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mopeder 5th May 2004 15:17

Arabs deserve apology from Bush!
 
I think that it's a disgrace that the U.S. military would be involved in mistreating and harrassing the Iraqi prisoners in the way that they have. I've seen the nude pictures on TV and I think it's sick and perverted of our soldiers. I know that other countries mistreat their prisoners, the U.S.A. is supposed to uphold higher standards than that. More than likely the U.S. military knew what was happening, and decided to overlook the abuses. I also was listening to a man on the News they were asking if Saddam was being cooperative, and if he had been telling them what they wanted. The man said No, but we'll keep on working on Him. He didn't say they were torturing or mistreating Saddam, but I got the impression that they would torture Him if they thought it was necessary. I hear that George W Bush is going on Arab TV to discuss this situation. I think since Bush makes such a big deal about being commander and chief that he should accept responsibility and apologize to the Arabs. I don't think this abuse of their people will make them hate the U.S.A. any more than they already do. It just seems to validate their view that America is a sick, perverted, immoral country, and in this case rightly so.
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ElChevelle 5th May 2004 15:30

Firstly, an apology shouldn't be directed at Arabs. It needs to be directed at the individuals who were humiliated, offended and, YES, tortured. A separate apology should then be given to the Iraqi people which we are there to liberate not place in fear for their lives of our seemingly renegade forces. A third apology must then be given to the remainder of humanity, for there should exist no sector which has the power to render such inhumanities over others.
Bush hasn't the morality to render such apologies and will say that it was bad.....bad, a no-no and then say the word "prevail" for the umteenth thousandth time followed by the word "nukular":igor:

Fickle 5th May 2004 15:32

I have an idea, lets reward the prisoners and punish the stupid troops by getting everybody else back here as swiftly as possible, and leaving them there.

Raz 5th May 2004 18:12

People only give a shit when it's in their favourite newspaper. Prisnors of war have always been tortured, obviously it's not condoned but it happens. And there's no public outcry then.

Loveless 5th May 2004 18:58

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Arabs deserve apology from Bush!


Only 7? And yet I'm sensing a theme...

NJK 5th May 2004 19:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Loveless
Profile For mopeder

Date Registered: 05-01-2004
Status: Junior Member
Total Posts: 7 (1.71 posts per day)
Last Post: 05-05-2004 10:17 AM
Arabs deserve apology from Bush!


Only 7? And yet I'm sensing a theme...

politics?

first posts in the frensh traitor thread and now this one.

if you are so into politics you should join the volunteers for either Bush or Kerry and go out on the streets giving away flyers to people ( so the earth can get more poluted)

Xerxes 5th May 2004 19:49

This sort of thing would be better put in the Breaking news forum.

All future posts of this nature I will be moving there.

ElChevelle 5th May 2004 19:49

I don't have a problem with someone devoting their posting energy in politics. There were a few who spent all their energy in my "Thong of the day" thread.

Loveless 5th May 2004 21:15

Quote:

Originally posted by Xerxes
This sort of thing would be better put in the Breaking news forum.

All future posts of this nature I will be moving there.

How so? It is not news, it is an opinion about news. (Perhaps you've been watching too much FOXNEWS.)

At any rate, (despite my being annoyed by the tone of these posts) the only way it deserves placement in the breaking news forum is if it were merged with a topical thread already extant. It (and the other posts by this user) certainly doesn't qualify as a notification of news.

This stance looks especially bad in relation to your own politics, and is not really a reaction I expected from you. Perhaps you should merely limit the thread-starter to a single opinion thread of U.S. (President) bashing?

Just my opinion. Whatever. I'm off to look for some horribly, tackily mis-placed thread that no one cared to move. Oh wait. The first page of GD is ripe with them...

MidnightViper88 5th May 2004 23:59

Didn't he already make an annoucement to the Arab world or something?

Sandman2012 6th May 2004 00:24

The only way Bush would apologise to the Arab nations would be in this unlikely scenario:

Bush: "Hello? Middle East? I know you probably don't want to talk to me, but as part of my recovery through World Leaders Anonymous I'm working twelve steps that will help me to be a whole human being again. One of the steps is to make amends for past wrongs so I'd like to say I'm sorry for how I treated your nations..."

Middle East: "Grab him!"

Loveless 6th May 2004 00:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Sandman2012
The only way Bush would apologise to the Arab nations would be in this unlikely scenario:

Bush: "Hello? Middle East? I know you probably don't want to talk to me, but as part of my recovery through World Leaders Anonymous I'm working twelve steps that will help me to be a whole human being again. One of the steps is to make amends for past wrongs so I'd like to say I'm sorry for how I treated your nations..."

I assume you left out the hem-hawings, stammerings, repetitions of jargon, presumptuous colloquialisms, inappropriately dismissive/inclusive physical gestures and dialectal permutations for the sake of convenience. Correct?

Namelessv1 6th May 2004 00:55

Re: Arabs deserve apology from Bush!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mopeder
More than likely the U.S. military knew what was happening, and decided to overlook the abuses.
How so? Aren't six of the soldiers are already facing criminal charges with more to come? Hasn't the US Army launched 2 separate investigations into this matter?

I fully agree that the acts were utterly dispicable, but keep in mind, this doesn't represent a majority of the American troops in Iraq.

dlinkwit27 6th May 2004 20:48

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Bush Sorry for Abuse of Iraqi Prisoners
WASHINGTON (May 6) - President Bush apologized Thursday for the abuse and humiliation of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. soldiers, saying the scenes of mistreatment had made Americans ''sick to our stomachs.''

A day after he stopped short of apologizing, Bush told Jordan's King Abdullah II: ''I was sorry for the humiliation suffered by the Iraqi prisoners and the humiliation suffered by their families.


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''I told him I was as equally sorry that people seeing those pictures didn't understand the true nature and heart of America,'' Bush said, standing in the Rose Garden alongside Abdullah.

The president's statement went beyond his comment Wednesday that the abuse of prisoners was ''abhorrent'' and ''does not represent the America that I know.''


"I was sorry for the humiliation suffered by the Iraqi prisoners..."
-President Bush

His lack of an apology Wednesday was striking, and his spokesman said later that the president was sorry. Bush gave voice to that sentiment Thursday.

Scenes of mistreatment have been broadcast around the world, drawing international condemnation and prompting outrage in the Middle East. Bush said he discussed the pictures with Abdullah.

Bush said he told the king: ''Americans like me didn't appreciate what we saw, and it makes us sick to our stomachs.

''I also made it clear to his majesty that the troops we have in Iraq who were there for security and peace and freedom are the finest of the fine.''

For his part, the king said, ''We're all horrified by the images'' of torture and abuse.

He said he was confident that American investigations would find the guilty parties. The abuse by some soldiers ''doesn't reflect the morals and values'' of the United States, Abdullah said.

Describing a meeting he had Wednesday with Rumsfeld, Bush said, ''I told him I should have known about the pictures and the report'' done by the Pentagon two months ago. The president said he had assured Abdullah that ''people will be brought to justice in a way commensurate to how our system works.''


05/06/04 14:22 EDT
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billyvnilly 8th May 2004 05:59

...and then when he stepped down, his press sect. stepped up and apologized to the iraqi people. A member of the press asked why didnt the president say it? The press sect. snapped at that reporter...The president had no intention of apologizing to the iraqi people...but hey his approval rating is slightly up, so go fucking republicans! yay! maybe Kerry will apoligize on behalf of Bush.

InvisableMan 8th May 2004 07:42

funny how you never see the pictures of the american solders with their knees and crotches and heads shot off. i can show them to you if you wish, but the communist news network (cnn) and all of the other shitty news channels and the useless facist media says they are too "graphic" and yet will show these lame half-doctored pictures 24 hours a day. why does noone talk about what happens to OUR soldiers, or what happens to the iraqi civilians when they get bombed by a 12 year old with a armour hotdog vest? this is not fucking torture. this is a little humiliation. fuck those prisioners and above all fuck the arab community's outrage. i'm not saying the soldiers should get off without a hitch, but the only mistake they made was taking pictures of it.

gaekwad2 8th May 2004 09:43

Did it ever occur to you that maybe it's your beloved government that doesn't want these pictures to be shown, like they didn't even want to allow to show pictures of the soldiers' caskets?

But yeah, it's probably all a communist conspiracy.

And it seems like I have to costantly repeat that our governments and armies are not supposed to act like terrorists!

ElChevelle 8th May 2004 12:41

Yea, like we can have 'nukular' weapons but no one else can.

van der graaf 8th May 2004 20:46

Quote:

Originally posted by InvisableMan
funny how you never see the pictures of the american solders with their knees and crotches and heads shot off. i can show them to you if you wish, but the communist news network (cnn) and all of the other shitty news channels and the useless facist media says they are too "graphic" and yet will show these lame half-doctored pictures 24 hours a day. why does noone talk about what happens to OUR soldiers, or what happens to the iraqi civilians when they get bombed by a 12 year old with a armour hotdog vest? this is not fucking torture. this is a little humiliation. fuck those prisioners and above all fuck the arab community's outrage. i'm not saying the soldiers should get off without a hitch, but the only mistake they made was taking pictures of it.
It is because WE claim to hold ourselves to a higher moral level, that is why...because we are hypocrites, that is why, because Bush said we went into to IRaq, in large part, to stop such practices by the Iraqis, that is why.
:weird:

squakMix 8th May 2004 20:57

...I dont know if all of you know this, but bush DID apologize to the Iraquies (sP) recently in a speech.

MidnightViper88 8th May 2004 21:19

Quote:

Originally posted by MidnightViper88
Didn't he already make an annoucement to the Arab world or something?
I'm 3 days ahead of you... :p


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