Re: yep
 

Kris; the Winamp e-mail doesn't allow for attachments. You and will learn need to trade addresses

Will Learn
 

Check you're email, I just sent you my email addy, I'll sort the images so they can be posted np

Kris

thanx i had to zip the pic this dam internet of my'n keeps quiting can't wait till i get cable

Got Your Package
 

Meeting the guy on the docks at about 12midnight, he is gonna do the deal there, lol got your screenshot, very good Will, :) um, so you pretty much want it posted so you can post it in here, and other ppl can perhaps have a look?

Kris

u like my skin? wow its 100% MS paint, with a lot of hard work.
I need to give it a texture of some sort hhmm wonder what?.

Will
 

Um ever use Photoshop , it has an amazing amount of plugins you can use to add texture

Kris

hey will learn, please post a link or screenshot here.
I'm curious! ;)

To be honest I dont know how anyone could put out a quality skin, just done in MSPAINT...I tried once for a matrix amp, and it was just about the hardest thing to do, once I finally did get the main skinned, I didnt know how to skin the rest...[i was an extreme computer newbie at the time, was that 4 yrs ago?]...

I'd be really interested in seeing the Cinical Kings skin...

I don't know, the guy who made the Harappa skin wrote that he made it with MS Paint, if my memory serves me right...

nope. i am 100% completeley from USA.

my first two skins (unreleased) were made with skinning tools, but even then, i was altering the templates completely in MS Paint.

my first released skin was 30something hours of slaving on photodeluxe and mspaint....

mspaint is an absolute bitch to use.

if i used photodeluxe instead of mspaint on POD v1.0, it would have taken about ten..

*hates mspaint with a passion*

fsnl
sparky

eo: Limp Bizkit - Faith

My crayolamp skin was done totaly in MSpaint, with the help of a scanner, 5 stars and 270,000 downloads later :D


To this day I still use MSpaint to touch up bitmaps, pixel editing and so on, it's the best program MS ever made, that and solitare.

why dont the review crew even allow those skinner.exe?
cant they just dont allow them?

geez, someone was bored to dig this thread up. Posts jump from 06/01 to 09/01.

anywayz, on topic: I have never used a skinner.exe program of any kind. I have never felt any need to. The template I use in PSP has sufficient layers to make it easy enough for me to copy and paste over to the bmp files. And for anyone who is curious, the very first skin I ever made (in PSP4), was called darkamp.
http://members.aol.com/forevever/winamp/dark.gifclick to download
No avs, no cursors, no mikro, no mbinner. But I'm going to update it for to post on my website later. Very simple and basic and plain, but I did it all by hand. Took me quite a while to do. I didn't have a clue at the time (being my first) and it took me about 100 times longer than it takes me to do something more complicated now. But it was worth it.

The winamp skinsite is for everyone, from the very best five star skins to the skinner.exe skin of billy's gramma. Every skin gets an even chance there. Good skins get a high rating and lots of downloads, bad skins get a low rating and hardly any downloads.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule, take John Slegers for instance. He has uprated his damn skins so much they reside near the top of their categories. This boy has a seriuos problem with review honesty. :rolleyes:

But cant we just have 2 !!! newest skins categories....:( When I try to find a hot skin there I see only skinner skins... :eek: So we could have one with all non-skinner-skins and one only with skinner skins. And I'd be happy :)

They need to bring back the "ugly" catagory :X

Templates
 

I use Photoshop for skinning, but templates always help.

Here are a few from a site I'm putting together. Hope some may find these usefull

http://www.wgskins.happylandit.com/images/main_temp.gif


http://www.wgskins.happylandit.com/i...qmain_temp.gif


http://www.wgskins.happylandit.com/i...ledit_temp.gif

I use similar ones ... but also transkin for making the bitmaps...I just do 2 skins, one with pressed buttons and one with normal ones and put them together...but it's a lot of work anyways



:D An UGLY category?? We do indeed need that :D Or better call it recycle bin :p

I remember back in the day there was an ugly catagory. Thre were a lot of catagories back then that i don't see now. But I wasn't as into winamp.com as I am now so i can't remember too well. Never submitted my own then either.

Here's my point of view, for what it's worth from a newcomer to these forums, and also as a designer.

First off, I notice that there is a button asking "Is this skin a rip?" beneath every skin. And more than 90 percent of the skins I browsed on the first few pages of new skins used copyrighted photos that had been sent through a skinning program and then submitted here. While one can argue that it is "homage" or the only alternative for those with no artistic or design ability, I say that these people are guilty of "ripping." They did NOT take the original photo. They did NOT do anything other than apply a skinning program to it. They did NOT in anyway create something new. In point of fact, they are altering and redistributing somebody else's art or creation without their permission.

(I mention here and now that while I dislike skinner skins, I have no problem with Joe putting a picture of his dog on a skin, or his grandma. These are at least his own pictures, and up to him to distribute and alter how he likes. I also don't really have a problem with people using copyrighted material for private skins, as long as they don't redistribute them as "their own work" in a public forum/site, such as Winamp.)

As it is, everyone and their dog keeps submitting copyrighted material that generally is turned into a crappy user skin, and thus making it hard for quality skins to get viewed and approved. For every one quality skin there is usually about a hundred bad skins. I know. I just spent a good hour surfing through the latest skins. And while it would be nice to say this site is for everyone, perhaps raising the standards might be in order. Make people work a little harder at improving their skins, and letting them know that taking somebody else's creation and skinning it, isn't going to be enough. That it actually takes time and work to create a decent skin. Make usability and creativity a top priority. If you set standards, you will find that people will strive to meet them. (Human nature considering that a challenge, I guess.:) )

Just a few random thoughts, and probably nothing you haven't heard before. But just thought I'd try adding my two cents.

1. Please search the forums thoroughly.
2. Rip is not the correct word for what we mean. Most people around here dislike skinner.exe skins, however, a rip would be someone who actually went to the trouble to steal one of my skins, that is not a skinner.exe skin, and changed some small detail (ie: color) and resubmit it as their own work.
A skinner.exe technically, regardless of where the image came from, is their own work. I mean they actually took the 5 minutes to find the image, 2 minutes to run it through skinner, and who knows how long to submit it (what, with the database problems and all).
3. On your issue with copyright? There are tons of threads on this issue as well. Seperate from the rip issue, if you find someone using a picture that you drew on their skin, you can report it as copyright infringment. It would not necessarily be considered a rip, but would be removed if you could prove it.

oh and one more thing, I did a search for Milla J skins. There are 5 really bad skinner.exe versions. If they removed those, they'd have to remove mine. Not to say that mine is any better than anyone else's, but most certainly better than those 5, and there isn't a skinner type program anywhere on my machine.
It wouldn't be fair to me.

But I do agree with your standards, and I personally think that skinner.exe skins should have their own catagory.

I feel I must disagree. A skinner skin of somebody's copyrighted photo is not their own work...it is the result of tampering with somebody else's work. Anybody can take the same photo and come up with nearly the same results.

I guess we are just disagreeing on our usage of the word "rip" then. I guess I'm used to a slightly harsher definition...but when in Rome....

Perhaps a skinner skin category might be the ticket.

no I agree with you for the most part, but what about people who do good skins with images? Thats what I'm saying.
There are plenty of really good skins out there that use pre-existing images.

Technically, it's still redistribution and a copyright violation (modification of a work of art without copyright holders permission).

I guess, since it has more put into it than your average skinner skin, it would be classified as fan art, which people tend to look at a bit more leniently. While I still might be hesitant to distribute these skins for legal reasons (and fortunately, this is not my decision to make) I have less issue with these than the skinner skins, which are little more than the result of two other people's works--the first being the original photographer, and the second being whoever created the skinning app. Without either of these two, the skin wouldn't exist. The "creator" could be anybody. If Joe takes a picture of Angelina Jolie and runs it through a program that prechops everything for him and skins it...and I take the same picture and do the same thing, who copied whom? Joe doesn't have rights to the original photo and neither do I.

I'd guess we're not too far in agreement here, and judging by the number of people who've complained about skinner skins, neither is most everyone else. And the proliferation of these skins DOES seem to be creating some kind of huge backlog in the application process, which would suggest that at some point, something is going to give: be it bandwidth, sanity of the poor reviewers, or a mass insurrection of enraged Winamp users. :) (Just kidding about that last one. No insurrection forming here.)

The review team was doing a hell of a job before the database crashed.
I'm not going to continue this conversation though.
Check out these threads on the subject.
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=58856
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=59243
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=59126

As one of those reviewers, I can honestly tell you it's the sanity of the reviewers that's going to give. Or is it gone already? :confused: :eek: :mad: :rolleyes: :cool: :p ;) :D :o :( :)

wrong order :p

See, there you have it, sanity gone. :D

you mean your sanity gone?

I refuse to answer that on grounds I might incriminate myself. ;)

lol.. hehe

*suddenly notices the words Southern and Alberta in the same sentence*

Hey, we're neighbours!

Oh ja, where you from?:p

Cowtown.

I'm about 2 hours south of you.:cool:

So....really Southern Alberta...like near Lethbridge or Taber or Cardston. Wow.

Like in Lethbridge, but I do go to Fort MacLeod, Crowsnest Pass, Pincher Creek and Cardston daily. (except weekends).:D

Coo. I haven't been down that way for at least a month....but I have fond memories of Lethbridge. (Not certain why, but I do.) Anyways, nice to see another person from Alberta hanging round. :)