I hope that bigger iPhone's are announced...but I doubt. The only way I'll get an iPhone is if it replaces my phone and iPod.

It must replace and surpass my current phone in capability. the iPhone must also replace and surpass my current 5G 60GB iPod in Capacity and Capability. I figure I'll be waiting for 3G iPhones probably. They'll be in great shape around that time I bet.

Its just cool to think that I'll only have one device in my pocket instead of two. If I buy an iPhone right now...I'll still be tugging a 5G iPod around with me as well.

I'm with you on this one.

Yeah that and the crazy plans that come with it are stupid. I have too much music for the current iPhone and I could just put an microSD card in my Vox with 8GB and I have the same. And when some company announces 16 GB it's even better!

3G? To surpass a 60GB iPod in capacity? I doubt it. 5G maybe, but not 3G. Flash memory is getting cheaper, but not that quickly. A 16GB thumbdrive right now averages around $200; if you can even find a 64GB one, you're looking at thousands of dollars.

And I doubt very much they'd put a hard drive in a phone. It'd be a step backwards. Cellphones tend take a lot of abuse (generally by being dropped) and a hard drive just wouldn't hold up.

Hey, guys, if you want to have a general discussion about the usefulness of iPhones, open a new thread please ;)

Actually, I'm not completely satisfied with the iPhone at the moment. I wouldn't buy it, if it wasn't for ml_ipod support...

Well, I think I'll split this thread.

Oh, sorry Abu. For a second there I thought I lost my mind and actually created this thread last night. Woah...little too much drinking. Thanks for explaining Abu.

I'll probably never get an iPhone. Now if the iPod Touch comes out with a 160GB model or something, then we might be talking. :D My friends are always talking to me from weird places on their Touch models and it makes me want one. ;)

I refuse to get an iPhone/touch on principle for the simple reason that they don't support FAT32. Even if ml_iPod eventually supports them seamlessly, the fact that I can't use it as a second hard drive if I want--without special drivers--turns me right off.

Dude, seriously? :down: :down: That is definitely a major flaw they'll hopefully look into changing for future incarnations.

Yep. That's why it's so difficult and hacky to get ml_iPod to support the devices.

There are some working tools already, like iphonelist. But they all require to have iTunes installed - as does ml_ipod.
The problem is: iTouch/iPhone need a special Apple USB driver. Without that, you can connect the iTouch to the PC, but nothing will happen. It does not support the native USB disk protocol. And only iTunes does install that needed driver.

If an adventurous person wants to check out how to install that driver without iTunes, that would really be great...
It's called usbaapl.sys and can be found in C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\Drivers after you installed iTunes.

But that's not all. "Apple Mobile Device Service" must be installed, too... :(

If you rename iTunesSetup.exe to a .zip file, the installer for Apple Mobile Device Support can be extracted. AppleMobileDeviceSupport.msi can also be renamed to .zip to see the file structure, but I couldn't extract anything with WinRAR or extract the .msi with any other program (like Universal Extractor).

[edit]
When I ran AppleMobileDeviceSupport.msi without iTunes installed there was an option for Repair and Remove. Repair seems to install it fine.

That installs both, the driver and the service?

AppleMobileDeviceService.exe is running in my Task Manager and C:\Program Files\Apple\ appears on my drive, so I'm assuming it does. 'Mobile Device Support' is the only folder in there.

Is C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\Drivers installed, too?

EDIT: I just tried it, it's all fine. That seems to be a valid solution.

It seems to work without iTunes now, see my description on http://mlipod.sourceforge.net/wiki/I...iPhone_support