Did anyone watch that FOX special? I feel like an ass now. And all of America and all us kids have been brainwashed, used, manipulated. Argh. The evidence proves it. NASA blows. Wonder how Ron Howard and Tom Hanks feel after all this.

I didn't catch the FOX special. What kinda evidence?

Photographic evidence, like how shadows of rocks and other things on the moon went in more than one direction, crosshairs on the cameras that don't show up in front of something (like an astronaut's helmet), why the astronauts don't get radiation after passing a radiation belt around Earth, why what would appear as moon hopping is basically normal walking in slow motion, and why the American flag waved everytime on the moon when it's said that there's no atmosphere on the moon. I'm convinced, we're frauds.

like they give a shit. their rich!
but is still think we landed in '69. anyone know of a website on this subject?

but seriously... give me a break! im sure those things can be explained. How could we even produce such camera tricks in 69? Exactly we couldnt. It would be obviously fake. But I'm up for being proved wrong. Somone look into it, I dont know where to even start.

Peace

I still think we landed in '69 also. Jstalilwyrd, try to convince me otherwise. Did they give any motive for faking the moon landing? And "to spite russia" doesn't seem like a very good reason to me.

Edit: The american flag waving on the moon? It did not and does not wave. It is pointed ******d because it is solid, rather than made of fabric.

you could dig up "obvious" evidance that kennedy was shot by a magic bullet, or that Paul Macartney has been dead for 35 years, or that Elvis hasnt been. FOX needs ratings and "when trucks attack" or "alien root canal" just isnt selling these days.

Baloney- FOX is the same station that brought you "Alien Autopsy- Fact or Fiction?", another gem of quality reporting. :rolleyes:

This whole idea that space exploration is a giant hoax is the result of unimaginative writers watching a movie called "Capricorn One" To many times. (And it stars OJ Simpson of all people... you go Orenthal J! :p )

That's true, FOX does do outrageous things for ratings (hour-long episodes of police chases, Sightings from years back, etc). Ack, eh... whatever. I'll go take my pills and sleep now.

I researched the lunar landing or possible lack thereof and what led me to not believe the hoaxing of the giant leap for mankind was the reentry vehicle splashing down in the ocean. My dad was on the carrier that plucked it out of the sea and he passed along stories that pretty much prove the occurence to me.
Someone's been spiking the Tang:p

Has anyone else seen Capricorn One? Good conjecture!

It was quite clearly a fake landing. There is indeed evidence.

http://www.primeline-america.com/moon-ldg/

http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/

http://www.angelfire.com/ut/aylett/eth69.html

I am curious about something, it's said that with a good telescope you can see the lunar rover and at best an actual American flag but search as I did, I saw nothing but dust.

You sparked my interest, so I decided to dabble in NASA's gallery.
As I remember, there were only ever 2 men on the moon at one time. Take a look at this classic photo and count the subject who's picture is being taken, the guy taking the picture and the third? guy standing behind and next to the picture taker.
Strange!
http://www.geocities.com/elchevelle_2000/double.jpg

Exactly, they had little if any effects available......and it shows in alot of their photographs.

the guy in the far back is standing on ladder of the space craft, or just off of it. So? I guess he felt like steppin steppin off :)

here is a quote from one site which explains this picture.

"Look! This photo shows three astronauts on the moon! NASA claim there was never more than two, so it must be faked!
Well, that's right! There's a number of obviously faked images on the internet, some of them are laughably bad. None of them are NASA originals and have been monkeyed around with. I don't believe it's Hoax theorists that have made these images up. They've been made by jokers having a bit of a laugh at the hoax geek's expense. Some are actually quite well done and amusing."


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oh and for all who still believe we didnt actually land on the moon go here ( http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/ ) and read carefully. i told ya it could all be explained :p

and here is a even more a presise part of the site that proves easily that weve been there....
http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/proof.html


[Edited by SNYder on 02-16-2001 at 12:48 PM]

ElChevelle, that is a very interesting picture indeed. Not only did two people go out on the moon, two only came down in the lunar module. If my memory severs me correct, the third astronaut stayed in orbit in the main capsule thing. Give us a link were you found that picture.

I though he just bought a condo on Venus?:p

The differences in shadow length of these two astronauts puzzle me too:

http://www.geocities.com/elchevelle_2000/Lunar.gif

And this one is claimed to show a helicopter or something in the distance in the astronaut's visor. I wrote this off as some kind of NASA instrument:

http://www.geocities.com/elchevelle_2000/Lunar2.gif

The link is http://spaceflight.nasa.gov
I got the pictures there because I doubt NASA has added hoaxes to their own photos.

Hell, how could I have ever missed seeing our flag on the moon's surface with a good telescope?

http://www.geocities.com/elchevelle_2000/moonflag.gif

:p

I don't see it, can you put a circle around it or something?

Two of them links have good evidence and then the middle one appears to have explanations.

But there's still reasons enough for me to believe it was a hoax.

Let me just say that even though hoaxes have little merit in our society, it is interesting to debate the feasibilities of them. My favorite phenomenon HAS to be crop circles. No one will ever be able to convince me that bored villagers trample such mathematically intense paths through a wheatfield in a 4 hour span.
As far as Bigfoot, Sasquatch, whatever you wanna call it. I know better cause I was married to the beast:D

Anyone notice that there aren't any stars in the background in any of the photos?

I think they also said that they thought Cold War would end if the U.S. was the first to the moon or something like that.

looks more like some kind of instrument if you ask me.

Flag - Even though there is no air, micrometeors and radiation blasts from solar wind could account for the "waving" of the flag. Besides; that pole is there to keep the flag from drooping.

Radiation - Why would you get radiation? Astronauts are encased in a metal shell. The metal would absorb most of the radiation. Plus, all the early astronauts wore space suits continuously. Shuttle passengers are shielded by built in insulation on the shuttle.

Crosshairs - Fox could have easily airbrushed the footage for their own purposes.

Walking - That is pure conjecture.

3rd person - The first space mission had two people on the surface, and the other guy (poor guy; no one knows his name :() stayed up in the command module. I am assuming that later mission had more people on the surface at one time. But the question must be asked; how does that prove that it's a hoax? How would a third spacesuited figure serve the purposes of NASA? It could easily be an odd shaped rock.

here's another one to delve into...
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/aylett/images/moon7a.jpg

and for a closer look,
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/aylett/images/nasa10.gif

look at the crosshairs. notice anything strange at point P?

ok, i heard about htat, and it can be explained, the moon may look dark, but where they land it IS daylight it is in the sunlight, but because there is no atmosphere to defract the light the sky appears black. there are no stars becuas the sunlight drowns them out

and i do believe we have gone to the moon, it is the only thing i take on faith. i dont' need proof. i believe it, and i refuse to believe any fox special that claims to have proof. space is our only escape. we can't keep humanity cooped up on this planet forever. it's too fragile (both the earth, and humanity) we need to go other places, and if we haven't even gone to the moon how are we supposed to go elsewhere?
again i say, we HAVE to have been to the moon, take it on faith guys, it's the only way to stay sane

What is the point of those cross hairs any way? Oh yeah, BTW, Apollo 1(?), test launch. Fire in the cabin of the rocket. All three men aboard die. Why did they die if the whole thing was a fake? Why would the gov burn three people alive for anything? I know they do some weird things, but that would take the cake.

And why would half the world start building a space station if no one's ever been to the moon?

About the flag, I'm pretty sure Neil or Buzz (two astronauts on Apollo 11) positioned it like that, so it would look real. What fun is it to see a flag sticking straight out?

Why question one of the greatest things this country has ever done?

That http://spaceflight.nasa.gov site has some good hi-res pics... any other NASA sites with good, big, images? yay! more things to play with in Photoshop!

http://www.primeline-america.com/moon-ldg/mlh1.jpg

From http://www.primeline-america.com/moon-ldg

The writer continues to say "Above photo clearly shows shadow of flag, but shadow of 'Astro-not' is absent." Note the shadow on the right side, which, of course, is not touching the astronaut because he is jumping.

Don't you think it would look kinda disgraceful to travel 50 million miles to have a flag just droop limply?

In my opinion, the clearest evidence for the moon landing actually occuring is that you can see the effect of lowered gravity on the bottom edge of the flag. And what Chev said, too.

ive seen a special on the discovery channel which was on two men who did an entire crop circle on their own in less then 4 hours. They made their own tools that they use to push down the crops and twist them together. They planned and maped out their course very carfully before hand and filmed the entire process. It turened out just as good and presice as any other crop circle yet found. Those guys rule!

and as for the moon thing... again go to http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/ . it explains everything and proves all the contraversy wrong.

Peace

I've seen that show too. That proved it for me. And another thing about the moon stuff. It's on the moon. How many people have actually been there? Have you? Do you know what happens there? Who's to say things like this (i.e., weird foot prints) aren't the norm there?

[Edit] Any one that has been to the moon can keep doubting it. Or else, shut up unless you have good proof [/Edit]

yo RadioActive man do u by any chance speak russian??

Why have we never returned to the moon to practice for Mars?

Here's why : the Apollo program was UNBELIEVABLELY EXPENSIVE !!! These days NASA doesn't get that kind of money from the US gov. Apollo was all about propaganda and beating the Russions ! That's why NASA got the money to do a program like that. Nowadays it's all about science (not propaganda) ... so not jumping on the moon ...

I REALLY BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN TO THE MOON ...

The moon was expensive and yet we are planning a manned trip to Mars WHILE building a space station? Let's build a friggin McD on the moon!

I do.