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S-uper_T-oast 28th August 2006 02:07

Bittorent Question
 
At my new place of residence, I am faced with a very bad situation. The IP address of my school is on the block list of SafePeer for bittorent. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas of what I could do about this?

Proxies are the only one I've come up with, but I haven't had any luck with making them work (and also have had trouble finding any good ones, partially due to my insistence on SOCKSv5). So anything would be much appreciated.

Rocker 28th August 2006 03:27

get wireless internet?

k_rock923 28th August 2006 03:45

on campuses, at least here, the wireless is provided through the school and we send wireless traffic throug all the same firewalls and packet shapers that wired goes through.

Psythik 28th August 2006 03:50

If I understand correctly, you're living in a dorm? You know, most universities monitor all internet activity; you could get into some massive trouble if caught using p2p, if even for legal purposes. Therefore, you should be using proxies anyhow. I would try Tor, only problem with it though, is it's rather slow.

S-uper_T-oast 28th August 2006 04:09

That's what I'm dealing with. I'm allready playing with proxies. I've got encryption in azureus enabled as mandatory, so that's one plus (yet it doesn't help speed much either). Yes I know how much they monitor, and haven't been doing anything with it besides a few "benchmark" tests of various settings.

Also TOR is against P2P traffic...


As a further note, my college supposedly does NOT monitor, review, or perpetually archive material pripr to or after transmission on Computer Resources. Unless there is an external reason to do so. It is against P2P traffic though, which isn't surprising.

swingdjted 28th August 2006 05:08

I was lucky enough to be in college when p2p traffic was common and not policed...

(1996-2000) Undergrad (Napster, Grokster with spyware removal patch)

(2001-2003) Grad school (WinMX and KazaaLite)

I miss those LAN connections - you could get a DVD quality movie in far less than the time it takes to watch it.

Funny thing is, the files I downloaded were pretty much all remixes, amateur artist uncopyrighted stuff that I couldn't find anywhere else, even on Amazon. As far as copyright killing was concerned, I mostly did it to figure out what CDs to actually buy and what to leave on the shelves.

k_rock923 28th August 2006 11:34

yea. we tell students we don't look at statistics either.

mysterious_w 28th August 2006 11:43

Quote:

Originally posted by k_rock923
yea. we tell students we don't look at statistics either.
I guess you are saying you do look at them really though.

Do you just look at the volumes of traffic that come in and out of each room's network port? Or do you actually see what programs they are using (I guess you would do that with port number references).

k_rock923 28th August 2006 12:03

That post warrants a long reply. I don't have time for one since I need to go to class. I'll post more later.

tuckerm 28th August 2006 13:26

And btw show up at our tech support, we have several posts for you...we miss you :cry:

Rocker 28th August 2006 16:58

i meant third party wireless internet.

Phyltre 28th August 2006 17:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Rocker
i meant third party wireless internet.
What are the options?

dlinkwit27 28th August 2006 22:43

See if someone is using an open (not password protected) wireless router in their room (if the dorm themselevs don't have wireless capabilities). That way the traffic (I think, 90% sure) is all on his rooms IP.

Phyltre 28th August 2006 23:29

Quote:

Originally posted by dlinkwit27
See if someone is using an open (not password protected) wireless router in their room (if the dorm themselevs don't have wireless capabilities). That way the traffic (I think, 90% sure) is all on his rooms IP.
But they're still in the same network! The same blockages will be there!

k_rock923 29th August 2006 01:09

Not to mention that you can tell a cisco access point system to contain rogue access points (they always detect them) by sending disassociation floods from up to four cisco APs. No home router can stand up to that.

S-uper_T-oast 29th August 2006 01:58

Disassociation floods, kinky.

swingdjted 29th August 2006 06:21

For the time and effort (and money on computer hardware) spent on p2p music sharing, It's just easier for me to just spend that time earning money and then buying the CDs. Back in the unpoliced napster days, it wasn't so bad, but now I'd rather just buy the music if I can find it, and then rip it to my own quality standards for hard disc storage.

PulseDriver 29th August 2006 14:07

Peer to peer is not illegal, now why would it be? How can someone generalize the use of a datahandler? I mean if I want to share my songs with the whole world, who can deny me to give it to you through emule or any another way of sending/reciveing bittorrent data?

It wouldn't be more illegal than sending them through email. It's like guns. It's not illegal to own one, but you cannot shoot anyone you like. Like that should the datahandlers be regulated. You should know that the data you recive is legal, though it's much more work to find out if the data you recive is legal to posess than NOT shoot your neighbour, it's still the ability to THINK which will be the key.

You can own a car, but it's not legal to speed over the limits, even if it's possible... if you desire..

Damn, crooks which copies illegal data you will always have, one way or another. p2p can't be classified as illegal.

S-uper_T-oast 29th August 2006 17:43

Quote:

Originally posted by PulseDriver
I mean if I want to share my songs with the whole world, who can deny me to give it to you through emule or any another way of sending/reciveing bittorrent data?
ummm the RIAA/US Gov?

Welcome to the bitch that is intellectual property rights.

mysterious_w 29th August 2006 17:53

Quote:

Originally posted by PulseDriver
It's like guns. It's not illegal to own one...
It is in my country.

:B

A Crazy German 29th August 2006 18:48

i use Utorrent and it gives me no trouble at all very basic and easy no mess no fuss.

S-uper_T-oast 29th August 2006 21:38

I use azureus myself, even though it is a resouce hog (luckily I have plenty resources to spare though... that's another story).

As a side note, I know where your bunny avatar came form German. Damn good comic.

On topic, it seems like there aren't many available options for em to use here for my original problem: the fact that the block of IP's my school uses is blocked by safepeer/peer gaurdian.

A Crazy German 29th August 2006 23:30

Welldid you try asking around the Azureus forums they might know what to do.

And Bunny is the best damned comic around.

rockouthippie 29th August 2006 23:41

Quote:

Originally posted by mysterious_w
It is in my country.
:B

That's why your crime rate in London looks worst than New York. That 1997 hand gun ban doubled violent crime.

S-uper_T-oast 30th August 2006 00:07

I was thinking about going and asking the azerus forum, (if one even exists?), but I'm allready registered here, I'm a regular here, and there are plenty of smart people here who might have a solution.

A Crazy German 30th August 2006 00:13

Well if you took 10 minutes and looked at their webpage and the list of plug-ins you might of saw this

"This plugin allows you to use SafePeer to import a list of IPs to block to the IpFilter from some database (by default the one of PeerGuardian) Forums & Bug Report.
See history.txt for a more detailed list of changes."

http://azureus.sourceforge.net/plugi...lugin=safepeer

now I am not 100% that will fix it or if thats the right one. But they have like a 100 plug-ins look around!

Phyltre 30th August 2006 00:15

Quote:

Originally posted by A Crazy German
Well if you took 10 minutes and looked at their webpage and the list of plug-ins you might of saw this
Drop the attitude.

We don't need it.

A Crazy German 30th August 2006 00:17

Quote:

Originally posted by Phyltre
Drop the attitude.

We don't need it.

Maybe you read my post wrong, I didn't mean to sound angry or any thing just lending so advice.

So please calm down :)

**EDIT**

More info...

This might be the correct plug-in.

http://azureus.sourceforge.net/plugi...lugin=azneti2p

swingdjted 30th August 2006 00:38

That's the problem with the written word. It's hard to see how someone is really reacting. I've misjudged what people were actually communicating here too, and I've made posts that have sometimes been misread too.

Phyltre 30th August 2006 01:25

Quote:

Originally posted by A Crazy German
Maybe you read my post wrong, I didn't mean to sound angry or any thing just lending so advice.

So please calm down :)

Alright, this is your LAST WARNING bub.





(lol)

JFASI 30th August 2006 01:26

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Quote:

At my new place of residence, I am faced with a very bad situation. The IP address of my school is on the block list of SafePeer for bittorent. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas of what I could do about this?
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S-uper_T-oast 30th August 2006 03:03

Quote:

Originally posted by A Crazy German
Maybe you read my post wrong, I didn't mean to sound angry or any thing just lending so advice.

Maybe you read my post wrong you crazy man, my problem is the IP I have is blocked by SafePeer, and I want to get around that. So please, have a nice cup of tea and go sit in the corner.

A Crazy German 30th August 2006 03:52

Well I was just trying it help, but if you don't want help from me then tootles.

S-uper_T-oast 30th August 2006 04:06

Help all you want mate, but don't get too uppity. ;)


Back on topic though, any other suggestions?

A Crazy German 30th August 2006 04:20

Well what I found out is SafePeer a plug-in for azureus if you find a way to git rid of the plug-in that would fix it. Also anther client you might want to try. I say give http://www.utorrent.com/ a try its very very small.

Found this stuff out from answers.com and from the Official sites them selves. Give it a whirl.

S-uper_T-oast 30th August 2006 06:18

Mate your not reading the problem. ;)

The problem is: the oranization known as peer gaurdian creates a list of IP address that correspond usually with supposed unsafe people, MPAA, RIAA, spam, ads, spyware etc... But my school's IP address block is for some reason on this list. The list they use is then distributed through their own program (PeerGaurdian) and subsequently through SafePeer. What these programs do is they block connections coming based on the list. So in the case of azureus, it blocks connections coming from those IP's. This then translates into: my IP is on the block list, all the peers on a torrent that have either PeerGaurdian proper, or some program (like SafePeer) that uses the blocklist, will then block connections to me thinking I'm a bad person. This then means I can connect to very few peers on most torrents, which then means I get terrible transfer rates.

What I'm asking for is suggestions on what I can do to fix the problem of my IP being blocked by peer gaurdian.

I have perused both the peer gaurdian website and forum, and have not found anything to help me. If nothing else comes up here, I was going to go ask them.

swingdjted 30th August 2006 06:36

Quote:

Originally posted by S-uper_T-oast
If nothing else comes up here, I was going to go ask them.
I understand your wanting to check here first, since you're more comfortable with people that lurk in this neck of the woods, but since things seem helpless here, you might want to go direcly to them.

I would have used the same initial approach, but you may have to ask directly since no one seems to be accurately addressing your issue.

ElChevelle 30th August 2006 11:16

Take off the eye patch and buy a plastic leg. You may keep your parrot though:p

mysterious_w 30th August 2006 11:52

This thread is very silly.

PulseDriver 30th August 2006 12:37

How come RIAA can decide to do with my own work/art?


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