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Russ 8th November 2004 23:07

Was Darwin Wrong?
 
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:D

cyu 8th November 2004 23:08

:igor:

ryan 8th November 2004 23:08

Nice :D

SSJ4 Gogitta 9th November 2004 00:32

I want the map... Haven't had a good map of the world in a long time.

aFfLiCtEd 9th November 2004 00:36

I'm tempted to say that it's "just" a theory.

mikm 9th November 2004 00:48

A theory with enough credible evidence that every (afaik) accredited university in the country supports.

aFfLiCtEd 9th November 2004 00:55

lol . . . I was quoting line 6&7 of the article.

squakMix 9th November 2004 00:57

hah, nice Russ :up:

mikm 9th November 2004 01:03

Quote:

Originally posted by aFfLiCtEd
lol . . . I was quoting line 6&7 of the article.
Ahh...missed that

S-uper_T-oast 9th November 2004 01:41

Quote:

Over 98% of practicing biologists believe in the basic principles of neo-Darwinian evolution, but over 76% of Americans disagree.
http://www.evolutionexperiment.com/

Damn I hate my country sometimes...

Mattress 9th November 2004 04:45

I think it's a bad argument to compare the theory of evolution and the theory of relativity. Relativity is a mathematical formula that equations can be run amd then the results can be tested in an experiment. Or is that wrong?

Evolution is a theory about the origin of life on this planet, there aren't any numbers to run, there's no equation to plug it into and then test the results, like if life started on x billion years BC and evolution occurs at a rate of y, and extinction occurs at a rate of z then we could run that equation and get the number of different species that should exist on the planet today. right?

I'm not saying evolution is wrong, I'm saying it's a poor comparison.

or are there equations that can be run using the theory of evolution?

Jaak 9th November 2004 04:55

Quote:

Originally posted by Mattress
I think it's a bad argument to compare the theory of evolution and the theory of relativity. Relativity is a mathematical formula that equations can be run amd then the results can be tested in an experiment. Or is that wrong?

Evolution is a theory about the origin of life on this planet, there aren't any numbers to run, there's no equation to plug it into and then test the results, like if life started on x billion years BC and evolution occurs at a rate of y, and extinction occurs at a rate of z then we could run that equation and get the number of different species that should exist on the planet today. right?

I'm not saying evolution is wrong, I'm saying it's a poor comparison.

or are there equations that can be run using the theory of evolution?

imho relativity is much harder to proove that evolution, because relativity doesnt make sense when distances are very small, that where string teory comes in, but thats another subject and discussion.
For me evolutions has be pooven enough, already comparing DNA-s of spicies is proof enough... if your not familiar with darwn theory you really should read about it, it makes a lot of sense.
I cant think how somebody could possiby believe in sucha *cough*bullshit as creational evolution, ofcourse 'merica is quite a surprising country :p

Now i better run now, late to school :confused:

shakey_snake 9th November 2004 05:09

Was Darwin Wrong? As a Christian I can say no.
But then again, Darwin never said anything about the evolution of all spieces from a primordial soup.
Darwin wouldn't recognize his theory today. But then again, Darwin was a priest, not an atheist.

Mattress 9th November 2004 05:16

As any physicist will gladly tell you the universe goes toward entropy and disorder.

fwgx 9th November 2004 06:28

LOL shaky_snake and Mattress. Perhaps some study of closed systems, synchronisation in nature, complex systems and perhaps evolution would mean you didn't make yourself look foolish in the future.

ShyShy 9th November 2004 06:35

Quote:

Originally posted by shakey_snake
Was Darwin Wrong? As a Christian I can say no.
But then again, Darwin never said anything about the evolution of all spieces from a primordial soup.
Darwin wouldn't recognize his theory today. But then again, Darwin was a priest, not an atheist.

You'll have to find a copy of that article, cause it does say that Darwin did study to become a pastor, but after his travels, became an agnostic. But, he never said it outloud cause his wife would've whupped him one. She was a firm church-goer :D

will 9th November 2004 08:47

Quote:

Originally posted by Mattress
As any physicist will gladly tell you the universe goes toward entropy and disorder.
Don't go talking about things you clearly don't understand.

This part of thermodymanics is relating to fact that heat is the most disordered form of energy. And that when energy is transformed from one form to another, some is wasted as heat.

This does NOT refer to the organisation of atoms in beings and planets.

The earth is not a closed system, the sun dumps HUGE amounts of energy on the earth every day.

Widdykats 9th November 2004 11:22

Quote:

Originally posted by S-uper_T-oast
http://www.evolutionexperiment.com/

Damn I hate my country sometimes...

Yep!:D

MagnumOne 9th November 2004 14:49

Was Darwin Wrong..??
 
I Guess You'll Have To Wait And Find Out The Real Truth On Darwin's Theory..100% Factual..

The consideration to that *Fact* is this though.....

You Have To Die First.....LOL!!..Which is always *Too Late*

Or...... Not ;)...Hmmm!! Decisions,Decisions..??

Mattress 9th November 2004 16:08

I was under the impression that matter was a form of energy.

I guess I'm just a big dumb idiot.

will 9th November 2004 16:51

Quote:

Originally posted by Mattress
I was under the impression that matter was a form of energy.

I guess I'm just a big dumb idiot.

Matter is a form of energy, but the organisation of matter does not contribute to its entropy. (on the human scale, at least)

Entropy is about ENERGY not evolution.

SSJ4 Gogitta 9th November 2004 17:22

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xzxzzx 9th November 2004 17:43

Quote:

Originally posted by Mattress
As any physicist will gladly tell you the universe goes toward entropy and disorder.
You're right, and eventually the sun will burn out and that will be the end of life on Earth.

hgnis 9th November 2004 18:12

Re: Was Darwin Wrong?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Russ
Was Darwin Wrong?
A walk down any street here will give the obvious answer: YES.

morgado 9th November 2004 20:18

Was he wrong ?! Dunno .. Who am I to tell this. you ppl here have high I.Q. discussions here .... or ...
No, I'm just to tired to try to understand all this ... But nice magazine ! :)

Myxomatosis 9th November 2004 22:12

Yes, Darwin was wrong. Dinosaurs are just a conspiracy to throw us off...;)

S-uper_T-oast 9th November 2004 22:32

Gogitta, that Earth at night picture is really cool looking! :D

toejam07 9th November 2004 22:59

76% of America doesn't believe in evolution? That's crazy! I'm a practicing Catholic and I believe in evolution. Going by what my Theology teacher taught me last year, so does the Catholic Church, at least to an extent. It only contends that God directed the course of evolution and was responsible for the creation of the basic components from which we evolved. The Bible's Creationistic principles are antequated and now really only serve the purpose of teaching about God's love, etc.

However, I can be horribly, horribly wrong on my understanding of Evolution, so please forgive me if that is the case.

Russ 9th November 2004 23:03

Furthermore:

Quote:

Only 37 percent of the polled Americans were satisfied with allowing room for both God and Darwin—that is, divine initiative to get things started, evolution as the creative means. (This view, according to more than one papal pronouncement, is compatible with Roman Catholic dogma.)

toejam07 10th November 2004 00:10

Quote:

Originally posted by Russ
This view, according to more than one papal pronouncement, is compatible with Roman Catholic dogma.
Awesome. I was right. Thank you, Russ.


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