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wellniceisntit 30th May 2005 20:58

please beaware!!!
 
yes if you are already know what the tcpa is then leave


http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-faq-en.html


could this stop winamp from being free? i mean if they have to by a certificate for thier software they would have to start charging right?

wellniceisntit 30th May 2005 21:08

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oh btw dont post stuff like this want happen or they cant do this. cause they arnt stupid they do have smart ppl working for them that are skilled in legal issues.

tuckerm 30th May 2005 21:10

what the hell?

gaekwad2 30th May 2005 21:13

We can't link to againsttcpa, didn't you know that?


See you all in Guantanamo.

mikm 30th May 2005 21:19

AOL owns Winamp, and AOL is a shadow-member of TCPA. Mr. wellniceisntit, your IP address has been logged and the thought police will be taking you to Room 101 shortly. Have a nice day.

-Adminstrator, Ministry of Love

mysterious_w 30th May 2005 21:36

I think no one here cares.

Warrior of the Light 30th May 2005 21:54

They can't stop music being spread. If they b0rk MP3, another fileformat will arise. MP3 sucks anyway.

gaekwad2 30th May 2005 21:55

See how manipulative they are?

Silently merging two threads, what's next?

General Geoff 30th May 2005 22:10

trusted computing only works when you have DRMed file formats. If people still use MP3/Ogg/Flac, there is nothing to worry about, seeing as how these file formats do not support any DRM or TC.

tuckerm 30th May 2005 22:42

use mp4

dlichterman 30th May 2005 22:48

i like oggs, i use them on my iriver

gaekwad2 30th May 2005 22:48

Mp4 can be combined with drm, see iTunes.

wellniceisntit 30th May 2005 22:50

--gaekwad2 i didn't know that sorry

--mikm good point i didnt notice until you pointed it out thanks..

--Warrior of the Light hardwire is alot harder to crack then software thus if they really wanted im sure they could stop any format example the remote monitoring they will be able to do. all they have to do is find it delete it from your pc

--General Geoff its not a software matter its hardware if your software dont have the certificate that is requried it want play it even if it is a new format


btw im not trying to be a smartass to the last to posts sorry if it was

dlinkwit27 30th May 2005 23:05

<Stormrider> I should bomb something
<Stormrider> ...and it's off the cuff remarks like that that are the reason I don't log chats
<Stormrider> Just in case the FBI ever needs anything on me
<Elzie_Ann> I'm sure they can just get it from someone who DOES log chats.
*** FBI has joined #gamecubecafe
<FBI> We saw it anyway.
*** FBI has quit IRC (Quit: )

http://bash.org/?88575

:p

morgado 30th May 2005 23:11

Well, our country is leading on the Free, Open Source and thus Legal software .. I won't do much of this .. Anyways, I can change for Ogg, FLAC and start using Linux

Print 30th May 2005 23:25

Quote:

Originally posted by dlinkwit27
<Stormrider> I should bomb something
<Stormrider> ...and it's off the cuff remarks like that that are the reason I don't log chats
<Stormrider> Just in case the FBI ever needs anything on me
<Elzie_Ann> I'm sure they can just get it from someone who DOES log chats.
*** FBI has joined #gamecubecafe
<FBI> We saw it anyway.
*** FBI has quit IRC (Quit: )

http://bash.org/?88575

:p

Oh that made me laugh too hard :up:.

wellniceisntit 30th May 2005 23:31

morgado lol no man.. linux is open source (free) yes however its still software. when all the cpu's are chiped you will have to find another way.


when i say cpus i mean in all cards like soundcards and graphic cards not just the main cpu on your mobo

morgado 31st May 2005 01:06

Well, if that happens .. I'll just stick with my pc ..

mikm 31st May 2005 01:25

There's always a way around. Either the OS will circumvent it, or some wise company will become rich by selling non TCPA-d processors/hardware.

Anyways, keep ing mind that IBM is a major proponent of FOSS, so it is doubtful that TCPA will have too many limits on that.

ScorLibran 31st May 2005 02:00

Lots of problems with this concept. They can't "delete" anything from my PC (nor anyone else's) without a court order. And even with such a writ, they (or any subsidiary/partner of theirs) couldn't destroy/modify files on my/our PCs, only a court-appointed official could do so. And anyway, first they would subpoena me to surrender my PC rather than "hack" in remotely.

Also, treading where the RIAA tried but has so far failed...CD/encoded music copy-protection (that works). This act is focusing on copy-protection for encoded music (MP3, etc.), but the same legal concepts that apply to CDs would apply to encoded music files. The DMCA guarantees us the right to copy a CD or music file for a list of reasons (archival, research, portability and platform maintenance, among others), so completely shutting off this ability is blocking consumer rights. But since they won't be explicitly stopped by the government from doing this, it at least gives me (and the rest of us) the right to hack through their copy-protections to legally copy a CD or encoded music file.

There are at least ten other things dreadfully wrong with this computing strategy as well, but I'm not going to list any more. The two above are plenty enough reason for the idea to be scrapped. Otherwise, Microsoft and anyone else involved in perpetrating the acts described in the article better prepare to have their servers and intellectual property hacked by angry consumers (extensively more so than has already been done, that is).

wellniceisntit 31st May 2005 02:31

hmm interesting points made by scorlibran

please post more of you comments on how to stop it
im not trying to be an ass i personaly would like to have some assurance from this nightmare

will it be legal to delete files off your pc? well in the link i posted you can read about the bills(us laws)they want to pass to allow such things to happen its illegel now maybe. if the bill gets passed(lets hope not.)im sure they will include something that allows them to do this. i mean lets dont forget who we are dealing with microsoft they have been sued for monopoly reason in the pass. dont forget these companys http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-members.html
have smart ppl working for them they they didnt make billions for being idoits.

now as for the DMCA issiue. i will admit i havent read this but dont you think they will put some kind of feature that detects DRM strip files. the only way i think you will be able to get pass this is by using a format that dosnt support drm thus saying you own the music(cd).

wellniceisntit 31st May 2005 02:34

btw has anyone seen the longhorn(new windows) user agreement and privacy statement i mean wtf

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/longhorn/privacy.mspx


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