John Kerry is a truly patriotic American hero!
 

To call Senator John Kerry a traitor for opposing the Vietnam war maligns millions of Americans who protested the Vietnam war in the 1960s-70s. Not only that, but it directly contradicts the FBI's own files on John Kerry's anti-war activities following his distinguished service in the U.S. Navy in Vietnam. The FBI files, which were recently released, describe Kerry as a "voice of moderation" in the anti-war movement. This was the FBI of J. Edgar Hoover, the same FBI that inflitrated anti-war groups and pushed them toward militancy, and their conclusion was that Kerry was a "moderate. Not a flag-burning Communist who went to North Vietnam to pledge his allegiance to the Communists. Instead, Kerry was a very patriotic American who went before Congress and testified that the war was a lost cause, and that Americans were dying everyday for a war that two presidents had seen as unwinnable. The war also happened to have been unjustified and unjust. The U.S.A. obliterated over a million Vietnamese in order that the "dominoes" of Cambodia and Laos would not fall to the International Communist Conspiracy. President Dwight "Ike" Eisenhower announced that free and direct elections would be held in Vietnam in 1956. Those elections never took place, but within a generation, almost two million Vietnamese, untold thousands of Laotians, and hundreds of thousands of Cambodians would be dead, alongside 58,000 American soldiers. So Kerry is a traitor for fighting bravely and admirably for his country, while Bush is an American hero for joining the National Guard to avoid being sent to Vietnam and shirking his duty while in that service. Only a warped logic could produce that perspective.

It seems you hve the uncanny ability to come up with posts that don't make sence in the context you put them in.

Take a look at your thread about hating the French, nobody says anything about that subject, and here you come with the answer. Same thing applies here.

Please put brain in gear before answering imaginary posts.

:rolleyes: yet another similar thread by mpeder :rolleyes:

A very admirable post. But, as with the above, why here, why now?

Kerry has also flip flopped on every issue from the War in Iraq to the Patriot Act to NAFTA. What's your point?

It's quite obvious that both candidates in the 2004 Presidential election are quite dubious. The only people that are questioning his service in Vietnam are obviously motivated by partisanship, so I don't see the purpose of your post.

Wow...He's served in Vietnam...

That's nice, but that seems to be the only thing Kerry has to back himself with in the Electorial race, and even those merits have flopped like everything else he's said...

Just because you're a war veteran doesn't make you a likely candidate for President (Bob Dole, anyone?) :rolleyes:

It still bests anything W has to offer.

It's well known that the Bush Basher Crowd was mobilized,
stating they were gonna flood internet forums with their hatred for Bush,
and support for "anyone but Bush", no matter who it is.
It seems to me this thread, and many like it lately, are part of that plan.

But what they can't see through their hatred for Bush,
is that this "anyone but Bush" campaign yeilds a weak choice,
instead of a legitimate person who can lead this country.
And these "anyone but Bush" people are now forced on the defensive,
to defend all and everything negative about their choice.
With this "anyone but Bush" attitude, they would support Pee Wee Herman,
and find nothing wrong with anything he did, if he were the candidate.
But they'd still be forced to defend all and everything he's done.
In other words, they just aren't thinking clearly.
Which is very sad, because I'm looking
for someone who I CAN vote for other than Bush.
But the idiot's on the left have given me no choice at all.

At least people can understand what Pee Wee says.

Pee Wee Herman would be a much better choice than any of the crooks that are running.

i wouldn't mind an honest politician. chev for president.:D

Yeah, but Kerry is just "the guy who isn't Bush."

it's a bit of a bummer, eh? americans are now forced to choose between a clearly immoral person, mr. generic, and someone who appears morla but has no chance of winning.

screwed?

so papadoc, you're going to vote for Bush? So he's actually less bad than monotonic Mr Kerry?

you mean the "marginally less right", if you're talking about the democratic party.

they're far from left-wing (unless you're talking relatively, in which case they're still barely centre).

Kucinich: 87%
Kerry: 81%
Bush: 6%

john kerry left his vietnam tour 6months early bc he receive 3 minor flesh wounds (two did not suspend him from duty, the 3rd had him in bed for 1 day) (3wounds=3purple hearts=go home) But this is still way better than bush.

john kerry is a wimp

Kucinich 93%
Kerry 80%
Bush 0%

<3 those games!

Kucinich 70%
Kerry 64%
Bush 32%

oh god i hope kerry wins

i don't care who wins any more. but i hope the next guy will do some good.

Then you don't want it to be Bush.

At least americans do have primaries.

If they'd adopted the european way of doing this the choice would probably be Liebermann vs Bush.

No, I haven't decided yet who I'm gonna vote for.
Bush's been slowly loosing my vote for some time now,
but Kerry hasn't done anything to win it yet either.
Events that neither have control over in the next few months,
and the debates, will help me more to choose,
than all this bullshit we're going through right now.

The idiot's on the left are the far left wing
who're controlling the Democratic Party.
It's depressing to see so much hatred,
from a party that used to exemplify the opposite,
a party I used to be proud to be a member of.

to be fair, i still think that the democratic party are far from left wing. they have barely any left-wing policies at all.

Kucinich: 79%
Kerry: 78%
Bush: 11%

errrr.... something's not right here, personally i think kucinich is a big idiot from the debate's i've seen....

howcome can i get the highest rating with him??? :weird:

think about the opposition.

If it was between Bush and Kicinich, and i was an american, i could in all honesty say; i'd vote Bush anytime....

If that man wins the election the global economy would not only slow down significantly, it would crash completely..... im quite fond of my job thank you!

Kerry seems perfectly satisfactory to me, and anyway, it's gotten to the point where I'd take Mr. Ed over Bush.

i want a president that won't raise taxes on gas or anything. kerry wants to raise taxes on gas. i'm gonna vote Bush.

you want a president who can't fucking add?

that's fine. with. me.

Isn't 4 years of hearing "prevail" over and over and the word "nukular" enough?

I'm tired of being embarassed and ashamed of my country.

Bullshit. Kerry suggested something about a gas tax during a discussion ten years ago, and never mentioned it again-- and that's the basis of this huge advertising campaign. Meanwhile, Bush is running up deficits, which are eventually going to weaken the dollar, and that will result directly in a huge increase in gas prices.

You're being lied to.

democrats want to raise taxes, everybody knows that. i don't have a job yet.

do they want to raise that tax specifically?

that is a narrow, irresponsible factor to base your vote solely upon. is that the biggest differentiation between the two parties?

that's what i've heard. haven't confirmed it yet though.

and that's really the only issue you care about?

And is it the fault of the democrats that you don't have a job? The countries with the highes taxes in the world (Scandinavian countries mainly) are in my opinion the countries where misery is lowest. There is not such a massive gap between the rich and the poor and if you don't have a job, you get benefit money and the government helps you find a job. So you have no excuse. People abuse the system, sure, but it seems to me better than in any other country. Higher taxes :up:! And the average household lives pretty damn comfortably, so the system works.

Were things better with Clinton or Bush? I never heard of Clinton raising taxes to astronomical heights.

ertmann will back that up in a second. his country is an example of these things working.

it's a different mindset though. regardless of how good it would make american society, people would still complain non-stop, as it's not their vision of the "american dream".