Would you like your MP3's scrambled, over easy, or poached?
 

Ain't that a bitch?:p

:mad:

Will those idiots ever figure out that you can't stop mp3s? :rolleyes:

Only when, in the year 2038, an mp3 being fromed from pure sound energy forms itself from a super computer and devours them all in a fit of encryption loathing rage.

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not to mention all the companies who's profits rely on mp3s.
how many are willing to buy portable players if the only music is low grade, costly, and the selection is limited? i'm referring to the industries' idea of having their own song swap service.

dude, as long as you can hear the music, you can trade it. i mean, sound cards can get pretty high end these days. so if they introduce some stupidass protection thing, it'll be useless. no matter what. until they figure out how to make an MP3 stream right to our brains, we'll trade music.

futile humans
 

they'll never understand that if it can be played it can be pirated.

not like this will ever harm most of us since we're, mostly not, teenyboppers looking for the latest bitchy spears or n'sync single or casual pirates. they'll go after those. they lose the most money from those people.

They aren't adding encryption to CDs so that they can stop people from pirating their own music. They are adding it so that they can prosecute those who find ways around it.

It's just like CSS. It doesn't protect a DVD at all, and never did. But, US law says that using deCSS is illegal, so the companies can prosecute whoever they want for circumventing their BS encryption.

Adding encryption to CDs will make it possible for the record companies to prosecute anyone who uses or creates a program to decrypt a CD.

i'd go to jail before i quit listening to mp3's.

They won't actually prosecute the end users of decryption programs, but they really might prosecute the writers of such programs. :(

ex post facto.

oh wow! DeCSS is illegal....last week, i downloaded it:D

wont they get it. people will always find a way to copy things. so they should just deal with it.

It's kinda ironic how, when Napster was popular, there was only one P2P application on the Top 10 Download lists, Napster.

...now 6 out of the 10 programs listed are Peer 2 Peer applications.

Should've just left Nappy alone.

Oh, RIAA, when will you learn!?

gee. the RIAA only advertised those places even more when they started sueing. its really their fault.

Do you really think that a sad encryption will keep people from ripping music? There will be one person, in one month of the first encrypted cd who will figure out how to crack it. How do i know this? because it has been the truth of everything in a computer since it was first made. Microsoft thought its protection scheme for WindowsXP was fool proof, within one week of the first beta that had the protection, it was leaked, within 3 days of that leak, it was cracked and already hundreds of people had the leaked beta, and were running it without a hitch or noise from ms.

Ever been on security sites? crack searches can be done, for many programs with encryption schemes and protection, all cracked. Why even fret? The music industry is blind to the reality of our own ingenuity, anything that they will devise to hold back rips of music, will be defeated with equal quality.

thats my 2 cents.

Re: futile humans
 

Ice already said it.

I had read that they will be putting small scratches on the cd's. Audio CD players just skip the scratched parts(they are made that way) and it does not affect sound quality. But Cdrom drives dont skip those parts and hence it makes the cd unreadable in a computer cd drive but readable in 98% of audio cd players. So actually they are not encrypting it. So you cannot do anything to crack it as it not related to software. It has to do with the hardware. Although as ElChevelle rightly quoted that if u connect ur audio cd player to the comp. then you can rip it, but how many people have their players close to their pc's??

I hate it when I hear things about a CD working on audio players but not on computers.

If it can play on an audio-CD player, then it can play on a computer-CD player. The technology behind the two is the same. The difference between the CD player in a stereo or car and a CD player in a computer is where the signal goes after the CD player reads it. The player is basically the same, though. It has to be, or it wouldn't work.

If a an audio CD player can read it, then so can a computer CD player.

By the way, my stereo is setting right beside my computer. I could easily run a cable into my computer from the stereo. In fact, I have one running the opposite way.

You are completely wrong! Audio CD players are made to ignore minor scratches on cd's as it does not affect sound quality. But in data cd players they dont, as even if a file is wrong by a byte it gets corrupted. The technology between them is totally different. I always write things of which im sure of. So stop making stupid comments. :o

Damn it. I wrote out a long reply, and then I accidentally closed my browser. I guess I'll try to re-create the post.

First off, Audio CD players and Computer CD players use the same technology, or they would not both be called CD players. Think about it, but not too long. You wouldn't want to hurt that pretty little head of yours. . . .
If you look on the back of your Computer's CD player, you'll see three cords. The first is a power cord. The second is an ATA cord. The third is an audio cord. (Reverse the number if you are starting on the inside edge.)

The ATA cable is used to transmit from a data CD to the ATA controller, which it turn releases the data to whatever requested it. Note: this is not the cable used when playing or ripping a CD, at least not for the actual audio.


The audio cable is the cable linking the CD player to the sound card. This carries the audio, allowing you to play a CD on your computer. If you remove this cable, your audio CDs will not play, at least not audibly. Also note, this calble is equivalent to a stereo RCA cable. It carries the same information with a different plug on the end.
If you play an audio CD on your computer, then the audio information is passed through the audio cable to your sound card. The same thing happens when you rip a CD. The same thing happens when you play a CD on your stereo. The audio is sent down a cable to a circuitboard capable of using it. Inside your computer, it's the sound card. Inside a stereo, it's the player's control circuit.

It's the same process whether the player is in a computer or a stereo. It's the same technology. Data CDs go through a different process, but the CD player in your stereo has the capability to read a data CD. The circuitboard it sends the data to doesn't know what to do with the signal though, so you'll get an error.

Audio CD players are design to replace corrupt sections of a CD during playback. They do this in several ways, and I really don't feel like going into it. Your computer's CD player does the same thing if you are playing an audio CD, though. It automatically repairs the signal, using the same features as audio CD players. The signal from a data CD can't be repaired, because the data is missing. In fact the audio from an audio CD can't be repaired either, but CD players mask the missing information, so it's harder to notice. If you get a really scratchy CD, you'll be able to tell. Enough scratches make it sound "static-y."

Bottom line, the technology is the same. It's the same in your car, in your stereo, and in your computer. If one can play it, all three can.

I'm not talking about playing cd's, im talking about copying cd's which is necessary for making high quality digital rips.

One method is the scratches one.(which completely blocks copying)
There is another method too - (from cnet.com)

"The Macrovision tests are based on a technology acquired from Israeli company TTR Technologies. Rather than blocking copying altogether, the technology introduces some digital distortion into a file. Macrovision says this is all but inaudible when a CD is played through an ordinary CD player, but when a song is copied into digital format on a PC's hard drive, the distortion shows up as annoying "clicks and pops" in the music. "

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6604222.html

Some more proof
 

From - http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns9999998

"The patents say the system deliberately gives some of the digital code on the CD "grossly erroneous values", adding bursts of hiss to the audio signal. In addition, the error-correction codes on the CD, which would normally correct such errors, are distorted. So error correction fails, leaving tiny gaps in the music.

When this happens, a consumer CD player bridges the gaps. It looks at the music on either side of the gap and interpolates a replacement section. A computer does the same when playing CDs for listening.

But the computer's CD drive cannot repair the digital data going to the hard disc. So the hard disc copies nothing, or a nasty noise. TTR says the repairs made by a music CD player are not audible. Macrovision has improved the TTR system, says David Simmons, managing director of Macrovision's British subsidiary."

I understand that audio cd players and cdrom's are same in playback. Sorry for troubling you.

:D

You could've posted all that in a single reply. . . .

Copying a CD is not a problem. If it can be played on a CD player, it can be copied. If the data is strong enough to play, then a decent CD copying program could copy it. CD-Clone certainly could, because it rips directly and reburns, but for bit.

CD copying is not necessary for making high quality rips. I can make MP3s without copying a CD. I can make 100% quality WAVs without copying a CD.

On the other hand, it is possible that converting the signal to MP3 would cause an erroneous signal to degrade severely, which is what these methods might be designed to do. Still, it would be easy to write a program (not easy for me, but for some guys I know) designed to brdge these gaps before compression. If it can be done in hardware (and it is), it could be done it software.

Once again, if it can be played, it can be pirated. I could still just use the line-in on my card and play the CD on my stereo, although it would suck doing so, and there would be some signal loss.

I'm sure they could save time and money if they pooled their efforts/cash and paid off all media makers to stop producing CD-R/CD-RW media for the general public.
Then anarchy will set in, national guard will be called out, martial law put into effect, militias organized and armed, nuclear silo commandeered, warheads set off, population wiped out.
Mission:accomplished:p

Just another day at the office, eh? :D

i personally don't think it is possible
you can crack anything on a computer, any file, and make it do what you want. filtering is not going to happen.

That's what I'm trying to say. If it is binary data, then someone can write a program to use it. :)

code:
#define m(i)(x[i]^s[i+84])<<

unsigned char x[5],y,s[2048];main(n){for(read(0,x,5);read(0,s,n=2048);write(1,s

,n))if(s[y=s[13]%8+20]/16%4==1){int i=m(1)17^256+m(0)8,k=m(2)0,j=m(4)17^m(3)9^k

*2-k%8^8,a=0,c=26;for(s[y]-=16;--c;j*=2)a=a*2^i&1,i=i/2^j&1<<24;for(j=127;++j<n

;c=c>y)c+=y=i^i/8^i>>4^i>>12,i=i>>8^y<<17,a^=a>>14,y=a^a*8^a<<6,a=a>>8^y<<9,k=s

[j],k="7Wo~'G_\216"[k&7]+2^"cr3sfw6v;*k+>/n."[k>>4]*2^k*257/8,s[j]=k^(k&k*2&34)

*6^c+~y;}}

There ya go... DeCSS...

This is the COOLEST DeCSS though... muahaha...

yes and that did so much for me :confused: :confused: :confused:

that picture could've been done in an image editor with the right plug-in support... easily

but if someone did it by hand :confused: why would they do a dvd logo?

I really doubt someone actually did that by hand. I pity them if they did.

where do i get it? hehe

http://www.mosascii.com/

:D

remember mp2? when will mp4 be realeased?

We're still waiting on MP3.1:p

mp4 has already been released, but it's just a piece of crap that controlled the time you could listen to the song.

It was basically an mp3 with a player built into it which could control all sorts of things, including a timeout date when you couldn't listen to it anymore.

[voice="Laura Ingraham"]And that brings us to the lie of the day[/voice] :D


But really...

yeah...mp4 died right away.

just a exe type file that you ran, and it played a song...then would stop workin after a few times

mp4s are not what people want. I read somewhere that the next line of music files are mp3 pro. (which might be mp3.1 but i'm not sure) Supposedly if the song is under six or seven minutes, the file will be small enough to fit on a floppy. Also they are supposed to closer to CD quality than standard mp3's were. And since it's new there are no rules against them so when it comes out, everyone is going to grab every song they can.

MP3 pro is hella copyrighted. The music industry is in bed with every company instrumental in the creation of mp3 pro. I really don't see it catching on. I hope it doesn't, at least.

I'd like to see it, but only if it's developed by someone not in the encryption wars, e.g., Nullsoft :D

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