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SSJ4 Gogitta 2nd November 2006 11:10

So it would appear that John Kerry not only thinks the armed services are stupid.....
 
...but YOU are, too!

Quote:

Oct. 30th, 2006: John Kerry;

You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq.

After America asks Kerry to apologize from calling our troops stupid, he blames it on a botched joke;

Quote:

Oct. 31st, 2006: John Kerry;

My statement yesterday, and the White House knows this full well, was a botched joke about the President and the President's people not about the troops...
In the same conference, he comes up with this statement:

Quote:

I apologize to no one...
But the fun doesn't stop there. Less than 24 hours later:

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Nov. 1st, 2006: John Kerry;

I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform and I personally apologize to any service member, family member or American who was offended.
So basically:

Quote:

Kerry: If you're in the US armed services, you're stupid.
America: Wait, what? Did you just call our soldiers stupid?!
Kerry: Wait, no, it was just a botched joke about Bush’s failed policies!
America: No, you called our soldiers stupid, jackass! Apologize!
Kerry: You misunderstood what I said. I apologize to no one!
America: Sorry, but you called our troops stupid. That I did not misunderstand. It was inexcusable, tasteless, and down right disrespectful! Apologize!
Kerry: I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform. I personally apologize to any service member, family member or American who was offended.
Wait, you regret that your words were misinterpreted? Misinterpreted by whom? Since YOU understood what you meant, you must mean everyone ELSE. So you’re sorry that WE misinterpreted what you said? And you apologize to anyone who was offended by it? So, you apologize to anyone who was too stupid to understand what you said?

Way to go Senator Kerry… You may now please step out of office.

http://www.drudgereport.com/irak.jpg
PHOTO CREDIT: 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 34th Infantry Division

Rocker 2nd November 2006 11:23

LOL at the picture.

zootm 2nd November 2006 11:27

Yay for political spin!

gaekwad2 2nd November 2006 11:45

If you're stupid you elect stupid leaders who send you to die in stupid wars.

Sounds about right to me.

siebe83 2nd November 2006 11:54

IT'S AN OUTRAGE!!

Yes, this should be the main issue in the upcoming elections!!

SSJ4 Gogitta 2nd November 2006 12:16

Quote:

Originally posted by gaekwad2
If you're stupid you elect stupid leaders who send you to die in stupid wars.

Sounds about right to me.

And please give me a list of presidents who did NOT serve durring a time of war.

There are not too many.

gaekwad2 2nd November 2006 12:36

And a dolphin is written as 'ocean' and 'pig' in kanji.


(In other words, that was a non-sequitur.
Or do you need to be reminded of who started that war because he heard the voice of God in his head?)

watadoo 2nd November 2006 13:34

Good thing Kerry is stinking rich. He'd never make a living as a stand up. He left out "us" and "Look at George bush"

Insert those words and listen to the whole clip, not the carefully edited for rightwing spin, the whole clip that shows the set up, talking about texas, bush and education.


"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get us stuck in Iraq. Look at George Bush. "

Still a pretty weak joke, though the college student crowd laughed pretty hard.

watadoo 2nd November 2006 13:39

much ado about nothing.

SSJ4 Gogitta 2nd November 2006 16:09

Quote:

Originally posted by gaekwad2
And a dolphin is written as 'ocean' and 'pig' in kanji.


(In other words, that was a non-sequitur.
Or do you need to be reminded of who started that war because he heard the voice of God in his head?)

The terrorists started it. In fact, Bin Laden declared war on us in 1998.

Quote:

Originally posted by watadoo
Good thing Kerry is stinking rich. He'd never make a living as a stand up. He left out "us" and "Look at George bush"

Insert those words and listen to the whole clip, not the carefully edited for rightwing spin, the whole clip that shows the set up, talking about texas, bush and education.


"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get us stuck in Iraq. Look at George Bush. "

Still a pretty weak joke, though the college student crowd laughed pretty hard.

Yes, he has said he left out "us" and "look at George Bush" from his lame "joke". The setup leading to the joke is irrelevant because he had plenty of time to correct his mistake. He could have said, "I’m sorry, I botched that joke and I implied something I did not mean, and I would like to take this brief moment and offer my apologies. Our men and women in the armed services are in no ways dumb, ignorant or lazy, et cetera…" However, he didn’t. He later, instead, insisted he would not apologize to anyone. Why would he not apologize to something that he himself admitted was a botched joke, and obviously came off as a smear to our armed forces? I believe it was a Freudian slip, and at that moment, he spoke what he truly thought. This isn’t the first time he has said something similar (link: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061102/D8L4QH580.html ). He later makes a half-assed "apology" where he essentially calls everyone stupid.

"I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform. I personally apologize to any service member, family member or American who was offended."

He regrets that you didn’t understand what he was saying. He is also sorry that you were offended at the comment because you were too stupid to understand what he was saying.

His "joke", as he originally intended it, would have implied that Bush is stupid, and got us into Iraq. Just a reminder; Kerry got lower grades in Yale than Bush, and the terrorists got us into Iraq by flying two plans into the World Trade Centers and one plane into the Pentagon. Another reminder; Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States in 1998 (which, by the way, was under Clinton’s watch): (link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_b...States_targets ). As for the statement that you would nearly undoubtedly say after reading that, "Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11", I’d like to offer the following: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/527uwabl.asp



All in all, Kerry will never be a stand-up comedian; everyone would fall asleep from his dull voice. He needs to offer a much better apology rather than sticking with the "I’m sorry you didn’t understand what I meant" deal.

Also, I bet the verbatim transcript of that part of Kerry’s speech will be used in terrorist propaganda videos… "Oh look, the US troops are stupid! Kerry says so! Vote Democrat!". Mind you, they actually DO want you to vote Democrat (link: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52747 ).

zootm 2nd November 2006 16:31

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
Yes, he has said he left out "us" and "look at George Bush" from his lame "joke". The setup leading to the joke is irrelevant because he had plenty of time to correct his mistake. He could have said, "I’m sorry, I botched that joke and I implied something I did not mean, and I would like to take this brief moment and offer my apologies. Our men and women in the armed services are in no ways dumb, ignorant or lazy, et cetera…" However, he didn’t.
No. No. No. No. No. He made a slight error which was then misconstrued. People fuck up what they say all the time (look at GWB). He has nothing to apologise for.

Anyone who thinks this is a serious issue is an idiot. End of.

gaekwad2 2nd November 2006 16:54

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
The terrorists started it. In fact, Bin Laden declared war on us in 1998.
Er, does that have anything to do with Saddam/Iraq?

(Not to mention the small detail that Bin Laden never had the authority to declare war on anyone.)

Mattress 2nd November 2006 18:03

How did Bin Laden not have the authority to declare war on anyone? where ever you get your notion of authority from it didn't stop airplanes from becoming gigantic missiles that took out the WTC and significantly damaged the Pentagon.

Sawg 2nd November 2006 18:22

So, let me get this straigt?
We have troops dieing in Iraq for a war with no reason.
104 troops died in Iraq alone last month
We have not found Bin Laden.
Afghanistan is falling apart

Yet the biggest issue is a botched joke from someone not running for office?
I know some people are looking for anything to take peoples mind off reality, but come on. How low can some people get?

But I guess Fox News needs something to fill the day with.

Namelessv1 2nd November 2006 18:33

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
As for the statement that you would nearly undoubtedly say after reading that, "Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11", I’d like to offer the following: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/527uwabl.asp

Well, if you recall the several calls for war made by the administration, including State of the Union address delivered by President Bush shortly before the invasion in March of 2003, one of the main premises was that there was viable link between Saddam and al-Qaeda. There is a link between bin Laden and Iraq in that his 1998 fatwa declared against the United States was calling for, among other things, the end of sanctions against Iraq, which was the cause of hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. However, a Atta/Prague investigation, DIA reports, a Carnegie Study, the 9/11 Commission report, CIA reports, Pentagon studies, Senate Intelligence Committee reports, and others have all come to the conclusion that there was no operational link between the two parties. Moreover, aside from both sides being ideologically antithetical, if you remember, it was bin Laden who offered to the Saudi government in 1991 to drive out Iraqi forces from Kuwait through a jihad war much like the one he helped conduct in Afghanistan against the Soviets the decade before. The purported ties between al Qaeda and Saddam are much less worrying than the ties between al Qaeda and governments such as Saudi Arabia (of which 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were from) and Yemen. It would appear that the Bush doctrine has an asterisk for countries such as these.

Bin Laden certainly needs to be brought to justice for the crimes that he has committed, but how Iraq was the best way of doing so is a bit puzzling.

SSJ4 Gogitta 2nd November 2006 18:39

Iraq is a military strategic position. It's in the middle of the Middle East.

SSJ4 Gogitta 2nd November 2006 18:43

Quote:

Originally posted by zootm
Anyone who thinks this is a serious issue is an idiot. End of.
When Kerry's quotes get used as terrorist propaganda in order to recruit more terrorists, which will end up killing more innocent people, then we'll see if it is as "serious" issue...

Granted, yes, there are more serious issues at hand; but this is teh intarweb. You can't reasonably expect only certain subjects to be discussed.

gaekwad2 2nd November 2006 18:43

Quote:

Originally posted by Mattress
How did Bin Laden not have the authority to declare war on anyone? where ever you get your notion of authority from it didn't stop airplanes from becoming gigantic missiles that took out the WTC and significantly damaged the Pentagon.
I guess you'll agree that he had no right to do that, do you?
(You don't have the authority to eg. arrest your neighbour or search his house, even if you have the means to do so.)

Had he had the authority to declare war (on whose behalf?) those attacks would have been acts of war, not of terrorism (they'd probably still be war crimes (may the country that never committed any of those throw the first stone)).

zootm 2nd November 2006 18:58

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
When Kerry's quotes get used as terrorist propaganda in order to recruit more terrorists, which will end up killing more innocent people, then we'll see if it is as "serious" issue...
They can use anything they like as terrorist propaganda. They don't like what our leaders say. This isn't any better material than anything else that comes out of a leader's mouth.

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
Granted, yes, there are more serious issues at hand; but this is teh intarweb. You can't reasonably expect only certain subjects to be discussed.
Yeah, but I like to point out when something is being blown out of proportion by partisans in order to decieve idiots.

Namelessv1 2nd November 2006 19:02

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
Iraq is a military strategic position. It's in the middle of the Middle East.
Instead of going after the governments with the strongest ties with bin Laden and al Qaeda?

Mattress 2nd November 2006 20:29

invading saudi arabia is a bit more complex, if you want to bring down the ultimate jihad just occupy Mecca and Medina with kafirs and see what happens.

ElChevelle 2nd November 2006 22:09

If you didn't get what Kerry was originally saying and the reference that it meant, yes! You are stupid.

SSJ4 Gogitta 3rd November 2006 00:44

Of course, I'm sure most of us "got it", but the fact that the way he said it came off as a blatant smear of our armed forces, and that he attempted to do absolutly nothing about it except for an "apology" that ammounts to nothing more than calling you stupid for "not getting it" is what gets me.

Surely the man has the brains to comprehend what he had just said at the podium, and how it may have sounded. He should've apologized right then and there, and then there probably wouldnt've been this whole fiasco.

But hey, he didn't, and he deserves every bit of the press he gets over it.

skryingbreath 3rd November 2006 04:05

I thought the joke was funny. Isn't that what it was? A joke?

zootm 3rd November 2006 07:35

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
Of course, I'm sure most of us "got it", but the fact that the way he said it came off as a blatant smear of our armed forces, and that he attempted to do absolutly nothing about it except for an "apology" that ammounts to nothing more than calling you stupid for "not getting it" is what gets me.
But it didn't come over strongly as that, and was blown out of proportion. If people had to apologise for every minor thing (like this) that could be misinterpreted, we'd be here forever and a day.

SSJ4 Gogitta 3rd November 2006 10:33

I can agree with that, but it isn't too often that a man that was chosen not but two years ago to not only lead the Democratic party, but to lead the free world botches a joke that comes off as smearing our armed forces, and then blames you for it.

Call the president an idiot? Mm, sure. No need for an apology for that. Call our armed forces "stupid" in a time of war? Yeah, that warrents an apology. The terrorist LOVE this stuff.

ElChevelle 3rd November 2006 10:50

The terrorists love having an idiot in the white house who is turning his own people against him.
I'm a veteran and I took absolutely no offense to Kerry's joke. I understood it as everyone else should have but indeed there are stupid people out there. He owed no one an apology but yet did to quell the GOP backlash since they elevated this ridiculous news story over not only the conflict in Iraq but over the deaths of over 2800 troops. In my opinion, Bush owes the troops an apology for getting them into this mess, which is NOT a joke.

zootm 3rd November 2006 11:24

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
Call the president an idiot? Mm, sure. No need for an apology for that. Call our armed forces "stupid" in a time of war? Yeah, that warrents an apology. The terrorist LOVE this stuff.
I just don't think the misinterpretation was as obvious as it's being made out. As for the terrorists "loving this stuff", that's simply not the case. They don't need to win a subtle, nuanced PR battle. If anything it'll come over as a tiny joke to them, if they react to it at all. Terrorists don't give a shit about this sort of nonsense.

SSJ4 Gogitta 3rd November 2006 12:16

They use the quotes to help them recruit more jihadists...

What better way for terrorists to get more jihadists than to use quotes from American politicans saying bad things about our own country, blaming the US, and appeasing the terrorists.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/20...ocrats-to.html

It's sort of like McDonalds saying, "Well, hey, Burger King ain't all that bad..."

gaekwad2 3rd November 2006 13:12

Ah, now he's also "appeasing the terrorists"?

Better send him to Guantanamo fast before he turns into a suicide bomber.

SSJ4 Gogitta 3rd November 2006 13:18

Quote:

Originally posted by gaekwad2
Ah, now he's also "appeasing the terrorists"?

Better send him to Guantanamo fast before he turns into a suicide bomber.

I never specifically said John Kerry. I was speaking in general.

gaekwad2 3rd November 2006 13:21

Suuuure!

SSJ4 Gogitta 3rd November 2006 13:47

You're right, I botched that post. I deeply regret that you didn't understand what I said.

Mattress 3rd November 2006 14:23

LOLERSKATES!

ElChevelle 3rd November 2006 22:08

What was it George Bush said recently?

Something like if you vote for a democrat, you're helping the terrorists?
THAT offends me!

gaekwad2 3rd November 2006 22:16

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
You're right, I botched that post. I deeply regret that you didn't understand what I said.
Ah, so you were joking.

Silly me, for a moment I thought you had completely lost your mind and actually believed what you were posting above.

SSJ4 Gogitta 4th November 2006 00:13

Quote:

Originally posted by gaekwad2
Ah, so you were joking.

Silly me, for a moment I thought you had completely lost your mind and actually believed what you were posting above.

Open your mouth, and insert your foot please.

I don't need to "believe" what is known to be a fact. Terrorists do in fact quote the US media and other officials in the US when they make remarks that downplay America and help the terrorists.

ElChevelle 4th November 2006 00:22

So do I, as a true American, need to heed W's words and vote non-Democrat in order to not help the terrorists?

skryingbreath 4th November 2006 00:24

LOL

SSJ4 Gogitta 4th November 2006 01:02

Quote:

Originally posted by ElChevelle
So do I, as a true American, need to heed W's words and vote non-Democrat in order to not help the terrorists?
Not at all. Vote for who you believe has the best interest of our country in mind. Not all Democrats are bad, and not all Republicans are good.

However, I currently do not see many Democrats that have our country’s best interests in mind. The Democrats of today are a far cry of the “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country” Democrats.

But if a Democrat comes along that has ideas that will help our country, and can think reasonably and logically and not with emotion, then by all means; vote.

You probably didn’t much expect this answer, did you?


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