Bush's Agenda to butt heads with Republicans?
 

This is almost too funny and I had to post it. Nothing like a Republican who's agenda is so idiotic he may have to go up against his own party. At a time when Americans are losing jobs quicker than they are being replaced Bush wants to open the floodgates of immigration to illegal immigrants.

President Bush faces a major rebellion within his own party if he follows through on a promise to push legislation that would offer millions of illegal immigrants a path to U.S. citizenship.

Almost no issue divides Republicans as deeply.

To get the guest-worker initiative through Congress, Bush will need to go against the wishes of many Republicans and forge bipartisan alliances. That's what President Clinton did in 1993 to win approval for a free trade agreement with Mexico and Canada, over the objections of a large bloc of congressional Democrats.

The chance seems slim for finding common ground between those in favor of liberalized immigration laws — Bush, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for example — and those who want fewer immigrants, tougher border controls and harsher penalties.

Opposition is strongest among House Republicans.

"In our party, this is a deep division that is growing deeper every minute," says Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. He heads a group of 70 lawmakers who are against easing immigration laws.

Tancredo said Bush's guest-worker proposal is "a pig with lipstick" and will not pass.

Bush asserts that he won valuable "political capital" in the election and intends to spend it. It is not clear how much of that he is willing to spend on the immigration measure.

And gee, why do you think Dubya is doing this?

Bush claimed 35 percent of Hispanic voters in 2000 and at least 40 percent last Nov. 2, according to exit polls. That compares with the 21 percent won by Bob Dole in 1996 and the 25 percent that Bush's father got in 1992.

"We will keep working to make this nation a welcoming place for Hispanic people, a land of opportunity para todos (for all) who live here in America," Bush told the League of United Latin American Citizens last summer.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in663228.shtml

First changing items with abortions thanking the Christian voters, thanked the logging and tiber industries support (a big donator to Dubyua's 2004 campaign) by relaxing logging laws in the national forests but now has to thank the hispanic voters by bringing more workers into a country already hurting for jobs. Gee, who's next on the thank you card list? Thank someone who voted for Bush when these four years are over. Wouldnt suprise me to see Bush as the one who brings the Republican party down.

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Welcome to America. Would you like some of our jobs?

Both parties are falling apart.

Just seems to me that both parties are too busy trying to please everyone EXCEPT the people of this country. Why be so animate about Hispanics? What about the Canadians, Indians, Africans, Portuguese...?

And why when America is struggling to keep the jobs we have in this country do we have a need to bring 'guest workers' into our country in the first place. This is about as assinine as Clintons NAFTA?

Amen to that.

never understood the strong resentment against NAFTA...

the EU's inner market, have been immensely succesfull...

if it succeeds in doing the same with the 10 new member states as it did too Spain, Portugal and Greece - Europe's economic growth is going to be mindblowing the next 10 - 15 years

Boring.../me yawns.

Well, it did help alot of other countries - areas that were not doing too well before. It did nothing to help us however as the value of the dollar continues to drop in comparison to other monetary values. NAFTA is one of those legacies Clinton left that I sure don't like. The other was the DMCA.

I fucking hate Bush.

It is done to please the large corporations who want cheap labor and no complaints. Mexican, Central American and east Asian immigrants are perfect for that. All Bush is trying to please are his "base":
"Some people call you the elites; I call you my base." -- G.W. Bush

Sick really, exporting jobs, importing cheap labor...Aint that America...:igor:

It's my firm conviction that the drop of the dollar has little or nothing to do with NAFTA, it's irresponisble fisical planning from the Republican administration....

Besides, at the moment, the low dollar is a clear advantage of the US, and politicians in Europe and Asia is getting pretty pissed about actually...

The asian economies are financing the US budget deficit, and it's hurting europe's exports as our products are more expensive than yours - because of current dollar price...

All this is probably why Bush and Co are not planning to do anything about it, anytime soon.

Oh, and back on topic - thing is if the countries around the US get's richer it will stop illigal immigration, and boost US exports...

that's what's happening in Europe anyways, and why i strongly support Turkey in the EU - allthough i think the time schedule is unrealisticly optimistic, just accepted 10 poorer new member states - shouldn't chew more than we can swallow...

the EU, US, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand needs to adapt, not fight, production being outsourced to 3rd world countries, cause it's a fight that cannot be won - capitalism at it's finest

Why shouldn't we let them be legalized? After all Latin America let in all of the American refugees when the climate changed and the Nothern Hemisphere was frozen. I mean all we had to do was forgive their debt...

Come on lighten up!

(Oh shit that was a movie, not the news!)

...more immigrants and even less social security. They are either idiots or very evil.

Heh, tell us how you really feel.

Seriously this is a really stupid move. It's basically rewarding the illegal immigrants for breaking the law. Think about how a LEGAL immigrant would feel about this if it passes? They jumped through all of the hoops to enter this country legally and the bastards who just came in and lied to get a job suddenly get rewarded for cheating the system and lying? that's bullshit.

:up:

I don't see any reasonable rational for giving them a shortcut to get legal. I am against this.

As a side note...
Bush's Agenda to butt heads with Republicans?
It brings the thought...
Bush's Agenda to beavis with Democrats?
:D

[bad pun]so. bush is crashing the party? [/bad pun]

He's going to crash the party dressed as Beavis apparently.

Can I keep a few Mexican maids around really cheap?
You know; to make me tamales, clean the place, other odd jobs?

Bush doesn't care about people. Bush cares about Bush.

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"Huh huh, you said bush. Heh heh, you said dick."

Have you ever saw the movie "A Day witout a Mexican"?

Quote:

Bush doesn't care about people. Bush cares about Bush.

You sayd Bush cares about bush. Uh he he he he.

How is it that I hate Bush so much but like bush so much?

A bush by any other name...

;)

I do like being able to answer the question:

"Who runs your country?"

I answer:

"bush".

Q: since they are on work permits and arent technically citizens, do they get minimum wage? Because if they dont get minimum wage that screws americans over (obviously) but if they do get minimum wage, and i was an employer, I would prefer an American citizen who spoke english.

Its not as if the fruit/cotton pickers, garbage collectors, etc. defines the American infrastructure.

(oh crap, forgot about construction...that actually does worry me)

There's a good Maddox rant about this, actually. The point is that when immigrants are paid an identical wage to others, there's no incentive to hire them over domestic workers - the only reason is lack of domestic workers or merit... The "job-stealing" thing goes away :)

they get paid the same as any other workers.

my dad's company had a number of mexican workers who's names didn't match the social security numbers they gave and the company was told by the govt that they had to fire them. so these people get fired, they can't get unemployment but for some reason they can get welfare?? and they don't get deported. WTF?

The law needs to be revamped but the answer isn't to give them all permits.

We're going to need them all if this next generation (which I dub Generation L for lazy) has the low motivation that I'm expecting.

Re: Bush's Agenda to butt heads with Republicans?
 

Further proof of the idiot that is George W. Bush. What does that say about those who voted for him, especially those that were not Hispanic and were not hoping to bring their cousins,etc. into our country? They must have been scared out of their gourds to vote for Bush but he has proven to be the greatest threat to our country. He is for giving away our jobs to Mexicans and other foreigners whether they come here illegally or not,he has gotten us into an unwinnable and expensive and deadly war in Iraq, he has proven unable to get various intelligence agencies to work together in the three years since 9-11(those who doubt me need to read the news), and by being so lax on illegals he is also being lax on terrorists that might enter our country illegally right along with the illegal Mexicans and other illegals from other countries. 9-11 happened because the various intelligence agencies could not or would not work together therefore contributing to America's borders not being secure (not enough border guards is the biggest problem) and therefore terrorists were able to get in America illegally and stay in America illegally until they could attack. In my mind, Bush has done very little to prevent such a thing from happening again and his stance on illegal immigration will ensure that it happens again unless Congress is able to put an end to his idiotic ideas about illegal immigration outlined in your post. Good job.

P.S. Did I say that Bush was a moron? Well, let me say it again in a different way. It would be better for America if a chimp was president. Wait a minute, a chimp is president. God help us.:-)

You are correct. NAFTA did nothing for America and did not do enough to help Mexico since Mexicans are still so darn poor that they are streaming across our borders in droves ilegally every day. Those who do not understand why this is bad need to move to Texas and get an education or at least visit a site like numbersusa.com where they can get an education and know what they are talking about for a change. Seriously. Take care.

Now that was funny. :)

He sure as heck don't care about America or Americans for that matter.

Yes, it is a major lie being told by politicians like Bush that illegals and legals only take jobs that Americans do not want. Nothing could be further from the truth. Heck, I have even heard of legals making more money than I do and still getting all kinds of government benefits that I as an American am not entitled to. I know that on my job the legals get the same pay as me but also get vouchers for houses,cars,education,etc. that I cannot get. America is being run by idiots. Period.

In a Day Without A Mexican, the premise is that if all illegals were deported and our borders were secure against more coming in, then America would not have enough workers to do those jobs. Bullshit. America would have virtually no unemployment rate because all Americans would have a job. They would not only have a job but they would have jobs that pay at least minumum wage because they would be here legally and therefore could demand and expect decent wages. As it now stands illegals are driving down American wages because they will work for less than Americans because they are here illegally and therefore cannot report companies or farms to the government for paying them less than the minimum wage. That movie is nothing more than pro-illegal immigration and pro-big business propaganda. It is trash.

OK, have you got in your daily quota of posts in one sitting, or is there more to come? :igor: :down:

Was it really wise to ask me a question knowing that if I responded I would be further offending you by posting again? :)

It was the fact that you were posting posts one after another that he was meaning, rather than the fact you were posting at all. Try posting one big reply in future, and if you want to add things pretty soon after, use the http://forums.winamp.com/images/edit.gif button :)

I don't see how this hurts us. There is still plenty of room for invention and innovation in this country. The only people this hurts are those who are stagnant and content with the same job for 30+ years. Outsourcing happens due to complex economics which involves low demand for a certain job which means companies pay more then the value that that job brings to the company. I say globalization is a good thing, bring it on, I am ready.

I understand, but he was just asking for a smart remark by coming to me the way that he did. Nevertheless, I will refrain from serial posting in the future. Thanks for the welcome folks. lol :)

No, "that way" is something that is fairly standard around here, so if you want to skip the flame bait label, you need to learn to bite your tongue.

Now what fun would that be? Where I come from, you give as good as you get and try to have fun doing it.:) Now before people go labeling me, I am very respectful of others until they are not respectful of me. Then, I am liable to have a bit of fun with them or if I am angry get downright nasty with them. Nasty is something I have yet to get here. Trust me on that. If someone can't take my responses, then they are the one that needs to learn to be careful and bite their tongue. Good night.