Well flamebait,
Around here, much like real life, you don't "get" respect. You earn it.

Well, you SEEM like flamebait to me so you have yet to earn my respect as well. I give respect to people from the moment I first meet them and only lose respect for them if they do or say something of a disrespectful nature to me. I have definitely been disrespected from the outset in this forum so do not expect me to respect anyone that has disrespected me. That includes you. It amazes me that not even knowing me you think what you say I am defines what I am. The arrogance.

But, if we run off all the Mexicans,
whose going to pick the vegatables and strawberries?
White men and black men won't do it,
either because they think they're above that kind of work
or their just to damn lazy to do it.

I Would Pick Strawberries
 

If I did not have a job I would definitely pick strawberries or vegetables or whatever. What I would try to avoid doing is picking my nose. :) Seriously, I think a lot more Americans than you think would be willing to do those "lowly" jobs if they were jobless and the pay was at least decent. By decent I mean more than what you would get on welfare and enough to live off of. Of course I could be wrong and the country could go to hell in a hand basket without Mexican illegals. I say let's kick them out and see what happens. If it is a disaster then we can let them back in.

Not everyone can be as long winded as I can in one post. :)

I'd rather have legal immigrants working than illegals getting paid under the table. Its too shaddy. Bush was going to do this when he first visited Preisdent Foxx down in Mexico (his mexican speach was very well done) and promised to lossen immigration.

Lets take a look at a few of the worlds closed societies. India back before 1990. Wow what a shit hole. North Korea today. Wow what a crap heap. Afghanistan before our liberation thereof, bull plop. Making it less shaddy to immigrate to America helps America become the best. Thats basically why we are so awesome in the first place.

I'm liking what Bush is doing with his domestic lineup for his second term. Still hate his war stance though.

I heard that. Instead of posting serially and editing ad nauseum, I think I will just try to limit how many posts I make in a short period of time. I can definitely see why some people do not like to see the same name over and over again. It does indeed look like a person went on a posting spree although their total number of posts may not be nearly as high as others who stay on this board. Basically, it seems that people get upset if you have a lot to say in response to a lot of different posts in a short period of time. It seems like they are more interested in how you post than in what you post. That seems kind of silly to me but I will try not to offend folks anymore. Take care.

Why have any immigrants coming here and working jobs when there are Americans that are unemployed that could use some if not all of those jobs? Bosnians and Somalians,legal immigrants, have definitely taken decent jobs away from American citizens on my job. I see your point but things are a little more complicated and less cut and dry than you think. Illegal immigrants may make goods cheaper by requiring cheaper wages than Americans and legals but they also put some Americans and legals out of work. A few legal immigrants is not so bad but a lot of them are bound to put even more Americans out of work or keep them out of work. Your open door policy may be good for many but it will definitely not be good for some Americans such as Blacks and Latinos who commonly though not always need the "lowly" jobs that immigrants, legal and illegal, tend to take. I know this from firsthand experience.

Its to bad that some one from another country can do your job better than you in your own country. Its not outsourcing where you have to compete with cost of living. They come here and have the same playing field but have better abilities at a more competitive sallary. Maybe if Americans stopped bitching organized better and worked harder we wouldn't have such issues.

No one can do my job better than me. That is why I have been doing it for over ten years. I am sure the same can be said for most American workers. By the way, I was not talking about outsourcing. I was talking about legal and illegal immigration. I have no big problem with outsourcing as long as the US government is not subsidizing or giving tax breaks to American companies that do that. Why should the US government help or encourage or reward American companies for putting some Americans out of work? That is what I call insanity and greed and evil. The fact is that the only reason illegals can work for less than Americans is that they have to take whatever they can get. It is no like they can go to the authorities and complain if they are being paid less than minimum wage. The presence of illegals discourages American companies from hiring Americans because they know they would have to pay them more money than illegals. Rather or not Americans would not do as good a job as illegals I do not know. To be truthful, I don't think you really know either. Anyway, as far as legals go I have no real problem with legal immigrants being in America. After all, they went through the process in order to be here. They did the right thing as opposed to sneaking across our borders like thieves in the night. No, if I were to blame anyone for the presence of legal immigrants, it would be the US government. It brings or allows people to come into our country (legally or illegally) with no regard for the fact that they will occupy jobs that some unemployed Americans could have. Oh, and it is not bitching to merely state one's point of view just like it is not bitching if you choose to disagree with my point of view. Try being more respectful next time or I will truly verbally tear you a new one. You feel me? Take care now. ;)

OK, Lets Put this in "Dumb-ass" Language for some of the people who support Bush.

Ok, You are born in america, and grow up in america, and go through the hell of school. All that hard work learning stuff, time to get a job!

You goto get a job, and you get it.

You work at your job for decent money, and you live well, until one day...

You are Handed a Pink slip from your boss, A Mexican Immigrant has come in thanks to Bush's new policy, Since the labor is cheaper, You are Fired.

Well, Thats what you get for Voting for Bush. Paybacks a Bitch aint it?

So according to your scenario,
if I get finished with high school
go to college and pass all the courses I need, graduate,
then take a good paying job,
a Mexican can just walk across the border
and take that job away from me?

Yes. Basically, yes. That is the Way Bush wants it.

Sorry, but I find that hard to believe.
A Mexican with no education or experience
can take a job away from me that I went to college to get.

Well Maybe not a college job, But a high school one.

True that. Illegal immigrants can and have taken jobs away from high school educated Americans. Legal immigrants who are more likely to be college educated can and have taken high paying jobs from Americans. I know of one case in which a legal immigrant came to America and got a good paying job in construction. Not only that, the government continued to give him money for school,a house, a car,etc. This is the kind of stuff that really gets my goat. Bush wants to do so much to help illegal immigrants while there are lots of unemployed or underemployed (underpaid or not full time) Americans that wish he was more concerned about them. Just what is he doing to ensure that all Americans have health insurance? Does anyone know?

People don't go to highschool and college and get degrees to do lawn work or work at walmart or McDonalds and the like.

Is Afghanistan really doing that well now?

Ask yourself this. Is Afghanistan better than it was before we attacked?

You really believe that? Ahhhh.... hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh, shit, that was funny!

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Please stop!

Don't you realize the majority are only taking the jobs we don't want? It takes no education to cut grass, plant bushes, labor on a construction site, etc. What are you worried about?

It takes getting off your arse though. I bet a lot of people would rather live off the government than do something like pick tomatoes.

And whiteflip, to be honest, I don't know.

Yeah, live off the government and bitch about how the Mexicans are taking our jobs! The sad thing is, its true.

Happens in the UK a lot too, and it pisses everyone off as well.

Here's a related article on maddox that sums it well:

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=walmart