Use of streamrippers against DMCA?
 

Besides the fact that all of us that run stations here want to protect our content and playlists, the use of various streamripping software violates the DMCA in some fashion. Right?

I found someone from Germany using "sr-POSIX/1.60.13" according to my sc-server log on my 128k server. After I found out what it was, I immediately kicked and banned his/her IP.

... We all know this ... Please tell us something that we don't know ...


AND

Your post is against the rules ...
-Duane

Besides the fact that all of us that run computers here want to protect our privacy, the use of various hacking methods violates international law in some fashion. Right?

:p

That is correct.

-Duane

Duane how the hell do you know that ip belongs to another member of these forums? IP's aren't really private and personal either. That rule more applies for photographs, street address, phone numbers... that sort of thing.

DMCA makes it illegal to circumvent anti-piracy measures built into products. Shoutcast has no anti-piracy measures.

O to laugh...
http://www.radioshack.com/images/Pro...42/42-2497.jpg
Any time DRM comes up, it's best to have one of these around.

Re: Use of streamrippers against DMCA?
 

You're being an ass. Do your own dirty work if you want to do something illegal and immoral. Banning his IP is sufficent enough. And yes Stream rippers circumvent methods of copyright protection which is a violation of the DMCA but since your listener is outside US jurisdiction the DMCA does not apply. German law maybe but international law most likely won't give you any leverage.

Re: Use of streamrippers against DMCA?
 

You're so anal, just doing the RIAAs dirty work for them.


Using a streamripper on a 128k stream is no different from taping off the radio. Furthermore, I could listen to your stream and record the wave output to something as simple as sound recorder using the basic audio codecs on my machine - and you'd never know. Might as well just close down your stream and keep all your music private if it worries you so much...

Re: Use of streamrippers against DMCA?
 

And your station is fully legal ???
you pay for playing copyrighted music??

you should count your blessings that i'm not a Mod, for breaking the privacy rule and for asking to hack this ip number you deserve a trip to Banned Camp run by your friendly Mod MR Jones.

Re: Re: Use of streamrippers against DMCA?
 

All very good points, Mr. c2R. Cookie? :D

Re: Re: Re: Use of streamrippers against DMCA?
 

Permission to be smug, sir?

If you want to avoid stream ripping make sure you make it so people don't want to record your stream. Corss-fades, intro and end talk overs. The same stuff most radio stations use. If you are listening to the radio it wouldn't bother you. But if you are trying to cut a stream into individual MP3s, it will make it difficult and make the MP3s messed up.

Ok, perhaps posting the IP was wrong of me. I wasn't thinking. *hold my hand out to be slapped*

As far as my station being 100% legal... not yet, but we're working on it. All the music we play either comes directly from the labels themselves or I have gone out to buy it. All I need are the licensing deals with BMI, ASCAP, SESAC and S.E. Mission Radio is a Christian station and views the fact that we get the majority of our music from major labels as a duty to see that thier artist's intelectual property is protected to the best of our ability. If this means that we are doing the RIAA a favor, then that's your opinion to which you're intitled to.

While it is true that streamripping is VERY close to taping off FM, it does eat up a very valuable server slot that could be better used by someone who actually wants to listen. The only benefit that it has for me is that it ups my TTSL. But the fact that they may or may not be actually listening, in my mind, invalidates this benefit and would serve to make my actual numbers suspect to any potential advertiser should they ever find out that my listener base is full of streamrippers. This is the main reason that I feel it's our duty to combat this problem.

I do use crossfading, as Drewbar suggested, by way of SAM3. And since we've only been online with this station for a little under a month, we're still working on getting fully staffed. I don't know if I want to be as big as Launchcast, but if that's what God has in mind for this station... then so be it. Know anyone who knows Christain music and wants to be part of a new ministry? Have them contact me and we'll talk. :)

you'd be better off posting this in the sc forum. i do agree the posting the ip was a bad idea, how you people feel if someone was using youre station for illeagal purposes, especially after all the money and effort a sc station requires.

The topic will now be known as "UNST" Unmentionable Nullsoft saving thingamajig.

I legitimately need unsting for my show. I rip the live stream, then play it back when the bar is closed.

I'm the only one though. I haven't seen another live broadcasts like mine. So i'm like, the %1 that needs it.
It can't be against the DCMA for that reason. Just like bittorrent is legal because it can be used legitimately, so is unsting.

But forum rules are forum rules, this thread should be locked/moved like it never happened.

-if you buy music on cd, it doesn't give you permission to play it on air!!! check the cd covers it cleary states that it's illegal to copy or broadcast the music.

None of my CDs say "broadcast", but they do say, "Warning: unauthorized reproduction/duplication of this recording is prohibited by federal law and subject to criminal prosecution."

That's what it says on my CDs. I thought that applied to all CDs though.

Maybe the difference being that my CDs are from US artists and yours are from England? Maybe even same albums, but UK versions instead of US versions.

Hmmm, that's possible. It could be like a record company policy.

Well, here is another thing to think about. Even though it is against the DMCA to rip streams, it is not illegal. There are legit programs out there that allow for copying off of internet radio (those streams that are allowed stream the music). It is because the RIAA and their licensing fee allows this. When the station pays for the license, it usually accounts for people tapping and recording. But there is a fine line behind that. Those people recording must use it for PERSONAL use only. If the distribute the song on P2P, it then is illegal.

Also, since you are running an Christian Radio station, I think that it would be good if someone copied a song because they may like it and may want to go out and buy the CD and give the Artists money (but those who use stream rippers are people who use them for bad and not for themselves).

-Duane

** think VCR **

Said ...

Almost everyone used to use VCR Recording. Besides the ones that used that to sell tapes, does any other got arrested for that ?! I don't know any !1!

As I said in an earlier post... I use SAM for my station automation. SAM users have been covered for years by a blanket license between Spacial*Audio Solutions and the RIAA as long as we own a licensed copy of the music, either on CD, tape, or vinyl. This deal may have gone out the window with CARP, but if you consider what virtually all of the broadcast terrestrial radio stations across the country (those with digital studios) do with their CD's in order to get them on the air, then what's the difference? You think they have stacks and stacks of CD's lining the walls? If they do, it's only for back-ups in case of a catastrophic server failure.

Somehow, since you own the content, I seriously doubt you could ever get in trouble for ripping your own stream.

:)

both the us and uk are required to pay royalties, as are most countries.

There are articles in several magazines this month regarding 'fair use'. It seems the courts have upheld it and it directly conflicts with the DMCA regarding ripping DVDs and such. We need a champion for the cause that has deep pockets to get this thing settled once and for all.

Re: Use of streamrippers against DMCA?
 

Firstly, the DMCA does not apply to German citizens.

Secondly, as griffinn said, the DMCA makes it illegal to circumvent anti-piracy measures built into products. And although streams were not intended to be "ripped" (afaik), I'm not of the opinion that ripping a stream consitutes protection circumvention.