Re: Dick Nixon
 

Save one thing- "I am not a crook" ;)

He was above all a great diplomat- and he had charisma. Some people interpret his charisma now as an "Evil aura", but then again he was the only president to be on "Laugh-In". I never saw Mr People Person Clinton on any variety/game shows. ;)

He did (or funded) a bad thing, and he has been nearly demonized for it despite being an effective president. (Although I am still mixed about the decision to lift the gold standard)

That is one of the things I like most about this board, people don't just flame away at one another over every little thing.
A regular bunch of diplomats ye be!
And great company as I am discovering.

Randman is right - Its a long running "happy feud" that we both enjoy. And you just have to love the unique irony of a young conservative who loves old and classic tradition vs. a ... much older hippy democrat. Ah yes, the irony :)

Thankyou so much for your response Xerxes.
I really was curious why you disliked a period in history.
I'm sure allot of people would agree with you.
In my case:
In the 60's I looked at my dad.
Here was a man who embodied everything that came before the 60's.
He wore a suit to work everyday, and worked at the "bomber plant",
where at one time they made the B-52 bombers, then the C-130 Hercules.
He listened to old country music, Lawrence Welk, drank whiskey on the weekends,
and held the same views as everyone else his age.
And my mom, who fit right into the American Dream of the 40's and 50's.
Everything up to that point in America was status quo. What we called establishment.
Nothing exciting going on, except Beatniks. :D
Also there was Vietnam.

There had to be more to life. Not only in my home, but in everything around me. So I rebelled. I let my hair grow out. I started doing drugs. I started getting involved in music, poetry, writing, photography. I left home, hitchhiked around the country for a year, lived on a commune, worked different jobs, explored life.

I was a part of great change in history, not only in my little world, but a change that came over the world itself. Things had to change.
Peoples minds had to expand and explore. Lifestyles changed, music changed, the arts changed, philosophies differed, politics changed,
people were afraid of a stagnant future and a frozen past. And we couldn't leave it up to anyone else to make these changes. We as a generation had to face hatred and physical violence. We were even killed on a college campus for standing up for what we believed in.
Where else in American history were young people shot and killed by the national gaurd and police for standing up for what they believed in. We carried on because we thought there was more to life, that things could be better. There had to be other choices to make, other directions to take.

I will admit that allot of the things we fought for are lost today.
There's allot of things today that aren't good or right. Times have changed again. Maybe it is because of things we did. Maybe its because things we fought for have become twisted in present times.
I don't know. But, we're proud of the good things we did. We opened up the minds and souls of life. We gave people choices in life.

There is allot of good that came from the 60's that is evident in our time today. And I'll admit bad too. And one day in the future a time will come again when young people stand up for a change. And it will be done how they think is necessary to carry on. But they must have the courage that we did to make it happen.

Thanks again Xerxes, for giving me pause to reflect.
Sorry for such a long post.

Now if I could just get you to use the word "much" as an adjective more conservatively...... ;)

Hahaha!
Friendly political discussion is sort of like a friendly knife fight sometimes.
I had to give up on being a liberal or a conservative, I'm one of those situational ethic kind of guys.
Most of us in the "Raging Hippie Horde" have become yuppies, having sold our soul for Rolexes and Big houses.
Some of us hung on to what it was about all the time, which was:
Peace.
Love.
and
Rock N Roll.
And maybe just a little about screwing with our brain chemistry.

Right on!
Well said Papadoc!
Well said indeed!
Keep on truckin!

Boy did I just get off on a tear.
I didn't realize that post was that big.
Wooooops
Oh well, like you said Jon Deaux...
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/7958/truckin.gif
Keep on truckin!

Well yes I'm sure thats a lot of it right there. The perfect example is your hippies' beloved Woodstock. All the loud music and the mud and the sex and drugs... personally not MY type of social gathering, but an "Artistic Landmark" all the same ... I suppose. ;) (it comes off to me like a giant dirty primitive mud orgy...yuck. ;) )

Well... now you contrast that with the most recent Woodstock- was that Woodstock 99? I think so. Well... as i'm sure you remember, it was all the current popular bands of the time, and they grossly overcharged on everything. (5-6 $ for a water cup If I Remember) And then some idiot off one of the bands (was it Durst?) tells the audience to "break shit", and the obedient audience proceeded to riot and it ended in a fiery heap of stage equipment and concession stands. Plus there were multiple rapings.

Hippies were promiscuous drug using pacifists. But one thing they were not really was destructive, as in physically destroying things.
To me this says that ideals of the 60's have no context in this present society, wheras the key word was love before, I think its "cynicism" today.

God dangit, I tried to be tactful there. I actually took a minute with my word choice and thought "Should I put 'aged' there? 'Elder'? 'Very Old'?" ... well... sorry :) i tried :)

I never managed the pacifist bit.
Guess I just have too much red meat in my diet.
Or maybe it's because I never responded to this ad.....

What's really scary is that the older I've gotten,
the more conservative I've become.
Oh NO...tell me this isn't happening.
:D

Man, I'm glad you said that Papadoc, I was afraid it was just me.

By the way, thank you Xerxes for the Classical music!
Good stuff that!

I think its because you witness how History unfolds and doesn't always favor the person or party with the "nicest" intentions.

The trick is getting to the people who have developed an immunity (i.e. randman :) )

Don't know if you and Xerxes know this, maybe you do,
but Digitally Imported from the Shoutcast list has continuous classical music.
It's listed at the bottom of their streams.
Very good music too, from the old masters to newer stuff.

:D

I think it has a lot to do with your economic situation (amongst other things obviously). Those who are wealthy or at least upper-middleclass, tend to vote Republican. Those of us who struggle to get by from day to day (in my case, I'm medically disabled) tend to vote Democratic. Those are the extremes I guess. Then there is the huge middle class who generally votes the way their parents did. :)

I get a little scared when I hear a candidate talking about messing with Social Security or cutting funds for medical research. It hits too close to home.

Bummer.
I have too much server lag up here to enjoy much streamed music.
The sort of sampling rates I prefer require more bandwidth than I have:(
constant re-buffering and server time outs makes it no bueno, unless I want to listen to a really low info stream to hear talk I aint got streaming diddley squat.
I set up an ISP in a town not far from here not long ago and we could only get one T1 line.
I've been thinking about getting a satelite hookup and selling enough 56K subs to make it pay for itself with a little gravy, got room and equipment, ambition is sorely lacking though (mostly hate thinking about phone support).

You are very welcome my friend- I do it because I care about everyone's musical health. As it was once famously said, Man can not live on "Bizkits" alone :)

Whoa there horsey! Political inclinations is not inextricably linked to wealth. I need merely to point to the case of Canada. The evil socialist state that it is, everyone is in on the act of throwing money at whatever problems they see. Now, the most leftist folk tend to be the intelligentsia, who are generally well off. I, on the right, was upper lower class for the majority of my life. Of course, you could say that I'm an exception, but that doesn't explain the legions of Canadian doctors, historians, professors, lawyers and other professionals which comprise the socialist cadre of Canada.

"As it was once famously said, Man can not live on "Bizkits" alone".

To Quothe the dear departed Screaming Jaye Hawkins;
"He Gots to have JAM".

That is because the "socialist" states that are run in the world are not true socialist states. They should be in the control of the common man, but the fatcats will never let that happen, as they won't get their monthly bonuses. For this reason, the people who always seem to benefit most from the provisions that are provided by the "socialist" state are the very people who don't need it!

And old classmate of mine calls himself a hippie.

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And. My father was a hippie. Don't know about now, though. :p

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You know what Bilbo? For the first time in recorded history, you and I agree on a political issue. But let me just modify what you said a little bit.

The people who always seem to benefit most from the provisions that are provided by the "socialist" state are the very people who don't deserve it!

Creating prison environments that are more comfortable than a life of crime is undeserving of the hard working citizens of a nation. Free health care to people who have no input in the economy is unfair. Opening the doors of immigration just to fill a racial quota while Canadians are jobless is unfair. Giving out unemployment checks to a man who got himself fired because of incomptence is unfair. There are simply thousands of things wrong with the way money is handled in a socialist state.

How can one know if someone got himself fired or simply can't find a job?
Those in need should be helped.
Solidarity.
Love is the answer.
Uhm. Bleeäårp.

Miracles can happen. I feel so proud :)

But i do not think it is wrong.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights has no effect of law. The document is just echoing the sentiments and beliefs of it's (socialist) drafters. I could just as easily quote Ayn Rand, and tell you that nations must follow his advice. You have to look at the constitutions of individual states to see what a nation is required to provide to it's citizens.

There you go. Point illustrated perfectly :)

Someone once complained about having to pay for helping unemployed people.
I asked him this: What is the problem? That you are forced to help or that you don't want to?
You see the difference? :)
Again. Love is the answer.
I know not much. But this, I know. ;)

Charity comes out of choice, as does love. You cannot force me to love someone, the same way you cannot force me to give charity.

No.
I think you misunderstood me.
What I meant was: the problem is that not all choose to love.

The problem is that anyone can get a free ride on the system- and when people are handed out money, they don't want to work. This I know.

Why? Because in my house we have an alcoholic who doesn't work and lives off his dead fathers' inheritance, even though he knows the money will drain up in about 7 years. He's happy with his stagnant 2 40 ouncers a night existence. He is not forced to work, thus he doesnt. He's my relative, he's nice (when he's sober:rolleyes: ) I love him sure but i'd like to see him working and supporting himself.

And the solution is not to force them to love.

Then he needs help.
Not economical, but social, and so on.
That, I did not either say.
There are wrong-doers everywhere.
Both on the right-side and on the left-side of politics.
But still, the major problem isn't that people is forced to help. :p
Ah well.
We are just humans after all.. and as such, we have perfected the art of exterminating ourselves.. :rolleyes:

Yes it is. Welfare is forced charity, and instead of solving anything, it creates sloth, and a hundred million problems resulting from that.

Nay! It is entirely an economic problem! If I was in his situation I would probably do the same! He has enough inheritance money to keep a room in our house, to buy two 40 ounce bottles a night, and a computer to play on in the morning. There is no motivation for him to better himself because he is COMPLETELY happy with the life he has. If he was forced to work, then he would have to work to earn money to buy alcohol and computers. And then he drinks so much of it he would realize that he couldn't go to work at 11AM everyday due to his daily hangover, and so he would forced to start cutting back his habit. But, no, everything has been handed to him, and he's a 30 year old derilect :mad:

Devil Girl says, "Back on topic, worms!!!" :p



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This is a thread for hippies. :D

(Actually I'm enjoying the chance to gain a little insight into why some of you think the way you do. ;) BTW, my medical disability has nothing to do with alchohol. I drink about 2 beers a week. Final note: I said I thought a person's economic situation was a major factor in how they lean politically. I didn't say it was the only factor. I even qualified that up front.)

What Miss Devil Girl? I'm sorry. I'll stay on topic. Please don't whip me!!!

That's right young wippersnappers!!!
Back On Topic
or Dale Steinberger will shoot you down. :D
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I am scared :D