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ShyShy 13th December 2004 07:34

Pharmacist denying birth control
 
First off, I could've sworn I had posted a previous article regarding this subject this past summer. So, I'll post it now, and then post another article I just found.

Quote:

News article from Times:
Monday, Jun. 07, 2004
Neil Noesen, a relief *******ist at the Kmart in Menomonie, Wis., was the only person on duty one day in 2002 when a woman came in to refill her prescription for the contraceptive Loestrin FE. According to a complaint filed by the Wisconsin department of regulation and licensing, Noesen refused because of his religious opposition to birth control. He also declined to transfer the prescription to a nearby *******y and refused once again when the woman returned to the store with police. The prescription was filled several days later by the managing *******ist. But Noesen was accused of unprofessional conduct and will face an administrative law judge on June 22. Antiabortion groups are urging Wisconsin officials not to punish Noesen. He and his attorney did not comment.

The Wisconsin case and two similar ones in Texas have prompted fears among pro-choice groups that antiabortion forces are taking their fight to the *******y counter. The American *******ists Association says *******ists should be allowed to refuse to fill a prescription. If they do, however, it ought to be filled by someone else or transferred to another *******y, the group has said. Laws are vague on the subject. But two states, South Dakota and Arkansas, have passed laws that explicitly protect *******ists who refuse to fill birth-control prescriptions on moral or religious grounds. Similar legislation has been introduced in 13 other states. Karen Brauer, who says she was fired by Kmart in 1996 for refusing to fill a birth-control prescription and is now president of *******ists for Life, says such laws are needed. "*******ists are being expected to do things that they do not believe they should do," she says. Counters Gloria Feldt, president of Planned Parenthood: "The question here is whose conscience counts. This is about a woman's most fundamental right of choosing when to have a child."

From the Jun. 07, 2004 issue of TIME magazine
Quote:

The Drugstore War
NEW YORK, Nov. 23, 2004


After Idalia and Jose Moran's son was born by C-section, Idalia Moran's doctor advised her not to get pregnant again for two to three years, and prescribed the pill.

CBS News Correspondent Byron Pitts reports when she went to the *******y, the cashier said, "You know what? I cannot refill them because the *******ist says it's against his religion because it's abortion."

Moran told CBS she was stunned and ashamed.

"I felt really bad, because I thought maybe these are for abortion," Moran said. "I don't know."

Across the country, more and more *******ists are refusing to fill prescriptions for religious reasons.

South Dakota, Arkansas and Mississippi even have refusal clauses on the books. And 13 other states are considering mixing medicine with morality.

At Lloyd's *******y in Gray, La., Lloyd Duplantis believes in prayer.

"God bless the great state of Louisiana, the parish…In the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit…" Duplantis said in a makeshift prayer group in the middle of his store.

And he believes birth control is tantamount to abortion. So, he stocks his shelves accordingly.

"I don’t sell condoms. I don't sell foams. I don't sell creams," Duplantis said. "I don't sell anything to do with contraception."

He said, even if a woman who was the victim of incestuous rape walked in his door after having been prescribed the pill, he wouldn't change his policy.

"I would tell her that I can't prescribe this," Duplantis said.

Few question a *******ist's right to make a moral choice. But doesn't one have a distinct responsibility as a *******ist?

"That's right, and that's what I'm doing," Duplantis said. "There's science supporting my moral decision."

Four out of five Americans disagree with Duplantis. In a CBS News/New York Times poll, 80 percent of respondents said even if *******ists have religious objections to contraceptives, they should not let it interfere with their job.

Just 16 percent think *******ists should refuse to dispense birth control pills on religious grounds if they choose.

Gloria Feldt, president of Planned Parenthood, believes the surge in these cases is as much about politics as it is about religion.

"It's a very ominous trend," Feldt said. "I think the anti-choice right extremists have become emboldened by the current administration in Washington and they feel they are in the political ascendancy."

But Duplantis says he's no extremist, just a Christian businessman.

"I want everyone to have freedom of choice to help them achieve what they want," he said.

In his *******y, he advocates "natural" family planning. He convinced one woman, Stephanie Melacon, to no longer takes birth control pills. She made the decision based on what Duplantis told her about the side effects.

As for Idalia Moran, she eventually got her birth control pills. But she had to drive 30 miles to a different *******ist.

"Being a *******ist…you should leave your religion or whatever aside," Moran said.

It's one debate that will not be put aside quietly.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in657435.shtml
Personally, I don't think it's right for a *******ist to deny birth control. A lot of women who go on birth control, do it not just for preventing pregnancy, but for medical reasons, too. What right does a *******ist have to make that distinction? My best friend in high school had ovarian cysts, and used BC pills to help regulate her periods. Quite a number of gals use it to help with acne.

But, for the sole owner *******ist, if that's how he/she wants the business run, then doctors in that area need to be informed and so do insurance companies.

electricmime 13th December 2004 07:43

*******ists shouldnt be allowed to choose what medicine they give out

if a cop disagrees with a law, does he have the right to not enforce it?

zootm 13th December 2004 09:09

A *******ist who won't fill a prescription is not fit to do their job. It's like a pacifist joining the fucking infantry.

nybergh 13th December 2004 09:22

This post is my latest addition to my

Oh what a Løveli Country -campaign

MegaRock 13th December 2004 10:17

Still trying to figure out how the hell the pill is abortion.

Puzzling.

zootm 13th December 2004 10:20

It stops eggs from sticking to the womb, rather than stopping them being fertilised, I think. So it's like really early abortion.

electricmime 13th December 2004 10:29

Quote:

Originally posted by zootm
It stops eggs from sticking to the womb, rather than stopping them being fertilised, I think. So it's like really early abortion.
but what about the guy who also wont sell condoms?

zootm 13th December 2004 11:34

I don't think they claimed it was abortion, did they? I don't agree with them in any case, was just trying to explain what MegaRock didn't get. :)

mysterious_w 13th December 2004 11:49

If a *******ist refused to sell me contraception I would honestly tell him he was a f****** c*** right to his face, then probably using a vending machine in a pub.

gaekwad2 13th December 2004 13:32

Where's shakey? I feel like beating up someone!

Omega X 13th December 2004 19:48

One of the MAIN reasons why Small Business dosen't become Big business. Just go to Walgreens and leave the loons alone...

Mattress 14th December 2004 00:25

In the case of Mr Duplantis, it is his store and he is allowed to choose what he wants to sell or not sell.

Additionally, I think *******ists should reserve the right not to sell drugs they have moral objections to. But they should be required to forward the prescriptions to another *******y.

squakMix 14th December 2004 00:35

Quote:

Originally posted by Mattress
Additionally, I think *******ists should reserve the right not to sell drugs they have moral objections to.
And why would they have a moral objection to birth control? "Hmm, well, I just want to encourage unprotected sex because, well, even though our world is constantly becoming overpopulated by the day, I just think teenagers should have babies!"

If he has a moral objection to selling birth control then *gasp* dont offer it at your farmacy!

gaekwad2 14th December 2004 00:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Mattress
In the case of Mr Duplantis, it is his store and he is allowed to choose what he wants to sell or not sell.
It's not a store. It's a *******y.

And btw, crap like that only leads to more abortions but why should the self-righteous christian right care?

ShyShy 14th December 2004 01:11

Quote:

Originally posted by Mattress
Additionally, I think *******ists should reserve the right not to sell drugs they have moral objections to. But they should be required to forward the prescriptions to another *******y.
I agree with you on that part to a point ( :D ). With the small business *******ists, he/she can do whatever they want. When the *******ists works for a big chain, then they have to abide those rules. This is where it can get sticky, the bigger company says that you have to dispense all drugs, you say there are some you won't. Big company displines/fires you, you say you've been discriminated against.

Phamarcists and companies need to be up front with each other now. What used to be a private matter of morals may now have to be a standard of employment screening.

shakey_snake 14th December 2004 02:58

Quote:

Originally posted by zootm
It stops eggs from sticking to the womb, rather than stopping them being fertilised, I think. So it's like really early abortion.
Birth control pills, or oral contraceptives, contain hormones that suppress ovulation. During ovulation an egg is released from the ovaries, without ovulation there is no egg to be fertilized and pregnancy cannot occur. There are 2 types of birth control pills -- the combined pill and the Minipill. The combined pill contains both estrogen and progestin, while the Minipill contains only progestin.

The progestin in the Minipill may prevent ovulation; however it may not do this reliably each month. The Minipill works further by thickening the mucous around the cervix and preventing sperm from entering the uterus. The lining of the uterus is also affected in a way that prevents fertilized eggs from implanting into the wall of the uterus. The Minipill is taken every day. You may not have a period while taking the Minipill, if you do have periods that means you are still ovulating and your risk for pregnancy occuring is greater.
http://womenshealth.about.com/od/the...wpillworks.htm

Quote:

Originally posted by squakMix
And why would they have a moral objection to birth control? "Hmm, well, I just want to encourage unprotected sex because, well, even though our world is constantly becoming overpopulated by the day, I just think teenagers should have babies!"

If he has a moral objection to selling birth control then *gasp* dont offer it at your farmacy!

the pill, is not protected sex.

Quote:

Originally posted by gaekwad2
Where's shakey? I feel like beating up someone!
*smack*

squakMix 14th December 2004 03:01

I know, I know - Didnt mean it like it literally means.

meant it stops birth (I know it doesnt stop STDs at all).

Mattress 15th December 2004 06:25

Quote:

Originally posted by gaekwad2
It's not a store. It's a *******y.

And btw, crap like that only leads to more abortions but why should the self-righteous christian right care?

A *******y is a store, why did you even mention this? do you feel a need to find something wrong with every post I make?

If you worked at a sporting goods store but were against gun ownership would you still feel comfortable selling people guns?

xzxzzx 15th December 2004 14:28

Quote:

Originally posted by zootm
A *******ist who won't fill a prescription is not fit to do their job. It's like a pacifist joining the fucking infantry.
Indeed.

deeder7001 15th December 2004 14:49

Quote:

Originally posted by gaekwad2
And btw, crap like that only leads to more abortions but why should the self-righteous christian right care?
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE AGAINST CHRISTIANS? and where do you get your shitty stats from? are you just pulling stuff out of your ass?

ShyShy 15th December 2004 20:12

Everyone just take a deep fucking breath. :squinty:

Damn kids in the sandbox...

whiteflip 16th December 2004 04:57

Quote:

Originally posted by deeder7001
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE AGAINST CHRISTIANS? and where do you get your shitty stats from? are you just pulling stuff out of your ass?
The fact that they push their views on others as law. Its not Christians, Its the Christain right. Very extreem. If you don't want to do your job as a *******ist than don't be a *******ists. The Mormons got it right working in Vegas but not forcing people to not drink or not gamble.

[edit]I never thought I would have "The Mormons got it right..." in any sentence ever. Wow.[/edit]

deeder7001 16th December 2004 05:04

what you are saying is a DAMN stereotype. i don't push my view on others as law or some stupid shit like that. in this forum whenever somebody mentions the word "religion" it's automatically assumed that it's a christian. WHICH IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT. the *******ist could have been hindu or buddist or something else.

you're a dumbass if you think that all christians are the same.

you fucking retards don't know what it is to be a christian.

ShyShy 16th December 2004 05:27

That's it. Thread will be closed.

deeder7001 16th December 2004 05:32

sorry. i'm just not having a good day today.

Jay 16th December 2004 05:35

*locked at thread starter's request.


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