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Old 14th December 2011, 08:06   #15
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Originally Posted by Aminifu View Post
Hi,

BP has more experience with this kind of stuff than me. If there is a way to prevent this going forward, he may know.
Hammers. That is the answer. Place a hammer within view of your webcam and then your PC will learn who is boss.

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Originally Posted by Aminifu View Post
The MrSinatra account is AN administrator, but not "The Administrator", so there are still some restrictions on the account (much less than those on a user account) with UAC turned on. Maybe even with UAC turned off. The true administrator account (with no restrictions) is hidden by default. This is another Windows security change not widely known.
Even though you are on a single user PC, you need to remember that these settings come from the land of Big Companies and Servers and Controlling the Lusers on the Network. So you have "groups" and "users". You stick the "users" into a "group" to be able to more quickly set their rights to a file or folder. Aminifu is right to point out that "MrSinatra" is a member of the "administrator" group. But this does not mean he has magic rights over every file on the PC. These rights have always been around since before the days of XP, just XP was a promiscous tart that allowed almost anything to happen. Blame Windows 95\Windows 98. When the NT code became XP it had to keep much of the lax security of Win9x to avoid breaking badly written programs. Now, 10 years later, security is tightened up to enforce the rules that have always been there. Too long we have put up with crap programmers who cannot be bothered to read the manuals, which has then led to a mess of settings, dll hell, registry mess, etc. (To be fair, programmers are always under pressure to get the job done and have to take short cuts. We are rarely given time to stop and read the manuals.)

UAC came in to mainly annoy the developers. It was there to made badly written programs look bad and be annoying. Example: progams should not be writing to the HKLM branch in the registry - there is a PER USER section called HKCU that you put your settings in. Ditto \Progam Files\ this is for the APPLICATION files, not user data files. You may be the only user of your PC, but the problem is the underlying system is based on a server with multiple users. And now these rules are enforced, applications like Winamp soon cleaned up their act and put the right stuff in the right place. (Winamp was an especially good example as it started life back in the DOS and FAT based days of Win9x. Now with a few tweaks it is fully compliant to the security rules. User settings in the C:\Users\ folders and the only time you see a UAC prompt is when you are changing the system-wide file associations)

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Originally Posted by Aminifu View Post
BP is suggesting attacking the problem from the folder level. I suggested 'fixing' the files in the "rip project" folder, since you said they are the only ones affected.
Fixing the folders is quicker. And the sooner you get your head around that folder permissions box you will be soon laughing. And folder or file permissions are basically the same. Just hitting the folder and letting it propagate saves time. Command lines are cool as well - but this is Windows and GUI land. The command line is you "get out of jail" card when something is really FUBAR. Or you are working from a script.

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Whichever way you decide to go, you will learn various ways to make mass changes. That is some comfort if this can't be prevented going forward. I agree this is a 'pain' for those who just want to use their computers to do what appears to be simple, logical, common sense type stuff.
Learn it all for it is all good. Just take it slow, step by step. Play around with a few sub folders first. Be happy with those dialog boxes. Then be brave and hit the higher levels. And notice - I have not even mentioned the Network Shares yet as that is a different land of mysteries. Get your head around giving yourself rights first and then we will come back to the other lusers you mentioned in an earlier post.
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