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rm' 10th November 2002 08:09

Eviscerating the soft white underbelly of society
 
What is the meaning of music? Rather, what has it become? There's always been a classic conception of what music was about, but now that's changed.

Is it about the aural images? The actual sounds? Harmony? Polyphony? Melody? The theory? The sound?

Or is it about the cultural image? Social movements? The political message? The commentary on the human condition? Does talent count? Does the creator of the music have to be down-to-earth and authentic for the music to be good?

And please don't lie. Based on responses to other threads, I already know the answers virtually everyone should give. I just want to get it out in the open.

SSJ4 Gogitta 10th November 2002 08:15

To me, it is about all of thoes, the harmony, aural images, and so forth.

If it sounds good to me, depending on my mood, its good music.

SSJ4 Gogitta 10th November 2002 08:19

And i am for some odd reason in the mood for Rod Stewart

I am Jesus 10th November 2002 08:21

I think it is to express their self, it realy depends on the type of music.

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Rather, what has it become?

Loud noise.:D and then you got the "thug life" thing.

Some1 10th November 2002 08:30

It's quite simple really, music (good music anyways, not the crap they show on MTV 95% of the time) is art, and art is about expression, either of an idea or an emotion or whatever. So:

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Or is it about the cultural image? Social movements? The political message? The commentary on the human condition?
Yes, it's about all those and more...

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Is it about the aural images? The actual sounds? Harmony? Polyphony? Melody? The theory? The sound?
Not if that's ALL there is to the particular peice...in such cases it ceases being "music" and becomes "ambient noise." Ambient noise sucks, and proof of this can be seen in the fact that the majority of the music that teenyboppers listen to can be classified as "ambient noise," and as we all know, teenyboppers are the definition of things which suck, so by deduction we can infer that anything which they like also sucks.

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Does the creator of the music have to be down-to-earth and authentic for the music to be good?
No, but this certainly helps, but if the creator is able to lie convincingly then it's still possible for "unauthentic" music to be enjoyable.

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Does talent count?
Yes, but it isn't everything...technical skill will only get so far, at some point you need to use your skill to actually express something or all you're doing is creating ambient noise, and as mentioned above, ambient noise sucks.


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And please don't lie. Based on responses to other threads, I already know the answers virtually everyone should give.
Do you now? Well then, I feel quite proud that I was able to make you waste your time reading something which you already knew...maybe you should have used your in depth knowledge of my psyche to post your reply to my post before my post was posted, and then to post my reply to your reply before I can post a reply myself...why, you could emulate the entire forum population, and the rest of us could just kick back and watch the show.

rm' 10th November 2002 08:37

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Originally posted by Some1
why, you could emulate the entire forum population, and the rest of us could just kick back and watch the show.
But where would be the fun in that? For me, at least.

Some1 10th November 2002 08:46

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But where would be the fun in that? For me, at least.
Your "fun" is the satisifaction that you'd get from knowing that you were saving dozens of people from having to go through the tedium of typing out their own thoughts and then posting them to the forum...after all, "helping others is its own reward," lol.

Also, forgot to mention, the underbelly of society can't possibly be all that soft, because if it were I would have killed society a long time ago so that something better could take its place...I'd say its underbelly is large and densely armored with the crushed skeletons of all the individuals who have been sacrificed "for the good of society," both directly and indirectly.

SSJ4 Gogitta 10th November 2002 09:12

Some1:

http://www.nastyglass.com/images/chillpillsbig.jpg

I am Jesus 10th November 2002 09:21

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Originally posted by SSJ4_Gogitta
Some1:

http://www.nastyglass.com/images/chillpillsbig.jpg


Just don't overdose on those or you'll be chillin for ever.

Some1 10th November 2002 09:36

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Originally posted by SSJ4_Gogitta
Some1:

http://www.nastyglass.com/images/chillpillsbig.jpg

Never!!! I shall not rest until society lies eviscerated and lifeless at my feet...then I will take a quick nap, and then I will make sure that whatever springs up to take its place is indeed better than that which it is replacing.

smeggle 10th November 2002 11:14

I'd have to go with the use of sound.Not necesarily the use of lyrics.I tend to try and listen through the tonal ranges rather than what the words are describing/saying.
I find that most of whats been said in songs has been said so tend towards more instrumental sound.
A concept on Rave which emerged in the mid to late 80's,Is the amalgamatiom of all sound into a collective form.The different 'Genre's' this has spawned I tend to ignore,as it is the interconnection of the sound that interests me.
Sound can be used to trigger many emotions,we see this in movies etc all the time.
So For me,I have to be able to feel the sound,if I can't there's something not connecting and that means it is not a sound for me.
It's not necesarily bad music ,It means to me that everyone connects to different frquency's and some are more acceptible to one but not to another,Whereas the vice-versa of that is they,the other person, may not like a sound/s that I like.

Sandman2012 10th November 2002 18:14

Music is about guys in scary clown masks.

I am Jesus 10th November 2002 18:22

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Originally posted by Sandman2012
Music is about guys in scary clown masks.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/art...ot/mainpic.jpg

Close enough?


EDIT; fixed

Sandman2012 10th November 2002 18:24

I said clowns. That looks like a guy in a red x mask. :D

rm' 10th November 2002 18:26

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Originally posted by Sandman2012
Music is about guys in scary clown masks.
Stop being so smart, or I'll be forced to insert a blue crayon in your brain.

Sandman2012 10th November 2002 18:39

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Originally posted by rm'


Stop being so smart, or I'll be forced to insert a blue crayon in your brain.

Why? So you can draw on the metal plate in my head?

meaisl8again 10th November 2002 19:54

I can't remember what book I was reading where this took place between the characters, but here's part of the story, as paraphrased and re-written by me:

Two finely skilled musicians were to play a piece of music of great difficulty. Each played the piece in front of the judges, which were audience members, as one side, and a computer for technical merit as the other side. The first musician was talented, and played the piece perfectly, but couldn't engage the audience. The second engaged the audience, but made technical errors.

The musicians tied, so they had to play another round, this time in front of other professional musicians. Instead of playing individually, they played a duet. Playing together, the first man not only sounded better, but he played the piece perfectly again. The audience and the computer both picked the first man, because of the techinal merit, and the high improvement made. The judges were over-ruled; though, because a panel of professional musicians believed that the second man was the tool that the first man needed.

The book stated that the second man was like a new instrument for the first man. The second man made the first man sound better, like picking up a silver flute, instead of one crafted with extra parts like you would find at the dollar store. Interesting, don't you think?


With that said, I think part of music is the ability to express yourself, and the other part is teaching others to appreciate the beauty of what you create. What good is listening to Bach if the music falls on closed ears? My sister cannot appreciate this, but I'm sure if one of the Backstreet boys managed to learn how to play Bach, she would realize how good the music actually is.

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Is it about the aural images? The actual sounds? Harmony? Polyphony? Melody? The theory? The sound?
Great music has survived throughout time. Notice I said great. The crappy music (if there is such a thing), created by stablehand #3 isn't remembered, because the cost of remembering that music is too much for the human to spend on something that "worthless." I think the same thing will happen. While there will be people who remember stupid songs, I'm sure the 'hit' songs that stink will fade and over time, they will be lost.

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Or is it about the cultural image? Social movements? The political message? The commentary on the human condition? Does talent count? Does the creator of the music have to be down-to-earth and authentic for the music to be good?
Music is what society can appreciate. With more people having access to listen to music, it has become "mainstream." Remember, centuries ago, music wasn't understood by much of the poor class, and was only seen is Mass where pslams, scripture, and prayer were the focal points of the music. Most people didn't have any opportunity to hear or see secular music performed. Now, people have the ability to see and hear the music that they like.

This could be described as progress, or as an approach to mediocrity. Personally, I think that music is meant to be enjoyed, and as long as people like to hear it, it shouldn't be considered a bad thing.


I hope that I answered the question through my incoherent ramblings.

Lots of Love,
Mea


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