[MrSinatra]

Originally Posted by ryerman

I think MrSinatra already knows this, but just to be clear, I'm not talking about "Cloud Sources", only about Local Media views.

yes, and that goes for me as well. my only beef here, is in how the cloud column/icons are presented/work in LM views.

Originally Posted by ryerman

So there is something to click, without using a right-click menu.

but that can be accomplished anyway, EXACTLY the same way as ratings are done!

notice the ratings column shows NOTHING until you hover, then you see stars.

it doesn't always HAVE to show a pointless up arrow. and then to show nothing when something IS on the cloud, what sense is there in that??

and lets be clear here: when you click the icon in the column, no ACTION happens, nothing is uploaded. all you get is a sub/context menu with two choices: local and cloud. local has a check mark next to it. presumably if u put the check on cloud, up it goes. and once up? you can't click the column at all, you get no menu, nothing to click, no indication other than blankness which is supposed to somehow mean "on the cloud."

but what is even the point of the orig sub menu anyway? why do that at all? its extra, unnecessary steps. it should be if u click the column, it goes up and you get a cloud icon. click it again, its deleted from the cloud, no cloud icon. simple, elegant, easy, intuitive. AND have it show a cloud when you hover, just like ratings.

the way it is now? silly, counter intuitive, cumbersome, inelegant.

Originally Posted by ryerman

But I agree that a better looking alternative is to use a right-click menu. Perhaps do away with the up-arrow and add "The Cloud" to the "Send to:" menu. If it was done that way, I would support non-functional icons in the "Cloud" column for files in the cloud, and no icon otherwise.

you could do both. keep the right click menus for those who like them, I don't begrudge anyone that. but for winamps LM views, make the icons show ONLY if you hover, OR if it is CURRENTLY UPLOADED to the cloud.

I just can't even really believe I have to argue this. (not with you ryerman, I highly respect your opinion, but just in general I mean)

Originally Posted by ryerman

But if the functional icon is retained, I stand by my original opinion.
It has been said that the up-arrow currently indicates a negative, namely "something NOT in the cloud". That is true.
But it could also mean something positive, namely "here is an opportunity to upload this file". That is true also.

what else in winamp is done like that? ratings aren't. you could put "ABCDEFG" in every metadata field that was otherwise blank, to invite the user to fill it, but what sense is there in that?

the cloud column itself indicates the opportunity, esp if it works the way I described above, meaning the way ratings do now.

hell, leave the arrow on by default, fine, BUT give users who aren't braindead the chance to change the behavior as I have described by pref. that's all I am asking for.

Originally Posted by ryerman

btw, I hope multiple files can be sent to the cloud.
It could be very tedious if only one file is processed at a time.

I think you can say "send this batch" but it then only sends them one at a time, but within that batch. i'm still bug hunting it and have had some problems so idk for sure yet.

again, I am NOT trying to insult/piss anyone off, etc... I am trying to help winamp devs. I make my case vigorously, but hopefully not disrespectfully. i'm not known for a light touch, so if I anger anyone, I apologize. and ryerman, again I highly respect your opinion.