PCI-Express is out today!
 

Went to Fry's Electronics yesterday and saw PCI-Express motherboards from Abit with my own eyes. LGA-755 Socket, Intel 925 Chipset, 1 16x PCI-Express port, 3 1x PCI-E ports, 2 PCI ports, 4 SATA ports, and HD 24-bit audio standard. The board was $160. Kool. Can't wait for AMD boards.

Fuck dude, I seen your post like at 10:00am, here it is almost 12 hours later without a response...That's fucked up.

But ya, i'm totally stoked on this news. The last complete system I bought was a first gen p4 1.4 with rdram. Walked into fry's, intel had this demo of Q3 runnin, and I said "SOLD!"

Well AGP is pretty old now. I heard about PCI express like a few months/year after I bought my system and made myself this promise.

I'm not spending any money on a new system until these 2 conditions are met.

Doom 3
Pci express

Well that's one out of two.

I got an e-mail from Alienware today about PCI Express, saying they already have systems out now with them in it. That and DDR2 memory.

PCI Express technology is fairly old and I'm pretty annoyed that they are using it. PCIX and other faster technologies have been developed, why not start from latest/fastest technology first instead of this sales crap. Speaking of sales, why the f*ck would companies stop producing DDR400 ??? Grr, I know DDR2 is out but atleast think of the sales being missed from millions of users that don't have DDR2 motherboards!!!

<noob> What the heck is PCI Express? </noob>

Its a new type of Slot on your Motherbord, it works faster than the old one. - the most basic explination

oh yeah, I remeber reading about it now. But what’s the point, I read that the newest Radeon cards are still using Agp slots.

It'll probably be another year before I get a new computer. Hopefully by then, PCI-E will be popular, video cards will all be native PCI-E, 64-bit processors will be widespread, and there'll be a 64-bit OS to go along with them.

I might just end up building my next computer, too.

I may be mistaken here, but isn't there a Windows XP 64-bit Edition? I thought I saw it reading one of those security bulletins on Microsoft's website.

I hadn't heard of it. I've never been known to be ahead of the game, though. :p I remember reading somewhere that a 64-bit edition of XP was in the works, but I didn't think it was out in anything other than beta form.

The other way around. PCI-X has a bandwidth of 1GB/s but can only operate at 1GB/s if the bus is not shared. That means that if you use 3 PCI-X cards you have successfully devided your 1GB/s bandwith into 333.33MB/s. But if you were using PCI-Express, those 3 PCI-Express 1x slots will still be 1GB/s, making it 3GB/s total. And that doesn't take anything away from the 16x slot. Another disadvantage of PCI-X is it's price. It's so god damn expensive. PCI-E can be priced low enough to replace PCI and not cost hundreds of dollars.

It's a sales thing, I read this article from Ati themselves saying that PCI-E would be much cheap in progression to make...hypocrits.

Well, now I think I'll wait at least one year or more to make some changes on my pc ... I'll let these new stuff come to market, get prices down, have more support among OS, hard and software ... my Athlon XP 2400 is good for now ... :)

I'm going to wait too. I want to wait until they make SATA raid cards that connect to PCI-E.

i just built a new system in january, so i'll wait till i cant play new games at a decent level of quality, or its just too irresistable...

but pci-e is quite an exciting development. Certainly one of the biggest (64-bit and ddr2 being the other biggies)

When are the next speeds of SATA being released?

microsoft hasnt developed windows 64 bit yet, because they have to get xp sp2 and server 2003 sp1 done first.
I built my pc last august. (when sata was twice the cost of an ata drive) My curent requirements for an update:
Pci express (check)
64-bit OS
sata (check)
PCI express native graphics card
DVD blue laser
64 bit intel chip

Many Linux distros have 64-bit versions.

As stated here:http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=2091&p=2building a top of the line computer will be harder than ever.

I can't really see why anone would need PCI Express just yet unless you're going to fill your computer with really fast SCSI disks. For most people the most work the PCI bus gets is playing sounds whilst running a network game or running Azurerus whilst listening to sounds. For the common PC user there is no point in them upgrading at all because there just aren't the applications around to use the newly available bandwidth. But if you're running a server with loads of fast disks or stuff it full of Gbit network cards or something, then a bit more of the bandwidth will be used - but certainly not all.

graphics cards are allready very restricted by the agp bus.

Way /i heard the 64bit XP is out - remember when one of the new worms came out you had to choose wether you had 32bit or 64bit[?] Most have 32 but 64bit XP OS is about far as I know. I know they definately have it in there server technology...

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The next SATA will be 300MB/s will be released sometime in 2005. Porbably Q2. It will be called SATA 2. That's a long wait, that's probably when the server world will start to get serious about SATA because it's speed so closely matches U360 SCSI and it supports command queing.

Video editors and Servers are the only people that will make actual use of the 300MB/s + + + SATA 2.0 bandwidth in raid mode and globs of PCI-Express bandwidth. As of today, it takes at least 4 hard drives in RAID-0 to edit video in real time. SATA2 will make it cheaper, assuming hard drives can read/write as fast as it's bus.

There's a beta Windows XP 64. I'd put the link here, but I'm too lazy.

I doubt it. AGP 8x is about 2GB/sec, while DDR400 will do 3GB/sec.

Bah, maybe I'm wrong. Still, a X800 PCI-E card would be very nice, though I don't think they exist (yet?).

Another thing that most people don't realize is the speed of their hard drive.

That's why I'm a huge fan of SATA and RAID. My SCSI RAID used to be the fastest shit on the planet just last year. Now SATA packs most of SCSI's features plus.