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rm' 19th February 2002 03:48

Still not convinced that Hotmail is the crappiest service in the world?
 
For the love of God, BOYCOTT THE USE OF HOTMAIL!!!

http://home.primus.ca/~bakht/boycotthotmail.png

I honestly couldn't care less that I've released this info publically..... I rarely, if ever, use hotmail. Besides, MS seems to enjoy broadcasting it to the world anyway.

DJ Shredder 19th February 2002 03:53

LOL :D

Hotmail does pretty much suck, doesn't it?


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Curi0us_George 19th February 2002 03:59

Haha. :D That's great. If you aer going to use Hotmail, you might as well leave your usename and password taped to your desk. :) Maybe this is part of their "free" plan. You get some actual security only if you pay . . .

rm' 19th February 2002 04:04

Visions of BUHM (Boycott Use of Hotmail) danced in his head.....

/me opens up EmEdit to do some HTML coding

n_ick2000 19th February 2002 04:05

OMG. Hotmail is that bad? what a pos. Yahoo mail is awesome.

Flynnz 19th February 2002 04:13

MyRealbox all the way..

(Yahoo's great too though.)

rm' 19th February 2002 04:51

I'm a lazy ass bastard. If someone with the l33t skillz wants to donate their time and talent to create a nice, pretty, cross-browser compatible page for BUHM, I'd gladly host all files, images, etc. Hotmail must die a horrible death. I will not rest until I see it so :mad:

requirements (if you are interested in making a page):
-Quick to load
-Just 1 page (I want to keep my web directory clean)
-A section for displaying screenshots of the follies of Hotmail 9such as the one above)
-Mission statement (I will write it)
-CSS (embedded in the <head> would be preferable) so it's easy for me to maintain
-In essence, a template for me to work from. I like the BURP site

I will do all maintenance and updates (not likely needed, because Hotmail's service is as crappy as it was 1 year ago :p).

rm' 19th February 2002 04:56

Quote:

Originally posted by Curi0us_George
Maybe this is part of their "free" plan. You get some actual security only if you pay . . .
What is especially vile is that they use SSL for the MSN Passport submission to trick you into thinking your user info is safe. Seriously, this is a major issue, because the MSN Passport is used for ecommerce authentication :mad::mad::mad:

Do they not realize that their users use Hotmail in public locations, where they do not have complete monitor/screen privacy? After all, isn't one of their selling points that you can use Hotmail wherever you are? Such as internet cafes or libraries... seriously, they may as well remove the password char from the password box. Pathetic.

_Blackdog_ 19th February 2002 05:06

well, all i use hotmail for is my porn emails (i get at least 50 a day!) so its still good for that.:) but you're completely right. people have been given a false sense of security. another reason why microsoft can suck my balls!

rm' 19th February 2002 08:29

MS is just using stop gap measures for their many security flaws. There was that big fufarraw about people being able to sign into your account, so they implemented SSL. Yet they didn't solve any problems. Thinking that your password was protected from hackers by SSL protection, they left your password unecrypted, not caring that it's fully visible to anyone within 10ft of your monitor. They won't care until several hundred users have their accounts logged into without their authorization. Spread the word. Hotmail is evil.

Bilbo Baggins 19th February 2002 09:06

I prefer to use my email account from my ISP.

fwgx 19th February 2002 09:17

I got a myrealbox account because the file limit restrictions on Hotmail are more than annoying. The service is great with that account now :)

Merlin 19th February 2002 14:23

Didn't do that when I tried logging in - just the usual ?curmbox= business.

deathazre 19th February 2002 14:50

that's after a couple of forwards.

baafie 19th February 2002 14:57

Quote:

Originally posted by _Blackdog_
well, all i use hotmail for is my porn emails (i get at least 50 a day!) so its still good for that.:) but you're completely right. people have been given a false sense of security. another reason why microsoft can suck my balls!
Speaking of which, I am reporting spammers who send those lovely messages to my mailbox to their ISPs right now:)

No Name 19th February 2002 15:10

yeah hotmail is crrrrap.

I should move all my contacts to my ISP email, but im so f'n lazy. :( Pathetic:down:

OutKast 19th February 2002 15:11

I am a twisted lazy barstard.
I use AOL mail.
I eat chicken heads.
I use AOL mail.
I go on killing sprees.
I use AOL mail.

Mainly because i am too lazy to go to Yahoo,
Log in.
Look through them.

Everything above is false except, i really do use AOL mail.

missyob 19th February 2002 15:48

Like I have said before, Hotmail sucks.

Use Yahoo!

Do you Yahoo?


~ Missy

deathazre 19th February 2002 16:07

Hello mercman2,
Thank you for writing to MSN Hotmail.

This is June and I am writing in response to your inquiry.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused you, but please reply to
this message and reword your question. More specific details improve my chances
of understanding and detecting your problem. Be sure to include your Hotmail
sign-in name and the type of browser that you use.

I look forward to hearing from you again and resolving your problem. Thank you
for your patience.

Remember that MSN Hotmail also has comprehensive online help available--just
click "Help" in the upper right corner.

Sincerely,

June P.
MSN Hotmail Customer Support


--- Original Message ---
From: mercman2@hotmail.com
To: "MSN Hotmail Support" <support_x@css.one.microsoft.com>
Sent: Tue Feb 19 07:52:50 PST 2002
Subject: Broken / Other / Other

Date: Tue Feb 19 10:52:01 2002

Operating System: windows millennium
Connection Type: cable modem
Browser Type: ie 5+

I need my login security fixed! --->
http://home.primus.ca/~bakht/boycotthotmail.png

baafie 19th February 2002 16:08

I receive spam on my Yahoo account too.

prem1er 19th February 2002 23:07

Hotmail sucks nut
 
My Hotmail kicks ass for porn, I'm constantly finding new ways to give it to my girlfriend, but for a good email service I think I'll stick to my Outlook Express.

fwgx 19th February 2002 23:15

deathazre, that is priceless! How stupid are these pepole?

henry3k56 19th February 2002 23:27

I use Hotmail, its not that bad. It doesn't show my username/psswd when I log on. I get over 100 e-mails from Winamp.com Forum Replies daily. I rip off Hotmail.:D

[LMF]ZeroKool 20th February 2002 02:57

I still blame Micro$oft for the Hotmail's debacle.

Yahoo, well I rarely use it.

Hotmail is still (presently)good.

rm' 20th February 2002 03:13

Quote:

Originally posted by [LMF]ZeroKool
Hotmail is still (presently)good.
No, it is not.
  • Your inbox is incredibly small (it is capped at 2MB)*
  • @hotmail.com is the most spam prone domain name on the planet
  • Their highest spam filtering setting doesn't work (I still get >20 spam messages a day even though I have it set to only accept users from my address book... and my address book is empty)
  • They tag on an ad at the end of all your messages
  • They provide no real security (see above)
  • More attempts have been made to hack into Hotmail accounts than any other service
  • Their web access doesn't render well on many browsers... it's optimized only for IE

and many, many more reasons.

*That equates to 683 spam messages (at 3kb a piece) before your important emails are automatically deleted. At 20 spam messages a day (conservative figure) at the highest filtering setting, it will only take 34 days before your messages start to get deleted. Pathetic.

_Blackdog_ 20th February 2002 03:28

Quote:

More attempts have been made to hack into Hotmail accounts than any other service
i remember seeing somewhere how to hack into a hotmail account. apparently, when you click "i lost my password" an automated email is generated and sent to hotmail. all you have to do is fill in the username and your alternate email address and you get the password. not too difficult to crack.

deathazre 20th February 2002 21:01

LOL


Hello mercman2,

This is Sharon and I am writing in response to your inquiry.

I would like to verify if the account you are having problem with. Please
send me the account in question in this
format:
username@domain.com

The more detail you provide, the better my ability to respond to your
>support request.

I apologize for any inconvenience that you have experienced and for the delay
in responding to your e-mail. Please ignore this e-mail if your
problem has already been resolved.


Sincerely ,

Sharon S.
MSN Hotmail Customer Support


--- Original Message ---
From: mercman2@hotmail.com
To: "MSN Hotmail Support" <support_x@css.one.microsoft.com>
Sent: Tue Feb 19 09:15:07 PST 2002
Subject: RE: CST60414723ID - Broken / Other / Other

reword my question? Look at the picture I linked and see if you can find the
problem. (here's a hint: it's on the right)

PhotoFx 20th February 2002 21:04

does anyone else sense some serious gramatical errors in the first part of that reply? :p I do. Which is very funny.

rm' 20th February 2002 21:05

Quote:

Originally posted by deathazre
I would like to verify if the account you are having problem with.
A) They need to recheck their grammar.
B) Why is this from Sharon and the first from June?
C) It appears that they just use a bot to scan emails for common questions, and send a canned reply.

PhotoFx 20th February 2002 21:12

Quote:

originally posted by Radioactive Man
C)It appears that they just use a bot to scan emails for common questions, and send a canned reply.
dost thou think so?:D

Bilbo Baggins 20th February 2002 21:16

I quite like hotmail.

eleet-2k2 20th February 2002 21:59

I like hotmail and all I can say is, what happed with your Hotmail account in that pic? When I log in, I made a movie of the whole sign-in and -out process and not once, did hotmail reveal my username or password in letters, unless it was numerically coded. Did you edit that yourself?

How did you log on (private, public or none (at hotmail))?

What version of IE are you using?

Hollow 20th February 2002 22:20

i use bigfoot and just forward it to my main address. So far, spam free. the only downside i guess is that it has to be forwarded, you cant view it through a webpage.

deathazre 20th February 2002 23:47

there's 2 or 3 steps to the hotmail login.

Lain 21st February 2002 11:42

I can't even get into hotmail. All i get is a 404 when I sign in.:hang:

SSJ4 Gogitta 21st February 2002 12:54

1 Attachment(s)
Odd, my URL does NOT show my username and password when i log in. Im given this:

http://lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/hmhome?curmbox=F000000001&a=253bccbbc848d47065b5337c8870bc4e&fti=yes&_lang=EN

Lain, in IE go to Help, and About IE, and check your Cypher Strength. It needs to say 128-bit, if it says 0, then you cannot log onto hotmail, because hotmail uses 128-bit emcryption. If it shows 0, redownload and re-install IE from microsoft.com

Lain 21st February 2002 15:35

The reinstall worked. Thanks.:)

rm' 21st February 2002 16:10

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4_Gogitta
Odd, my URL does NOT show my username and password when i log in. Im given this:
This is the point after you enter SSL authentication, and before you exit (i.e. when the server is checking your password, and hasn't logged you in yet).

binary hero 21st February 2002 16:11

whetehr it happens all the time or just 1 in every 1E9999 times doesn't matter. It shouldn't matter how you log in, when you log in, or if you log in whilst hanging upside down from a tree, it shouldn't happen! EVER! It shouldn't happen at all. I use Talk21 mail (guess the website), it's a bit slow at times, but it works and i don't get any spam.

Cleanup 21st February 2002 21:24

Hotmail is pretty bad, but I still use it, too lazy to use something else...

I got a new Hotmail account and DID NOT turn the Junk Mail Filter on. They say this will forward "Junk" to your Junk Mail folder. And it does, but not all of it.

Truth is, is that people and companies get your email address through lists of people who've turned the Filter on. Hotmail keeps the lists and distrubutes them. So I don't get any junk mail at all on my new account.


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