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Originally Posted by ryerman
Maybe I'm missing something.
In my Local Media views, ratings can be set only via the right-click menu. Yes, the stars are exposed when hovering, but clicking on them does nothing. Is there some preference or option to allow changing ratings by clicking an icon? I don't see the point of exposing the stars.
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in my winamp, and in a new virgin winamp, you do NOT need to right click to rate something. if u hover, then click it directly, it works just fine. (you can see what you are clicking ONLY when you hover over it). I have no idea why yours is different?
in a virgin setup, this will rate the file in the DB only, but u can save the rating to file via pref. either way, direct click is possible and works.
go to prefs > ML > Appearance > Rating column and you will see a bunch of choices there, although I find them somewhat opaque. I also don't see how u got yours "turned off?" perhaps its your skin? I use bento.
also, notice the top center pane. its unlike the ratings column, where it has small little subdued dots for stars. while I find the ML ratings column implementation (of no dots) superior
for the purposes of the ML, even the subdued dots or something like that (as in the center pane, where I do find them appropriate) would be an improvement over these large, intrusive, cluttering, up-arrows.
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Originally Posted by ryerman
However, I like the idea of constantly displaying informational-only icons but hiding functional icons until hovered. It seems equivalent but smoother than right-clicking for a context menu.
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not sure I follow what you mean here? first, have you tried the 5.7b? have u seen these up arrows? they are awful, imo.
they aren't really informational imo, b/c its not intuitive as to what they mean. they aren't really functional either, b/c all that happens when you click one is it brings up a pointless sub menu, a step which is unnecessary and should be skipped.
if a file has no cloud connotations, surely the column should be blank? hover over it, and get functional icons to upload the file. once uploaded, show an icon, and click it to remove from the cloud. surely that's how it should work in the local library view?
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Originally Posted by ryerman
There seems to be some question as to whether or not multiple files will be processed from the Library.
In post #43, DrO reports:
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I need to do some experiments on the new beta. I will eventually.
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Originally Posted by ryerman
Here is another proposal, inspired by MrSinatra. (MrSinatra, I'm not implying you agree with this, but that your creative thinking helped clarify my thoughts.)
If processing multiple files is not supported:
1. Functional icons are hidden. Hovering over the Cloud column would expose all hidden, pertinent, functional icons available to perform some action. Tooltips to identify their function would be good. Don't display any particular icon if it can't or shouldn't be used. (eg. Don't display an icon for removing a file from the cloud if the file is not in the cloud.).
2. Only icons that convey information about the files relationship to the cloud or other devices are visible. They are non-functional.
3 A file without an icon means it exists only in the Library, without connection to the cloud or any device. (I might change my thinking about that if I ever decipher what DrO is saying in post #28. I don't understand all the terminology.)
4. An up-arrow is suitable as a functional, but hidden icon for files available for uploading.
5. Don't bother exposing non-functional icons by hovering. (Any relevant icons are already visible.)
6. Don't use a context menu.
If processing multiple files is supported:
Keep the functionality as described above for single files but add a context menu for processing multiple files.
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i don't really follow you.
i don't understand why it matters if u can process multiple files or not?
with ratings, you can context menu one file, or multiple files. u can only direct click one file at a time though, even if multiple files are selected, (i think, my winamp is crashing so i can't test for sure). the exception is direct clicking an album outside the tracks pane, that then rates all the tracks.
other than that though, i think we agree on how the column should operate, again, in the LOCAL LIBRARY. when you are in there, you only need two functions, upload and remove. but you could have any amount of informational icons, as you said, they'd be visible, just not functional, UNLESS they were the upload one, or the remove one, if remove was feasible / applicable to that file.
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Originally Posted by ryerman
I get the feeling that there is some sort of managerial "prime directive" to make the cloud implementation consistent for all Winamp devices. As well, there are hints that the Cloud column in any view will eventually be used to indicate a file's relationship to all devices, not just the cloud. So I won't be surprised if my suggestions are unuseable because of some restriction caused by those plans.
btw I wonder what happens when the Library is cleared. Is all the Cloud column information lost the same way playcounts are?
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it makes sense to provide a consistent exp, but only up until the point where it doesn't, if you follow me. what might make sense on a phone might not in a given view on a desktop app.
however, i see no reason why some sort of sensible solution can't be found. the devs just have to be willing to listen to their users, and consider the arguments.
if you clear your local ML, your files would still be at the cloud. the cloud services on winamp the desktop app, seem to run their own mirror db of your local db.