"Do you know the weight I'm under?"
 

Do we expect too much of modern women? If so, have they created this situation themselves, or is it the result of residual male oppression?

As long as they're curvy I love em

i answered almost this same question about 15 min ago in the "....technicalorie" thread

Diffrent cultures, diffrent ideas of what is excpected. a conflicting question. to broad.

rm, please stop with the wasteful posts. they get annoying. 21% of the front page of GD is your posts.

This is more about their societal role more then their physical expectations. Besides, the physical expectations question goes both ways.

On the contrary - I think that they expect far too much from us....

THey brought it on themselves by giving into the pressures of society and of course some of the blame lies on society.

AHH HEMMM!! We are a presence! If she is 5'8" or so about
120 to 125 tops :D :D ...
We didn't make the rules. We had very little to do with changing
them. The forum is what Amerika feels like to me, most of the time.
Don't get to uppity or no one will like you. Ignore all insults, you're better than that, Don't ever say what you really want.
And so on and so on and scubby dooby do

No, we expect too much of men...according to society it is my job to work hard, pay for the house, car, food, etc, never complain about how much working sucks, and initiate the conversation with any female whom I may be interested in (and this particular expectation has prevented me from getting countless dates...fucking closed-minded society in which guys have to be the "aggressive" ones), and not only that, but the only way I get to express my feelings/interest is through spending excessive amounts of the money which I do not have on things that she doesn't even need (which will almost certainly prevent me from ever sustaining any sort of relationship once I'm lucky enough to be involved in one). I would gladly trade in all these things for the ability to sleep in until noon everyday, and not have to do anything more complex than cooking dinner (and cooking is enjoyable, so long as I don't have to clean up the mess I make), and then I could eat the dinner that I cooked and just have kinky sex with my hard-working wife all night long while she showers me with gifts like LCD computer monitors that she buys with her hard-earned money...that would be one SWEET setup.

Yep, that's all the working women I know lives.
Get up feed husband, kids and pets, make school lunches, and go to work; come home make dinner feed him feed kids do a laundry, clean up
watch husband make remark about every piece of twenty year old
tail he sees on TV{he is at least 59} and take it good naturedly, and geeeeeee
uh, no thanx

Need something to sit on?
oh,PS, Don't get fat from having his children, don't get old looking
and never be tired!!

I reserve the right to once again slap down a most exhausting essay on the servile female and (possibly) why this role has been predominant throughout history (up untill now in regards to 1st world nations)

http://www.orgonelab.org/saharasia.htm

Widdykats must have misread something...to clarify:

1. There would be no kids.
2. I don't eat breakfast, so she wouldn't need to feed me in the morning.
3. I'm quite capable of making my own lunch.
4. I said that I'D cook the dinner, and even do the laundry too...she can do the dishes though, as that part's no fun.
5. I prefer sex to Tv, and Tv shows that actually have a plot to those that just show a bunch of scantily clad chicks running around pretending like they aren't total morons, and cartoons to Tv shows with actual plots.

so your paraphrase of her life should read:

"Get up ,go to work; come home eat dinner, clean up
watch husband laugh at the irrational actions of animated characters (or just have sex with him if you're horny), and geeeeeee
uh, no thanx"

Which is not that different from what your average working male does, and if a guy can do it, then so can a chick, or so the feminists would like us to beleive.

This was a discussion of what grown women in America do everyday.
Not my life, not your life, but you should brush up on labor stats and see how many working{hard} mothers there are. Oh, we are not
chicks..buck, buck, buck ,buck

You are chicks, and we are guys. Deal with it.

No, You Deal with this..We are women {or girls.}..not chicks
that's too sexist to even deal with.

Sorry, it seemed to me like your post was in response to the post that I had right above it...as far as labor stats go, I'm relatively indifferent, as I didn't force these people into their current situation, and there's not anything I can do to help them.

What Phily said...you're a chick, I'm a dude (at least here in Hawaii anyways), and if you don't like it then tough shit...maybe you could e-mail the dictionary people and petition for them to add a disclaimer next to the word "chick" stating "NOT to be used in reference to females," but I doubt they'd care either.

You are too stupid to know. And really insulting!!

Chicks isn't insulting it's slang for a female. Sorry if that offends you but there's nothing to be offended about. If I called you a cock sucking slut who fucks everything in sight, there'd be reason to be insulted, uinless it were true. Stop being so damn sensitive.

ok....

you are females, we are males.

w000t now i sound like a dude on teh discovereh channal.

Okay, first off, I have nothing against feminism, or feminists in general, but when a feminist (or anybody else for that matter) starts spouting crap about how they find the word "chick" to be offensive and that therefore nobody is allowed to use it, even in a non-offensive manner, then it's time for me to get a bit insulting. It is generally accepted that "chick" is just another word for female, which is neither offensive or derrogatory...aside from this, you are criticizing a statement based on the terminology used, rather than its overall message, and that's just stupid. Is the statement "Women are all self-serving, greedy, vain, arrogant, shallowminded, egocentric little whores" less offensive than "chicks kick ass" because it says "women" instead of "chicks." It's the CONTENT/MEANING of a statement that counts, NOT the terminology that is used the express the meaning, and I make no apologies for the fact that you were offended by my usage of the word "chicks," because had you bothered to look at the CONTENT of my statement, you would have seen that I wasn't using it in a derrogatory manner at all. Stupid battles about terminology such as this one only serve to undermine the credibility of the feminist movement as far as I'm concerned...you don't see me crusading te get everyone to stop saying "dude" or "guys" or "stud," do you? So lighten up and let us have our word, and if it is used in a statement whose MEANING is offensive (like "hey dude, FUCK YOU!"), THEN you can get all indignant about things...but don't go getting all bitchy just because somebody used a word which you do not like in a non-derrogatory manner.

Good for you, you probaly get laid and everything.
:D Geeeee a grown up! I don't insult you Phily, please don't insult me. It is no ones place to tell another person what they should feel comfortable being addressed as..no one's place.

I didn't insult you.

edit: So if you were insulted about being called female I should somehow know this intuitivly before I ever called you one? Pull the other one.

You and Some 1 feel that it's my problem how I want to be referred to...That is so Ignorant and Insulting. Some1, I was doing form and content arguments since forever..just stop yourself, already
Who the hell do you think you are to tell me "chick" isn't an opression word.

if women are equals then equal amounts of responsibility should be bestowed on both sexes.

Make me.

Um, I'm the person who used it in the first place, and I can tell you with 100% certainty that I DID NOT use it with any intent to oppress or offend...there are no "oppression words," there are only oppressive statements, and the meaning of my statement(s) was NOT oppressive.

Calm down, I use "chick" all the time to refer to other girls. I don't have a prob with guys using it. Hell, most of my guy friends call me "Woman" and that's fine.

Just start calling all the guys here "dicks" and all will be well :D

that'll do
 

The point is we have no idea what you do and do not find insulting unless you explicitatly tell us. Chick is often refered to as a woman, dude a man, wanker a man etc... I don't see why you should find a word, I at least, see as an exact substitute for the word woman. It is the intent that should be harmful not the way it is carried out.

Agreed, listen to MetallichicA, for she is wise.

I am a 6'5" dick; Do you think I'll fit? ;)

Women are equals - don't make me laugh. I was having a drink with a girl that I've known since forever just now, and the bargirl expected me to pay for both drinks - she was appaled that I let the lady pay, despite the fact that I earn less than half of what she does.

It's double standards like this that I really hate.

It is every persons right to deal with how they would like to be addressed. I have my right as an individual to find the word chick offensive. In the work place, at least here in New York, you would get a reprimand for addressing a female co-worker as chick.
If it continued to the point of " law of uncomfortablity" you would be fired. I don't address certain people, in certain ways,
1. It might bother them
2. They don't like it
In this life, we do not live in a vacuum. We live in a world
with rules. Some of those rules, I have fought for and continue to do so, so I can live with me.

P.S. I buy my own drinks and sometimes others

/me cozies up next to Widdy...

Waiter? I'll have a Campari and Tonic with a twist of lime..and get my friend whatever he wants!


I'm a bit of a tramp, but I'm not a chick! ;)

True enough that, though to be fair I didn't address you specifically as a chick until after you had taken issue with my usage of the word in the general sense, and with Phily's defense of my usage. All I ask is that you don't get all outraged when I use a word that you personally find offensive in a manner that's not intended to be offensive, and I reserve my individual right to be offended should you choose to disregard this.

Maybe so, but you have to admit that some of these rules are exceptionally stupid and not worth following...and besides, aren't there far more noble causes to fight for than the elimination of a word which you feel is personally offensive? How about helping to feed starving children in Africa, or finding a cure for cancer, or AIDS? Wouldn't doing these things, or even just trying to do this things, have a far greater positive impact than preventing people from saying one stupid word which you happen to dislike? It's one thing to fight against people who are truly sexist, but labeling everybody who uses a word which you consider to be indicative of sexism as a sexist is just pointless, especially when their usage of the word wasn't meant to be sexist to begin with...otherwise you could argue that an "enlightened" statement could be something like "womens' place is in the kitchen," and a sexist statement could be something like "chicks deserve all the rights that dudes have"...seems kind of backwards to me.

Well, I never said you didn't place argument well.
That being said ..Over many years certain people have been active in
certain "movements" Some of us involved in Civil Rights with guns
pointed under our chins, by police who just didn't want black people to vote. I remember when Princeton did not allow undergraduate women there, I remember alot. So, I still have attitudes that I believe are not antiquated, but rather sociey as a whole is really going backwards
But, if I asked you not to call me a chick, and let us say you said "You are one deal with it" I deam that, rightfully so, as hostile and misogynistic in nature.

I agree, but at the same time, if Widdykats started calling you a fucking penis-face, (and it bothered you) I think she would stop. Different people have different comfort levels. I don't mind people refering to me as a "chick" but I HATE it when I'm refered to as "woman". Different strokes for different folks.

Lots of Love,
Mea

Women are a heavenly gift to the world. We should worship them and the ground they walk on. :)

ahh such a wise dude..:)
<yes kiddies I have just come back from the pub and am feeling kind of philosophical now>:D
Expectations...in this life one should expect nothing from another person other than enough respect so that one's sense of self is never imposed upon - male, female or otherwise. In short you do you thing, I'll do mine and if our leaves fall on the same clod of earth in the end that is fine.

The joust before proved quite an interesting read though...if I were around for this I could have put in a few good one liners...:)
A thread on the relevance, implications and appropriateness of a person's actions/words would have been more "suitable"...
Arin?? :weird:

Thanks, it's what I do...

Now that really depends on how you're determining directionality...are things getting to a point where people are less sensitive to certain things which may be offensive to others? Yes, I'd have to say that they are, but I feel this is simply a side-effect of people becoming more willing to think for themselves and express their own opinions without being tied down to what society says is appropriate, and personally I feel that this is a very good thing...you cannot have free speech and free exchange of ideas without people getting offended, and any effort to prevent people from being offended by the use of certain words is just an oppression of free expression (and not to mention unreasonable, because if you prohibit everything that may be offensive to anyone, there won't be anything left to talk about...), and my theory has always been free expression, even of unfavorable/offensive ideas, above all else.

For the first several posts it seemed more like you just didn't want me using the term in general, not that you simply didn't want it applied to yourself, and I reacted appropriately (I consider somebody telling me not to use a word in the general sense to be attacking my right to express myself, and it therefore gets a heavily defensive reply)...so was my post hostile? You bet, but only because I thought you were saying I should NEVER use a certain word because you found it personally offensive. Was it mysogynist? Nope, the hostility was only directed at you, and not women in general.