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MrSmith 15th September 2003 10:10

Possble Next Filesharng Prog
 
Surely someone should write a filesharing prog that encypts everything a stupid number of times and makes it really hard and slow to track people ? and more importantly doesnt look like it is so trackers get false information ?

just an idea thats probably been done..

Also have all data routed thu the program on other uses PC's say thu 100 or so users all of which dont have the song, if the data was routed via the program, and the source information lost then it would be alot harder to track ? yes it would be slower but i think slower is better than a fine :)

fwgx 15th September 2003 12:13

You mean like WASTE developed by Justin Frankel from Nullsoft who later quit Nullsoft over the affair?

DJHotIce 15th September 2003 12:16

wha wha wha... Justin Gone? I heard about it, but is it true?
didn't get the whole story..

but anywyas, great IDEA!

MrSmith 15th September 2003 12:17

Hmm, i never said the winamp team..... it was just an idea for someone looking for a project

fwgx 15th September 2003 14:35

Read more here: http://www.philybaby.co.uk/news/justinquitsnullsoft.htm

In March 2000, Nullsoft briefly posted a decentralized file-sharing program called Gnutella before it was axed by AOL. But the genie had been set free, and other developers refined the code to create post-Napster file-sharing programs.

Nullsoft's latest creation was a file-sharing program that allowed users to set up secure networks of no more than 50 people.

Within hours of its posting, Waste was deleted. In its place was a notice that said the program had been posted without Nullsoft's permission.

``If you downloaded or otherwise obtained a copy of the software, you acquired no lawful rights to the software and must destroy any and all copies of the software, including by deleting it from your computer,'' the statement said. ``Any license that you may believe you acquired with the software is void, revoked and terminated.''

Frankel, who is called ``Our Benevolent Dictator'' on the Nullsoft site, founded the company in 1998 after dropping out of the University of Utah.

zootm 15th September 2003 18:58

Quote:

Originally posted by Phily Baby
Read more here: http://www.philybaby.co.uk/news/justinquitsnullsoft.htm
if you're gonna put so much effort into imitating a news website, at least obscure the fact it's hosted on your site, phily...

Mr Jones 15th September 2003 19:02

And to keep the record straight , Justin didn't quit Nullsoft and is still actively developing new versions of Winamp and other tasty goodies.

k_rock923 15th September 2003 20:07

i'd love a program like that. if anyone writes it ill be first in line to download it. not that ill be able to download that much with my 56k modem and all

mikm 15th September 2003 20:10

...like AVS. There was an article toady in the New York times about various filesharing programs that encrypted and whatnot. To access them, you had to know their code-name though.

DJHotIce 15th September 2003 21:03

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Jones
And to keep the record straight , Justin didn't quit Nullsoft and is still actively developing new versions of Winamp and other tasty goodies.
Thanks Mr Jones, that really helped me out... Justin quitin would be a catastrophy much like urmmm I dunno

Nullsoft = winamp
winamp = Justin
thus
Justin = Nullsoft

you remove Justin Nullsoft just plain doesn't exist!

fwgx 15th September 2003 21:20

Quote:

Originally posted by zootm
if you're gonna put so much effort into imitating a news website, at least obscure the fact it's hosted on your site, phily...
Shurrup. someone in ******* asked me to host it because they too couldn't be arsed to register at the NYT site. so I opend the page saved it and upped it :P.

I never knew that Jonsey, I thought he'd gone. Oh well good news I suppose. Woulda been better if he'd quit and then developed a new version of WASTE with no AOL baggage :).

killswitch1968 16th September 2003 00:12

My thoughts:
 
The best file sharing program will have:

1. Superb indexing - ability to retrieve results quickly and globally.
2. Decetralization - obvious, and prevents the network from falling.
3. Hashing - unique fingerprinting of every file to prevent fake files.
4. Anti-leech method - SOME type of unhackable method of preventing leechers.
5. Multiple File Types support
6. No form of adware/spyware/anything


Content is also important, but you need a good prog before anyone will come. It's the network that is important. There are other minor things like bandwidth throttling, skins, etc., but the above are very imporant.

k_rock923 16th September 2003 00:55

hey killswitch, does ur alias have anything to do with the band killsiwitch engage?

baafie 16th September 2003 10:40

Re: My thoughts:
 
Quote:

Originally posted by killswitch1968
The best file sharing program will have:
1. Superb indexing - ability to retrieve results quickly and globally.
2. Decetralization - obvious, and prevents the network from falling.
3. Hashing - unique fingerprinting of every file to prevent fake files.
4. Anti-leech method - SOME type of unhackable method of preventing leechers.
5. Multiple File Types support
6. No form of adware/spyware/anything

7. Anonymity

Cylob 16th September 2003 10:47

What is a leecher? Is it someone who downloads and gives nothing in return? Or is it someone that does share but downloads 10 tracks at a time?

killswitch1968 16th September 2003 15:36

Quote:

Originally posted by k_rock923
hey killswitch, does ur alias have anything to do with the band killsiwitch engage?
None at all, I don't like hardcore.

Anonymity would be a plus but it's almost impossible. Even the trendy file sharing programs like ES5 and filetopia are not anonymous, just trickier.

killswitch1968 16th September 2003 15:38

Quote:

Originally posted by Cylob
What is a leecher? Is it someone who downloads and gives nothing in return?
Downloads but doesn't upload.

Kazaa fails many of these points. It's indexing isn't global and for 3 million users it doesn't have very good content. It doesn't have hashing and has spyware. It's anti-leech system is easy to hack as well.

s1138 16th September 2003 16:31

i hear waste is quite nice if you know people who have lots of stuff to share :rolleyes:

Cylob 16th September 2003 20:28

Quote:

Originally posted by killswitch1968
Downloads but doesn't upload.
Then let's burn the leachers!!!

The ultimate music-sharing package did exist (Audiogalaxy). The sadness.

Dude189ce 16th September 2003 20:54

http://waste.2mbit.com
download waste
there was an article about it in October's Popular Science
it doesn't take long to download

godoncrack 16th September 2003 21:56

but its useless if you don't know other people using it

baafie 16th September 2003 22:20

Start your own network and invite your friends, then..

DJHotIce 16th September 2003 22:27

bammy!

Cylob 17th September 2003 08:09

I'd be interested in using Waste (for those legal songs and roms).
:)

However, you'd have to be able to trust the other networkers.

fwgx 17th September 2003 09:56

More likely they have to trust you as they probably already trust each other ;).

Cylob 17th September 2003 09:58

I don't even trust myself. :)

fwgx 17th September 2003 13:25

Good luck then ;) :P.

Cylob 17th September 2003 14:59

I could have an exlcusive p2p network of just 1 person then. Though there won't be a great deal of file sharing.

duh 18th September 2003 21:07

what the hell, i thought you weren't suppose to post links to waste


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