week?

[whatboy]

past week lol you mean past months if not years

it was kinwashi & lucas

[dlinkwit27]

damn, this isn't gonna be updates then /unsubscribing

[mark e]

bump!
will it be updated? What about AurigaV3?
:(:(

[kiilu]

where is kinwashi??

[amano]

Hmm, can anyone else finish pobe? the graphics are done, I think, it would have to be recoded to match winamp3/5's current scripting code.

Has anyone Maki knowledge and wants to contact kinwashi? Or - if he isn't reachable - just code it and see what happens? or a probe upgrade patch, that dosn't violate any copyrights?


eg. load probe from the internet, apply winamp 5 update patch, double click skin...

[Gonzotek]

Originally posted by amano
Hmm, can anyone else finish pobe? the graphics are done, I think, it would have to be recoded to match winamp3/5's current scripting code.

Has anyone Maki knowledge and wants to contact kinwashi? Or - if he isn't reachable - just code it and see what happens? or a probe upgrade patch, that dosn't violate any copyrights?


eg. load probe from the internet, apply winamp 5 update patch, double click skin... I'd recommend not doing anything with it unless kinwashi gives his blessing. I'm not sure that a program made to modify it "on the fly" would be any more kosher than distibuting it modified...but out of respect for kinwashi I wouldn't try to find out, either ;)

-=Gonzotek=-

[amano]

To contact kinwashi was my first suggestion. The other suggestions were for the case that that fails.

It might be that the project is already abandoned, so this skin might never see the light of earth.

a update pack would only be scriptwise and would neither show disrespect towards kinwashi (why? he is credited in his skin, you still would have to download probe as now - and he still offers it!)nor would it harm his copyright on the skin (IMHO).

Other opinions?

[Plague]

I'm with Gonzotek on this one..
Without kinwashi's blessing, I wouldn't touch it, it wouldn't be right.

-Plague

[Mr Jones]

And we certainly wouldn't touch any third party modified skin or patch here at winamp.com, it'd be as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.

-The end-

[kinwashi]

I'll update probe when wa5 comes out probably ;)

/Kinwashi

[iPlayTheSpoons]

i offer my services if needed

[amano]

Great kinwashi. Nice to hear from you after such a long time. Please finish this "classic" masterpiece.

*amano shameful looking*

[mark e]

well. final is almost here... few days left...

[kiilu]

how come you haven't update you site for so long kinwashi??

[amano]

I have been waiting for this skin since the winamp3 beta days. It would be soo great if the track change notification could be added. To give a real Winamp 5 feel to it.

[Plague]

The track change notification is not a Winamp 5 feature, it's been possible to do all along, it's just that noone has done it in a skin before..

-Plague

[Gonzotek]

Originally posted by Plague
The track change notification is not a Winamp 5 feature, it's been possible to do all along, it's just that noone has done it in a skin before..

-Plague
:D songinfo popup addon for wa3(only) (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=842625#post842625). But the wa5 one is really much nicer, Francis coded it from scratch.

[Plague]

yea I know about the addon(s), but I specifically said noone has done it in a "skin" before.. :)

Anyhow, I'm sure the Wa5 one is alot nicer, but it's still been possible all the time.

-Plague

[Gonzotek]

I know you know, ;) :D. I thought amano might want to try out one of the wa3-compatible scripts, and other scripters could maybe use a reference link, since it's in wa3 development, not skins/scripting.

-=Gonzotek=-

[Plague]

isn't confusion the funniest thing ever? :D
err, maybe not.. :)

anyway, yea good call about the link, I didn't remember it beeing in wa3 development so I s'ppose I more or less counted on people (skinners) knowing about them..

-Plague

[kiilu]

any news?

[amano]

hmm. winamp 5 final is not out yet. hopefully kinwasi finds the time to update the skin. maybe iPlayTheSpoons can really help?

[amano]

Now with Winamp 5 released, I hope, that we can see a Probe update soon.

[mark e]

/me is waiting! :)

[kiilu]

me too... actually i forgot how it looks like already...

[mark e]

http://forums.winamp.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=366647

[kiilu]

nothing still?

[amano]

I hope that this project does not die. For me Probe was the skin to wait for since the early WA3 beta days.
I have been waiting now for soo long already.

@kinwashi:
Kinwashi, are you still planning to update the skin for Winamp 5, or would you consider this project dead?


My hopes head to Sweden...

[mark e]

He's busy right now and no plans yet... So maybe someone else can finish it... :(???

[Wildrose-Wally]

kinwashi has given his approval for someone to update Probe beta1 (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62019) to Winamp 5 specifications.
You can download the original Probe (http://www.revadesigns.net/probe/) here, and a version that will work on Winamp 5, but could use some improvements here:
Probe_V5.wal (http://www.fusionamp.com/download/Probe_V5.wal)
(I quickly added the Standard frame. If you look good, or even not so good, it's the same as in Auriga (http://www.fusionamp.com/download/Auriga_V5.wal). ;) )

[amano]

SWEEET! Thanks to all those involved in this project.

Maybe some colour themes can be added before submitting it to Winamp.com. Perhaps some forum members want to contribute again.

[MaK77]

someone should also fix shuffle and repeat, they don't work for me on 5.03

[Mr Jones]

Do they not?, I'll take a look at that..


/edit, checked them, they seem to work for me...

think it might be to with how the images look, what you would think is the active state of the buttons is actually the inactive state, that's the way kinwashi designed it , soooo...

Take a peek at the screenshot to see what they should look like when they are in the working position..

[Mr Jones]

fucksocks, forgot the screengrab...

[Lucas]

Ok, want me to update revadesigns with it?

I could add credits too, who's been working on the ML frame? Mr. Jones?

Hmm, I've got a better version of the main UI I could add to it too.

-Luc

[Wildrose-Wally]

Hi Lucas,

You sure can if you want too. Any updates and improvements are also quit welcome. This skin was updated by Mr Jones and myself, I made up the graphics for the standard frame, (actually stole them from Kinwashi's Auriga skin, I don't think he minds.) and Mr Jones messed with the maki. ;)

Contact either of us to get updated versions posted to the Nullsoft Skinz account on winamp.com. We have the key. :)

[Mr Jones]

Actually, my involvement with probe is minimal, actually didn't need a lot of tweaking, left the maki alone in it as it worked spot on anyhow, my contribution to this was merely cleaning up the xml and getting the overall file size down somewhat.

Auriga had more work done to it, both code wise and tidying up. :)

[Lucas]

Is it me or the playlist is kind of fucked up?

Anyway, your new version is up and I'll try to take some time to add my lastest UI work in it 'cause it had a lot of nifty fixes.

-Luc

[mark e]

playlist design is really fucked up :/

[Wildrose-Wally]

I'm sorry for being a bit slow, but in what way is it fucked up?

Yes, It did work a bit better until Mr Jones changed tthe coding to a newer version of the standard frame, but if I compare the 2, I would say the library is fucked up, but the playlist is not too bad. Nevertheless, I might have to completely redo the graphics on the 2, but not tonite, and tommorrow don't look good either.

[mark e]

design is fucked... playlist design should taken from old probe. I remember that it was beautiful.
cuurent one is really ugly. (Add Plylist and these buttons are discusting etc.)

[Wildrose-Wally]

Had to go find a Winamp3 beta version, playlist or library did not show up on the release version of Winamp3 or on Winamp 5, and that's how Kinwashi's standard frame got missed.
You know you are right, of course. We'll be looking at how to get it changed to the proper standard frame, but it might be a few weeks before it is completed. Beta was quite different from the release version, and Winamp 5 is different again but we will get it in there.

[Wildrose-Wally]

http://www.fusionamp.com/elements/Probe-PL.png

[Boricuaso]

uhhhhhh i like it, very clean.
are you adding some control buttons to it? that would be nice.

[Wildrose-Wally]

Thanks to Mr Jones hard work, this is what the new PL will look like. No, it is not exactly the same as the one above, but neither is Winamp 5 the same as Winamp3.
http://www.fusionamp.com/elements/Probe-PL2.png

[kingo'mountain]

heh, how come all skins dont go "oldskool" when it comes to stdframe? :(

[amano]

Is it possible to do apply the same hack that made the reworked winamp3 base skin display some text on the PL bottom?

[Mr Jones]

Here's a better idea, why don't y'all wait until I'm finished before feature requesting.
kthxbye.

[dlinkwit27]

Jones Owns!

[Wildrose-Wally]

Version with the new standard frame is now available, get it here:
Probe (http://www.winamp.com/skins/details.php?id=140256)

Thank you Mr Jones. :)

[amano]

This is great. I have been waiting for it for sooo long.

Thanks, guys.

[Lucas]

Ok, so revadesigns was updated with a "build" of my own.

Took a few things from Mr. Jones release (like the about box)

This is the "official" Probe for Winamp 5, so please submit your changes to me (to this thread?) based on this release so that I can update it.

http://www.revadesigns.net/probe/Probe5.wal

Thank you guys.

Enjoy,
Luc

[Wildrose-Wally]

I was going to give you the one with the new standard frame, but I see you got it already, since it has that nice about box in it someone made. ;)

I'll upload your last version to winamp.com for the masses to enjoy.:)

[Lucas]

[Edited]

Great.

There may be a new version with a few minor fixes soon.

-Luc

[Wildrose-Wally]

Hi Lucas,

Could you put the PLtime back in, this is the code from the modern skin, you'd have to adjust it for Probe.
<text
id="PLTime"
ticker="1"
display="PE_Info"
x="-180" y="7" w="55" h="8"
relatx="1"
font="player.pe.time.font"
align="left"
valign="top"
fontsize="8"
color="font.display"
/>
and this is the one I stuck in the Winamp3 Default skin:
<text
id="PLTime"
ticker="1"
display="PE_Info"
x="120" y="-15" w="68" h="10"
relaty="1"
relatx="0"
font="wasabi.font.default"
align="right"
valign="bottom"
/>
Thank you very much.

wally

[mark e]

wow. now it's much more beautiful. thanks.

next request is playlist bground colur... maybe to add more colour themes or something.