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PrimeToo 28th November 2004 00:30

Internet TV only showing two streams
 
I have tried a clean install + the deletion of the folder it was originally in. I just installed the new version just released, and when I try to use Internet TV, all it shows is two streams. I have tried refreshing, and I do get that "you can only refresh one per minute" thing.

Any idea what to do to fix this?

sankt 28th November 2004 00:36

When you use the directory listing - make sure you do not have anything typed into the search box.

Also, the wait one minute is built into the system so the YP directory wont get pounded with requests from winamp media libraries over and over again from the same clients.

PrimeToo 28th November 2004 00:40

Nothing is in the request box, that was the first thing I checked. Winamp is connecting to the master server, but only reads like 320 bytes, then just exits and shows two streams, Nullsoft Band TV and NTV Broadcast Public Access.

ANy ideas?

buddy_casino 28th November 2004 00:44

same prob, here . . .

sankt 28th November 2004 00:44

Check your Internet TV Rating Preferences.

Open Winamp

> Control P ( Winamp Preferences )
> Click on the Streaming Media Tab
> Go to the Internet TV Rating Preferences section
> Click on the Specify Ratings button
> Set ratings accordingly

PrimeToo 28th November 2004 00:46

Sorry, I have everything to be shown. I really don't think it's a problem with Winamp itself, maybe a problem with the master server.

Thaidisco.net 28th November 2004 00:49

I'm also just get 2 stations listed. Something must be wrong today or we all got banned ;-)

Kind regards
Chris
Thaidisco.net

buddy_casino 28th November 2004 00:49

done...
reading 321 bytes

only 2 streams . . .

sankt 28th November 2004 00:49

Should have checked that first - same results on my end.

Not sure what the problem is.

toqer 28th November 2004 00:50

There's some asshole doing bad thing to the YP atm.

buddy_casino 28th November 2004 00:51

Quote:

Originally posted by t0qer
There's some asshole doing bad thing to the YP atm.
:D :) :D

Thaidisco.net 28th November 2004 00:53

Several services are down....
Radiotoolbox.com also have big probs.

aspdevstudio 28th November 2004 01:00

2 streams
 
Having probs here too.....Only 2 streams showing!
I think something is going on with internet TV....server
More reports, maybe quicker fix!?

B0b 28th November 2004 02:27

The problem is NOT with your Winamp client

The other streams have been removed from the listing server. They will all be back when the time is right. Nothing to worry about.

Jeeper One 28th November 2004 03:03

Hi everyone:

I saw the same thing (two streams in the YP) earlier tonight, yet I got a full listing of radio stations. Then I upgraded to 5.06 and now I get a full listing of radio & TV stations.

Dunno what's goin' on behind the scenes, but it is *wEiRd*

Cheers for now :)

auricom 28th November 2004 03:11

hm...
 
could it be AOL doing stuff to NSV to get back at Winamp Team? or are they facing threats from copyright owners?

B0b 28th November 2004 03:14

Re: hm...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by auricom
could it be AOL doing stuff to NSV to get back at Winamp Team? or are they facing threats from copyright owners?
It's neither, that's a fact.

rockouthippie 28th November 2004 03:29

Yep, the YP video server seems to be fried. I guess it's time for the Winamp coffee rule :-).

D@n9 28th November 2004 03:36

Gllllaaaagh
 
Just my luck, first time I try this Internet TV with winamp and the server list is fried.

HOWEVER if you have any channel URLs in your recent items, access a station via webpage, or type in teh URL into your playlist, if the channel is up, it will work.


It would be fun if one could outpuit a file of some sort with the playloist info in it, or recent items listed, so that this sort of server refesh problem could be avoided...if you had the list to begin with!

Bromont snow dawgs represent.

rockouthippie 28th November 2004 03:47

scvi.net has a limited list of stations.

DJ Egg 28th November 2004 04:13

Do not adjust your sets

Just to confirm... earlier on today, the NTV list server was hit by 400+ fake porn streams which just led to some dodgy website that tried to install spyware shit. As a result, the whole list has been taken down and will reappear when the issue is resolved.

sankt 28th November 2004 04:16

pr0n streams, go figure

A *partial* list of NSV streams can be found here.
www.scvi.net/tvpls.htm

Germ 28th November 2004 05:19

Quote:

Originally posted by buddy_******
:D :) :D
This amuses you?

Inedible Bulk 28th November 2004 06:19

Quote:

Originally posted by t0qer
There's some asshole doing bad thing to the YP atm.
oh ho ho, looks like my idea of an alternative yp isn't so shit now is it

i laugh now

oh yeah and a slight whitelist (currently you're using a whitelist anyway, the nullsoft channels) to make it not totally suck would be nice too.

Jeeper One 28th November 2004 06:44

Hi everyone:

WHY OH WHY do all the REALLY DISHONEST NSV stations out there have to be the ones running PORN?

That said though, in all fairness, people like DLDVS shouldn't really be lumped in with the rest of their so-called "comrades". I'm sure they're taking a hit like everyone else is (except me, who has long since gone the P2P route with StreamerP2P. :) ).

Just a (admittedly wild, far fetched) thought :)

Cheers for now :)

Inedible Bulk 28th November 2004 06:47

I would like to say, in response to Jeeper One, there are some very honest porn streams out there. And not just DLDVDS.

B0b 28th November 2004 06:56

Here is a list of all the streams from earlier this week:

http://energyhosting.com/files/nsv.xml

You can access most of them by copying and pasting the link to the .pls in your browser, like this one:

http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein...e=playlist.pls

Germ 28th November 2004 07:36

Quote:

Originally posted by Inedible Bulk
oh ho ho, looks like my idea of an alternative yp isn't so shit now is it

i laugh now

oh yeah and a slight whitelist (currently you're using a whitelist anyway, the nullsoft channels) to make it not totally suck would be nice too.

oh ho ho ho, your alternative yp would still be subject to the kind of shit he's pulling
I laugh at your stupidity.

Don't fucking suggest a fucking thing to us, you don't know shit.

jant77 28th November 2004 09:05

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeeper One
Hi everyone:

WHY OH WHY do all the REALLY DISHONEST NSV stations out there have to be the ones running PORN?

That said though, in all fairness, people like DLDVS shouldn't really be lumped in with the rest of their so-called "comrades". I'm sure they're taking a hit like everyone else is (except me, who has long since gone the P2P route with StreamerP2P. :) ).

Just a (admittedly wild, far fetched) thought :)

Cheers for now :)

Yeah... I'm also running a few porn streams and I have always went by the rules, and I'm really pissed off with morons like this one popping up millions of bullshit streams...
Anyway, can you tell something more about the StreamerP2P? I have just checked it's site but I'd like to hear your opinions and experiences with it... :-)

bingo 28th November 2004 10:10

Quote:

Originally posted by jant77
Anyway, can you tell something more about the StreamerP2P? I'd like to hear your opinions and experiences with it... :-)
- works pretty good
- runs on Win32 only
- cheap licensing for commercial uses
- viewers should have it installed if you want to reduce your bandwidth usage
- you'll have to tweak the resources to allow

jant77 28th November 2004 10:20

Quote:

Originally posted by bingo
- works pretty good
- runs on Win32 only
- cheap licensing for commercial uses
- viewers should have it installed if you want to reduce your bandwidth usage
- you'll have to tweak the resources to allow

Thanks. And how about peercast, have you tried it or not?

CraigF 28th November 2004 10:41

Over the last few months, an attacker has been creating listings with the intent to exploit internet explorer on the users machine to install spyware. Until this weekend, their effect has been mitigated by repeated bans.

Recently, they upped their game, using a network of drones (possibly aquired as part of the spyware/malware) they were able to maintain listings of approx. 500-600 streams in the yp, all of which were redirecting to his website which served up the spyware.

The YP became bogged down, requests for stream addresses became subject to flood protection which prevented the ban bot from doing its job, and the problem escalated.

To that end, the YP has been altered to serve up a static 2 stream feed for Internet TV until at least monday when appropriate staff can look at a possible solution, along with the relevent security/legal folk looking at taking down the attacker.

While the attackers stream was advertising as porn, they really had no intention of providing any amount of appropriate content, and the porn listings were only to maximize their "audience".

It is unfair to bundle the legit streamers into the same basket. Many streams have been very amicable with regards to rules and changes to the YP and prove that this system can work.

bingo 28th November 2004 10:42

Quote:

Originally posted by jant77
how about peercast
Yes I tried Peercast :
- Win32, Mac, *nix versions
- Winamp's plugin for the listeners or standalone
- difficult to understand what exactly the exe does on your system and not sure what the functions are (I mean that people are relaying your stream only when they decide to do, not only when they listen or watch - this point isn't clear for me)
- very difficult to find information as the community is driven by one broadcaster only (the famous A1KC :mad: ) and if you don't please to him... you can cry alone :D

Jkey 28th November 2004 11:09

hi,
i noticed the winamp tv directory problem a few days ago
i knew i should have come to the forums and reported it
but i guess im just lazy or something!. :D
Thanks craig f for your post i hope it does get sorted. :up:
I agree just become some individual chooses to abuse
the yp,dont assume that all broadcasters who stream porn
are bad too.
For all of us who have stuck within the rules while streaming nsv,todays devolpments are a blow!!!
but i know that eventially the small number of hard working staff at nullsoft will get it fixed.
In regards to using streamerp2p and peercast sankt told me a while back to try p2p, so i tryed both of these and everytime i try to use them my pcs crash.
I tryed with a p4,p3, athlon and duron based pc,but always
had the same problems.
Also i noticed that if you got even one person with a bad connection in tune it messed it up for everyone else!!:cry:
so in the end i put them both to one side for the time being.
streamerp2p would be my first choice but its very ugly
and alot of my "average joe" listeners found it hard to
understand and reported it was not very pretty to look at.

Inedible Bulk 28th November 2004 14:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Germ
oh ho ho ho, your alternative yp would still be subject to the kind of shit he's pulling
I laugh at your stupidity.

Don't fucking suggest a fucking thing to us, you don't know shit.

I know the list isn't just 2 channels, but down now.

And who says my alternative yp would be open to anyone who pings it? I got a PM from this smart 'jant77', who suggested several things, including

Quote:

The streams would not be added automatically, but instead you would need to register and enter your server details (IP and port) and after the registration, you could start the server and tell the directory to add it, it would check if the server is really up, plus it might parse the data from the DNAS html page and include it with the listing. If the stream went down, the listing would be dropped after some time... It's not so unrealistic, however the system would probably also be a target of scammers with no content and activex/popups etc. (the more popular it would be, the more scammer would it attract), so it would have to be monitored both manually and using some automatic countermeasures.
lotta talkin going on there.

But, I like the idea of "register your ips with us before we listen to them", this gives us a way to contact you, and would really slow down spammers. plus id probably implement a limit on ips, you get to use 5 ips until you notify us you get to use more. there would be a little 'captcha' thing so autoregistering would be out of the question. result? 400 fake porn servers take a few hours to put up. Problem solvied.

also if it were to happen, it would not be a problem still, as a static list of 'approved users' would also be available. instead of a dynamic whitelist bogging down the server, a static whitelist doing just fine.

jant77 28th November 2004 16:21

wow, thanks for calling me smart ;-))
anyway, yes, stuff like I've suggested for an alternative yp could work, but I think nullsoft staff is not going to do any major change to their system as they are now probably trying to survive with what they have and not developing new stuff...

onapalehorse986 28th November 2004 20:23

That phony will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes! I miss my internet tv.

cwoodf02 28th November 2004 23:47

Quote:

Originally posted by onapalehorse986
That phony will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes! I miss my internet tv.
Could you possibly come up with a more pointless statement? :rolleyes:

Anyways, does anyone who's actually involved in dealing with this issue have an idea of how long it is likely to take?

Every cloud has its silver lining. Since the list is down, now might be an opportune time to get into some of those streams that are always full.

CraigF 29th November 2004 00:04

Quote:

Originally posted by cwoodf02
Could you possibly come up with a more pointless statement? :rolleyes:

Anyways, does anyone who's actually involved in dealing with this issue have an idea of how long it is likely to take?

work starts on monday. nothing until then. no timescales.

Quote:

Every cloud has its silver lining. Since the list is down, now might be an opportune time to get into some of those streams that are always full.
I had thought the same.

DJ AmPs 29th November 2004 01:43

Sorry to interrupt this thread, but an alternative YP is interesting.

It is possible to redirect YP touches with any OS, quite easily.

On a separate topic, for the sign up thing, just have one of those png images with messed up numbers and letters that a human has to repeat when signing up =). That way bots won't be able to do what was done to the nullsoft YP.


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