Pulled by the pigs!
 

ok picture the scene im down at the local boy racer haunt at festival park staffordsire UK and i have about 5 or six friends in there cars around me plus passangers.

Were on a straight quiet dead end road that no one uses at night cause its on an industrial estate (cloases around 6) someone gets a digital camera out and decideds to film some racing, so off two cars trundle to the bottom of the road while the rest of us at the top look out for on coming traffic (none of which came) and the fuzz.

At the wave of an arm two cars come flying down the road either side each other pulling about 50MPH, this carrys on for about an hour, me until this moment remaining an innocent by stander (with my stereo entertaining the large crowd) after no end of taunts and pushes i give in to the peer pressure and decided to have a go in my baby (1.6 VW jetta tx)

so i drive to the end of the road with a VR6 2.8i VW golf Mk4 i turn around and line up next to the golf and bow to the driver in the knowlage that my car has no chance of winning in the slightest he laughs i put it in first and wait for the green light (ok my mate waving his hands in the air the other side of the road.

off we go 30... 40... 50... thats it. brake b4 the corner got my ass totataly whiped he must have ben 10 secs in front of me again i acnowlage to the crowd how well and truly beaten i was (very sportsmen like)

the vr6 returns and races twice with a hyondi and a punto races twice with a ford KA followed by a vaxaull nova and a corser sri.

stupidly i again decide its time to see what i have under the bonnet knowing the risks i line up at the bottom of the road with a vaxuall nova 1.4 SR, but whats this a car coming round the corner at the top ?? looks like... S**t!! the rozzers, not only am i lined up at the bottom of a road with another car ready to go kick some ass, but (unbeknownst to me) i have my friends weed sitting in my ash tray doh!

the car pulls about 50 yards in front of us and flashes its blue lights, a police officer gets out and walks over to my window, and tells me to turn off my engine and wait there, he then walks over to the other car and interviews the other driver. Im sitting there on my own in the knowlage of a cctv camera that looks all down the road that im on and may have caught me in my previouse attemp at racing the golf. very worried at the prospect of loosing my licence i sit nice and quiet and wait for the police officer to aproach me.

"excuse me sir can you tell me what you are doing here?" he asks

"er nothin" i said (cautious not to incriminate my self)

"are you telling me the truth?" he asked

"yes sir" (i replied hopeing the respect i give him will help him see that im not a bad lad really)

"your not are you ?" he replied

this went on two to three times more b4 her asked me to step out of the car where he again questioned me.

i then decided to use my right to scilence this seemed to enrage the officer who then asked me to get into the back of his car, this is where i realised that if there is only one police officer presant its his word against yours and you could admit to anythihng and he couldnt proove it so i decided to give myself up

"racing" i said "i was racing"

"a you see that wasnt hard now was it?, do you think you are a good driver ?"

"im ok" i replied "good enough to hold a licence i suppose"

"how old are you ?" he asked

"18 sir"

"when did you pass your test?" more questions!!

"october 11 2001" i replied

"so you have been driving less than a year and you think your good enough to go racing peeple down a street, what do you do if your veichle gose into a rear skid ?" he asked hopeing i wouldnt have a clue of the answer

"turn into it" i replied

"what do you do if your veichle goes in to a front end skid?" he asked

"let the brakes on and off till you slow up or stop skidding" i answered

"what do you do if you have a blow out at 70 mph ?"

"pray? i dont know officer" i replied

he then said "right what we are going to do is check out your car anything we find wrong with it were going to book you for"

(luckily i know all my tires are fine (fronts are new 2 days ago, rears are good enough), i also know all my lights are fine and i have a spear tire, what i hoped is that they dont open the boot and find a loose battery 2 loose amps and a loose sub roling around.

he asked me to open the bonnet and he checked my battery in there, (i have 2 in the car) luckily last time i looked at it i had fastened it nice and tight or it could have been three points (out of six) he checked the car itself body work etc and came to the conclusion my car was tip top (luckily) no points no fines)

bearing in mind it was like 5 degrees c and had snowed earlier in the day (all melted tho) he stood me outside while he questioned me about what i could have done and told me what could happen, as i have found police officers in the past (when i had my mp3 player stolen off me at nife point) he was very fair and everything he said was true and i shouldnt have been doing what i was doing he let me off only to have to produce my licence MOT and insurance documents at a local boy in blue station within 7 days (he also marked that it was a routine check on the peice of paper so my dad wouldnt kill me very nice of him) he let me go

i now with my friend informing me he had left a joint in the ash tray the whole time drove off to find my friends to tell them what had happened and try to work off the nervouse and cold shake i had developed

moral of the story

i learnt my lesson dont bother racing even if people jeer you on i dunno about you but if i lost my drivers licence i wouldnt know what to do i may as well become a hermit

and if you kill someone you will never forgive yourself

and your car likes to be driven smoothly not on the read line all the time

after this ill be down there tomorow but i wont be racing (i dont think anyone will) ill stick to showing my stereo and occasional trips to McDonalds for the moment anyway.

laters anyways... DB

Personally, i think the whole boy racer ethos is stupid and immature. It is also very dangerous. People like you should be locked up ;)

1.6????? damn thats small. but yeah, VW's arent meant to be raced.

Im with Bilbo

It's not something that really appeals to me - I'm not a big fan of making music so loud that you need industrial ear protectors to be able to go anywhere near the car.

Although it doesn't appeal to me, I can understand why people enjoy cruise meets, and to that end I think there should be more legal meets on airfields and things where no damage can come to other people.

You were lucky not to get ticketed by the law though - they did me for speeding on an empty motorway (yes, I'm still bitter about it!)

'cept for off-road rallies.

Um… anyway I think anybody who thinks they're a good driver just because they can go fast in a straight line is an idiot. good to see you're not one of those, dead-beat…

I used to have a VW Polo G40. 1.3 litre supercharged. Only 600 or so came into the country, most of which went into a one make race series. 0-60 in 8secs and 115bhp is quite a lot for something so small. I had to get rid of her in the end because I couldn't afford to keep her going [sigh]:(

my truck engine is over twice that size and only has another 25 HP!!!

leave the racing to the pros.

There are boy racers at my school. I do not see the fun or enjoyment to be had out of spending hunreds, sometimes thousands of pounds on spoilers, alloy, souping your engine etc etc, when all the point of a car is to go from A to B.

BMW produced a 1.6 liter engine one time that had over 1200 horsepower. They don't know the exact number because it maxed out the dyno.

BMW make fantastic engines. Honda may be better but not by much. :)

Engine displacement and horsepower mean little if there is no torque to back it up. European manufacturers and Subaru are excellent at matching torquey transmissions to powerful, yet efficient engines.

RM, that's true, but you ust remember that there is a direct relationship between torque and horsepower. If an engine has 1200 of one, it must have some of the other. :)

Dylman, Honda makes good engines, but I don't think they come close to competing with BMW's quality.

I think it probably comes down to a coin toss between the two. I've driven both and Honda's are rev happy (10,000rpm in the S2000!) but yes, BMWs are just... quality (at least the 6 cylinders anyway).

Honda's Civic Type-R has a 1.6 litre engine but produces 197bhp.

[e]Actually it's a 2.0litre. My mistake. Hot car though! :)

The problem I've seen with most Japanese engines is that you need to be in the high RPMs to get any horsepower. That would tend to indicate that they have very little torque. In addition, it's hard to take off from the starting line with the engine already at 5000 rpm, so you can't tap into the torque or horsepower very early during takeoff.

Engine management systems and various other gubbins take care of putting the power down these days. It's all computers :( .

You say that like it's a bad thing. Computer management improves performance as well as efficiency. I'm all for that.

Not any more. Previous Honda VTEC engines were 'peaky', but in the Civic Type-R, the power is balanced through the rev range, still with a noticeable boost above 5500; The car's maximum torque is 196Nm.
Thus it always seems very responsive.

To quote http://www.hondacivictype-r.com: [edit]Made my post make sense[/e]

merlin, i was about to bite your head off for saying civic type r. over here, there is no civic type r. only integra type r. but the riceboys insist on putting type r stickers on civics, preludes, accords, whatever. but if they actually do sell a civic type r in Uk, cool.

i dont understand the guys who put stickers, spoilers, and rims on their car. if you spend some money on the engine, thats better. but too many kids ride around here in civics with a cherry-bomb exhaust to try and sound like they have something under the hood when its really the same engine that's in his mom's car.

if we didn't have automatic transmissions, cruise control, etc. there would be a lot less accidents. Plus driving a stick gives you more control.

Anyone know if I can tweak my 140 HP 2.9L Ford engine?

btw HP = torque * RPM / 5252

Bull. If we didn't have any of those things, then we just wouldn't have any of those things. A real driver training system would reduce accidents, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon.

intake, exhaust, racing chip for starters. maybe a turbo. what kind of car is this in?

New pistons, valves, engine headers . . . :)

Even has its own website (already posted the link). It replaces the outgoing Integra Type-R. I love Honda :D.

I know what you mean about the boy-racers as we call them and their crappy superficial car mods. The good folks at Ecosse know how to make a car look good, but they match it by putting some serious grunt in the engine bay, too.

So does AMG:
http://www.marquart-auktionen.de/clk-gtr-2.jpg

i dont even want to think of how much that benz costs.

my guess is too much, way too much:(

bilbo doing up cars is the same as lots of other things in different ways, some people like to look good in a car (i have a friend with a mini its one liter and a mower would go faster but people still look at his car because it looks really really good) other people have right nails that are rusty and falling apart but go like stink, they enjoy the thrill of the race and arnt bothered about the look of the car, most people tho prefer both,

doing up a car is sorta like upgrading your pc

PC's are built to do jobs, the first pcs could still perform the ones todays do it would just take them a million years there is no real need to upgrad you gfx card from a ge force 2 to a ge force 3 only you want to see things clearer and more realisticly again with the proccessor you dont need to upgrade it but you do anyway cause you want things to go faster and (for a day or two anyway) you cant bost you have the fastest one on the market.

people are just into different things.

Buy the new Volkswagen PenisCompensator 4.0l 32 valve beast today!

VTEC stands for Variable Timing Electronic Control this is how it works. If you have basic knowledge of a combustion engine then you'll understand this.

Here goes:
After a higher amount of revolutions (RPM) your intake and exhaust valves move so fast that they are almost open at the same time. This creates less pressure resulting in lower combustion and lower fuel efficiency.
VTEC (Variable Timing Electronic Control) continuously adjusts the timing making up for this slop in the valves. It does this by retarding or advancing the ignition (spark) timing for better combustion by allowing a valve to close more before firing.

BB, I live in a "car" family ... a family thats obessed with cars and engines and all that. I have never found a satisfactory anwser for WHY all of it matters.

I think making the analogy between Cars and PC upgrades somewhat good, but PC's do lack the "sex" appeal of cars... which I think is the true heart of the matter. You can't go to woman and say "I just a got dual athlon, uh, do you wanna do it?"

I'm not big on either big cars or big computers. The only thing worth spending the time upgrading is your mind.

SA stands for someone who assumes they know about a subject in greater detail than anyone else and proceeds to insert a lot of 'useful' information into the thread in an arrogant manner. :p :)

then fill me with your knowledge juice...

I just see cars as being something for getting about it. Not really to be done up. I am not so bothered about that, as the fact that when many men who get into these cars become very stupid at the wheel.

(btw my post earlier was incomplete as class finished and i had to log off)

agreed allot of people get stupid in cars road rage and racing and stuff i feel an idiot for trying now i think ill stick to doing up my stereo for the mo my car is completely standard as far as looks and engine go but i have a nice sound sytem cause i love my music alot

i dont want the boy racer tag thats why i dont wear a cap and dont do hand break turns or burnouts (and drive a VW) i see people doing them all the time they are just wreaking there car or tyres to me thats dum

i like to look at other peoples cars tho respect to those who have a genuinely nice car, i just dont like people who are cocky about it

like i said if someone beats me in a race id rather ask em why my ass got whiped so well than stick my fingers in the air


i drive fast but id defend myself by saying i slow down for corners im very aware as a driver i always go slow in bad conditions (i learnt that almost the hard way) i havent crashed and i done 5500 miles scince octeber the 11 thats about 250 odd miles a week and i dont race in the day anywhere or atnight on busy roads and no im pretty sure i wont be raceing again anyway i love my licence to much and what goods a car stereo if you cant drive anywhere to hear it

take heed dont race drive safe have a loud ass stereo :)

correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought that honda came out with a new system that adjusted timing and lifting recently.