Think before you speak?

[MetallichicA]

So there's a new article called "Think Before You Speak" on the main page, saying that users are being rude and giving people low ratings just for the hell of it. True. But my FAVORITE is this, for the Metallica-Reload skin, and the star that went with it :-)

"Staff Review:
Metallica blows. Especially since this album. Skin everything in the future. And consider skinning for a band that didn't cut their hair. - BG"

Was this person having a bad day? Sheesh, I'd cut my hair too if it had been burned that many times by the pyrotechnics.
Okay, I'm just bored. Just thought I'd comment. Fire away.

Bex

[Rocker]

Originally posted by MetallichicA
So there's a new article called "Think Before You Speak" on the main page, saying that users are being rude and giving people low ratings just for the hell of it. True. But my FAVORITE is this, for the Metallica-Reload skin, and the star that went with it :-)

"Staff Review:
Metallica blows. Especially since this album. Skin everything in the future. And consider skinning for a band that didn't cut their hair. - BG"

Was this person having a bad day? Sheesh, I'd cut my hair too if it had been burned that many times by the pyrotechnics.
Okay, I'm just bored. Just thought I'd comment. Fire away.

Bex



um...if all the windows aren't skinned and its a skinner.exe skin
then it deserves the wrap it did.


it pisses me off when people use skinner.exe

their all shit, cheap, quick, skins.

look at how much time kinwashi puts into his skins

e.g. Auriga

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by N e m e s s i s
shouldnt this be in the propaganda forum? :confused:

Yes, Oh look it is, how'd that happen ;)

[Bilbo Baggins]

Majick.

[MetallichicA]

So, it deserved the complaint about Metallica being numskulls because it wasn't fully skinned? Um... kay. I'm just sayin.
Although I have to admit, it would be nice to have a "Skinner.exe" section for all those skins :-) I get tired of looking through 400 of those just to get to one good skin *sigh*. Oh well, da llama knows best eh?

Bex

[darkraider]

Originally posted by MetallichicA
So, it deserved the complaint about Metallica being numskulls because it wasn't fully skinned?...Oh well, da llama knows best eh?

Bex
:weird:
I whole-heartedly agree. Metallica kicks ass.
digs a spiked club out from under his bed to beat the pansies who dissed his favorite band
:mad:

[chiggerlazer]

Has anybody seen the shortest, yet most unjustified public review? I'm interested to see if you can top this one.

Lindsay Seider gave it http://www.winamp.com/images/misc/star-empty.gifhttp://www.winamp.com/images/misc/star-empty.gifhttp://www.winamp.com/images/misc/star-empty.gifhttp://www.winamp.com/images/misc/star-empty.gifhttp://www.winamp.com/images/misc/star-empty.gif
hate posted on June 12, 2001 @ 17:13 PM
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Check it at http://www.winamp.com/plugins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=63660

Besides that one review, that was a perfectly good preset pack rating.

Check out Motionology at http://www.winamp.com/plugins/detail.jhtml?componentId=63660

[ShaelJenias]

Well, I just created my first skin, TL-17g, a couple weeks back and I think I finally got it to submit last week (how long does it take for them to post?) Anyway, seeing the number of jerks out there with brutally unjustified opinions hasn't stopped me from trying repeatedly over and over again to perfect my skin for those long 58 non-consecutive hours. Basically, I look forward to the review, I know it'll be met with harsh opinions, but the thing is I already have my pride because I know I did my best and did what I enjoyed and managed to press on even when the blasted skin didn't want to cooperate with me.

Even if my skin ends up being a total flop, as long as there's a few people out there who enjoy the look enough to download it and give it 3 or more stars, I know that I've gone beyond my goal of success and managed to make a few others happy as well. That in itself is satisfaction that not even 10,000 mindless 0-star critics can take away from me.

[darkraider]

Originally posted by ShaelJenias
Basically, I look forward to the review, I know it'll be met with harsh opinions, but the thing is I already have my pride because I know I did my best and did what I enjoyed and managed to press on even when the blasted skin didn't want to cooperate with me.
Hehe, bring 'em on baby.

[ShaelJenias]

Originally posted by darkraider

Hehe, bring 'em on baby.

That's not supposed to insinuate anythign threatning... is it? I didn't mean I'd want a bad reveiw, but rather to see how many people say soemthing good about it. Besides, if I get a really bad rating it might give me low self esteem to rate other's works badly. I should make a sig.

-If I only had a sig :winamp:. (Okay, so I faked the sig, that's why I need one)

[darkraider]

Originally posted by ShaelJenias
(Okay, so I faked the sig, that's why I need one)
Is that like faking an orgasm?

[Bilbo Baggins]

How would you know that? Have you ever faked an orgasm? :p

[darkraider]

I wouldn't know that, that's why I asked.

[jns]

Originally posted by Bilbo Baggins
How would you know that? Have you ever faked an orgasm? :p
Have you?
Please.. tell me you didn't fake that last time! :(

[darkraider]

No, that one was real.

[Ian the Korean]

That's a relief!:D ;)

[jns]

Originally posted by Ian the Korean
That's a relief!:D ;)
For me it is!

[darkraider]

Originally posted by jns

For me it is!
Feeling a little insecure?

[Ian the Korean]

Metallica does kick ass, but I should get my ass kicked because I suck at life in all areas.

[darkraider]

Where did that thought come from?

[Ian the Korean]

I was extremely depressed, you had to be there...

I was thinking, (yes even I do put thought into my posts every now and then)if everyone did think before they spoke or acted life would be dull! There would be less stupid actions done by people who didn't think before they acted. Violence, and crime in general would go down, because people would realize the consequences of their decisions before they made them.

I don't like the thought of my thought!:cry:

[BAMNman]

The closest to ack is eek. See figure 1-1.

Figure 1-1: :eek:

Riiiiight...
Anyway,

1. Why don't we start a forum for complaints about people writing meaningless things and then reduce ourselves to writing meaningless things ourselves!? Sounds like a plan! Need examples to help you out with what to post? Try this:

How would you know that? Have you ever faked an orgasm? :p

Now I will sotp being sarcastic.

2. I also dislike skinner.exe skins and would like to put a stop to them. I highly recommend, however, that something be created to sort or weed out or somehow separate the skinner.exe skins from the 'honest stabs at creativity' skins. Although that's not what this forum's for, I figured I might add it anyway.

3. MAJOR POINT OF BUSINESS:
I think that, if the staff see it fit, a rating team be put together. The team would consist of highly dependable and high quality skin reviewers. They would be elected by the staff, and the team would only have a certain amount of people. You could try to get several people who really look at what went into the skin with minimized personal opinions, or several people judging merely on what they like, or a mix. The staff would no longer have to do reviews and the reviews would be more reliable. I understand that telling whether or not a person is dependable is difficult, but have an application process or something. Although it is a lot of work, it would really improve things. Public opinions would still continue and, of course, be looked at, but at least a person would always be able to find a reasonable review/group of reviews from reasonable people.
Problems: Public opinion might become less looked at, but I doubt it. If anything, I think it would be more likely to encourage people to judge better or just the opposite, but public opinion would still thrive in either case.

4. That failing, being too difficult, or requiring a long time, the staff of Winamp.com could post a news article like they did about reasonable skin reviewing, although they would have to make it much more accessible and widely read. The more people who read it, the more people who will consider what they say (NOT because it may offend someone, but rather because what they say is stupid, meaningless, has no effect, is unreasonable, etc. "When deciding an issue, don't think about WHO is right, think about WHAT is right.").

I know that was a huge post. Please take your time digesting!

-BAMNman

[BAMNman]

First of all, I meant no offense by my previous sarcasm.

Second of all, as I'm informed by the staff that their team is not what I thought it was, I pretty much withdraw that whole post except for the last point, #4, which I still think is a good idea and would change some people. Even if only a small amount of people took it to heart, it would matter to that small amount and to all the potential viewers of reviews by that small amount. Every little bit helps.

-BAMNman

[pajama-boy]

So.. what if you use a skinner program to put together a skin you made entirely in photoshop or paint shop pro (to add playlist colors, transparecy, etc.), would that be wrong too?

[BAMNman]

Of course not. That's perfectly acceptable (assuming the skin IS creative). You and all other readers should know perfectly well that I am objecting to skins where the main focus is on a picture, not the presentation of the Winamp player. If you used photoshop to add a few neat things but a picture is still the heart of the skin, then that, although showing some creativity, is still bad.

I hope that was not a sarcastic question because, if it was, I would advise you not to spend life searching for loopholes. If it wasn't, please excuse that comment.

-BAMNman

P.S. This is not a forum for skinner.exe skins, it's a forum for discussion of public reviews.

[rabidhamster]

Just a thought, but should you make people do an IQ test before they post comments about stuff?

Its just the posts from people about my vis plugins saying stuff like 'this skin is crap', and one who posted 0 stars with 'This is shit, Its too slow - I get 3fps' when every other user had been screeching its praise about how they got over 100.

Perhaps you could have a 'vote this opinion out' option, so if enough people said the person was talking bollocks it'd get removed.

[Solemn_Bear]

The least the website could do is to add some filters; Most of the obnoxious posts use F*** and S*** and stuff like that. Don't even tell the rater that their review was rejected. Just dump it.

Another option would simply be to have a screener for each review, but man would that ever be a full time job! Perhaps we could get some volounteers? :)

I know that everyone who works at WinAmp is busy busy, but it would be nice if there was a person or two who could run around and just delete all the nasty posts and their associated ratings.

As for splitting the 'real' skins from the skinner.exe skins, the rating will do that. No need to worry. I do wish, though, that people would save the 5 stars for something truly exceptional. Too many skins on the site have an average of 4 stars, when it really should be around 3.

On a totally unrelated note, there needs to be more animal-related skins. :D That, and the skin serach function is not working at all at the moment; I was looking for oddball stuff and thought it just wasn't my day, but then I start putting in very common words such as 'red' and 'cloud', and 'final fantasy' ( And you KNOW how many FF skins are out there ) and nothing turned up a result. Ooops, looks like someone broke something. Ah well. :p

[Solemn_Bear]

Perhaps you could have a 'vote this opinion out' option, so if enough people said the person was talking bollocks it'd get removed.

I thought about this, but then what stops a group of four or five lamers from voting out every single review on the site? :igor:

[MetallichicA]

Holy mackerel people, I had no idea this would end up being so big lol :-) My only point was that, while I understand that there are many, MANY idiots reviewing skins and saying stuff like "This skin is a piece of crap because I don't like frogs," it shouldn't be the case that a *staff reviewer* includes his/her own personal opinions. Yeah, the skin might not have been great (jeez, I don't even remember what it looked like at this point, but I'm thinking it wasn't even a skinner, it was just a bad attempt at skinning. Hell, I dunno), but it's just the fact that it looked like the staff reviewer was giving the skin a low rating just because it's Metallica. Maybe I'm wrong. It just frustrated me to see that a person from staff gave it a review very similar to what they were telling members NOT to do.

*shrug*
Bex

[Solemn_Bear]

I'd be very frustrated too. The thing is, though, there needs to be more moderation. Noone deserves abuse.