9/11 death penalty

[zootm]

someone clarify this for me:

has the American govt. really puched for the death penalty for the only person accused of the 9/11 incident before he's been proven guilty?

also: i am against the death penalty, so i am against this move at all. i am glad that moral govt.s are refusing to cooperate with the proceedings when the death penalty is to be used.

answers/opinions?

[[LMF]ZeroKool]

Just a staggering thought.

Can one death replace the thousands that have already perished?

[Aeroe]

ok, he's been charged with conspiracy to slaughter thousands of innocent AMERICAN lives. first off too bad for the french, nor do i care if he was a french nationalist since his crimes were Here.

in the screwed up corner of the world called europe, we have millions of liberals/socialists that have nothing better to do then bitch bitch bitch about everything the only remaining world power does. the french should all go away and dig another maginot line. the rest of the hypocrites should reconsider the terrorist's fate of the possibility of the death penalty.
especially since the whackos over there in europe support human embryo farms but want their rapists and mass murderers to watch cable TV and play poker. that's if you want to talk morals with governments...

basically back entirely on subject. if the french do not want to cooperate, Fine! they aren't useful anyways for American interests. if they want to side with a terrorist, So Be It. the entire EU, UN are a bunch of whining parasites that do nothing besides get in the way of an absolute resolve.

[KrunkedUp187]

id think we'd try him first. also that is what the govt says about every accusee. thats what defence attornys fight ;)

[Bilbo Baggins]

the entire EU, UN are a bunch of whining parasites that do nothing besides get in the way of an absolute resolve.


Wrong.

The EU is not at any level yet of real political bite to its member countries, it is still a rich mans club designed tofill the overfilled pockets of businesses. Although it does have some political sway, it takes so long for anything to get decidede that most member states go and create their own ruling anyway.

In the case of this terrorist, the French have every right to appeal against the death of their citizen in a barbaric legal system. I am sure the Americans love it when one of their citizens gets executed in the far east for drugs smuggling.

But also, would the death penalty actually stop these sorts of people? If the bloke was executed, then it would be more likely to make a martyr out of him, which would then create more people like him. This is a vicious circle that can only be got out once we learn to stop killing these people.

[Indyrod]

Originally posted by Bilbo Baggins



But also, would the death penalty actually stop these sorts of people?

It would sure as hell stop that one, wouldn't it?? One dead terrorist, is one LESS terrorist. We'll eventually get the rest...

[randman]

Originally posted by Aeroe
ok, he's been charged with conspiracy to slaughter thousands of innocent AMERICAN lives.

Just to clarify, the planes dove into the World Trade Center towers. There were many citizens of other countries there who could have and actually did lose their lives. A small point, but an important one that has been missed.

And as Indy said, we won't stop until the terrorists are gone or reduced in number to the point they are no longer effective.

[Aeroe]

yeah i know many were other nationalists, and probably a dozen frenchmen perished.

basically the death penalty which is shown to save lives in the long run (fear maybe?) is far too merciful.

[zootm]

Originally posted by Aeroe
in the screwed up corner of the world called europe, we have millions of liberals/socialists that have nothing better to do then bitch bitch bitch about everything the only remaining world power does. the french should all go away and dig another maginot line. the rest of the hypocrites should reconsider the terrorist's fate of the possibility of the death penalty.

Wrong.

Originally posted by Bilbo Baggins
In the case of this terrorist, the French have every right to appeal against the death of their citizen in a barbaric legal system. I am sure the Americans love it when one of their citizens gets executed in the far east for drugs smuggling.

Right.

an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

don't lower yourselves to their level- you don't have to kill to show power.

that's called murder.

[henry3k56]

It is impossible to sentence everyone that causes 9/11. That would be out of proportion to accuse the people who are against the United States. Sentencing them wouldn't do anything. They have to have remorse to know that what they did was wrong, and was out of control. Those people who flew into the Towers did not have remorse at all, or a conscience to tell them "What the hell am I doing?". Either way the death penalty only hurts us, and makes us become terrorists against terrorists for massacring them. They have to have a conscience that tells them whats wrong, and what can happen as a consequence in order to punish them.

[Bilbo Baggins]

Does that then meaen that it is impossible to stamp out terrorism?

[zootm]

Originally posted by Bilbo Baggins
Does that then meaen that it is impossible to stamp out terrorism?

as long as there's always more than 1 person on earth, there's gonna be disagreements. terrorism's an extreme effect of this. so, yeah.

//edit-- we could kill everybody but one person, i suppose. and, of course, i'd have to get to choose who lives, as i'll be the only one left afterwards, so it doesn't matter about all you other people :igor:

[patroclus22]

In this case, I don't feel the death penalty is appropriate. However, in other cases, it is appropriate. Whether or not the accused recieves the death penalty is up to the judge/jury and is really out of anyone else's control.
Bilbo: Before you condemn our legal system as "barbaric" I think you should re-examine some of your history. We execute people by lethal injection. In the past, we've used LI, the electric chair, the gas chamber, hanging, and firing squads. Europe, on the other hand, has used: Hanging, decapitation, drawing-and-quartering, crucifixion, burning at the stake, poison--and my favorite--throwing people to the lions. Perhaps we still rely on the death penalty because we haven't quite so thoroughly bathed ourselves in the blood of our criminals.

[zootm]

Originally posted by patroclus22
Bilbo: Before you condemn our legal system as "barbaric" I think you should re-examine some of your history. We execute people by lethal injection. In the past, we've used LI, the electric chair, the gas chamber, hanging, and firing squads. Europe, on the other hand, has used: Hanging, decapitation, drawing-and-quartering, crucifixion, burning at the stake, poison--and my favorite--throwing people to the lions. Perhaps we still rely on the death penalty because we haven't quite so thoroughly bathed ourselves in the blood of our criminals.

in the distant past! interesting fact: LI, electric chair, gas chamber were all concepts unheard of at the time we last used the death penalty for a crime other than treason, which was punished by firing squad.

y'know what, our old legal was barbaric. years ago.
the US one is. now.

[tjb2004]

It'll be a trial like with Francis Gary Powers and the Russians. They'll put him up on trial as a publicity shot and then hide him away somewhere.

[patroclus22]

Originally posted by zootm


in the distant past! interesting fact: LI, electric chair, gas chamber were all concepts unheard of at the time we last used the death penalty for a crime other than treason, which was punished by firing squad.

y'know what, our old legal was barbaric.

I'd say, however, that your past pretty much precludes you from claiming any moral high ground on us in this case. Let us dispense our justice our way, and leave the judgement of morality to history.

[zootm]

Originally posted by patroclus22
I'd say, however, that your past pretty much precludes you from claiming any moral high ground on us in this case. Let us dispense our justice our way, and leave the judgement of morality to history.

that's like me telling you to stop enslaving the blacks, dude.

[patroclus22]

Ok, you lost me with that one. I'm quitting this thread anyway, before I say something that really pisses someone off. I should've known better than to discuss politics in public.

[zootm]

Originally posted by patroclus22
Ok, you lost me with that one. I'm quitting this thread anyway, before I say something that really pisses someone off. I should've known better than to discuss politics in public.

no dude! don't quit! i like arguing politics w/ you! don't worry, just don't take personal digs @ ppl and u'll be fine...

i was saying you can't judge a current peoples by the crimes of their past generations- what's important is what we do now, what we've done in the (distant) past.

i'm not claiming a moral high ground. i'm claiming that you can't fight death with death. that's not how things work.