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Check this skin, I beg you. You wanna talk about what should or should not be allowed on Winamp? You wanna talk about what's offensive? Well, here was the poster child for the debate if I ever saw it. No, its not nudity, its not profane, and its not drug related. It's not even someone pissing on the virgin Mary. As a skin goes, its not bad, but its by no means great. So the question remains - is it bad? Oh, and before you read my review, fyi - I'm really damn tired. :eek: |
I'm guessing you meant this to be a reply in the "cencorship" thread but clicked the wrong button. I'm gonna reply to it anyway.
I think this is a 3 star skin (skinwise), but I see no problem with the subject of the skin. I would say that censoring this skin would be a violation of the freedom of speech. It's not offensive, it merely shows the picture of a political figure. Sure Stalin's comitted horrible crimes against humanity, but that doesn't mean you can't show a picture of his face now does it. And ya gotta admit, the posbar is hilarious :D:D:D |
Why do you need Duk? JZ can field this one:
Not something I'd d/l but you americans seem to forget that with out Russia AND Stalin WW2 would have cost even more lives. He dragged Russia from a backward nearly nomadic country in to the 20th centuary and made it the worlds most powerfull nation! A winamp salute to the dead Stalin. He may have commited many foul acts against humanity but we never get to hear about what the US did to poeple want some examples?! The CIA got bored so they started testing STDs on Black people, there wasn't a reason it just sounded like a laugh... (if you want more I'll give you more) Any way if may states laws say the KKK can spread their racist hatered then why can this skin showing a dead man doing nothing not be show? |
wtf? no I meant to start a new post, and I have no problem with the skin personally - read my damned review. I did however want to know what you guys thought, to see if you took the same offense that Jeff or whatever his name was, so thanks for that. :)
And yes amp, I love the posbar, in fact I'm still using the skin because of it. There's just somethin about a floatin' moustache.... :D :D :D and JZ I miss Duk because he surely would have had something useful to say about the censorship of ideas, as well as the idea that a skin such as this, which celebrates the life of a man who singlehandedly did cause untold deaths is not censored, while skins celebrating the source of life (women) are. Then someone else might have chimed in with a comment about how skins of women didn't celebrate women, but demeaned them, and then we'd be off and running on an intelligent discussion about whether or not censorship might not in fact be a subconscious expression of our own perversion of one of the most beautiful facets of nature, etc. etc. etc. *whew* :eek: Back to the salt mines..... |
Well I think my last point did cover that...
any way you want a intellegent point about demeaning women? It takes 2 to make a photo one to push the button another to stand in front of the lense... |
I have no problem with the topic. I'm almost on the Soviet side. That is, after all the evil crap that went on here: McCarthyism, etc. What really pushed me over was Dulles' highly stupid comment about "atheist communists" as if this atheist state were something negative.
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I'm liberal to the point where laws mean nothing LOL
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hehe. I'm from the Netherlands. The country where:
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Hows the weather?, if it's as cold and grey as England, I'm moving :D |
the weather pretty much sucks. I think a little colder and more rainy then England :D Btw which part makes you envious? Having marriage plans that we don't know about? :D:D:D
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Soft drugs and hard porn :D, a good combination, mind you euhtanasia also appeals, can think of a few people I would like to put out of there misery LOL, Do they have to be terminally ill ???
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Hah, well JZ- I am as equally Conservative as you are liberal-
and I am not offended by the skin at all. I know reasons why people MIGHT be offended, (i.e. their grandparents were killed by Stalin etc etc) but those same people don't have to d/l it. There is a peculiarity in media bias against evil people however. If the person on the skin was hitler and the commie signs replaced by swastikas, the skin would be attacked as "racist" and "evil" go figure... http://www.sargessmilies.homestead.c...appystalin.gifhttp://www.sargessmilies.homestead.c...appyhitler.gif |
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Look at the history books, Japan 1939-1945 and tell me that isn't offensive to someone Q) what do you call a grown man who sleeps with the light on for 50 years? A) tortured by the Japanese during the war Everything offends someone, I'm sure if my grandfather had been alive today, the whole Japanese thing would have ofended him. But as Xerxes says there is a bias against evil people. ho hum , politics, ummm not today.... |
Well, Nullsoft Ninja Month was much more "Campy Stereotypical Japanese" than "WWII Rape of Nanking Evil Japanese" ...
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Well if you think about it political ideas seem to cause people to do weird things exampls:
Nation/Ideal Span/religon Britian/the empire Japan/the emporior German/nazism Russia/communism USA/capitialism France/De gualle (that fella who took over near the end of WW2) Basically if you motivate people you can get them to do anything... |
You forgot a couple of things (usually recent):
Yugoslavia/Milosevic (communism/militarism/nationalism) Iraq/Saddam (militarism,fanatism) Cuba/Castro (communism,militarism) and many more countries/leaders(dictators)/ideals. And about that motivation thing - some people are too stupid to motivate and will do anything their leader says without any need of motivation. |
heh, YAY Castro I like him lol. Saddam I left out on purpose hes got a few complications and from past experiances talking to amercians about him I've never managed to get very far...
What to know something about the gulf war? I'm telling you anyway the gulf war was started by Kuwiet not Iraq, they STOLE Iraqi oil after Iraq PLEADED with them not to! The US er I me UN suddenly appeared to save the day, yea right they wanted to keep oil prices low so they stepped on a broken country! Now heres the really juicy part: The US and USSR both gave weapons to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war then the the US erm... UN change their minds and attack them! Even after the Iran-Iraq war Iranians went to help the Iraqis not with arms but many Iranians went of their own accord to fight. This isn't relavent but I want to say it: South Korean airliner shot down by the evil commies killing all passagers... then in the Iran-Iraq war a US war ship does the same to a Iranian airline (carring most arabs not persains) and when the crew comes home they all get medals and a parade!!! Isn't it funny how the US can do no wrong?! (Now I'm going to duck as most of you are from the US) |
*takes a swing*... at the media
yeah. and do you want to know how many people actually heard the truth of the story, or have their heads between their shoulders instead of between their cheeks? or actually how many people care about world issues? coming from the us myself, i can say that it isn't many.
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Communism?
Now, in history class, they never seem to get this clear...
Communism = People own industries or go'vt owns industries? Does communism have to oppress people? Or is it just random that all communism has had oppressive dictators? Does communism mean gov't and economy or just economy? |
No one ever understands communism it sadly never works but these are some of the goals of communism:
The Workers: In Russia the workers were supressed and abused by the wealthy, the ideal is to stop that, and then all the workers will be elevated in soicity (Marx) State owned: To prevent the wealthy abusing the poor the state owns the industry Reading/Writing: Everyone will be able to read/write (Lenin) Equality: Everyone is equal The last one is impossible, no system in history has managed that mainly because of the human being itself... |
Living in Croatia I know a lot about communism. And sadly the last thing you said was oh so true.
About that thing about people understanding some things wrong - the media must take all fault for that. The biggest example recently was the war in Bosnia and Croatia . The media put it this way - Croats attacked poor Serbs in Croatia and evil Croats and Serbs attacked even poorer muslims in Bosnia. Which is totally different - Serbs at the same time attacked Bosnia and Croatia by surprise destroying some towns almost to the ground (almost destroyed one town which was and is UNDER UNESCO'S PROTECTION (speaking of barbarism) .Then things in Bosnia got really hot. Muslims and Croats attacked each other while being attacked by Serbia (a religious thing). And in the end Croatia freed itself, Muslims and Croats in Bosnia stopped attacking each other and started pushing Serbs out of the Bosnia. The media (especially CNN) were almost always wrong. And then people and media started putting Croatia and Slovenia into the Balkan box with Serbia & Bosnia though Croatia and expecially Slovenia aren't mentally nor geografically Balkan states. |
Your right, so right, heh I'll give you a example of CNN and the BBC's reports on Bosnia:
CNN: The small Dutch contingant holding the town was over wellmed by vastly larger serb forces. BBC: The Dutch battlion stationed in the town had a technology and size on their side but sat idly by as the massicare took place. I'm inclinded to belive the BBCs version the Dutch have a modern aroumered army a Dutch battalion should have been able to hold off a serbian bridge (thats a force x3 larger) Lets face it you never get the facts... |
Come on lets keep this one going it was just getting interesting...
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JZ_UK is correct that COmmunism does not work because of
the fact that human beings cannot govern themselves perfectly- it is beyond their capacity. In theory, communism is a beautiful thing- even the word "communism" means friendship. However, it is incredibly dangerous. There are 4 main reasons communist states are always backwards: #1 All governments have infighting - the theory of communism does not correctly compensate for this, because if everyone were truly "comrades" this would not happen. Most communist governments are the opposite of their lofty goals- as the "comrades" infight so much as to commonly have political opponents and civilian movements killed. #2 Lack of Competition - this is something rarely taught in schools for reasons I do not comprehend. Maybe because it relies to much on macroeconomics, which is viewed more of a college subject. In any case, one beautiful thing a free market economy does is innovate- competition causes innovation because competing companies are always improving things to increase profit. A wonderful byproduct of that is that this causes the rate of technology to increase steadily. Communism has all state run industries- thus there is no competition, and thus the rate of innovation is severely hindered. This effect trickles down to the household level, since products are not being refined and improved- it causes prices to stagnate and the quality of living to decrease greatly. (For instance- refrigerators were considered a luxury for most russians) #3 Intellectual Integrity For a communist or fundamentalist state to exist in a world with a competing system where people live better lives, it has to maintain morale by controlling the media- to prevent its citizens from wanting the life people in freer countries have. It accomplishes this best by controlling the media viciously. This is a constant attack on individual's intellectual integrity- when you live in a world where only one opinion is allowed, it slowly morphs your thinking into "their way"... comparable to living in a poisonous atmosphere. This has a cumulative affect on many academic disicplines- as certain academics suffer under the idea that some do not "promote the state". #4 Government provides all extraneous services Communist governments also support many many many government programs- while these may or may not be well in meaning, in the end they have a negative effect on the economy because a lot of money in government programs is always "burned" on things like adminstration and other such things. Also, with the people recieving benefits, they are not as motivated to seek to better themselves- and thus enrich the economy. The main reason communism does not work- what ties all these things together is that communism promotes stagnation Stagnant citizens, stagnant economy, stagnant government. This does not always happen immeditatly- i.e. Russia appeared strong for awhile, China appears strong now, but eventually stagnation will destroy the economy (and thus the government budget) from the inside. And eventually you go from stagnation to a negative state, until the country simply collapses (i.e. the USSR) And there you have it. JZ_UK, you being a self described liberal, you are probably a supporter of Socialism, a cousin of communism. Why do you support socialism if you find communism evil? (if you do support socialism that is...) |
well, yes you're right X. The question I've always had though is, is it a 'real' problem, or is it simply taught to us? I mean it sounds impossible to us because its so absolutely foriegn.
I don't really want to get too far into it, but having just done a few papers that dealt with some of these ideas, I'll spiel a little. Imagine you have a farmer, in a frontier setting. For all intents and purposes, he has no rules. He is completely able to provide for himself, and his families needs. That is, what they absolutely require to live from day to day. Yet he chooses to live with other farmers in a community. Why? So that they may aid one another in farming, aid each other in protecting the whole, and aid one another through public stores should one or many of them encounter a state of famine. Anyone who harms another is ostracized if he is found out, since to harm someone is directly contradictory to the reasons these people live with one another. This is a state of perfect communism, it has existed in the past, and it does exist still today. I'll even give you an example within the U.S. JZ, the mennonite communities which are most prolific in the Midwest. The obvious problems to us are the necessary restrictions on intellectual or technological advancement. However, these are not issues to those involved, because they are not needed. There are other important factors involved, obviously (such as the instillment of the basic principles of such a community as morals in the young; see the mennonites once again), but thats the basic jist of it. The point is that these societies usually succeed unless destroyed by a larger power or unless a capitalist or market society is forced upon them. |
I at no point did I say evil if your refering to my qoute in the censorship post I was using how america viewed the situation not my own view point. I do have left of centre feelings, I'm impressed Xerxes. How ever your wrong on a few points you said they were back ward, well stagneting and will die in the end, but that never would have happened if gorbokov (the last leader of the USSR)hadn't have introduced "peristaka" (not spelt right) Russia was and still is cutting edge in a number of things however funds have dryed up. Anyway there are many parts of socialism too many too list infact but basically every leader seems to have cut the bits they don't like and put their own stuff in...
State owned isn't nessacrilly a bad thing I mean many of the UKs sercives were/are state owned the NHS for example. Truly no system can ever work because people can not... |
I'm responding not to respond really ... looks like the topic got covered large & I won't fan the flames my first day back ... but I'm really just here to say ...
Kewl lookie lookie ... my name's in a subject!!! Woohoo!!! ;) :D Thnx for missin' me BG. |
Well,today I'm just going to correct JZ:
USSR's president's name was Gorbachov The thing's name is "perestroika". Hmmm,maybe I will say something else: Ah yes. In Croatia many things were and are owned by government and the saddest things are that they didn't have competition, plus some companies though not directly owned by the government. Today all of those things have competition. And for the end a little funny story that really happened and involves Stalin and Tito (Yugoslavia's president from '45 to 80). Here it goes: Stalin didn't like Tito because he didn't let Stalin control Yugoslavia so he sent assasins to kill him. After 7-8 caught assasins Tito sent him a letter saying : "If you don't stop sending assasins to kill me here, I will send an assasin there and the second one won't be needed :D ". Yugoslavia was consisted then of Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia, today of Serbia and Montenegro (soon it won't exist). And Tito was a Croat. |
welcome home Duk ;)
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Russia was cutting edge?
Russia used most of its government funds and plunked them into the state industries that they wanted to do good- i.e. military and aerospace. Since it was allocated to military, it was not allocated to urban development. Its an either/ or proposition. Once I saw a russian stand up comedian sum the situation up pretty good- "Yes, we developed lots of weapons to defend all our stuff. Problem is, we have no stuff!" ;) Wheras in the free market, US defense contracters worked on some government subsidy but were seperate competing industries that exist to make profit and increase their share value. Competition gave the US on average better quality armaments (There are notable exceptions i.e. the AK-47 rifle) and at much less expense than the USSR- thus allowing the money to be used on other things i.e. the social programs that liberals are so in love with. As far as state owned entities (monopolies) go, what do you think of British Telecom JZ_UK? And Dog, that is a hilarious story! ;) |
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Yea I know my Russian was never very good for some reason :) I know about Stalin, but if it weren't for him the world would have had only 1 super power and when that happens only small countries (vietnam and afganistan) ever stand up against them. When the school yard only has one bully the teachers get scared... Xerxes LOL, yea BT they aren't the sole telecoms company there is some competion but the UK is a much smaller market than the US. In the dull and unpleasant town of Middlesbrough in which I dwell there is only 1 cable modem provider... they can charge what ever the hell they like (£40 a month!!! when they started now its £25) .The US is always consulting the Russians about space becuase they have more experiance, Its true that they are only really still ahead in things with a militry edge, but a mig 29 is a incredible piece of work... |
Mig 29's and AK-47's are quite exceptional, but even then a lot of other less glamourous things related to the military were a complete mess- for instance, their military telecommunications system was notoriously unreliable
during the entire "cold war" Russian military design always seems to stress above all else "Put all the weapons we can on the largest platform" ;) |
Thanks Xerxes - that thing was written in my history book for the 8-th grade - the only thing that made me laugh in the entire book (the book is covering the era from about the 19th century to now).
Another thing,I completely agree that the comunnist states were pretty reckless when it came to andvancement Another link to yet another skin with a nearly same theme: http://www.winamp.com/skins/detail.j...mponentId=3499 I remember seeing a skin - "communist power" or something but I forgot where I found it. And a question to Xerxes: I know you making a Egyptian, Roman and Japanese skin, how about a Persian one (you took a name from a Persian king. |
Well... i was gonna hold off on making anymore culture skins till winamp 3, but now that winamp 3 is out and so very difficult... I suppose i might do another 2.x one. Persian is definitely one i'd like to do- also Incan, andChinese have been possible canidates. I would also like to ones based on Hapsburg Europe, Classic 1800's American Federalist, and the interior of the Palace of Versailles (all these ideas have been floating in my head for months)
and one day maybe I would like to a "Phantom of the Opera" themed one... that's kinda bizarre but I always did like the production. |
Maybe Arabian, Anc. Greek, Phoenician or something.
And btw. congrats for the 2500 posts in advance. |
Yea they made a lot of bad mistakes but so did the US I mean has anyone ever seen a F5? what a waste... Again we hear what ever the side you live in's media wants you to
X: What about the US's A-10? thats the biggest gun on the cheapest plane possible Pointless side note: I'm English-Iranian |
Time for a pop-quiz! :D:D:D :eek: ;) :)
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didn't I start this thread?
I KNOW I KNOW!!!
It's about E. What happens when Duk ditches us to move. :D :eek: :D :eek: :D |
Hehehe!!! Yeah boy! Teach me to abandon my pals, yah?! :D LOL But um ... ain't it me who is Mister Off Topic??? ;)
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