DOOM III - The excitment builds

[SNYder]

yeah it's a month old article, but none the less, I thought I would share my excitment with you all and let people know about it's development, which has been going on for over a year, who don't browse gaming sites.

http://www.gamespy.com/e32002/pc/doom3b/

I want to know what the rest of ya'll think. Ya'll as excited as me?!! :)

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if you have a cable+ modem, go grab the 7 minute long video at

http://www.fileplanet.com/index.asp?file=88339

Description: This QuickTime movie is an exciting, 7-minute long history of id Software's DOOM series, complete with interviews of the team and exclusive footage from DOOM III. The movie was originally shown at the 2002 Electronic Entertainment Expo.

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interview with id3software about Doom III

http://www.gamespy.com/e32002/pc/id/

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interview with John Carmack

http://www.gamespy.com/e32002/pc/carmack/

[Atmo]

Dammit!! I was hoping they'd keep it like the orignal 2....No 3d hardware support, no mouselook and the most killer looking sprites ever...:hang:


Oh well...Still looks cool. :D

[Jon Deaux]

Man, I've played every .wad I cold find...and I found zillions of em.
I'm torqued.
Totaly.
My brain is playin Sweet Cherry Pie I'm so happy!

[Khakionion]

I can't wait for Doom3. I've got big expectations for this game, I've been a Doom fiend since the original three episodes of Doom came out. I really hope they have some "retro" level that has some nostalgic Doom crap...my favorite video game song is still E1M1...or Untracked from SSX, but that doesn't help Doom out, does it?

[SNYder]

I'm getting a new system in a few weeks, which will more then support the awsomeness of Doom III! I'm freakin out here!

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Gateway 700S (highly customized)

starting price: $1,499
after custimization: $1,550 (only cause I opted for now cdrom/dvd player and no monitor)

I put a * next to anything that I custimized to be HIGHER/FASTER/BIGGER then came with the preset up model.

- Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.26GHz with 512K L2 Advanced Transfer Cache and 533MHz Front Side Bus
- 512MB RDRAM® PC800 *
- 80GB UATA100 7200RPM Hard Drive
- 3.5" 1.44MB diskette drive
- Microsoft® Windows® XP Pro *
- Microsoft® Works Suite 2002 - Including Microsoft® Word and Encarta
- Norton AntiVirus 90 day Introductory Offer
- 128MB NVIDIA™ GeForce4 Ti-4600G with TV Out and DVI Graphics *
- SoundBlaster Audigy Audio w/ IEEE 1394 (FireWire)
- 5 PCI and 1 AGP expansion slots
- (6) USB (2 in front and 2 in back are version 2.0, 2 more in back are version 1.1)
- Parallel, Serial and (2) PS/2
- 56K PCI Voice Modem
- 3COM® 10/100 Ethernet *

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Notes:
1)I chose not to have a cdrom or dvd-r included so I can buy a dvd-r/rw recorder. The one gateway provides are dvd-ram/r, which suck.

2)I will be replacing Soundblaster Audigy down the line.

3)The monitor I currently have will do fine (19 inch flatscreen/not flat panel) so I chose to have no monitor included.

4)I opted for the GeForce4 Ti-4600G so that I'll be overprepared for DoomIII, Warcraft 3 and any other future game.

5)lastly, I will be purchasing three 36mb 15,000rpm hardrives. 2 for my music production work. And 1 for my video production work I'm beging to get into. I don't do as much video work, so I'll only need one for now. If I ever need more I can always go the external drive method using usb 2. I'll use the 80gb 7,200rpm hardrive that comes with the system for programs and games.

[nfinitefx_]

Doom III is gonna be wicked cool. I can't wait for Unreal Tourny 2003 and Unreal 2003 too(if thats the name for Unreal 2). All 3 should kick major ass.

Also SNYder, see if you can't opt for the newer PC1066 RDRAM, Intel doesn't offically support it, but it's much faster apparently. Also, if you are going to get into movie editing and DVD authoring you might want to consider a dual processer system, DV editing eats up on CPU and HD space bad:)

[SNYder]

Originally posted by nfinitefx_
Also SNYder, see if you can't opt for the newer PC1066 RDRAM, Intel doesn't offically support it, but it's much faster apparently. Also, if you are going to get into movie editing and DVD authoring you might want to consider a dual processer system, DV editing eats up on CPU and HD space bad:) i wanted to go with a dual processor but it'll bring the price up even more.

and as for PC1066 RDRAM, I'll look into it. But figuring I am used to working with 128mb sdram, (a step up being ddr sdram, another huge step up being rdram), I think even the slower rdram will be wicked fast to me :D but I'll look into it and see what the cost differences are currently and how much faster it is. Thanks :)

funny, I had noticed pc1066 rdram in a few alienware systems but thought nothing of it :) oh well

[mc^^^^]

that looks awsome, only everything is too shiny

/me looks at his pc and kicks it. that game is gonna make you look crap

[SNYder]

hahaha :blah: how fast is your putter?

[Bizznatch]

i can get 9000 3dmark 2001 points, is that good enough?

and I have a Geforce3 ti450

[SNYder]

well i researched rdram for the last few hours and now have a good knoledge of them. unfortunatly since I'm low on a budget and have settled on Gateway (unless I find cheaper costing premade pc's) and Gateway only ships the 2.26 and above P4's with 850e chips I can't upgrade to pc1066 down the road if I buy now since the 850e doesn't support anything over 3.2gb ram transfer rates, and the pc1066 needs 3.8gb.

oh well. I guess I'll just have to live with ultra fast pc800 rdram instead of ultra ulta fast pc1066 rdram. :)

also... I looked into Geforce4 and the various company's versions of he card. The main one is obviously Nvidia card. But there is another one that is gaining popularity by e-VGA, a new company (founded 1999). It's version the e-VGA e-GeForce4 is just as good as the Nvidia card in all aspects, but the one aspect which sets them apart, which is actually the e-VGA's selling point, is this new ACS² Cooling Systems built onto the card. Well, I have read a review which messured it's effectivness compared to the standard cooling mechanism on the Nvidia card. And althought this new cooling technology looks and sounds impressive, it fals well short of it's claims. Infact, the e-VGA cards became much hotter then the Nvidia cards. Plus it cost around 50 dollars more. I'll stick with NVidia.

here's the article I read... http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/evgati4600.shtml

[simon snowflake]

I have heard there is a preview movie of DIII, only problem is you can't get it legally, so people start kazaa

[J_Bloggs]

Isn't there already 3 doom games?, i know I have three diffent ones, final doom, doom II and ultimate doom, so how can they call it doom 3?

[Curi0us_George]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20020524l.gif

[nfinitefx_]

Originally posted by SNYder
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and as for PC1066 RDRAM, I'll look into it. But figuring I am used to working with 128mb sdram, (a step up being ddr sdram, another huge step up being rdram), I think even the slower rdram will be wicked fast to me :D but I'll look into it and see what the cost differences are currently and how much faster it is. Thanks :)

funny, I had noticed pc1066 rdram in a few alienware systems but thought nothing of it :) oh well

I looked into the Alienware system you are talking about, the Area 51 line. Here's what I was able to come up with. they are using 4 sticks of PC1066 RDRAM on an IntelD850EMV2 board, which uses the new 850E chipset. However the Intel says the board doesn't "offically" support the PC1066 spec for the 4.2GB/sec transfer rates of PC1066. So un offically, it's not supported and thats about as close as you can get to a nudge nudge wink wink from the people at Intel. :)

[mc^^^^]

i got an
AMD 1.1Ghz
640megs ram
Asus Ge-force2 MX
Hercules Fortissmo2 sound card
WindowsXP

etc...

[Ryo Hazuki]

I seriously hope this comes to the xbox because I have:

450 megahertz PIII
with a crappy ATI 8mb card
that came with my computer
in 1999.

Theirs no way my computer can handle anything cool and I can't afford an expensive graphics card right now :blah: ...

[bonj]

Originally posted by simon snowflake
I have heard there is a preview movie of DIII, only problem is you can't get it legally, so people start kazaa
Yes, it looks much, much more impressive in motion.. I never found the screenshots all that impressive, but once you see the lighting and environmental warping, and physics (zombies falling down stairs and such) in motion, it's very fucking impressive.

When I thought it couldn't look any better, id revealed that the E3 demo (from which the video was taken) was running at MEDIUM detail due to a bit of instability at the time when running it full detail. Insane.

Surprisingly, it was running on ATI's next-gen video card which supports 128-bit color. I think Carmack has stated that the GF4 Ti4600 is still the best card to run it on, though, due to ATI's crappy drivers.

[SNYder]

Originally posted by bonj
I think Carmack has stated that the GF4 Ti4600 is still the best card to run it on, though, due to ATI's crappy drivers. yeah, he said that in the interview I linked to in the first post.


Originally posted by nfinitefx_
I looked into the Alienware system you are talking about, the Area 51 line. Here's what I was able to come up with. they are using 4 sticks of PC1066 RDRAM on an IntelD850EMV2 board, which uses the new 850E chipset. However the Intel says the board doesn't "offically" support the PC1066 spec for the 4.2GB/sec transfer rates of PC1066. So un offically, it's not supported and thats about as close as you can get to a nudge nudge wink wink from the people at Intel. :) Ummm... so, ummm. :confused: Does this mean I can simply buy pc10666 rdram and put it into my new gateway, which uses the same motherboard, and be able to take full advantage of pc1066 rdram?

Originally posted by Curi0us_George
http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20020524l.gifhahaha :blah:

[nfinitefx_]

Originally posted by SNYder
Ummm... so, ummm. :( Does this mean I can simply buy pc10666 rdram and put it into my new gateway, which uses the same motherboard, and be able to take full advantage of pc1066 rdram?

Best guess, if other people are doing it, then I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to. Run some benchmarks first, and see how you like the speed, then if you want more go for the PC1066 RDRAM, thsts what I would do:)

[SNYder]

Originally posted by nfinitefx_
Best guess, if other people are doing it, then I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to. Run some benchmarks first, and see how you like the speed, then if you want more go for the PC1066 RDRAM, thsts what I would do:) awsome! one last question, though. have you heard of anyone running 1 stick of pc800 and another stick of pc1066 at the same time? :) But mabey that'd just defeat the whole purpose of speed.

[Trigear]

the original doom and doom 2 were all about much monsters and much killing. this one looks like it's more scary than anything else. i'm having mental flashes of half-life and the first level of unreal... not that either were bad, in fact both were VERY good, it's just that that's not what i want for doom. doom should be like serious sam without the humor.

bah!

[shyam]

I cant wait for doom 3!

Right now I'm playing Gta3:PC.
I think doom will come out sometime next year.

[eleet-2k2]

Originally posted by SNYder
Specs...Oooh!!! I want a good system. :(

Man I cant wait for Doom 3. They'd better have a damn jump key though or I'll be bleddy pissed! :D

[nfinitefx_]

Originally posted by SNYder
awsome! one last question, though. have you heard of anyone running 1 stick of pc800 and another stick of pc1066 at the same time? :) But mabey that'd just defeat the whole purpose of speed.

I'm not a RDRAM expert, but i'll see if I can find more information on this. My guess is if you paired a PC800 with a PC1066 the 1066 would clock it self down to PC800. But, it might not. The PC800 may just run at 1066 just like a lot of older SDRAM that runs at 66MHz will run at 100MHz and even 133MHz.(I've got a PC66 32MB DIMM from Samsung that is running at 133MHz). I would spend the money and get all PC1066 though for the best performace. Just my two cents:)

[SNYder]

Originally posted by 31337-2k2
Oooh!!! I want a good system. :( heh :)

Originally posted by 31337-2k2
Man I cant wait for Doom 3. They'd better have a damn jump key though or I'll be bleddy pissed! :D I'm sure you'll be able to do much more then jump.

Originally posted by nfinitefx_


I'm not a RDRAM expert, but i'll see if I can find more information on this. My guess is if you paired a PC800 with a PC1066 the 1066 would clock it self down to PC800. But, it might not. The PC800 may just run at 1066 just like a lot of older SDRAM that runs at 66MHz will run at 100MHz and even 133MHz.(I've got a PC66 32MB DIMM from Samsung that is running at 133MHz). I would spend the money and get all PC1066 though for the best performace. Just my two cents:) agreed :) thanks for the help. if you do happen to find out for certain, though, just lemme know. :) Thanks Mr. RDRAM Expert.

[Xerxes]

Let me guess- you get to run around killing people/mutants - except this time the blood is in higher resolution? Am I right?

*Snore*

Wake me up when the real games come out.:rolleyes:

Xerxes patiently awaits the Civ III / Heros of Might and Magic IV expansion sets and Masters of Orion III.

[Bilbo Baggins]

Doom 3 should be rather tasty. I am lookin forward to it.

[Scar Da Kookee]

Originally posted by Ryo Hazuki
I seriously hope this comes to the xbox because I have:

450 megahertz PIII
with a crappy ATI 8mb card
that came with my computer
in 1999.

Theirs no way my computer can handle anything cool and I can't afford an expensive graphics card right now :blah: ...

yours comes close to mine:

AMD k/6-2 @ 450mhz
ATI Radeon 32mb 160mhz
224mb ram
a few additions sence i got mine in '99 :(

[nfinitefx_]

Originally posted by Scarface2k2


yours comes close to mine:

AMD k/6-2 @ 450mhz
ATI Radeon 32mb 160mhz
224mb ram
a few additions sence i got mine in '99 :(

Sad thing is your K6-2 450's 3D performance, eg floating point unit, is beaten by PII350's:/
Don't feel so bad, I was pretty angry when I found out when I had my K6-2 450:down:

[dam]

The nice thing bout Doom III is that it will have an extensive single player experience too which has been missing in the recent id games.

[nfinitefx_]

RTCW had a decent story line, a bit unbeleivable at times, but still it was decent and it was more than than the typical deathmatch era of Quake3 and Unreal Tourny.

[slacker52]

im probely gonna have to get a new video card and OS just to play doom 3, cause my comp barely runs gta3:hang: